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Description Just a little note - I had this one done in a specific color and had originally named it that color with the vortex (can't remember the color now - I think it was blue) and like a dummy, I renamed it and lost the gradient. Arghhh...

So, I made another gradient that would work and ended up with a rainbow colored vortex instead of a blue one.

Apophysis 2.05b2 or b2z+ or b2z+c+r5 (I never know what one I'm going to use and never remember what version it was when I'm done. *grin*) and Liz's modified plastic script in the following download.

Download zip file:
[link]

Full view recommended.
Thanks for looking!
Hugs,
Anj

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Comments: 158

fractal1 [2012-04-08 21:39:27 +0000 UTC]

Gorgeous, Anj! I love the colours. My favourites are the mossy greens.

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-09 00:58:16 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much for the compliment!

I love colors, period. That's why a lot of my art is colorful.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-09 01:02:10 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! I'm a "colour person" too. I delight in colours and agonize over them! I'm feeling a bit limited in Apo and want to learn to do more with colours in this program.

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-09 02:59:48 +0000 UTC]

Well, there is a few things you can do. Once I found out I could play with the gradients, I had a grand time. It's still a bit random unless you use the "Smooth Palette" button, but you can come up with some really nice gradients... if you like to play. Do you know about the smooth palette button?

First, go into your options, or preferences or whatever they call them. (Okay... I'm opening Apo now so I can tell you better.) Okay... the tools menu and the settings. In the Gradients tab, under the number of nodes, change the minimum to around 5. I generally leave the maximum alone.

Now, you know about gradients in the adjustment window, right? And you know about double clicking on the gradient bar to bring up a new gradient? I found this totally by accident one day when I was first learning about Apo.

So... now you have all the menu items under rotate to play with. Usually I blur the gradient and little, then increase the saturation a bit. If I don't like what I get, I'll try lightening it and then increasing the saturation again. Sometimes I darken it, but usually not. I also will play with the hue if I have a gradient I like, but am not crazy about the colors.

And if you already know all of this, please ignore my blathering.
hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-10 18:43:45 +0000 UTC]

Now I'm all excited because I have some new ideas to try out! I've been using "smoothe palette," though not always with the results I want. I just tried changing the "number of tries" from 100 to 1000 to see what effect that will have. In general, I like gradients with a high frquency so that there's lots of colour variation in my fractal. I'll try changing the number of nodes, as you suggest. I didn't even know that setting was there! Double-clicking the gradient bar is also new to me. These are great suggestions! I'll try them all! Thank you so very much, Anj!
Rosalinde

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-10 20:45:57 +0000 UTC]

Rosalinde,

I am so glad I could be of help! And you are very welcome. Any questions you might come up with, feel free to ask.

Have you ever tried the frequency adjustment? I've done that with certain gradients on certain fractals. And once I make a gradient I always save it so that I will have access to it again.

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-11 23:36:34 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure I'll have more questions. You are so nice to help! I use the frequency adjustment often. I find that raising it 1 notch works well, but anything more just makes the colours blur together in the image. Would you say that this has been your experience too? When you make an adjustment to an existing gradient, such as a frequency or saturation adjustment, do you save the adjusted version of the gradient?

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-14 04:38:26 +0000 UTC]

You're very welcome and any time you have a question please don't hesitate to ask. If I can answer it I will and if I can't, I probably can direct you to someone who can.

As far as frequency, it really depends on the fractal. I've had some that needed the colors as tight as I could get them, then I've had others where I didn't want the frequency to be too high. I would say I've had more of the latter and not so many that needed high frequency.

When I make adustments, yes, I usually save them, but I name them "a", "b" or "-01", "-02", etc.

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-15 05:49:56 +0000 UTC]

That's a great idea: re-saving the gradient! What are those little symbols in the top right corner of our comments called? Moods? I keep forgetting to use them! I'll try to put one in right now and see if it works. I think it's good to have a program in which there's lots to learn and endless variety as far as fractal making. I love Fractal Explorer, but I had to give it a break because I was starting to make the same fractals over again!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-15 06:49:46 +0000 UTC]

Ah... yes, moods.. or whatever. Now I know what you mean... and yes, I am sure it was a mistake.

