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Description Behold, a page from the second volume of EMPOWERED, my “sexy superhero comedy” published by Dark Horse comics.* Behold, in particular, a page from the story “The Aryan Ideal of Shoulder Candy” [link] ...a story which, alas, has garnered some highly problematic misinterpretation from at least one outraged reader. Read on, and I shall attempt to clarify and explain the matter at hand.

As is made clearer in later volumes, the characters within the “Empverse” depicted in EMPOWERED operate by a set of so-called “Unwritten Rules” governing superhuman-related behavior and interactions. These rules are, alas, occasionally fudged and sometimes broken entirely ...with the literally burning example of this being the uber-horny supervillain “Willy Pete”.

In particular, one story in vol. 2, “The Aryan Ideal of Shoulder Candy,” features a female character who gets rather, ah, excessively forward with Emp, to the point that I actually considered cutting the story entirely. However, I wound up leaving the story in the volume anyway (though with a few cuts), as that character later winds up as the improbable, kinda-sorta superheroine “Ocelotina” in EMPOWERED vol. 3... and, furthermore, the story in question features the volume’s primary appearance by Emp’s nemesis Sistah Spooky (whose motives in said story may well be misunderstood, but I’ll worry about that later).

At one point in “Shoulder Candy”, the future Ocelotina fondles a naked Emp, a move which is meant to be wrong and inappropriate within the context of the story itself, and is, in fact, a clear violation of the Empverse’s “Unwritten Rules”. As you will see in future Ocelotina appearances, however, this self-absorbed, highly overconfident young woman does not believe that ANY rules apply to her. Unlike most of the other characters in EMPOWERED, she is wholly unburdened by insecurities or self-doubt... nor by many (or, indeed, ANY) thoughts regarding the consequences of her actions. You’ll note that she strictly forbids her brother from making any “bad touches” to Emp... but she herself, of course, considers herself to be allowed to do whatever the hell she wants.

Now, we come to most the problematic part of this story... In three panels of “Shoulder Candy,” on pages 67, 68 and 69 of EMPOWERED vol. 2, the future Ocelotina is most definitely touching Emp in a wrong and inappropriate manner. Let me state for the record, however, that she is NOT, repeat NOT digitally penetrating Emp in those panels, as several readers have unfortunately misinterpreted to be the case. She’s still certainly committing a “bad touch”, to be sure, but not THAT bad of a touch. (Also for the record: ANY touch made to a naked superhero or superheroine is considered a “bad touch” under the “Unwritten Rules,” which will be addressed in greater detail in the future.)

I wasn’t particularly comfortable with leaving those three panels in the book, to be honest, as it occurred to me that they were ambiguous enough to possibly be misinterpreted in this manner. I just didn’t have the energy to completely redraw them at the time I was handing in the book’s artwork, after relettering and correcting roughly 200 pages over the space of a week or so. (Yeah, yeah, boo hoo, I know.) In any event, in the second printing of EMPOWERED vol. 2, I’m going to redraw those three panels (and move ’Tina’s hand WAY the hell away from Emp’s “danger zone” ) to make it absolutely fricking clear to all readers that Emp is not, repeat NOT being fingered, okay?

Furthermore, later on, I may establish that Sistah Spooky wiped Emp’s memories of the whole incident... The idea being that Spooky doesn’t want to leave Emp any recollection that bad guys might’ve theoretically found her more attractive (or that a sleepy Emp might recall some fragment of Spooky’s subsequent berating of said bad guys). Still not sure if I want to go that route, as I might want Emp to recall that she's met Ocelotina before when the latter chica reappears (as an alleged superheroine) in vol. 3...

Actually, the Spooky appearance in this story was one scene that I was almost SURE would be misinterpreted: Spooky does NOT, in fact, want to wind up as any villain’s “shoulder candy”. She DOES, however, wish to be taken into consideration for such a role, so as to assuage her highly unstable vanity. Yep, so extreme is her own degree of insecurity that she chooses to interpret the worst part of Emp’s superheroic career (our heroine’s frequent bouts of distress and/or peril) as somehow being a slight to herself.

