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You're just as likely to be a sexist asshole as anyone else.Now, there are a lot of pro-choice feminists, but there are a lot of pro-life feminists too.
Honestly I think that "I'm pro-choice, so I'm pro-women" idea is piss-poor lip service to feminism and it just gets in the way of real problems that women face. And I find that disgusting.
Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not saying that pro-choicers can't be feminists. One of my best friends is a pro-choice feminist. I'm just saying that that alone doesn't make you a feminist.
I don't know why I do this.
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This stamp is five years old and I got all the attention I wanted then. Also I'm pro-choice now and I made this stamp in response to a guy who made a stamp saying that pro-lifers were anti-women. He was later arrested for beating his girlfriend. I shit you not.Β
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I'm a pro-life anti-feminist, but I am not pro-life simply BECAUSE I'm anti-feminist. To me, the issue of abortion and feminism are two separate issues.
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True.Β Both sides have their reasons for feeling the way they do.
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It's ok to be pro-choice. Just don't be an asshole about it.
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I guess it is possible for a feminist to be pro-life at some level.
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I'm pro-choice, but I don't consider myself a feminist, MRA, Egalitarian, or anything like that. I do support equal rights for everyone though, I just don't like labels.Β
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i dont even know why people compare feminism to pro/anti-choice
feminism is believing men are equal to women
pro-choice is believing that it depends on the woman's opinion whether to abort or not
theyre completely different things
im both feminist and pro-choice but im not feminist because im pro-choice
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I've seen people who support abortion ans yet think women are less intelligent than men or should not have as many rights.
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True, but being pro-life makes you anti-feminist.
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That's a ridiculous statement, feminism means you believe women are equal to men. Biological men can't get pregnant (and if they could, I'd oppose them aborting just as much as women), therefor abortion has nothing to do with women's rights.
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I'm anti-feminist and pro-choice. What's your response for that?
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Nothing? I agree, they're perfectly combinable positions. You are however an idiot.
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Oh hush. Β
When a guy tells a girl what is or isn't feminist that makes me uncomfortable.
There is more to me than my vagina, sweetie.
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Yes, because the exclusive rights over your reproductive organs isn't a fundamental feminist idea.
I know what feminism is better than most people and I will point out patriarchal ideas whoever is perpetuating them.
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I'm a pro-life feminist, if men were the ones that got pregnant I'd oppose them aborting just as much as women.
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You do realize that pro-lifers and pro-choicers are fighting for entirely different things, right? I'm sure no sane pro-lifer feels that way just to discriminate against women. Β Hell, the sane ones don't even want it illegal anyway because it's a really sucky idea.
You don't want a baby? Β Use a fuckdamn condom, it's not exactly a foreign concept. Β Preventing a pregnancy isn't that hard.
*Clock falls over. Β She can't get up. Β Her sides hurt.*
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Sure, I agree; people ought to be responsible. Fact remains, however, that some people aren't, and I don't think society should punish them by making them have children that they never wanted and/or can't take care of. Foetuses aren't people. They don't have rights. Also, is terminating a pregnancy not better than bringing an unwanted child into this world? A world that'll probably already be shit to begin with, even if your parents do care for you.
Furthermore, obviously pro-life "feminists" aren't conscientiously holding anti-feminist ideas; they just happen to be holding onto patriarchal opinions because of the society, culture, and traditions that they grew up in and with.
I'd like to counter something you said earlier as well. Namely your objection to me, a male, telling you, a female, what feminism entails. Feminism isn't just a women's issue. Sure, its primary focus is the emancipation of women, but patriarchy has detrimental effects on many males as well. Gender norms hurt everyone. It is not just your battle. As a male bisexual brony, the elimination of gender roles and norms is not just an issue of solidarity with females, but also an issue of personal importance. Even if feminism was indeed just a women's issue, I could still know more about it than you, as I've actually read some feminist theory.
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Fetuses are people, and abortion should be a crime. Not being able/prepared to take care of a child is a ridiculous reason to abort, adoption centers exist.
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Then we educate those fucktards. Β That's our biggest problem. Β And what is up with that last sentence?
It's a personal thing for a lot I know. Β None of this patriarchy crap.
Seeing as how most male "feminists" care only about abortion, I have a reason to be suspicious.
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There is going to be unwanted pregnancies. You literally CANNOT prevent that.
What exactly do you mean when you say "None of this patriarchy crap."?
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And women with unwanted pregnancies should carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption if they don't want or can't afford it.