I've only used Apo. I tried UF once and only once. It is soooo different. When I first learned about fractals I used XaoS, but that's more for exploring and less for making art. At least that's the way I feel.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-16 19:56:07 +0000 UTC]

Interesting, what you say about XaoS. I haven't tried UF yet, but I'd like to. I see a lot of the same kinds of fractal coming out of UF (either pretty flowers or pictures put together out of many parts).I'm sure it's possible to make wonderful, unusual art with UF too. I don't feel good making what eveybody else is making. I tried my first-ever Apo tutorial a few days ago. Oh my! I felt as though I was just plugging in numbers according to directions. I didn't learn much or feel artistic. I will try some more tutorials, though. I'm glad that you like Apophysis as much as I do! I actually get messages from people trying to convince me to switch to Mandelbulb! LOL! Mandelbulb is fantastic software and the results are awesome. It's simply not what I want to do right now. There's so much more I can learn in Apo!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-16 20:22:27 +0000 UTC]

If you want some good tutorials that will really TEACH, try `ClaireJones ones. They helped me learn sooo much!

May I ask what tut you used? I'd be interested to see what I think about it. Yes, some of them feel rather mechanical, and some only produce one kind of flame and there is no tweaking to make it different. Others teach me new methods and how to use different plugins, etc. If you like gnarls, *Epogh had a good one out for gnarl flowers.[link] In fact, it was the one I used for the fractal I posted today. Mine doesn't look like his.

Another one that is good for gnarls is one by ~Drummerboy08 . [link] His really helped me to understand the how and why. To me, that's more important than how, because I can remember how and why but I rarely remember how without it.

If you want, I can tell you what tutorials I find helpful... but I think you might have enough to go on for a while.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-16 22:45:50 +0000 UTC]

Tutorials that teach and explain are exactly what I'm looking for. I'll try all of your suggestions! Thank you! I had tried this tutorial:
[link] . The author and other people have made astonishingly beautiful fractals using this method. I think I just don't understand enough yet. At one point, the author asks, "Do you see what we're doing here?" I didn't! I wasn't able to do any useful tweaking either. For more advanced Apo-ers, this may be a great tutorial. Maybe you'd like to give it a try?

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-17 03:58:26 +0000 UTC]

P.S. I'm going to give this tutorial a try and let you know how it turns out.

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-17 04:27:50 +0000 UTC]

Excellent! You'll notice that 3D in Apo is no big deal. It's just a little extra thing you can do. Mind you, it does look great sometimes! Do you remember my fractal "Gazing Vase" [link] ? It was made using the 3D settings.

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-17 05:08:37 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I remember the vase very well. You were the one that mentioned the glass beads.. which I should have thought of. Thanks... when this render is done I'm going to give that tutorial a go. Maybe it wasn't you... maybe it was the tutorial... and we'll find out. Heck.. maybe it will be me too.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-17 17:23:08 +0000 UTC]

I think it was me! I felt brain-dead! I was actually told by a neurological specialist once that I should not go into the arts because I would be lousy at them. All I can say is Ha Ha Ha! I may not be a genius at this, but I sure like what I'm doing.

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-17 20:11:26 +0000 UTC]

Well, it wasn't all you. I made a lovely fractal (haven't rendered it yet... don't know if I will. Like you I don't like following the beaten path) but the tutorial has some problems. Maybe it is my experience with Apo that I can work through them... maybe it's that I have an engineering-type mind for solving problems... but I did manage to do it. Will look through the tutorial again and let you know where I found mistakes.

Oh, and you mentioned that it was mechanical. Yes, juliaN's are rather that way. There's not a lot of moving of the triangles you can do except back and forth on the main shape. If you do `ClaireJones "Julia Uncovered" you will learn a lot more as to why.

