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A father picks up his newspaper the morning after he buried his son, a Marine Corps Corporal. He found the front page dominated by a story about protesters thanking God for killing another soldier.The protester's justification? Their message is supported by scripture: God is punishing America for being tolerant of homosexuals and the death of soldiers is a welcome sign of God’s wrath.
How is a parent supposed to feel when their beloved child, who happened to be different, dies fighting to protect a people who's only response is “You’re going to hell!” and “God hates you!” ?
The claim in question today is "Homosexuality is morally wrong, because God says so." I disagree. A person's sexual orientation has nothing to do with morality.
Let's look at what parts of the Bible support this claim. A few sample translations from various publications include:
King James Version, first published in 1611: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination."
New International Version, first published in 1978: "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
New English Translation, first published in 2005: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act."
-Leviticus 18:22
William Tyndale is commonly called the father of the English Bible. He completed the translation of the New Testament in 1526. In doing so, Tyndale introduced new words into the English language, such as: Jehovah, Passover, atonement and scapegoat.
The Roman Catholic Church protested. Tyndale's translation used words like 'overseer' instead of 'bishop,' 'elder' instead of 'priest,' 'congregation' instead of 'church' and 'love' instead of 'charity'.
Let's look at the definitions of these controversial words:
An 'overseer' is a person who keeps watch over and directs the work of others whereas a 'bishop' is a senior member of the Christian clergy who wields spiritual and administrative authority, even considered in some churches to be successors of the twelve Apostles of Christ.
An 'elder' is an older, influential member of a family, tribe, or community whereas a 'priest' is a member of the second grade of clergy ranking below a bishop but above a deacon and having authority to administer the sacraments.
A 'congregation' is an assemblage of people, animals or things collected together whereas a 'church' is a body of people who attend or belong to a place for public worship.
'Love' is a strong positive emotion of regard and affection whereas 'charity' is something given to help the needy.
The wording in traditional Roman Catholic readings tends towards the clergy's divine right to rule others, to mandate attendance to their sermons and towards giving monetary gifts for the support of the church. They twisted scripture to suit their needs.
However, for the sake of argument, let's suppose that all the various Leviticus 18:22 passages really do mean the same thing and that the message it wants to get across is that homosexuality is an undesirable trait. Leviticus 20:13 goes on to say that it is punishable by death, coincidentally the same punishment given to murderers. Some would agree with Robert T. Lee, the founder of the Society For the Practical Establishment and Perpetuation of the Ten Commandments. Robert says this implies that homosexuality is at least equal to the sin of murder and that all homosexuals should be regarded by every society to be just as much criminals as are murderers. If we take it that far, should every written law in the bible be enforced?
Lee says on his website, "Man has not been given the authority and power to define the nature of crime. That authority is rightfully reserved only by God. [...] Therefore it is God who can best define what is evil for man."
Let's take that idea and see where it goes:
"I do not let women teach. I do not let them have authority over men. They must be quiet." -1 Timothy 2: 12 (New International Reader's Version)
Does this mean that every woman in a position of authority should be fired and women in general striped of their right to vote?
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have--you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 'Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession." -Leviticus 25:44-45. (New American Standard Bible)
Does this give us permission to treat others as though they are less than human, even so far as to enslave them, simply because they are different?
"Withhold not from a youth chastisement, When thou smitest him with a rod he dieth not. Thou with a rod smitest him, And his soul from Sheol thou deliverest." - Proverbs 23:13-14 (Young's Literal Translation)
Does this mean that children should grow up thinking that violence is an acceptable form of conflict resolution?
One argument in defense of biblical law is that it is mainly passages from the Old Testament that promote slavery, sexism, child-abuse, and other vices now that were considered virtues in their day. When Jesus died on the cross, the believer's sins were covered by his blood which granted forgiveness and began a new covenant that made the laws of the old obsolete. This can be interpreted from Hebrews 8:8-13.