In truth, this damn story’s given me quite a few hassles, over the last year or so. The original version ended completely differently... and in a manner that I personally found wrong and inappropriate, to boot, which is why I spiked said original ending! I often grow tired of working on the longer stories in EMPOWERED, and that definitely happened here... Around page thirteen in the original version, I just said “screw it,” and decided to end the story as abruptly as possible. Specifically, I jumped directly from the scene of (the future) Ocelotina fondling Emp in an automobile’s trunk to a scene of THUGBOY fondling Emp in bed, as she suddenly wakes up from the dream sequence that took up the previous thirteen pages! Yep, the rest of the story was naught but a dream... (Groan. Yep, I was gonna go THERE once again.) Actually, I might post that unused page of Thugboy and Emp in bed sometime, as it’s reasonably hawt... and would’ve provided a welcome bit of “the sexy” to a book that featured quite a bit less in the way of carnal shenanigans than the previous volume.

However, I got rid of that ending entirely, and tacked on the much longer Sistah Spooky section of the story instead. Why did I do that? In part, because I needed a Spooky appearance, and also because I already had another dream sequence, the Thugboy nightmare dealie, planned for later in the volume... (and Lord knows, I’ve spent most of my career running the “dream sequence” concept into the ground.) The main reason, though, was that I thought the original ending might well be misinterpreted as Emp, in effect, fantasizing about getting tied up! That, boys and girls, would be SERIOUSLY wrong and inappropriate, as Emp doesn’t particularly appreciate her frequent forays into peril. No, really, she doesn’t.

So, I changed the ending, and promptly managed to stumble into a completely different and considerably thornier thicket of reader misinterpretation. Just grrrrrrreat!



*You can pick up EMPOWERED vol. 2 at your local comics retailer or bookstore; if it's not in stock, they'd no doubt be happy to order it (if only you ask) , so as to garner your caysh, yo. Heck, even my local Barnes & Noble briefly stocked EMPOWERED vol. 1, albeit in the jumbled hellscape of the regular comics section, as opposed to the orderly paradise of the manga section... or you can order EMP 2 from DH online at:

[link]

...or from Amazon. com at:

[link]
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Comments: 136

nunchaku In reply to ??? [2007-11-09 09:33:47 +0000 UTC]

I don’t agree. I don’t think you own someone just because you bought their comic book, or paid to see their movie. The artist offers his creation to the public, and you can decide if you want to buy it or not. He is not here to jump at your your every need, to make you feel happy. Fortunately today there’s so much material out there to choose from, so if you are unsatisfied with something, buy something else. But going to someone and saying: Hey I am a paying customer, change this because I feel it is inappropriate, that takes a lot of Ego, and not in a positive way.

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CassandraJames In reply to nunchaku [2007-11-11 01:56:33 +0000 UTC]

Firstly, I didn't have any real issue with the chapter; I am simply saying that people should not jump on anyone who has an opinion about the book. I'm not saying that Adam should change it, I'm just saying that readers have every right to express their distaste at the chapter in question.

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nunchaku In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-11 15:43:55 +0000 UTC]

I agree. Everyone should have the right to express their opinion, so long as they don’t impose it on others.

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CassandraJames In reply to nunchaku [2007-11-17 23:53:51 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I totally agree with that.

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MasterOfPointillism [2007-11-08 13:21:45 +0000 UTC]

It's kind of neat to hear what intent an artist had, then hear what the public thought it to be! Kind of like someone discovers after years that an abstract piece of art has been hanging sideways in the museum ...