When it asked, "Do you see what's happening here?", it was talking about the fact that adding more transforms with the juliaN variation was making it more detailed. I think I ended up with seven total transforms on the one I made. If you want to see it I can render it smaller and put it in my scraps.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-18 04:38:03 +0000 UTC]

I'm eager to see what you made, Anj! This tutorial business is exactly like the crochet pattern business! People make something, then they go back and try to remember what they did so that they can write down the instructions. Not surprisingly, errors result. It wouldn't be so bad if they had somebody test the pattern before they publicized it. Even in beautiful glossy crochet books there are countless mistakes. In crochet, I have the experience to see the error and correct it. I think that I will in Apophysis too, given a bit of time. I think I simply got a bit ahead of myself. Please do let me see what you made!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-18 08:16:16 +0000 UTC]


Well, yeah, it is. I used to crochet a lot... but ran into carpal tunnel syndrome and had to quit. I can remember patterns where I had troubles, but I remember a lot of them where I didn't. I guess it all depends on where you get your patterns too. At the time I was crocheting, there wasn't a lot of Internet so I got most of mine from magazines. I can't remember the name, but they had some gorgeous patterns in them.

I'll post the 3-d JuliaN to scraps because it's not ready for prime time. I'd have to fiddle with it some more before I felt like it was something I'd want to claim. Tomorrow, K?
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-18 20:25:22 +0000 UTC]

I'm so sorry that you had to give up crocheting! I haven't done any in a few years, but I hope to start again. There are some books and patterns that are fine. I always appreciate them greatly! There's no hurry with the 3D JuliaN. I'll be here many days yet!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-19 06:09:53 +0000 UTC]

It's something I miss a little, but I had to give it up a long time ago so it's not a big deal. Thank you for empathizing though! What I hated giving up more was knitting.

Okay... if you're not in a hurry for the JuliaN, send me a reminder in a few days. I'm gonna be busy for a while... as I told you in the note.

BUT, please, don't hesitate to ask questions! I'll make time for those. I enjoy teaching, to be honest with you, because I love to see others develop more. In fact, I'd love it if you left me in the dust!
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-19 17:39:59 +0000 UTC]

I was just about to learn to knit when my life became too busy. I'll get back to it, I hope. I believe you when you say you miss it!
I appreciate your help sooo much! I enjoy helping others too. I regularly give advice to several people. You're years ahead of me - light years, I'd say! I don't think I'll leave you in the dust. Besides, this is no competition. We'll always have our own styles with their own very special beauty, won't we?

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-20 04:59:00 +0000 UTC]

Yes, that's very true... but you never know, you might do it... you might because a fractal guru! And if you do you will be the one helping me.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-21 18:34:45 +0000 UTC]

It's tempting to sink myself totally into fractals and try to become a guru! I don't think I'll do that, though. I did this when I was a musician. I was very, very good at music, but I ended up feeling lonely and set apart from the world. By now, I'd rather be less good at something and be part of the world. I hope to become pretty good at this fractal making, though, even if I don't turn into a guru. Helping you would make me very happy. You're always welcome to ask me things.

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-22 06:55:15 +0000 UTC]

I think I can understand a little bit of your isolation. For some reason it seems that if we're good at what we do we get set apart from the rest of the crowd. Or maybe it's just because I'm weird that it happens to me!

I can understand that wanting to be part of the world too. I am slowly joining the living world again. By my own choice I've been separated from it for the last several years. I think I've finally healed enough that I can get back out there again. (It's amazing what a haircut can do for you! )

If I see something I want to ask you about I will. That vase is pretty awesome. And I'll probably take something you tell me and use it in a totally different way.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-24 00:30:23 +0000 UTC]

You're right, I think. Just being good at something can set us apart. It also works the other way around, doesn't it? If we put most of our time and effort into one area, we're bound to miss out on a lot that's going on around us. I used to be invited to people's houses for Christmas, and I couldn't talk about anything except music, as much as I would have liked to. I'm so glad that I've changed now! Would you be okay telling me about your experience? (You can write me a note if you'd like.) Haircut! I should try that! I'm also considering colouring my hair again. I've been working so hard that it hasn't really been worth it. I have to keep washing it, sometimes twice a day, because of all the garden dirt and dust in it. It may make me feel better, though. It would be a change, at least.

The vase was surprisingly easy to make. If you like, I'll give you the basic instructions. If you start with a different flame, you'll end up with a different vase. That would be fine with me. You'll be able to post it as your own. The trick will be finding something that looks nice. It's always like that with Apo, though, isn't it?

