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Description Behold, a page from the second volume of EMPOWERED, my “sexy superhero comedy” published by Dark Horse comics.* Behold, in particular, a page from the story “The Aryan Ideal of Shoulder Candy” [link] ...a story which, alas, has garnered some highly problematic misinterpretation from at least one outraged reader. Read on, and I shall attempt to clarify and explain the matter at hand.

As is made clearer in later volumes, the characters within the “Empverse” depicted in EMPOWERED operate by a set of so-called “Unwritten Rules” governing superhuman-related behavior and interactions. These rules are, alas, occasionally fudged and sometimes broken entirely ...with the literally burning example of this being the uber-horny supervillain “Willy Pete”.

In particular, one story in vol. 2, “The Aryan Ideal of Shoulder Candy,” features a female character who gets rather, ah, excessively forward with Emp, to the point that I actually considered cutting the story entirely. However, I wound up leaving the story in the volume anyway (though with a few cuts), as that character later winds up as the improbable, kinda-sorta superheroine “Ocelotina” in EMPOWERED vol. 3... and, furthermore, the story in question features the volume’s primary appearance by Emp’s nemesis Sistah Spooky (whose motives in said story may well be misunderstood, but I’ll worry about that later).

At one point in “Shoulder Candy”, the future Ocelotina fondles a naked Emp, a move which is meant to be wrong and inappropriate within the context of the story itself, and is, in fact, a clear violation of the Empverse’s “Unwritten Rules”. As you will see in future Ocelotina appearances, however, this self-absorbed, highly overconfident young woman does not believe that ANY rules apply to her. Unlike most of the other characters in EMPOWERED, she is wholly unburdened by insecurities or self-doubt... nor by many (or, indeed, ANY) thoughts regarding the consequences of her actions. You’ll note that she strictly forbids her brother from making any “bad touches” to Emp... but she herself, of course, considers herself to be allowed to do whatever the hell she wants.

Now, we come to most the problematic part of this story... In three panels of “Shoulder Candy,” on pages 67, 68 and 69 of EMPOWERED vol. 2, the future Ocelotina is most definitely touching Emp in a wrong and inappropriate manner. Let me state for the record, however, that she is NOT, repeat NOT digitally penetrating Emp in those panels, as several readers have unfortunately misinterpreted to be the case. She’s still certainly committing a “bad touch”, to be sure, but not THAT bad of a touch. (Also for the record: ANY touch made to a naked superhero or superheroine is considered a “bad touch” under the “Unwritten Rules,” which will be addressed in greater detail in the future.)

I wasn’t particularly comfortable with leaving those three panels in the book, to be honest, as it occurred to me that they were ambiguous enough to possibly be misinterpreted in this manner. I just didn’t have the energy to completely redraw them at the time I was handing in the book’s artwork, after relettering and correcting roughly 200 pages over the space of a week or so. (Yeah, yeah, boo hoo, I know.) In any event, in the second printing of EMPOWERED vol. 2, I’m going to redraw those three panels (and move ’Tina’s hand WAY the hell away from Emp’s “danger zone” ) to make it absolutely fricking clear to all readers that Emp is not, repeat NOT being fingered, okay?

Furthermore, later on, I may establish that Sistah Spooky wiped Emp’s memories of the whole incident... The idea being that Spooky doesn’t want to leave Emp any recollection that bad guys might’ve theoretically found her more attractive (or that a sleepy Emp might recall some fragment of Spooky’s subsequent berating of said bad guys). Still not sure if I want to go that route, as I might want Emp to recall that she's met Ocelotina before when the latter chica reappears (as an alleged superheroine) in vol. 3...

Actually, the Spooky appearance in this story was one scene that I was almost SURE would be misinterpreted: Spooky does NOT, in fact, want to wind up as any villain’s “shoulder candy”. She DOES, however, wish to be taken into consideration for such a role, so as to assuage her highly unstable vanity. Yep, so extreme is her own degree of insecurity that she chooses to interpret the worst part of Emp’s superheroic career (our heroine’s frequent bouts of distress and/or peril) as somehow being a slight to herself.