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sevenShackles [2007-11-08 09:14:52 +0000 UTC]

im at work so i cant write much but damnit thats cool! fav+

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nutzelfutz [2007-11-08 09:10:23 +0000 UTC]

Nay...just fine. I got my Emp Vol. 2 a few weeks ago (it took quite some time and money to get it over here) and I dig it. Vol.1 was great, but there's way more consistency in Vol. 2. No need for you to fret over such small issues, for it's better to release a fun and enjoyable cartoon with five problematic panels than to release utter BS with a 'Free for anyone' sticker on it...
Go on with it, Emp Vol.3 will definately be bought (by me at least)!

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trismugistus [2007-11-08 09:04:37 +0000 UTC]

I just wanted to say that I think if a book comes shrink-wrapped with an advisory on it, the issue of straying into 'areas of controversy' is kinda something people shouldn't be too shocked to discover, whether you as the artist quite intended them or not. Art is sometimes all about interpretation, after all.

The over-ambiguous thing is definitely in that bracket. In some ways I liked that it could be fingering, but I also think it's fairly obvious it isn't really. I mean if emp was really being full on finger-raped and not just having her butt fondled or something, then she's a bit on the placid side in her reaction.

As for the aryan shoulder candy, I thought it was quite a clever touch actually.

In vol1 you had emp complaining about the bondage slave alien thingamy not taking her because her butt was too big. Iow, she was somehow offended that she wasn't being taken captive again, and also exploring the issues of her poor self image, etc.

In vol2 you have a sort of mirror situation with her nemesis(tah) spooky. So they're fundamentally similar people... I mean it's clever and stuff, and I liked it.

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DarkMeW [2007-11-08 08:32:58 +0000 UTC]

Well I can't really say that I took that part of EMP #2 as such a negative or over sexualized manner. Although like a lot of the book it took it crossed the usual sexual lines you would have in a lot of the superhero comics. Which seemed to be the point of the satire over the typical bondage titillation obsessed marketing of a lot of the cape’d comics that are out now.

Of course I didn't really get that he was the future Ocelotina's brother either. So my thickness over plot points might have come into play.

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gWebber [2007-11-08 07:50:04 +0000 UTC]

P.S. The jeans covered butt shot in Volume 2 (you know the one) is the greatest comic book ass shot in known history ! Oh Lordy how I'd praise that ass

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gWebber [2007-11-08 07:46:49 +0000 UTC]

Some people just got issues or something. I just got EMP 1 and 2 last week and near pissed myself laughin at the stuff.

Cute, Funny, Smart, Sad, Happy, Sexy, it's all in there ... Great, I say again GREAT stuff!! Drooling for Number 3 !

If I could write half that well my comic would have been finished looooong ago.

Rock on EMP

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reddragon162 [2007-11-08 07:02:46 +0000 UTC]

Gonna have to buy this fast before the edited version is the only one out there on the market.

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UnholyPaladinStudios [2007-11-08 06:33:09 +0000 UTC]

I personally wasn't all that offended by the chapter; the absurd manner in which all parties involved (within the comic, of course) reacted to the situation in context was rather funny, in my opinion (especially how it triggered Sistah Spooky's self-image issues again ).

The critics need to realize it's just a comic, and has a Mature Content advisory, so these things shouldn't be so unbelievably shocking to them. Your art's great, the stories are entertaining, and you're willing to let your works go into the sometimes controversial territories that most other comic artists in our modern-day overly politically correct society are too much of cowards to go. And that is precisely the reason I have so much respect for you as a fellow artist.

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CassandraJames In reply to UnholyPaladinStudios [2007-11-09 00:15:02 +0000 UTC]

The reader wasn't a 'critic' but a fan just like yourself.

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UnholyPaladinStudios In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-09 09:29:26 +0000 UTC]

I meant that not in the literal sense of a "professional critic" but rather as meaning "one who would criticize his work". I apologize for any ambiguousness in that statement.

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CassandraJames In reply to UnholyPaladinStudios [2007-11-17 23:54:12 +0000 UTC]

hey that's cool, I apologise as well.

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King-of-Not [2007-11-08 06:25:35 +0000 UTC]

Frankly, the HELL with P.C.
And stupid, pocket token idealism.
I thought modern "Political right/left polarization" is bad, but now I'm seeing all sorts of elitism, from this PC ranting against your work, to users of one 3DCG package blasting users of another.