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-24 04:32:46 +0000 UTC]

I never really ran into it in a way that you did... where you didn't have anything else to talk about at parties. I never went to a lot of parties anyway. *smiles*

Mine was a case of a woman in a man's world and having the audacity to be better than most of them. I don't think it would be a problem in today's world, but I'm talking 30 years ago... and it WAS a problem then. I couldn't make friends at work because they were all men, so that limited me in friendships. I used to envy the men when they would talk about getting together after work. I needed to go home and be with my children.

But I wasn't going to play dumb either! So I just did what I had to do and got through. Today men don't seem to have as much of a problem with a woman boss as they did back then.

If you're asking me about why I withdrew from the world, that one's easy. My older daughter was killed in a car accident in 2006. That's the reason I withdrew from the world. It was a long downhill slide, but I'm on the climb up now and that's what's important. And please don't feel like you have to say you're sorry because you don't. I think about her every day and I miss her too. Raising grandchildren kinda takes all the fun out of being a grandmother... but that's the way it is and I wouldn't have it any other way.

The haircut was wonderful! I think the long hair was a sign of my not caring about a lot of things while I was down in the valley. The haircut has been a real uplift. I didn't even color my hair. For someone my age I have very little gray... and it's mainly at the temples, so I brush my hair back and show off the gray.

I would really like it if you would give me a few instructions about the vase. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll make it, but it will teach me new things.

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-24 22:12:24 +0000 UTC]

Good for you for toughing it out in that job! I don't know how it was in your situation, but in many jobs the boss is already somewhat removed from the other employees so that he/she can maintain authority. Then you were a woman, too, and a very smart one. I can imagine that it was hard! I still hear about certain lines of work in which this happens. The most recent one I heard about was the RCMP. There was a lot of unfairness in the music world, but it was mostly due to people helping their friends. It had little to do with gender. It's kind of funny, but I think we saw each other more as violinists and trombonists than as real, living people!

What a horrible, painful thing to have happen to your daughter and to your family! Saying that I'm sorry would not be enough. What I can say is that, although I've never lost a daughter, I'm familiar with serious grief and the things it brings with it. No two situations are ever alike, of course. It took me almost 20 years to come out from the pit. I'm no longer the same person I was. In some ways, it's sad, but I find that I grew in good ways too. I'm so glad that you're climbing back up, my dear friend!

I'll note you some vase-making instructions soon. You can have a good time experimenting with them!

Rosalinde

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-25 06:04:05 +0000 UTC]

Yes, the same was true about bosses in my situation, and you're right. That made it even harder. I couldn't be friends with the one or two women in the engineering department (a department of about 50), and my position kept me from being friends with a lot of the men... and my husband at the time was very controlling and HE would never have allowed it.

It's good that you never ran into the sexual discrimination a lot of woman have experienced. And yes, I can see how it would be that you were the instruments you played rather than male or female. In my case it's just that what suited me most for work was in a profession dominated by males.

Thank you. I really appreciate the way you shared condolences. Thank you. I don't want to get on my high horse, but it is hard to have people say "I'm sorry" and not really mean it. You have more depth to your soul than that and I fully appreciate it!

If I might ask... and as you offered me you could send it in a note if you feel like answering... what was your experience that sent you into your pit? Yes, each situation is different and we can never fully know what the other is experiencing. And one of the worst things I've heard is, "It happened for a reason." What?!!? Oh well... I am so sorry that you've had your pit too. But I'm going to make an observation here... I think our trials define us and make us kinder and gentler people.

Take care!
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-28 00:23:27 +0000 UTC]

You were in Engineering? What a fascinating field! I can't even imagine how lonely it must have been for you, though!

It's possible that a lot of people who say "I'm sorry" actualy mean it, don't you think? Granted, they may not understand exactly what you're going through or know what to say to you besides "I'm sorry". I have a feeling that if they heard the whole story, they'd cry with us. I'll send you a note about my experience.

"It happened for a reason" is a terrible thing to say, in my opinion. It comes from the olden days when people weren't allowed to think or question. They were expected to accept eveything that happened to them. There may be "reasons," like slippery roads or a baby born with a defective heart through an accident of nature. The "reasons" are not anything that could comfort us. The fact that innocent children and animals die every day is proof, I feel, that God is not behind such tragedies. He wants only good for all of us.