In truth, this damn story’s given me quite a few hassles, over the last year or so. The original version ended completely differently... and in a manner that I personally found wrong and inappropriate, to boot, which is why I spiked said original ending! I often grow tired of working on the longer stories in EMPOWERED, and that definitely happened here... Around page thirteen in the original version, I just said “screw it,” and decided to end the story as abruptly as possible. Specifically, I jumped directly from the scene of (the future) Ocelotina fondling Emp in an automobile’s trunk to a scene of THUGBOY fondling Emp in bed, as she suddenly wakes up from the dream sequence that took up the previous thirteen pages! Yep, the rest of the story was naught but a dream... (Groan. Yep, I was gonna go THERE once again.) Actually, I might post that unused page of Thugboy and Emp in bed sometime, as it’s reasonably hawt... and would’ve provided a welcome bit of “the sexy” to a book that featured quite a bit less in the way of carnal shenanigans than the previous volume.

However, I got rid of that ending entirely, and tacked on the much longer Sistah Spooky section of the story instead. Why did I do that? In part, because I needed a Spooky appearance, and also because I already had another dream sequence, the Thugboy nightmare dealie, planned for later in the volume... (and Lord knows, I’ve spent most of my career running the “dream sequence” concept into the ground.) The main reason, though, was that I thought the original ending might well be misinterpreted as Emp, in effect, fantasizing about getting tied up! That, boys and girls, would be SERIOUSLY wrong and inappropriate, as Emp doesn’t particularly appreciate her frequent forays into peril. No, really, she doesn’t.

So, I changed the ending, and promptly managed to stumble into a completely different and considerably thornier thicket of reader misinterpretation. Just grrrrrrreat!



*You can pick up EMPOWERED vol. 2 at your local comics retailer or bookstore; if it's not in stock, they'd no doubt be happy to order it (if only you ask) , so as to garner your caysh, yo. Heck, even my local Barnes & Noble briefly stocked EMPOWERED vol. 1, albeit in the jumbled hellscape of the regular comics section, as opposed to the orderly paradise of the manga section... or you can order EMP 2 from DH online at:

[link]

...or from Amazon. com at:

[link]
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Comments: 136

xXDrawingAddictXx [2017-04-15 00:38:19 +0000 UTC]

Love this character

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Bestevaer [2013-04-28 21:05:29 +0000 UTC]

I don't know whether I should be saddened or amazed by the fact that Americans beat the Japanese at fanservice.

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patpowers [2011-10-02 18:26:40 +0000 UTC]

Lurvin' the Empowered goodness, says this owner of volumes 1-5!

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Snapdragonparadise [2010-07-07 05:10:36 +0000 UTC]

Just suck it in, Sistah. Empy looks good in her distress.

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Miician [2010-01-11 20:13:19 +0000 UTC]

Lovely

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JadedSage [2009-07-28 04:27:08 +0000 UTC]

Dang straight, stinkin' pasty skinny blondes! No, don't take us brunette's, can't handle it when we're smarter then you!

-snickers-

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XLRP [2008-07-13 19:19:26 +0000 UTC]

I personaly like the volume 2 the way it is, and you better not give into some super pretendo reader.(considering I didn't think anything of that part until reading what you have just said.) Remember your comics come in a plastic wraping with proper marking letting people know what they are in for. As fas things go you could Keep on doing what you do. Being you is what got you where you are.

The only thing that particular story did, was make me wonder how would anyone go about even trying to kidnapped Sistah Spooky. For starters her powers work. She has no known flaws in her power that can be exploited. The Caged Demonwolf proved that she can be overpowered and knocked out. Unless your going to have someone find a way to hack into the containment belt to use Demonwolf's power only. Then it could happen. Or someone catches her all the way off guard and pulls it off.

Any way enough rambling keep on doing what you do. And I don't care what any one say your doing good.

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KeresaLea [2007-11-18 21:27:47 +0000 UTC]

Blondes get kidnapped because they're not smart enough to evade the capture.

She ought to be happy.

Told you that dye was going to your brain. *giggle*

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Nico6688 [2007-11-13 21:30:45 +0000 UTC]

"Shoulder Candy". You really do have some serious shading skills.

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TatsujinEdge [2007-11-12 07:15:44 +0000 UTC]

Wow that was some cool insight, I just finished emp vol.2 i have to say some of the longer stories were interesting and of course the whole book had me laughing my ass off. Awesome man can't wait for vol.3

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phoenvix [2007-11-10 20:18:44 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you posted this Adam, though I have to say those three panels made me uncomfortable in one way as I thought it was another "its ok if a WOMAN fondling the poor tied up gal " which ties into the whole usual lesbians=hot category no matter HOW uncomfortable poor lil' Emp was about the situation. Glad to see its not that, but an actual part of the character's personality. I'll certainly be watching out for her. Bad touching aside, she looks like she'll be a lot of fun.