The staple audience of comic books is still frustrated white males. The media P.C. machine along with militant 'ism's seems to tell us to be seen as other than like uh, "Neanderthal Grunge during your Magical Drama Queen Roxy thing" we have to be "super new age guy" eating vegan foods, wearing a tutu and kissing the jack boot feet of militant feminists. Then, despite that attention to sensitivity and servitude, the ladies would be going out for sex with "Neanderthal creeps" just using the 'sensitive guy' as a shoulder to cry on when he gets drunk and hits her or to get money for an abortion when he impregnates her and runs off, but still no sex.

The hell with P.C. and any "Sensitivity". I'm against violent racist beating and lynching (and, yes, putting nooses on people's doors), but really wish there still was a "Sambos" and "African Explorer" movies. IMHO, P.C. is a Captialist conspiracy to create a backlash that causes racism, sexism and general bigotry to re-surface. And worse, they keep saying its a product of the "Hippie" movement. Eh, ever see Robert Crumb's "Angel Food McSpade"?

All catering to these PC ranters is going to do is remove your edge. And I'd doubt you'd ever satisfy them. It'd be like the Susan B. Anthony quarter (dollar) where they said it was too pretty and therefore sexist and demeaning an ideal, and then it was too ugly and demeaning.

I'd suggest deliberately putting something really graphic; A dominatrix sexually torturing Emp for instance. Whipping, making her sit on a bondage horse for a day. Forced orgasm via electrodes. And the fingering to 'set off' her orgasm, causing tears to go down her face. Then she does get to cry on Thugboy's shoulder, but once she calms down she gets some more toys and has Thugboy don his "Spartan 3000" costume for "Gor" style play cause it did make her sooooo hot. Porny sick fantasy, but still milder than the "Real" stuff you find on the internet porn paysites which also have blood...

Have that be a fully inked and CG colored "Intro" to EMP #3 and have a disclaimer; "This is to tell all the P.C. queens to slither off to a wonderful world where they can inflict their frustrations on the world that causes their menstrual pain; The world of independent comics and photocopy Zines where people print what they want and work for their living elsewhere. I want to make my audience happy and make some money at last. Go to hell, PC bitches!"

I'll definitely get your second issue also, just because of those making such a fuss. And forgive my ranting, please, I'm just a bit mad too...

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missveryvery In reply to King-of-Not [2007-11-09 03:10:24 +0000 UTC]

....wow. i'm incredibly disappointed with you. i really thought you were different. i'm especially horrified with how hostile people have become in regards to this, especially without taking time to understand the full story. holy shit. i guess that's what i get for not finishing your story, huh?

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King-of-Not In reply to missveryvery [2007-11-09 04:40:46 +0000 UTC]

Take or leave the story, I don't care.
Would have posted the same regardless.

You'd posted that thing on "Nymphette" and before I could comment, you blocked it all out. Of the people you bashed and insulted and demonized, I'd be in the "It ain't my thang but as long as no real kids were involved, any fiction should be OK." (Think Spunky Knight for my Hentai mostly) And the reason for that is the needed reaction to increasing fascism and reactionary thought taking hold in this country. I say; "ThoughtCrime is NOT crime." Most people just don't respond to a raving reactionary like you. They don't want to defend something and be accused of being supportive of it. "He doesn't like our witch hunt!? Witch! Witch! Witch!"

I mean, really, compare such a fiction to any other. What if playing Doom or Quake or Halo made one eligible for criminal charges that approached doing similar crimes? Should a person face 20 to life for playing Grand Theft Auto, especially as a number of criminals have played that game, often just before a multiple shooting? And should a person who says "It's just a game, get off my back" be considered almost as bad as a person who walks around shooting people in RL? As it is, technically, fake pedo perv stuff is legal by a hair's breadth, but once in a while there's a conviction here or there, in combination with other things. And when does this cross into "Anti-War" speech becoming "Terrorism" and "Treason"?