However, in Matthew 5: 17-18, Jesus says:
"Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished." (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
Jesus basically explained that every single law in the Old Testament is still applicable and his teachings have no impact on their relevance. He even reiterates that yes, disobedient children should be put to death (Matthew 15:4-7). Even if you choose to ignore that passage, Jesus supposedly died two thousand years ago. Why is it that less than two hundred ago, in 1865 when Congress passed the 13th Amendment that abolished slavery, people were still quoting those same Old Testament scriptures to justify keeping their black slaves? One could argue that those people were misguided, that the Bible was written for a different time, when it was culturally acceptable to do those things; that the Old Testament is not used by Christians for laws we must live by, and is instead more of a history book. In that case, my argument that there are no moral grounds for condemning homosexuality still stands since the book in which it is prohibited, Leviticus, is from the Old Testament.
Others continue to justify their condemnation of homosexuals by pointing out that it is carried over to the New Testament:
"Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality, nor cheats, nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God." -1 Cor. 6:9-10, (Amplified Bible)
"Worse followed. Refusing to know God, they soon didn't know how to be human either—women didn't know how to be women, men didn't know how to be men. Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men—all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it—emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches." -Rom. 1:26-27, (The Message)
"We also know that the law is not made for good people but for those who are against the law and for those who refuse to follow it. It is for people who are against God and are sinful, who are unholy and ungodly, who kill their fathers and mothers, who murder, who take part in sexual sins, who have sexual relations with people of the same sex, who sell slaves, who tell lies, who speak falsely, and who do anything against the true teaching of God." -I Timothy 1:9-10, (New Century Version)
Now, it should be noted that all of these verses are excerpts from letters by the apostle Paul to their respective recipients. Before taking them at face value, listen to what the apostle Peter had to say about Paul's writings:
2 Peter 3:15-17 "You can be sure the long waiting of our Lord is part of His plan to save men from the punishment of sin. God gave our dear brother Paul the wisdom to write about this also. He wrote about these things in all of his writings. Some of these things are hard to understand. People who do not have much understanding and some who are not strong in the faith change the meaning of his letters. They do this to the other parts of the Holy Writings also. They are destroying themselves as they do this. And so, dear friends, now that you know this, watch so you will not be led away by the mistakes of these sinful people. Do not be moved by them." (New Life Version)
With this warning in mind, it should be noted that the very word 'homosexual' and phrases specifically referring to sex between people of the same gender for the previous condemning verses are NOT found in all Bible translations across the board.
Each translation reflects the world-view, beliefs, and mind set of its translators. Their personal biases distort their work. It is therefore no wonder that many have wished to know what the original text actually said. The National Gay Pentecostal Alliance (NGPA) has analyzed the Leviticus verse in great detail to produce a word-for-word translation of the original Hebrew. In English, with minimal punctuation added, they rendered it as: "And with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination." That is, rather than forbidding homosexuality, it simply restricts where it can happen. This may seem like a strange prohibition to us today, but it was consistent with other laws in Leviticus which involve improper mixing of things that should be kept separate. Much of Leviticus deals with the "Levitical Holiness Code," a code of conduct that was part of a covenant that prohibited the children of Israel from participating in the religious rituals of the Canaanites once they entered the promised land. They were not to eat with, intermarry, worship with or in a similar manner to the Canaanites. They were to remain "holy" or set apart. In obeying this covenant, they would prove themselves to be God's chosen people.
Since women were thought to be unclean during certain times of month, they had beds of their own. Only her husband was permitted there, and then only for the purpose of having sex with her. Any other use of her bed would have been a defilement. An argument against this interpretation is that it would not go well with the next verse that discusses a man or a woman engaging in bestiality. However, in defense of the NGPA translation, there is already a break in topic between verses 21 and 22 which prohibits children being sacrificed to Molech. So a second break between verses 22 and 23 would not be unreasonable.
The seriousness of this crime in Hebrew eyes was made worse by the belief that 'to lie with a man as with a woman' violated the dignity of the male gender. Women were considered property but men were the direct image of God. To treat a man the way a woman was treated was to reduce him to property and, thus, to violate the image of God.