I think our trials can send us in two different directions: toward bitterness or toward greater love. I'm so lucky that I managed to go in the second direction. I have the feeling that you have done so too!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-28 11:42:57 +0000 UTC]

Ha! Maybe my loneliness in the engineering department was just training me for later in life.

Yes, I think a lot of people can do that... say "I'm sorry" and mean it, but there are others who just say it in an offhand manner... they are saying it because they feel it is required of them rather than truly feeling anything. Those are the ones I cringe from, the ones I have a hard time dealing with. I imagine you've run into that a time or two?

I don't think I've headed down the trail of bitterness. I can tell you haven't headed in that direction at all.

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-29 17:43:02 +0000 UTC]

Did you become even lonelier later on?
I think you're right that some people just say, "I'm sorry" because they think they should. You'd be able to tell from the way they said it. I got some comments that were even worse (if that's possible), such as, "Don't be silly." Ugghh!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-29 19:31:57 +0000 UTC]

Oh, that comment would have totally ticked me off! It ticks me off right now that someone would say that to you. GRRRRRRR!!

Yes, I became lonelier later. I'm still pretty much of a hermit. I have one friend who will stick behind me even though she hasn't seen me for years.... and she only lives about 20 miles away. I don't have any other friends now because I rarely leave this place.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-05-02 18:29:18 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for standing by me! It means a lot to me that you say this!

You have friends on dA, right? It's pretty much where my friends are, at this time. I'd like to have one or two friends in the city, besides, but I don't have time to get together with them right now. They deserve that from me.

Loneliness can be awfully painful. Do you find it so?

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-05-02 19:21:35 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

Yes, I have friends on dA, but you know as well as I do how limited that can be. We can't see each other for example... or get together for a coffee or a tea or a soda or ice cream. To be honest with you, I'm not sure how I would have survived when Chrysanne died if it hasn't been for friends on dA. And you are one of those friends now... in fact you're closer to me than a lot of others I've known longer here on dA.

Yes, it can be. Thank heavens for pets because they make that loneliness a little easier to bear.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-05-03 02:48:51 +0000 UTC]

I'm pleased and honoured to be your friend! It is different, here on dA, than having friends close by. I like both. Maybe, one day, we will have tea or ice cream together! My pets have helped me immeasurably. I was so lonely before that I would beg my houseplants to please move a leaf for me! My apartment seemed way too still and quiet!

Are the dA comment counts gone? I think it's a huge relief!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-05-03 03:14:55 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean about the comment counts?
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-05-03 03:22:30 +0000 UTC]

Under the thumbnails of our art, it has been telling us, "Nine comments" or however many we have. This is gone at present (though it may not be gone where you live). Even here, it looks as though it's just a temporary availability of statistics. I wish they's get rid of these comment counts. I've been feeling bad about my latest fractal, for example, because it has fewer comments than usual. That's silly, and I know it. I like the fractal, it has had some lovely comments, and it has a reasonable number of faves. Still, it's hard not to be influenced by comment counts when dA keeps showing them to us! How do you feel about them?

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-05-03 03:37:54 +0000 UTC]

I honestly don't pay much attention to them. I've noticed that I almost always get more faves than comments and that doesn't bother me. Remember the link I sent and the journal? To me it's nice to get comments and faves, but it's secondary to making my fractals. BUT... at one time it did. It took several factors, not the least two plus years away from dA before that happened.

Anyway.. yes, it's a temporary interruption of the statistics. I noticed it on a page when I viewed a deviation.

I've been conversing with an older gentleman who used to be a psychologist (he's not much older than us but has MS and had to retire - he's wheelchair bound now)and he was talking about research that proves that fractals relieve stress. I found that so interesting. I haven't googled it yet, but I should. I find a real relaxation in viewing fractal art.

I can't tell you how to get to the point where the comment count doesn't bother you. I wish I could, but I think that's a journey you have to make for yourself. And it's different for everyone.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-05-03 04:02:30 +0000 UTC]

My problem is that there are very few of my fractals that I KNOW are good. I kind of go by the reaction of others (not completely, of course). I think the only way I'll get away from that is to develop more confidence in my work. The comment count doesn't bother me at all, by the way, when it isn't prominently displayed under every picture!