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Of course.
I don't think it's because of the patriarchy. Β Frankly, I don't give a crap if someone is for or against it.
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Wait, hold on. Could you explain your views on patriarchy?
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I don't think it's as bad in the United States as it is elsewhere, such as in third world countries. Β Never really given this a lot of thought. Β I'm willing to discuss it, though.
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The elimination of patriarchy is pretty much the central goal of feminism..
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Patriarchy has nothing to do with being against abortion, plenty of women are pro-life.
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Huh. Β Oh. Β I always thought of it as men and women getting equal rights, not in terms of a patriarchy.
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How can you possibly have a gender egalitarian society without eliminating gender roles and norms?
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That's what I've been doing and what I believe in.
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Gender roles and norms are what constitutes patriarchy.
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I get very, very skeptical of someone telling me they're a pro-life feminist.
I would kind of need to immediately hear a few other positions to back that claim up or I'm going to run on the assumption they don't know what feminism is.
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Feminism means supporting women having equal rights to men. Biological men can't get pregnant (and if they could, I'd oppose them aborting just as much as women), therefor abortion has nothing to do with equal rights and it's entirely possible to be a pro-life feminist.
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Fair enough.
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I suppose that's true. I don't like feminists that much these days though. They seem less sincere and more political radicalist than the suffragettes of old.
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Meanwhile, the misogynists are just as reactionary and disgusting as ever...
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What misogynists?
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Are you going to pretend they don't exist?
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No. Misogynists do exist, but compared to the feminist movement today, I personally doubt there are that many of them left, saver in places like the middle east.
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Ok. Now explain how he's a misogynist.
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Really. I really gotta explain this shit. This is not some unknown thing.Β
Seeing as Media Matters exists to answer these kinds of questions, I'll defer to their evidence: Here's the link .Β
Oh gosh, I'm quote mining! How dreadful, using things someone's said as evidence towards what they think! That's not fair Penny, shame on you for using evidence.Β
All snarking aside, Rush Limbaugh is a misogynist. Pretty...clear-cut example, actually.Β
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Try actually watching the videos to get a feeling of what Limbaugh is actually talking about. He criticizes liberal women like Hilary Clinton, Michelle Obama, and Nancy Palosi, just like he criticizes liberal men like Barack Obama and Harry Reid. A sexist, if anything would be one who wouldn't criticize said women because they're women. If calling those politicians obnoxious names and curses makes you a misogynist then so too are liberals who call Sarah Palin a fascist. He's insulting the women, calling them names, criticizing their policies, and in Michelle's case, cracking a joke about weight. So what? People in politics insult each other like this all the time. Politics is a breeding ground for turning intellectuals into close-minded children, and criticizing modern feminism as a place for women to attack the world they feel has been unkind to them is simply a criticism of feminism. No wonder people call the MRA misogynist. You say anything bad about the feminist movement and they label YOU a misogynist.
Some of the things he says in some of the videos though are pretty controversial, like: "Accidentally Attacking A (Male) Journalist As A "Stupid Babe."Β In Limbaugh's world, the media are underconstant threat Β of "chickification" and women journalists are not news professionals, but rather "info babes ." Limbaugh's ardor for sexist attacks on female reporters has backfired on him, however, like when he (wrongly) assumed that reporter Sasha Abramsky was a woman andΒ attacked Β the decidedly un-female journalist for hisanalysis of Obama's political style , saying: "This is what this stupid babe at Salon believes. This is what she wants! Sorry, 'stupid.' Take it back. Ignorant, hopeful, uninformed -- this is what she thinks! This is what she wants!"
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I'm not trying toΒ exaggerate; Rush Limbaugh is a misogynist.
Calling Sarah Palin a fascist isn't sexist, calling her an airheaded bimbo would be. Do you see the difference?
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Have you ever taken the time to actually listen to Limbaugh on the radio, outside of liberal propaganda, propaganda that, like all propaganda, probably exaggerated much of this or put it out of context? I watched most of the videos and only one or two of them came off to me as considerably sexist or at least blatantly obnoxious
Depends on what context you say it in. So then how are some of the stupid comments Limbaugh made about Michelle about her weight sexist? Let me ask you this, do you think Bill Clinton is a misogynist?
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Bill Clinton? Yeah. Why would I not? Misogyny's misogyny.
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Did you know that the feminist movement was virtually silent about what old Bill did
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Your point doesn't deflect any misogyny off of Limbaugh, though.
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