And then, as I said in my previous post, look on "Bondage" paysites with "Real" adult women. I'd been hoping for shocking but in retrospect 'vanilla' stuff, from lots of 'oomph' scenes from "Grindhouse" style pictures I watched as a teen. Instead, I've seen needles through breasts, cutting skin open, beating and 'real' rape, partial drowning...but, it's "Okay because the models are over 18, proof on file, consenting and well paid".

IMHO, The Perv laws are only in place because our leaders needed a "Pornography of fear" to control us but with Vietnam too fresh in the public groupthink, they couldn't go "Bully Little War" right then. I remember Geraldo's "Satanic Panic" that probably got more people to dabble in Devil Worship than had ever done so in history. (1) During that time, with the "Satanic Baby Snatchers", the "Repressed Memory" garbage, the "McMartin Witch hunt" there was a ton of blatant corruption. $50,000 toilets, Space Umbrellas, provoking WWIII, the rampant Insider trading, the beginnings of "Globalization" and also the "S&L Scandal". While the media was full of exposes on the "Perverts after our CHILDREN" the rich elite got a whole Scrooge Mc Duck safe richer robbing us in broad daylight, while a few crimes (mostly false charges) took the national spotlights. A lot of families have been ruined by fake memory lawsuits, people are still in jail for imaginary crimes, like women convicted of having babies to sacrifice them to the devil, yet not one shred of non-hearsay, non-spectral evidence.

The country is about to fall apart from inner corruption, but as long as there is something shocking and scary on TV, it is ignored. And the way the laws are now, my late grandparents would have been "Serial Sexual Predators" for marrying at 13 and 17 best estimate. On a 'slow crime week' the prosecutor would have put them both in jail for molesting each other for "Points" and to take all their lands and monies for the state in fines. Just like a witch hunt. While people scream for a relatively rare person to get lynched, they don't notice the businessman making sure their children (and they) will live in increasing poverty and uncertainty. Turn on the TV and there's lip service to the economy about to collapse, but they'll tell you there's a molester waiting in every bush.

And beyond that, your rant was stupid...

That company you railed against. It isn't their first mild "Lolicon" and certainly not their most risque. They also publish "he is my master" which besides the ages of the characters also has a true "Pedo" scene. Later in the series the girl's youngest sister (8, I think) comes to visit and the older sister is franticly running through the mansion because she KNOWS her "Master" will grope and take advantage of her. This is portrayed as humor.
And it became an episode on the ANIME [link] [link]
I didn't know about this till I saw it. I only looked it up because I do like "Maido" hentai stuff. I was really, REALLY surprised that something like this could go through especially with reactionaries like you raising cain over stuff like "Nymphette".

Gawds, reading your rant I looked up that magna I'd never have heard of otherwise, even if it was in borders. It's slow and boring and only a few jokes here and there. In "eye Candy" factor, it's 1/10 "Strawberry marshmallow" but with those few jokes. I almost wondered if this was some kind of scam to try to sell the issues by making a 'controversy' about them. But no, it seems they got heat over that despite not getting heat over "he is my master" and "Ichigo Marshmarrow" and I'd guess 25% of their current stock. By raving about it till the took it down, the reactionary crowd probably saved them money by preventing poor sales.

(1) - By technicality of Christian thought, any non-Christian worship is "Devil Worship" but there is also the literal Devil/Demon worship. I refer to the latter.

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Komikino [2007-11-08 05:06:06 +0000 UTC]

Wait... but doesn't it have a warning label on the front and comes wrapped? People bitched about that? What about the fantasy girl on girl scene from book one between Emp and Sistah Spooky? What about the oral implications of the suit to be used for "oral stimulation" in book 2? There are more "offensive" things going on than this little incident!
If people get pissy about it, tell em to "Fuck off!" It has a warning label on it for smeg-sake!
Oh... more girl on girl action please!