Those who thump their Bibles against the gay community complain that the scriptures which attack women, children and people of color are being taken out of context. In the case against homosexuality, I accuse these people of the same crime.
Religion is supposed to help people. How does condemning homosexuality help anyone? Is it because homosexual couples can't produce offspring? Today people are growing healthier and living longer due to modern technology. Infertile couples have the options of in-vitro fertilization, surrogacy, and adoption. With the world population estimated to have hit 7 billion people in the year 2012, humans are hardly in danger of dying out.
Is it because the AIDs epidemic started with homosexual men? Why should the victims be blamed? If every homosexual in the world turned straight overnight, would the AIDs virus cease to exist? Of course not. AIDs isn't caused by homosexuality, it isn't transmitted by casual contact with homosexuals, it isn't cured by sexual intercourse with a virgin, and it won't stop spreading until people are educated about it, learn to practice safe-sex, and stop sharing contaminated needles.
The senseless fear and hatred of homosexuals has to stop. Otherwise we will continue to hear about tragedies like the police officer who denied a gay man CPR, the young boy beaten to death on the mere suspicion of being gay, and the gay teenager struggling with social hostility and isolation who turns to suicide as a solution to their pain.
Today, laws against homosexuality still exist around the world. The punishments range from a fine and 3 years incarceration in Algeria to being put to death in places like Saudi Arabia. There currently exist groups here in the U.S. like the Traditional Values Coalition, Focus on the Family, and the American Family Association, that are dedicated to the promotion of anti-homosexual legislation: to prevent them from being a protected class against hate-crimes, from getting legally married, from adopting children or serving as foster parents, and even to deny their families health care.
As a country founded by people seeking to escape religious persecution, for having beliefs that differed from the norm, as a country that established a democracy proclaiming that "All men are created equal" why do we try so hard to make others conform to our personal way of life and scorn those who have the courage to stand their ground?
We need to give homosexuals the chance to live normal lives; to accept them for who they are without making them feel shame, guilt, or unworthiness; to address them and treat them in a civil manner and accord them their dignity; to give them back their unalienable rights guaranteed to them as human beings and under the United States Declaration of Independence, their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Chief Justice Earl Warren presided in the 1967 Supreme Court case "Loving v. Virginia" involving an interracial couple, and he wrote: "The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
I hope this provoked some thought, and that everyone will agree that there are no moral nor practical grounds to condemn homosexuality, that the biblical law is set to the standards of an out-dated code of conduct, and I hope that we learn, once again, that it is wrong to hate someone simply because they are different.
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ErnestPeckham [2022-11-08 20:24:31 +0000 UTC]
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momoiroakira [2022-04-11 17:05:18 +0000 UTC]
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ErnestPeckham In reply to momoiroakira [2022-11-08 20:25:32 +0000 UTC]
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EternalSwordsman1 [2022-03-16 04:09:21 +0000 UTC]
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matthew-lane [2022-01-02 10:18:02 +0000 UTC]
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KazoeTadayoshi In reply to matthew-lane [2022-05-09 13:44:56 +0000 UTC]
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to matthew-lane [2022-05-04 04:27:19 +0000 UTC]
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matthew-lane In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2022-05-04 07:50:01 +0000 UTC]
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to matthew-lane [2022-06-18 04:38:17 +0000 UTC]
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matthew-lane In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2022-06-18 06:09:33 +0000 UTC]
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to matthew-lane [2022-08-26 01:13:26 +0000 UTC]
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Soratheevilone [2020-10-10 16:40:49 +0000 UTC]