And btw, I didn't interpret it as that either. Mainly because if I'm not mistaken, Emp's legs were tied TOGETHER weren't they?

Carrie

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TheBrave [2007-11-10 10:42:24 +0000 UTC]

Soon Empowered will be released in Italy^^

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paigey [2007-11-09 21:08:28 +0000 UTC]

Blah, I think when I read that part I chuckled and did a 'Oh my!' but that's dumb that people are getting all up-in-arms about it.

BTW- I am SO IN LOVE Empowered as a whole. And it's truly awesome to have both your awesome writing AND artwork together again in a book. And in typical Adam Warren fashion, you suck me in with quick, light-hearted fare and obscure subculture references and then start sneaking in this pivotal character development and making me actually *care* about these people. Damn you! I mean anyone who could make me give a crap about Gen13, which was one of the most vapid comics EVER before you came along, and then to actually make me CRY at the end of your run about characters I had otherwise regarded as shallow 90's-boom throwback fluff, is just writer-wise, the friggin' shit. So, yeah. Yay you!

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Catgoyle [2007-11-09 19:53:14 +0000 UTC]

Hm.

1) It is labeled with a warning stating there is Adult Content.

2) While I'd noticed that no one =was= touching her (other than to throw her over a shoulder) when she was naked, I'd missed that it was a rule. Shouldn't have missed that; I mean, if it was allowed, certainly they would have taped that, and Emp's YouTube screen time would have shot through the roof... again!

3) Yes, she was obviously "bad touching" Emp, but for some reason I never thought it was going past exterior "bad touching."

4) I'm very glad you scrapped the "another dream" ending for "Shoulder Candy," considering Thugboy's nightmare later on. Having this continue to underline Spookie's insecurity fits very well from the reader's standpoint. And I can totally see her wiping Emp's memory of the event to keep her from having any clue as to Spookie's obsession with how she thinks others might find Emp's "blond goddess" looks to be more desirable than her own good looks.

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gerzel [2007-11-09 18:42:13 +0000 UTC]

Why? WHY!!!?

I have that book and wanted you to just go with the fondling and not have Spooky interrupt things.

Still the shoulder candy joke was pretty funny, but...

WHHHYYY!!!!!!???!!!???!!!

Kaaaaaaaahn!

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NCWeber [2007-11-09 14:39:46 +0000 UTC]

You know, I didn't even notice if there was inappropriate touching. I guess I was too busy actually reading the thing.

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jeremy-thebeast1 [2007-11-09 00:59:49 +0000 UTC]

cool

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CassandraJames [2007-11-09 00:11:18 +0000 UTC]

To be honest, I can't believe that people are commenting here being upset that someone did interpret the story that way.
People, of Aadam himself was uncomfortable with the pages, OF COURSE SOME OF THE AUDIENCE IS GOING TO BE. >:/
Seriously.
Reading those pages myself I didn't feel too strongly one way or the other, but the fact that you did leave it so ambigious I think was the problem. You could have just as easily had the same joke there, and not have her hand ebscured in Emp's crotch.

I don't think that people need to 'grow up' on the issue, I think it a totally valid, and mature argument.
I think some of the commenters here to grow-up, and have a little more understanding towards the pojts of view of others.

(Btw, love Empowered, just can't get over the gall of some people.)

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RasmusLykke [2007-11-08 22:12:59 +0000 UTC]

Just wanted to say that I recently read Emp. vol. 1 and really liked it. Probably the comic I've enjoyed reading most in the past year or so. I had a hard time putting it down, not because the story was so exciting, but simply because I wanted to stay with the characters. Something I think have only happened once before, with Chabon's Adventures of Kavalier and Clay.

A really good book, and I'm picking up vol. 2 soon!

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TriforceWarrior [2007-11-08 22:05:45 +0000 UTC]

well that sure sucks that people misinterprited it that way, I just thought it was a funny little add-in, I think people need to grow up just a tad dont you?

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CassandraJames In reply to TriforceWarrior [2007-11-09 00:12:05 +0000 UTC]

How is having an issue with insinuated rape not being grown-up?

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TriforceWarrior In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-09 00:28:28 +0000 UTC]

because it wasnt going to happen, Does Adam seem like the type to actually have a scene of rape? I think not. It was a play on the overall joke of it all which people took to seriously

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missveryvery In reply to TriforceWarrior [2007-11-09 04:57:15 +0000 UTC]

uh. read dirty pair, yuri was raped in it.