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MelUran In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 04:52:35 +0000 UTC]

My only comment on this matter is that the majority of your readers recognize the preceding pages to this one for what they were- a sneaky way to cover naughty bits. That you are willing to go back and change all of it on ONE COMPLAINT to please everyone makes you a far better artist than any number of people I could list

My hat's off to you, sir.

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MelUran In reply to MelUran [2007-11-08 04:55:21 +0000 UTC]

'One complaint' referring to the situation in the comic, to clarify.

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SubarashiProductions In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 04:04:08 +0000 UTC]

I think too many years of dealing with American comics publishers, Marvel in particular, has gotten to you or is this part of the joke? Endless consensual sex is ok, but actual nippular nudity and non-consensual foreplay isn't? (If you've got a guy that skull copulates people to death, I think Ocelotina is not much of a concern.) "a “bad touch”, to be sure, but not THAT bad of a touch.": What is she doing to Emp then, cupping her? C'mon, don't lie to yourself. Even if that's what she's doing at the moment, that moment was about to go further. "as Emp, in effect, fantasizing about getting tied up! That, boys and girls, would be SERIOUSLY wrong and inappropriate, as Emp doesn’t particularly appreciate her frequent forays into peril. No, really, she doesn’t. "-Yeah, except for the part in volume one where Thugboy remembers her saying that he doesn't have to untie her.

If you don't want your stories to go certain places, that is certainly your right, but if you are being censored by Dark Horse or self-censoring in response to people that live in a country with pretty wacked priorities, that's not ok. It's fiction, people; there are real problems that need your attention.

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CheskaMouse In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 03:44:21 +0000 UTC]

Sistah Spooky has more issues than the Library of Congress.

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missveryvery In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 03:37:01 +0000 UTC]

thank you for telling us this but this doesn't actually address my concerns. As I've had to repeatedly state the past couple days as i've raised so much hell about this chapter, my problem isn't what kind of sexual assault, or that she was sexually assaulted in the first place. My problem was that in a book where, at least to me, the whole point was showing the repercussions caused by such acts that aren't exactly in the "unwritten rules" but still lame, this is a chapter showing those rules being broken and then.... nothing. no repercussions, no therapeutic talk, nothing.

it seems like, as of this minute, you haven't exactly puzzled out where you're going with this. (which is honestly kind of frightening). I think what I need to know is if you WILL give this "bad touch" episode the kind of treatment you've given other things of a lesser and sometimes (willy pete) similar nature.

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amegoddess In reply to missveryvery [2007-11-09 05:26:40 +0000 UTC]

Maybe Emp doesn't consider these bad touches the way you do and isn't bothered by them since they're from a girl.

I understand your feelings on this but honestly I've had girls grab me on my crotch and fondle my boobs. Now my actually thoughts on these bad touches were more a "hello there what are you doing?" and less an "special episode of sexual harassment." Not all girls will consider these touches to be as um, horrible as you view them. Mostly cause some girls don't consider touches from other woman to even be of sexual nature even if maybe they are. I don't know if Emp is like me on this but there are girls out there that do think in this fashion.

Honestly, I think you should probably just not read this comic if it upsets you so much. The fact that the artists is changing his work bothers me a little... what other thing will he changed because it upsets a couple of people? I don't want a water down version of his comic where he over thinks everything. Part of the reason I liked this series is BECAUSE he does out there things that aren't politically correct with and without consequences. I honestly thought that was the point. I never thought it was meant to be an after school special.

Sigh, anyway I know this won't change how you feel and honestly I don't think it should (just like I don't think Adam needs to censor himself) but I just think you should hear a differing girl's opinion.