The simple answer is, the rightest like too call it free speech and free thinking and like too blast the left for "trying to take it away" even though am a socialist and so are my friends and we all believe in free speech and free thinking however we know free speech isn’t freedom of consequence and what free speech actually is, is quite simply thus you can call me what you like and if you hit too close too the bone then I can retaliate however I see fit. Agree or disagree that is you’re right however it is also my right too throw a few punches of my own but when someone on the left throw a punch back the rightists don’t like it and start "Reeeee the left is complaining again" despite the right never shut up complaining, just so you know socialism isn’t communism communism failed and gave birth to Marxism which didn’t fail but later was found too have holes so it become socialism which so far hasn’t failed and has never failed especially in the USA were it has never taken root and at best they get centralist’s which isn’t socialism it is capitalism ultimately and very far from a leftist actually is, I call me fake leftist’s. This also I find funny because I saw a video where a load off rightists where calling the left “evil” and "that is finished" so I quoted them and changed leftist too rightist and I used word for word what they said and I got a one of em telling me "this is why everyone has enough of you” to which I replied "so how come you all can say this and nit me? Why can can you call me evil and that am finished and people are tired of me but not one of you did for the others? What is with this one way street we’re the right can complain and whine and call names but we can’t?" Which he never gave me the answer instead he blocked me because their is no answer as far as the right is considered only the right can compline and whine and kick off and even be racist (look at Britain first) and bigoted and transphobic, homophobic and sexist but still thinks it has morals.....wait because they aren’t real rightists they are Trumpian’s from Trumptiopa they are crazies and the the real rightists need too shit em up because the monkeys are running the zoo.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to Soratheevilone [2020-11-17 02:08:03 +0000 UTC]
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Soratheevilone In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2020-12-09 23:33:21 +0000 UTC]
Well then maybe you need too learn English, it quite simple rightists like too self justify hate speech and attack leftists that point out hate speech isn’t free speech.
You gonna chill the fuck out or what if anything my garbled wall of text is simply stating rightists are hateful you understand me??????? Fuck men sideways you people (in case you understand the "you people" I mean people who don’t read shit see their arse and accuse me of saying the exact opposite of what I said)
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to Soratheevilone [2021-02-05 05:53:55 +0000 UTC]
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Soratheevilone In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2021-02-06 02:09:15 +0000 UTC]
Wow that was very narcissistic off you btw the correct way too spell too is with a double OO maybe YOU should actually speak English rather than the bastardised version...........Or are you a racist that likes TOO think that the UK speaks the same way as YOU! Nah mate go fuck yourself my English IS fine.
Ever heard off a typo? Fair enough I misspelled who fucking use me cunt.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to Soratheevilone [2021-02-06 06:25:11 +0000 UTC]
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Soratheevilone In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2021-02-06 15:58:34 +0000 UTC]
Naturally I have also heard off bullies as well, they call it dominant behaviour in psychology, they like too shame people and try too humiliate them and take away any Measure off self worth. You see the strange thing I found out with you’re types is how do you know am not dyslexic? Relying on voice too speech? Which makes you an ableist. Anonymity let’s you feel secure as you feel no fear off repercussions, so you support gay right’s but use homophobic tactics on people who brain’s are compromised somehow (by tactics I mean again refer too dominant behaviour) talk about hypocrisy.
Bet you’ll look at my profile pic next and say I have big chin or how am not a girl because off my chromosomes and ignore the actual Science or tell me how climate change doesn’t exist and ignore the actual Science that has proven it is very real..................I seen you’re types many times it is like clockwork.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to Soratheevilone [2021-02-16 23:10:58 +0000 UTC]
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Soratheevilone In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2021-03-21 13:30:05 +0000 UTC]
And in psychology what you just done is called transferal and am trans and a pagan .
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Soratheevilone In reply to Soratheevilone [2020-12-09 23:34:46 +0000 UTC]
In case you see you’re arse over the typo as well here is a correction
*fuck me sideways
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edwardrhaj [2019-09-30 08:36:39 +0000 UTC]
This Marine died serving his country and the Lord. Why did God allow him to die, I do not know. But he gave his life so that we may live safely in peace and practice our faith without the threat of violence or death (although this situation is rapidly deteriorating!). He did not die because God is punishing America for homosexuality or all of the other sins; for whatever reason God declared that the earthly mission of this Marine had concluded. May he rest in peace and enjoy the reward of his sacrifice in heaven. (And never ever call a Marine a "soldier"; hopefully he will forgive you of your misstep.)
