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Published: 2019-04-25 21:54:30 +0000 UTC; Views: 3743; Favourites: 52; Downloads: 1
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Aaaa, I did not compose this with color schemes in mind... I was never good at that kind of thing and being away from the stylus for years at a time is doing me no favors.I've never drawn any of these Pokémon before. Well, okay, I drew a gijinka Meganium once, but that doesn't count. I probably would have given up on this picture entirely if I tried to draw them all Sugimori-style like I usually do when I draw Pokémon, so we have them here in a style closer to my own. The new guys were kinda fun to draw here, actually.
Nonnie's Brain: What time is it? Late o' Clock? Perfect time to post something topical!
Just tossing my eighth-generation Pokémon starter fanart into the barrel here. We still don't know what those three are going to evolve into yet as of this writing, but I'm pretty sure that a mono-Grass Grookey and a mono-Water Sobble will be welcomed with open arms. Not so for a Fire/Fighting Scorbunny, despite all three having been seen thrice already.
*** RANT FOLLOWS ***
Why all the hate for Fire/Fighting type starters? There have been just as many mono-Grass and mono-Water starters as there have been Fire/Fighting ever since Diamond and Pearl, yet no one complains about the Grass-types and the Water-types not getting secondary types. Why do the Fire-type starters suffer such intense scrutiny?
I believe the main cause for this type combination getting all the hate it does is that it showed up in three consecutive generations, but there's probably something deeper than that.
When Ruby and Sapphire came out, did anyone say "Mudkip had better get a second type when it evolves"? When Diamond and Pearl came out, did anyone say that about Turtwig? Why did we all give a collective groan when we saw that Emboar gained the Fighting type, but no one made a peep when Serperior and Samurott in the very same generation never developed a second type?
Is it because of a bias toward secondary types?
Did we put Blaziken on so high a pedestal that all Fire-type starters are getting compared to it?
Maybe it's nothing to do with that. Maybe it's because the Fire/Fighting hat trick cut so deeply that the wounds still haven't healed. I could understand it in X/Y, when Fennekin had the potential to make it four in a row. I suppose Incineroar hit a little too close to home with its wrestler design, despite being Dark-type. But Emboar, the last Fire/Fighting starter, was three generations ago now. Can't we move on?
I will confess to a bit of a knee-jerk reaction regarding Fire/Fighting type starters, myself, but that's just it. A reflex. (Though the irrational dislike I've always had for the Fighting type in general isn't helping.) Yes, three generations in a row can burn someone out. But please, don't think less of Scorbunny's evolution, whatever it may be, just because it may be Fighting-type. It wouldn't be fair to Grookey or Sobble -- all three have the potential to make their type combination comprise exactly half of all starters of their base type.
(Useless related information: I was going to list the runners-up in the main-series games, but it's a thirteen-way tie for second at one appearance each! Only mono-Grass, Fire/Fighting, and mono-Water have ever appeared on multiple fully-evolved starters! (And before anyone brings it up... Greninja with the Protean ability doesn't count.))
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Master-Of-Dreams [2019-04-26 03:57:28 +0000 UTC]
First off - nicely done.
Second - I understand your rant
Third - I had not noticed that each of the starters have the same final type combination half the time until you mentioned it.
Fourth - I would like to provide my own thoughts on the matter if you don't mind. After giving it some thought, I guess the main reason I groan at the thought of another Fire/Fighting starter while I don't mind mono-grass and mono-water to the point that I hadn't even noticed all comes back to one thing - diversity. If a starter's evolution is mono-type, there are a number of different directions that the design can go in while still holding true to its previous forms and I like that factor of variety/unpredictability. It's exciting to think about and makes each one unique to look at even if grouped together. When that Fighting Type is thrown in, however, all those different ideas get thrown out because that type's history has doomed all starters to the same general characteristics. It's gotten boring seeing the same thing again and again from the Fire Starters and it's why even after it was announced that Incineroar was Fire/Dark and not Fire/Fighting that I was still disappointed.
That's just me though.
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anonymityingrey In reply to Master-Of-Dreams [2019-04-26 15:50:53 +0000 UTC]
You bring a valid point about the designs. I hadn't thought about it like that. However, it does bring a new argument to light.
One can't really call it a problem now since we haven't had one fit that design since Gen 4, but do you realize how many bulky quadrupedal reptiles we have in the Grass type? It wouldn't be a stretch to even call Torterra a saurian like Venusaur and Meganium before it. And yet no one really complained. Is it because they were all different types?
Why are we focusing on the Fire/Fighting types? A type might help direct a design, but that's not the sole determiner. To me, Swampert looks no less like a Fighting-type than Emboar does. I can similarly compare Greninja and Infernape. Incineroar even proved that a Pokémon doesn't have to be of the Fighting type to have a design evocative of it, and Crabrawler (non-starter, I know) has shown us a Fighting-type far out of line with the type's "standard" design. It's not really fair to pin the blame on the type alone, and yet we all seem to do so anyway.
We do have something to complain about. We're just complaining about the wrong thing.
Makes me wonder what would happen if Game Freak came out with a Fire/Fighting starter with a non-humanoid build.
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Master-Of-Dreams In reply to anonymityingrey [2019-04-26 18:28:22 +0000 UTC]
"You bring a valid point about the designs. I hadn't thought about it like that". Thank you for that.
In my reply, I will once again be speaking from my own view and thoughts on the matter and would like to begin by saying that our definition of how similar and in what ways Starters can be before there is an issue are likely to vary.
Greninja and Infernape do share some similar characteristics now that you have mentioned it and I will admit that Venusaur and Torterra do have a very similar design. Allow me to explain why these comparisons you made do not get me annoyed as much.
Greninja and Infernape - The one's primary type is water and the other's primary type is fire. These radically different types being at the core of their designs make it so that it is almost impossible for me to look at them casually and notice the similarities.
Venusaur and Torterra - There were two generations of grass starters between these two that went in enough of a different direction for me from Venusaur and each other that by the time Torterra was introduced it felt like the first time seeing it again.
As for Meganium vs Venusaur and/or Torterra, the big difference in my eyes is their -for lack of a better word- presentation. Like how it might take you a while to realize that person you saw in the supermarket with a rat's nest for hair, a bathrobe, slippers and a scowl was actually the smiling supermodel you saw at a high-end charity dinner earlier that week (specific example I know but it's the best comparison/explanation I can make).
It is the fact that since the third generation we have only had one fire starter that doesn't match the description of a "fire powered biped that is probably a master of some human combat method and can kick your butt as it sees fit" that is my main problem and the Fire/Fighting combination was used for the majority of those Pokemon as well as the one that started it so in my mind the two have become entwined.
People, myself included, saw Incineroar's design and immediately said "Ugh, not another Fire/Fighting type." before even looking at the type because up until then we had only seen that sort of design in Fire/Fighting. Later learning that Incineroar didn't have this type combo and was actually Fire/Dark didn't automatically make me like it more. If Game Freak DID design a Fire/Fighting starter that broke this mold then it would likely be a welcomed addition for me.
"We do have something to complain about. We're just complaining about the wrong thing." This is very true. The type combination has kind of become an unwitting accomplice and scapegoat.
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