How interesting that someone is actually researching fractals and stress! I loved looking at fractals long before I had a clue about how to make them. I've met a lot of people here on dA whose stories show that making fractals also relieves stress. There are many people on here who have chronic illnesses or other stressful problems who say that making fractals has improved their lives greatly. It sure is a great escape! I just find it hard, myself, to keep my regular life going when I have this beautiful hobby that I could be doing.

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-05-03 04:33:44 +0000 UTC]

If you're interested... the way I'd fix that problem is I'd make art that *I* liked. And I'd do tutorials that I felt like doing. To be honest with you, and I might have already told you this, it was `ClaireJones tutorials that really helped me break through. They were the ones that really showed me how to do things the way I do them... which is very fluid. It was the techniques I learned there that allowed me to make "Layered Visions" and "Frog Toes" (which I'm rendering right now). I took so much away from those tutorials!

After I did her tutorials all of my fractals got better because I used the skills I'd learned there to change my fractals. One of the earliest things I did was to use a script, it was a plastic script made by someone called Liz. I believe it still works in 2.09... and if you don't have that version you can download it at sourceforge.net (I think it's .net, not .com). Also... I have some older versions that maybe I could send to you. I have the original 2.0. I think you HAVE to have that version for any of the later versions to work.

After that I have Apophysis204-JF2b. That was a version where you could use images in it... and I even have a tutorial where it showed you how to use images.

After that I have Apophysis205beta2zplus_cplus_r5. That version was the first one that incorporated a LOT of variations.

Then I have Apophysis206_3Dhack, which was the first version to go 3-D.

Then the other version I have before 7x is 2.09 and I use that one a lot. There's something not quite right with the mutation window in 7x and it bogs my computer down terribly. It also takes a lot more memory than 2.09 does. About the only thing I miss when I use 2.09 or an earlier one is the progress bar on 7x. Before that, one had to watch the time.

The reason I mention the earlier versions is I think scripts would help you and most of the scripts I like... the ones that give you a base but you have to work the fractal to make it what you want... don't work in 7x, but they do work in the earlier versions. If you are interested in any of this I can email it to you... or we can figure out something. The files one at a time aren't that large.

ARGHHH... this render is taking FOREVER... I'm doing it in Apo because it's one that won't work right in Chaotica. If I remember correctly, none of the gnarls in this series works right in Chaotica. Boo hiss! LOL I hate not being able to play in Apo while I'm rendering. And this render is down to 2 1/2 hours. It's been rendering for over 1/2 hour so far. Ugh.

Yes, I do think that is very true about fractals. There is something about the fractal shapes that really, really relaxed me... when I'm not getting uptight because I can't get it to do what I want, that is!

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-05-03 06:33:54 +0000 UTC]

Wow! We're running out of space here! Soon, our comments will have single-word lines! I like all the art that I make. I let it do what it wants. I don't try to make it do anything specific. The trouble is that each piece usually has one, or even a few, little imperfections that I wish it didn't. I often don't see these till the end, so I don't want to go back and change everything. I always worry that other people will judge me for the small imperfections. In reality, I don't know whether they even notice them. I'll be doing some Claire Jones tutorials for sure, as soon as I have a chance!
I really have too many versions of Apo! I could maybe add one or two more, but it might be wiser not to because of the trouble that results when trying to organize everything. I am very interested in what you say about using images in 204-JF2b! Was that like the DC_Image plugin for 7x? I've used the plugin (see [link] ), but I had no idea that there was something similar before. It sounds intriguing, and 204-JF2b is not one of the versions I have yet.
I have hundreds of scripts! I use them on all of my Apo versions, including 7x. There are usually a few versions of Apo in which a script won't work, but that's okay. Sometimes, it works incorrectly, giving new and different results! Fun, isn't it?
You gave me lots of interesting information here. I'm going to read it over once more. Thank you!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-05-03 19:41:27 +0000 UTC]

Huh? Running out of room? I don't understand that... or get it if you were joking. Color me dumb!

I sometimes let my fractals go where they might, but most of the time I'm the directing force behind the fractal and I make it do what I want it to do. If it doesn't, I go on to the next one. I won't waste my time on a flame that's not going to get me where I want to go. That was another thing `ClaireJones tutorials taught me. BTW, I don't know what her real name is, but it isn't Claire Jones.