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redlipclassicthing [2018-03-14 20:49:39 +0000 UTC]
This is a phenomenal essay! It's well constructed, persuasive, and a strong argument. I'm impressed and can't wait to read more.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to redlipclassicthing [2018-03-17 22:54:23 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for saying so! Unfortunately, I don't have much more to say on the subject. Non-religious arguments against homosexuality are mostly straw man arguments that are simple enough to knock down with satirical one-liners: 50 Best Reasons Gay Marriage is Wrong
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LucaTheWriter [2017-06-15 04:02:54 +0000 UTC]
People these days are pretty cruel and dont tend to think before they speak. The people who actually do that sort of thing (if there was a god im aeithiest btw) then it would be not the soldier or the homosexual person who would go to hell but the one protesting it and saying these things because well you basically are sinning (sounds a lot like the person across the street she scares the crap out of me)
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to LucaTheWriter [2017-06-15 20:14:27 +0000 UTC]
"Sinning" is a transgression against divine laws, so technically the protesters can't be accused of that. Doesn't mean they're not doing something terrible, it's just not 'sinful'.
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licorishhh In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2020-11-17 21:28:35 +0000 UTC]
In that case they're judging the sin, not the sinner. In the Bible where it says the act is "detestable" I take that to mean literally the act itself is sinful. Besides, God has the right to judge everyone. That's why Christians are judged too. If a Christian makes a mistake, that's not just passed over. You still have to seek forgiveness for what you've done and admit that you've made a mistake.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to licorishhh [2021-02-05 05:59:36 +0000 UTC]
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LucaTheWriter In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2017-06-15 20:17:03 +0000 UTC]
Actually in the bible it says "thou shalt not judge they neighbour" which is a major sin if broken
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to LucaTheWriter [2017-06-16 17:30:31 +0000 UTC]
Indeed. The alleged infallible word of God is full of contradictions, isn't it? xD
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licorishhh In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2020-11-17 21:25:32 +0000 UTC]
I'm curious where you're getting that. Could you point out some of those contradictions you're referring to?
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to licorishhh [2021-02-05 06:00:27 +0000 UTC]
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TheJewishMarxist [2017-06-06 17:19:36 +0000 UTC]
I agree....Can I share this essay on my Twitter please?
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to TheJewishMarxist [2017-06-07 15:21:41 +0000 UTC]
Sure, thank you for asking.
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fallowgrove [2017-03-18 15:50:43 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. It's nice to know that someone cares about equality enough to write a whole essay It looks like you have a pretty solid argument, too.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to fallowgrove [2017-03-19 02:09:29 +0000 UTC]
It's sad that even though I wrote this almost a decade ago, it's still relevant today. Thanks for the comment and fave! It's not exactly light reading, so kudos on getting through it to the end!
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Xenomaster [2017-03-16 14:09:25 +0000 UTC]
I'm pretty sure the main reason the world (or America at least) is getting over homophobia is because of secular reasoning. Considering there is no verse that says "See the stoning of gay people, stop that"
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to Xenomaster [2017-03-17 01:20:07 +0000 UTC]
In the words of Sam Harris, "Moderate religion is the result of religion being dragged almost kicking and screaming into the modern world"
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AngelicArtistGirl [2016-06-18 18:39:48 +0000 UTC]
I'm absolutely confused right now because I'm not sure if I should trust you with this argument about homosexuals or not. You see, my family, whom are normal Christians, not catholic Christians because they said that religion is made by man while Christianity on the other hand is made by god, are against homosexuality because they think we should be with a man if we are a woman or the other way around. If we were a homosexual, however, it would be considered a sin and god is disgusted by sin so that would mean we would go to hell. However, my family mourned when they heard the news about the Orlando shooting because while they were human, my family believes that the victims went to hell because they were gay. And they even told me, a Christian, that the whole " we are equal thing, no matter what race, gender, or sexuality we have" thing is a lie. They aren't racist or sexist or anything, but they believe that homosexuality, pansexuality, asexuality, and even transgender does not exist. Just hetero stuff. Its alright if we can be straight or never find love, but I am baffled to realize that a god, someone who is supposed to love us, no matter how much sin that we have, can actually hate and be disgusted by sin and homosexuality that he would let those go to hell, even those who would believe in god. Heck, my parents even said to me that gay Christians don't exist! So gay people can't believe in god? Bullcrap! We can't have murder in this world, which is a good thing, but we can't have gay Christians?? Everything that I know is a lie.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to AngelicArtistGirl [2016-06-19 18:33:50 +0000 UTC]
It makes sense that you would be confused when the reality your parents tell you comes into conflict with what you know of the real world. It's normal to think that your parents would never lie to you. However, even your family said that "Religion is made by man". Whether they want to believe it or not, Christianity qualifies as a religion. Once you grow up and leave your home, you are no longer surrounded by the influence of your family's beliefs. This is when you can determine for yourself what is and what isn't a lie. Good luck.