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TriforceWarrior In reply to missveryvery [2007-11-10 09:28:50 +0000 UTC]

that sucks, and Im sorry to hear that, but Im pretty sure they didnt crack any jokes about it afterwards did they?

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missveryvery In reply to TriforceWarrior [2007-11-10 19:52:28 +0000 UTC]

no, that's why i wasn't freaked out until now :/

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TriforceWarrior In reply to missveryvery [2007-11-11 06:58:20 +0000 UTC]

Well I could see where you're coming from there, in that you've previously known him to not joke about the topic to moving into joking about the topic I can understand your feelings on the matter. But in general, nothing did happen, and quite obviously this wasnt the direction that segment or any of the comic was going. The hand that was placed where it was, was really just a motif, a last play on the running joke of that segment and nothing more.

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CassandraJames In reply to TriforceWarrior [2007-11-09 00:36:30 +0000 UTC]

That may be the case, but Adam admits himself that the panels were very ambigious. Also, why would every reader know Adam's personality?
But that still has nothing to do with people 'needing to grow-up' about it.

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TriforceWarrior In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-09 02:21:03 +0000 UTC]

well Ill give you that the readers may not know Adams personality, and yes they were a little borderline appro, but I think people should take it for what it was. A joke. They need to "grow up" by not taking things so seriously and getting all butt hurt about them.

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CassandraJames In reply to TriforceWarrior [2007-11-09 03:24:46 +0000 UTC]

I'd hardly call insinuated rape a mere playful joke. It is a serious issue to many people, and I don't think that it's fair to say that people are being 'butt-hurt' to get angry at people taking such a horrendous crime to lightly.
Sure Adam said that it was only insinuated, and didn't actually happen; but at the same time people are over-reacting to opposition people have had against it, without even seeing what was said in the first place. Also, this would be a totally different issue if instead of two women it was a men and a women, or two men, etc.

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TriforceWarrior In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-09 03:37:57 +0000 UTC]

Ok yes I understand that rape is quite a serious and BAD thing, and I would not wish it on anyone, I also dont think Im taking it to lightly, Im just saying if the joke doesnt appeal to you then ignore it and move on, its not like this was a continuous theme in the comic and I think people should just let the thing go. As to whether or not it would change if it was a man and a woman or a man and a man, yes it would change a little in peoples minds, but the joke would have still been the same, and yes if you dont like it, ignore it.

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missveryvery In reply to TriforceWarrior [2007-11-09 04:58:47 +0000 UTC]

actually the threat of sexual assault is an ever present theme in the comic, and willy pete DID sexually assault his victims, something which still haunts thugboy.

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TriforceWarrior In reply to missveryvery [2007-11-10 09:26:52 +0000 UTC]

true, but I still find the jokes about that funny

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sinnerman07 [2007-11-08 21:12:20 +0000 UTC]

I had a whole diatribe ready, but feel too exasperated to do anything more than say...

Don't listen to the 1 person who says no (ooh it's bad, digital rape)! Listen to the many who say yes (leave it as is there's nothing there like that)!


--

"Never underestimate the potential for human stupidity"

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TereseAntonsen [2007-11-08 18:18:02 +0000 UTC]

very good shading and angles !

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sindaran-ainu [2007-11-08 16:13:50 +0000 UTC]

Huh... Some people do love jumping the gun. I think I've seen the complaint you mentioned from an "Outraged Reader", if it was done publicly and on DeviantArt.
I can understand this person's Point of View, but it also makes me think that one must not sacrifice artistic integrity for the sake of political correctness.

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soloio [2007-11-08 15:31:40 +0000 UTC]

increible, quisiera conseguir eso aca, pero es imposible!

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rsj [2007-11-08 15:28:02 +0000 UTC]

Does it bother you that oftentimes when you go to such great lengths to explain your work in the description field of the DA submit form, your adoring fans sometimes neglect to read it and instead tell you how "hawt" those "chicks" are? :3

Speaking as yet another adoring fan and humble student of the craft, I have to say that I don't envy you in this situation. After finally getting a hold of vol.2 and pouring over it all night in one go, only to find such scathing criticism regarding this chapter was really frustrating. To think that nearly 5 or so panels of drawing would be enough in the mind of one of your other "fans" to undo the work you put into 450+ pages! (Not even including Volume 3)

It's really frightening to see just how unforgiving your "fans" can be.