-Diana

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koalanomarch In reply to amegoddess [2007-11-11 23:41:23 +0000 UTC]

I agree with your assessment of the "up to personal interpretation" quality of the situation. The dissenter seems hell-bent on the comic turning into an exploration of sexual assault and its effect on the victims, which, although it could be a valuable discussion, is not the point of this comic as far as I can ascertain. While I acknowledge that rape is a heinous crime, the reactions of the victims may differ wildly, and I personally consider it very insulting that the poster is forcing her reaction on both the readers and Emp, the "victim" in this situation. It really may be that the girl thought nothing of the situation and it wasn't the life-shattering experience that it's made out to be on the poster's journal. It's almost like they want her to suffer and undergo severe trauma, just for the sake of discussion, and really that's grotesque in its own way. I have very personal friends who are survivors of sexual violence, and they found this crusade to be disgusting and hindering to their cause by equating their suffering to vague actions--fictitious actions.

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ZytherDark In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 03:18:01 +0000 UTC]

Adam... I understand the Political correctness of the ordeal... But the book does state "Parental Advisory" on it. Yeah the person complaining might be those nit-picky folks but at first glance of the issue I honestly didn't notice it until you mentioned said referance pages. So I wouldn't sweat it dude... Although you did make me wanna read both Emp's again... Thanx ^_^

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TheFableKeeper In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 03:06:13 +0000 UTC]

I liked it. I will admit hand placement did lead to above misineterpretation but in a way it kind of fit into the story as well as really showing ow far and 'bad' the kidnapper was. As far as the Sista Spooky bit, totally got that. Her reasoning for being upset seemed crystal clear to me.

Furthermore just wanted to say that I love your artwork and the emp books are great. Look forward to volume 3.

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DavidFernandezArt In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 03:03:58 +0000 UTC]

I actually discussed this comic with Nick Bertozzi today, just fyi.

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DavidFernandezArt In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 03:01:12 +0000 UTC]

Wow, did people really have a problem with this? Ive read Emp vol 2 a couple of times, and I totally understood that Spooky didnt WANT to be shoulder candy, but thought rather that she was a more worthy candidate than Emp. People can just misinterpret ANYTHING these days...
...
I DID though think that Emp was getting fingered... I guess people just make the invisible connections in their head.

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Lordoffantasy In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 02:55:50 +0000 UTC]

well, can we really blame these villains for it? she is hot as hell.

is it kind of just me, or is sistah spooky sounding a tide bit jealous of emp?

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CaptRosko [2007-11-08 02:46:25 +0000 UTC]

That was a big read. I enjoyed the glimpse into your thinking too. Sadly I haven't gotten a copy of your comic yet, but I intend to. I was wondering if the final version is in pencil, like this appears to be. If so I was wondering what pros and cons there is to doing the comics in just pencil, and maybe why you choose to do so.

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AdamWarren In reply to CaptRosko [2007-11-08 04:33:51 +0000 UTC]

Yep, both volumes of EMPOWERED are shot from my pencils. Only the front and back covers feature inked images.

The main "pro" is that this technique is very, very fast, as you don't have to deal with the additional step of inking... though you DO have to pencil considerably tighter than you would with "normal" pencils (that is, pencils destined to be inked over). This greater speed of production is the main reason I'm using the technique; I've come to intensely dislike the grinding tedium and maddening time consumption inherent to inking.*

The main "con" is that grayscale reproduction of pencil work is very, VERY variable and problematic, and can change considerably from one issue or book or printing to the next. EMPOWERED vol. 1, for example, repro'd considerably darker than vol. 2... but the latter volume's lighter repro actually captures the finer tones of the pencils a bit better.

*In truth, I prolly prefer the RESULTS of inking to that of penciled work; I just don't like spending the time it takes to ACHIEVE such results.

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CaptRosko In reply to AdamWarren [2007-11-08 05:10:04 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for responding. I thought the reproduction would be the major problem with doing comics in pencil. I actually like how the pencils look personally. Even though getting the solid darks like one would with ink isn't as easy. The pencils have a fresh vitality to it I suppose, probably from seeing the mark making and sketchiness. I guess I just like seeing the hand of the artist. I asked partially because a friend of mine *RoninsUltramix likes working the same way as you do it seems. He's had some disatisfaction with the way the texture of the paper affects the lines he uses. I immediately thought the pages you've been posting lately. I was a bit curious myself too about your views on this. Thanks again for responding. Keep up the good work.