What versions of Apo do you have? Not sure about the dc_image plugin and JF2b. From the little I know (and it's very little!) about the dc_image, it's a lot more subtle than JF2b. You'd probably have to see the tutorial to really know. As I remember it used a yellow rose and made a spiral out of it.

It's interesting about your scripts. I too have lots of them but I've found that my 7x isn't compatible with most of them. Maybe I need to unintstall and reinstall 7x if the scripts are working for you. Do you ever use the mutate window? And if so, how does it work for you? Maybe it's my Windows XP... Yeah... I'm an old dinosaur in that regard, but my work software won't work on Windows 7.

Hugs,
Anj

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-16 23:30:14 +0000 UTC]

I might. I have done a lot with 3-d yet... just because I feel there is so much to explore in 2-d. BUT... I'd like to try it and see if I have a difficult time.

For example... `SaTaNiA makes beautiful tutorial, but his are hard to understand sometimes. He leaves out things that even I, as a more experienced user, think should not have been left out. I've floundered with his tuts a lot. He has one for gnarl though, that I want to try. One... I think it was his Neon Julian one, was missing a whole step that should have been in there. I only figured it out because I looked really hard at the graphics in his tutorial and found it there. He never mentioned it.

Another thing you might want to try is scripts... not to use the script and keep exactly the same thing, but to learn what transforms go were and do what. Usually, though, I like to learn how to make a certain fractal type from the beginning before I use scripts. But scripts can help teach how to tweak things a bit to get different results.

I'm going to be in an out tonight. I fell today on my left hip and it was bad enough I took a pain killer right away. It's helping some, but I need to get up and walk around so I don't stiffen too badly.

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-17 01:45:05 +0000 UTC]

I don't think Apo's 3D will give you any difficulty, Anj. There are only a few settings. Pitch and Yaw are the ones I use the most. Pitch just flips the image toward you or away from you. Yaw twirls it, much like "rotation." You can try out these settings with any flame that you know well and see what happens. I'm a bit of a script addict! That's because, until recently, I had little knowledge of how to tweak. Now I'm interested in working without scripts too. How is your hip doing? I had a mammoth gardening session yesterday and can hardly move today!

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-17 03:50:16 +0000 UTC]

Hip is doing a little better. And thank you for asking. Wow.. those gardening sessions will make you ache! All that bending over or being on your knees. Is yours a flower garden or a vegetable garden?

Thank you for the vote of confidence on the 3-d stuff. I guess I just need to give it a whirl... and who knows... maybe I'll become addicted to it. I doubt that but it's a possibility.

Tweaking can be so many things. I like to move transforms, rotate them, flip them. Most people think of tweaking as changing the values of the variations. I do that some... I think it's kind of an intuitive process for me. Did you know that you can put your cursor over the word part of the variation and drag it up or down? It took me a long time to figure that one out when I started and now it's the method I use to change the variations.

Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-17 04:35:08 +0000 UTC]

Hi Anj,
I have a flower garden with some herbs, trees, and bushes. Do you garden too? Didn't I read somewhere that you have a lot of land? (Was that you?) Forgive me, but I'm so envious! That would be my life's dream.

Flipping transforms is something I haven't tried yet. How do you do that? I keep forgetting about the triangles. (Naughty fractal1!) I do drag the numbers up and down. Was it ever neat to disvcover that! You probably know that double-clicking in the number area will change a zero to a one and back again? If someone wants to learn Apo, they only need to come to this page, right?

Rosalinde

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anjaleck In reply to fractal1 [2012-04-17 05:06:39 +0000 UTC]

LOL... you are right. Our conversation would help a lot of people start Apo. Yes, I knew about double clicking.

Flipping transforms is easy because it's just a click on the top of the window. The two solid right triangles beside each other flip them horizontally and the two above and below flip them vertically. I think I ran across an option some where to flip all the triangles at once, but I can't remember where it is right now.
Hugs,
Anj

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fractal1 In reply to anjaleck [2012-04-17 17:29:25 +0000 UTC]

How exciting! I found those triangles! There are all kinds of symbols up there that I've never used. It's definitely time I started using them. You're a great teacher, Anj!

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