Granted, any "bad touch" comic is a mine field...

...
To that end, in regard to the "'Unwritten Rules' which will be addressed in greater detail in the future"... are we to assume that this was Empowered's...

...first time? >.>

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Ocelit [2007-11-08 15:17:33 +0000 UTC]

Well Adam your fans have spoken, and i think the verdict is simple. We all support your creative work.

i think all your intents with "shoulder candy" were right on the mark. It was i think rather obvious all your intended interpretations and regardless of where hands traveled it was clearly displayed as a bad thing.

I for one enjoy a fairly empressive story arc/style and am glad i have a first printing of emp2. stupid ppl need to stop breeding as much.

Take care, and keep illustrating it how you wanna see it.

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kallitechnis [2007-11-08 15:06:00 +0000 UTC]

I understand why you said here, though looking only at the pictures what annoys me the most is how even when emp is supposed to be totally naked, you still kept her feet covered in the suit!! Do you not like feet or something?

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Ocelit In reply to kallitechnis [2007-11-08 15:18:51 +0000 UTC]

does any artist like feet? XP

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bar1scorpio In reply to Ocelit [2007-11-08 17:58:14 +0000 UTC]

... oddly enough, you even draw lil' piggies on a girl sometimes, and people think you have a fetish... That's how rarely people detail the foot...

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Ocelit In reply to bar1scorpio [2007-11-08 18:09:39 +0000 UTC]

ya, i understand there just really awkward to draw.. in emp's case i think if they were to actually remove her suit from her feet it would have to be a fetish cause thats alot of work when realistically they probably arent really interest in them. or ocd...

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nunchaku [2007-11-08 13:31:07 +0000 UTC]

I think you give too much heed to people that have too much free time on their hands and they unfortunately use to enforce their opinion on others. Empowered is great, cant wait to get the second.

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CassandraJames In reply to nunchaku [2007-11-09 00:13:55 +0000 UTC]

If someone wants to buy Adam's comic to enjoy I think they have every right to go to him with any issues that may have about his comic.

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clubstripes In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-10 03:25:17 +0000 UTC]

If someone wants to buy Adam's comic to enjoy, and they don't enjoy it, they have every right to return the book to wherever they bought it from.

That's it.

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CassandraJames In reply to clubstripes [2007-11-11 01:54:27 +0000 UTC]

That's cool as well, but I don't think that writing to Adam and telling him what they thought about his work was really such a terrible thing to do.

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clubstripes In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-14 08:10:27 +0000 UTC]

It's one thing to express dissatisfaction or unhappiness, and another to strongly imply that it needs to be changed or removed because it's offensive and would be harmful or illegal in real life.

It's a work of fiction. A yet-unfinished work, at that. And frankly, there was plenty of terribly damaging, degrading stuff happening in Book 1, depending on your POV. I just don't see how someone could honestly get through the first book, let alone enjoy it, and yet have such an immense objection to something that happened in the span of maybe ten seconds and hasn't yet been covered in the following book because he's not done with that particular story arc.

Expecting that everything possibly traumatic in Empowered's universe is going to be dealt with or explored is like expecting each book to be "a very special episode of Blossom." Not everything that ever happens to a person gets dealt with, or even comes up as an issue. I'm perfectly happy to wait and see how the creator will write his books...not throw an angry fit when it appears that he has no plans to evolve the story further in that book. Especially if I have no idea what's going to happen in the next book. I want to see what the AUTHOR is going to create, not some random person's input.

If something happens in a book that's bad enough to turn me off it, I just won't buy the series anymore.

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CassandraJames In reply to clubstripes [2007-11-15 22:39:31 +0000 UTC]

I'm not throwing an angry fit, and as stated before I don't really feel one way or another about the issue. I do however have a problem with people mouthing off at someone for sharing their opinion, and problems with something they read in a book they liked.
I don't think that anyone's opinion should be belittled.

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clubstripes In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-16 08:47:37 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't talking about you when I said "angry fit." I'm talking about the person who wrote the complaints, and all the ranting that followed it.

I do agree that it's silly to belittle a mere opinion, but it's the difference between neutrally-presented opinion and irate demand that I consider the problem. While everyone's entitled to his/her opinion, I don't think it's grounds for imposing it on others.

Of course, my opinion is "I wanna see Empowered 3."

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CassandraJames In reply to clubstripes [2007-11-17 23:45:31 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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