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AngelicArtistGirl In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2016-06-20 22:13:11 +0000 UTC]
Actually, about that, should I really trust you about this? Because my parents believe that everyone except them can tell to me lies about Christianity. This makes me wonder whether i should trust you or my parents. I hardly know you, but you seem kinda honest about this topic.
Also, how can you tell Christianity is a religion? Again, I'm not a Catholic Christian, just a normal Christian.
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Andalitebandit-6 In reply to AngelicArtistGirl [2016-06-22 15:02:30 +0000 UTC]
That is a good question to ask. Who can you trust? You are more likely to trust those that you love and respect, so your parents are the obvious choice. It seems as if for a very long time you've never looked for answers yourself and only accepted what your parents told you without questioning what they say. But that's changed now, hasn't it? What they tell you about homosexuals and what you feel in your heart about them are different things. It's hard for you to accept that people who are kind and honest can go to hell for something as silly as being in love with the wrong person. Ask yourself why you think that way. You might be surprised by what you discover about yourself.
About Christianity being a religion, do you know what the definition of a religion is? It is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." Christianity falls under that definition.
It's also a bit arrogant to call yourself a "normal" Christian. There's no such thing. Christianity is a broad umbrella term under which there are hundreds of denominations, each defined by doctrine and church authority and divided by issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, etc. For example, in the United States about 82% of the population is "Christian" with the rest being Hindu, Buddhist, and such. Catholics are the majority and make up 38% of the Christian population, second place are Baptists at 25% and third place are Methodists with 11%.
Once you examine your own beliefs, you'll be able to better define what type of Christian you are. I'll give you a few examples:
Salvation:
Baptist: gained by grace through faith.
Methodist: a gift to anyone with sufficient grace.
Lutheran: attained by baptism and the Lord's supper.
Baptism:
Presbyterian: Sprinking on the forhead – for infants and professed believers
Disciples of Christ: Total body immersion – for those who have believed and repented
Episcopalian: Sprinking and immersion are both allowed – for infants and professed believers.
Marriage:
Mormon: the celestial order of matrimony is for eternity.
Adventist: “Until death do us part”. No marriage relationship after death.
Roman Catholic: “Until death do us part”. No marriage relationship after death. Does not tolerate divorce.
I don't expect you to take my word for anything I've written here and encourage you to do your own research on the matter. I'd be happy to continue this conversation afterwards, if you like.
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AngelicArtistGirl In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2016-06-22 16:08:03 +0000 UTC]
Ok sure. Thanks for the information, though. ☺
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AngelicArtistGirl In reply to Andalitebandit-6 [2016-06-19 22:30:03 +0000 UTC]
Wow, I've never thought of that before. Thank you so much. 😇
May god bless us all.