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hrhtomas [2007-11-08 02:46:15 +0000 UTC]

Don't let the dumb-asses get you down, Adam. You've done an excellent job setting the tone, theme, boundries, etc. of the series.

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CassandraJames In reply to hrhtomas [2007-11-09 00:18:44 +0000 UTC]

Having an opinion about a comic does not make anyone a 'dumb-ass.'

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hrhtomas In reply to CassandraJames [2007-11-09 03:03:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but... but... they said that... I mean they... I... nngh.

*sigh*

All right, I appologize for calling people dumb-asses just because they complained about a scene in Empowered that they mistakenly thought contained lesbian digital penetration.

*mumble*

I amend my original statement: Adam, don't feel down just because a handful of readers don't get you. I get you, and I don't know shit.

Better? I can't stand it when people think I'm cruel.

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CassandraJames In reply to hrhtomas [2007-11-09 03:19:22 +0000 UTC]

That's cool. I don't think you're cruel, I just think that over-all there have been a lot of over-reactions on both sides to this debate.

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Solitairy In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 02:44:51 +0000 UTC]

Not sure if you'll find the time to really read all this detailed feetback from your fans, but just in case I also wanted to say: When I read the story in Emp 2, I had the feeling that somehow a line was crossed concerning the "bad touch" since you had'nt seen a hand in this area before, but it didn't actually bother me and I wasn't thinking too much about entering or not entering. Actually, it didn't look like Future Ocelotina was having enough time to actually do anything more than ... euh, suggesting. I think if someone takes the time to think about the characters like they were introduced in Vol. 1, also Spooky's intentions concerning shoulder candy can't actually be misinterpret. It was really interesting to read what you wrote about your mind children and the way you work, and how you have to worry about the reception. I would enjoy to read more like this. So, thank you for taking the time to explain things, even if I somehow am the opinion that people should just pay more attention when they read so that they won't get it wrong, and not expect you to say that you're sorry for something that wasn't a big deal.

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ktshy In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 02:21:54 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha! "Shoulder Candy" is so cute, I love the way you draw your women!

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EchidnaJoe In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 02:05:28 +0000 UTC]

Well if you're not confident enough to do something in bad taste...

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GogetaKusanagi [2007-11-08 01:55:15 +0000 UTC]

Is volume 2 out yet?

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RabidElf In reply to GogetaKusanagi [2007-11-08 07:42:55 +0000 UTC]

Yes. Yes it is. It is quite Awesome I reccomend it

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GogetaKusanagi In reply to RabidElf [2007-11-08 08:35:29 +0000 UTC]

Argh, I can't find it. I got volume 1, need 2

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RabidElf In reply to GogetaKusanagi [2007-11-09 01:51:53 +0000 UTC]

Amazon.com might have it. Adam always seems to have it down there as one of the links on any piece about Empowered

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GogetaKusanagi In reply to RabidElf [2007-11-09 03:02:58 +0000 UTC]

I see.

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true-pain In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 01:04:23 +0000 UTC]

Plus I prefer you dedicate your resources to creating new content in your Empverse universe than wasting time satisfying every critic out there cause this here book your doing is for thinking adults, that why you shrink rap and sticker the opus with an Adult Content warning, so said sensitive folks can keep away. Keep waving the kryptonite, Bro.

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Dunne In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 00:55:56 +0000 UTC]

One thing for sure, you are making a sort of collectors edition of the comic itself, with adding that edit/change.

With the amount of material someone with access to 4chan has seen, it must be really sheltered people seeing this or more possibly insensitive to subtleties of gestures.

I might just buy both editions to compare them anyway. But its good you understand your limits as well. Hope it all blows over soon.

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ShadowRunner27 In reply to ??? [2007-11-08 00:33:38 +0000 UTC]

Shoulder Candy.

Genius.

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