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Bloopydoopybloop [2016-04-05 20:23:05 +0000 UTC]
This is brilliant. Thank you. Thank you for posting this. I myself am a Christian, but I had no idea the Bible said such things. I have often been shocked about how the Old Testament talks about the inferiority of women and the right to murder an entire pagen nation, but I had never seen the passages about homosexuality. This is why I only belive in the New Testament. XD
I always knew that a lot christians find homosexuality immoral, but to this extent...? "God is punishing America for being tolerant of homosexuals and the death of soldiers is a welcome sign of God’s wrath"??? I didn't really belive it when I read it. I live in France, a mainly laic country, so even the priests here are a lot more tolerant towards homosexuality, other religions, pagens and women rights. But I know in the US, where you will have zero chance at politics if you don't at least PRETEND to be christian, its a lot different. I feel like they take the Bible too seriously.
All in all? I don't really belive in a lot of the things the Old Testament tells us. And honestly, if I hadn't been converted to chistianity at a young age, I feel like I may have even been a theist, beliving in God but not having any religion. I disagree with a good half of the Bible so much, I feel like I'm a bad christian.
But, this is what I mean when I really only belive in the New Testament. This is usually the part of the Bible the priests will preah the most (at least in France), and the general messege they give us at church is this:
"Go, live your life, have fun, live your dreams, discover the true meaning of happiness. Be an activist, make a change in the world. Make friends, cherish your family, be kind to everybody, charitable to those who need it, listen to those who have something to say, be understanding of other people's troubles. Smile, share your happiness, make others happy. If you have something to say to God, a favor, a prayer, or you simply want to say thank you, speak to him as you would to a father. God will forgive for anything you if you only ask him, so in turn be forgiving towards others, always. And, most of all, love everybody, no matter their race, religion, gender, beliefs, as Jesus loved you."
The true christian message is one of love. And it makes me sick when I see others using the words of the Bible for hate. About 1 in 10 people are homosexuals. Does that mean we have the right to hate 1 in 10 people in this world? I'm a christian, but I defend homosexuality. I have homosexual friends, and they aren't any different from anybody else. They deserve to be with whoever they love, and I will defend their rights.
Everbody deserves to be who they are. So thank you for posting this. This is something everybody should read. Homosexuals should never be treated this way, because THIS is what truly goes against the christian message. It's just wrong to hate. Christians should not hate.
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EarthUnderMartians In reply to Bloopydoopybloop [2016-06-14 01:19:52 +0000 UTC]
So...
You believe, despite the fact that the Old Testament is the word of god, that you don't need to follow it because it doesn't conform to your modern belief that homosexuals deserve equal rights.
Why the hell are you a christian?
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Bloopydoopybloop In reply to EarthUnderMartians [2016-06-14 19:46:21 +0000 UTC]
Like I said, I'm probably a very bad christian XD
I'm sorry. I made it seem in my comment like I just plain do not believe the Old Testament, that I don't worship that part of the Bible, that I don't believe it's the word of God. That I willingly cast it aside just because I don't like it.
Even though the Christian religion will focus more on the New Testament, there are absolutely fundamental passages in the Old Testament, and that I believe and worship. Like Genesis, Moses, Abraham, David, Solomon, Eli, etc...
But sometimes, I feel like the two Testaments contradict each other. While the New Testament speaks of love and acceptance and peace, I find passages in the Old Testament where God rages war against non-Hebrew nations, orders the massacre of all the humans and animals of an enemy nation (even the babies), permits some of the most important figures in the Old Testament to commit cruel and immoral acts, refuses to forgive sinners, and of course the teachings of the Old Testament reject homosexuals and often treat woman as less than nothing (that last part is true in the New Testament as well, but it seems less harsh).
Honestly, I think I just don't understand the Old Testament, and that's why I don't usually study it all that much, save for the key points. I think I would just need someone to explain to me why these two Testaments seem so contradictory.
I'm a Christian because of what it brings me, what it teaches me, what it helps me bring to others, and what it has helped me become. Sometimes I do doubt if there is a God up there. But I have felt His presence, more than once. So even though I may not be a perfect christian, I believe in God.
And the Christian community and teaches have made me better person, I know they have.
They have brought me love, and comfort, and happiness, and taught me how to give it to others.
That's why I'm christian.
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EarthUnderMartians In reply to Bloopydoopybloop [2016-06-14 20:12:53 +0000 UTC]
You people are hopeless... Honestly...
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