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Another-Realm β Hate is a Problem, not Harmless Stuff
#bigotry #fandom #fetishes #fiction #hate #healthy #shipping #undertale
Published: 2017-08-26 04:03:38 +0000 UTC; Views: 4988; Favourites: 81; Downloads: 1
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Update 11/3/2018 Just in case, I made some changes to another sentence or maybe it was the same sentence. Update done.
Update 4/2/2018 I maybe changed one sentence below this somewhere. Update done.
Note this is for harmless legal fandom in some places for it and the only hate that is fine is if it's legit non-biased criticism or any other type addressing a very serious issue.
I guess one thing that made me make this was that Kotaku article talking about the drama involving the Undertale fandom and what really sucked about it was how the writer acted like "disturbing" art is a "problem" or even "toxic". And yeah, I think I'm gonna use Undertale as a big example. There is even a picture of that one guy on the stamp!
Guess what you offended idiots? The stuff you are seeing isn't effecting your life. Just because you are so disturbed by someone legally sexualizing an anthropomorphic goat, a legal fictional pairing involving two consenting people, or any other legal harmless expression, that doesn't mean your opinion is right.
All this "disturbing" stuff is NOT effecting YOUR life, and it's not stopping anyone from enjoying anything in a fandom.
What IS cancer (well, not literally cancer but you know) is hate. It's not even a full opinion, it actually DOES damage a fandom!
Hate leads to judging others directly, and can cause people to less enjoy a fandom.
- Telling someone to stop expressing a ship can directly cause problems toward the person.
- Labeling his/her art as a "problem" causes many others to be unhappy.
- Hate can even cause new people to never be into the fictional show/game/movie because the person can't be himself/herself with it.
- Judging someone for expressing themselves causes problems.
- Mocking others out of hate (e.g. cringe videos mocking someone's gallery because it's different) can cause the artist to feel bad and possibly close the account.
Suggesting a fandom to be "good" by restricting everything to "canon" and "normal" is UNHEALTHY and IS a form of "cancer".
I already lost faith into humanity, and I guess it's possible I can still lose even more after seeing all the stupid talk about this Undertale fandom and any other fandom that are just being happy with harmless things.
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Other examples of a legit problem:
- Harassing someone.
- Attempting to really hurt someone in it.
- Telling someone to commit suicide.
Some of this might also be hate too.
The only interesting thing about Undertale is that some characters are children, and some are just siblings.
But it's still a fictional thing. Especially over a consenting relationship. Calling a consenting relationship wrong is wrong.
But even outside those reasons, many people just consider anything not canon a "problem" and just because they are "weird" or "disturbing".
Maybe even if something is canon sometimes.
You know what? I'm just gonna say this to piss those idiots off:
"The adult goat fell in love with me, ...oh and we had kinky sex. The end."
All the "normal" shit you like is no better or worse. Stop being a bigot.
Sex, shipping, non-canon sex and non-canon shipping, vore, fetishes, as long if harmless and many other harmless things don't make a fandom bad, HATE does. You don't like it so bad, then turn off the internet.
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So true.
Ships are just ships.
Haters: "WAHH YOUR AN AUTISTIC CANCER FAGGOT, KILL YOURSELF"
Yeeeeeah, i dont see fandoms saying that.
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i know this is serious but
the fucking sans head in the cORNER IM WHEEZING ITS HILARIOUS
"hey kiddo what'cha up to"
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Alas you have spoken truth my lord.
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Can someone PLEASE show this to Gaymrl and his band of white knights?
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thank you
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By hate, I meant hate against non-threatening and harmless things.
Hating hate is fine. Which is a little ironic, I know. lol
Though when it comes to nazis, I don't suggest hating them as people. Just whatever bad thing or more bad things they have with them.
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but criticism builds character and make people better (also hate speech is free speech)
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Saying "That ship is bad because it's not my kind of thing and I find it weird" is not criticism. Good criticism is supposed to accept something for what it is and making it even better, not destroy it unless the thing itself is actually bad. Anything that promotes harm is bad for example.
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I criticize ships for being pedophilic or incestΒ
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Still probably not a good argument. For example where is a legit argument that two adult relationships wearing condoms are bad under incest? And where is a valid argument that fictional "pedophile" is bad? No real victim is harmed and true morals is about being against anything that violates the will of another.
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Being irrational doesn't give you a valid argument. If you are against two HAPPY adults being together involving "incest" then you have a problem.
And if you're against a pedophile's freedom to live without offending, then you have even more of a problem.
If you are on one or more of what I listed, then you are against natural basic freedom, and that's...
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So are you an incestuous pedophile?
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Made up, but no? Even if I was, that doesn't change the logic here. If you have a problem with victimless and fictional pairings, then you are against basic human rights and that's just morally wrong.
I know there are laws but I'm just arguing in morality terms.
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Just because theyβre βvictimless and fictionalβ doesnβt mean I canβt criticize them. Itβs the Internet, people can criticize what they want. And how does me not liking certain pairings make me βagainst basic human rightsβ? That makes no sense. Actually, the very things you love so much are against basic human rights. Pedophilia violates human rights because children cannot give consent, while most incest is non-consensual, abusive, and based on power imbalances. Actually, there are a lot of people who get extremely uncomfortable with incest and pedophilia ships because they themselves were victims and they hate seeing their trauma being romanticized and fetishized. So yes, it CAN be harmful.
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It's not criticism. You might have the free speech unless you do violate laws with it, but however, I DO argue that discrimination toward those different with fetishes should be legally hate speech. Anyway, when you are "against" victimless and not threatening, then yes, you have a mind to violate basic rights. Especially if you keep harassing those who express themselves of something harmless and victimless. That's bullying and it's already possibly trying to violate their basic rights. At the very least, you don't respect basic rights.
What I love so much are not against basic human rights. Not into legit pedophile pictures, but I argue that making a fictional victimless thing does not violate anyone's rights. Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. Making a fictional picture of a fictional child hurts no one, and to say it "does" is completely illogical.
Some incest can be consensual between two adults, which alone, is not violating rights. Pedophile is only an attraction which is also victimless.
"because they themselves were victims and they hate seeing their trauma being romanticized and fetishized. So yes, it CAN be harmful." So if I got reminded of rape because of your icon, then maybe your picture is hurting other people then?
Seriously to say that a picture "hurts" someone because some victims got reminded of something or hates seeing something is stupid. A picture like two cups marrying each other does not violate their rights. Get over it.
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Then stop getting butthurt when someone discriminates you for homosexuality then.
You hate human rights, and you sound really butthurt whenever someone disagrees with you. You just like to think EVERYTHING you say is "criticism" as a way of being "right" when it's not. You have millions of flaws.
You deserve to be publicly shamed and imprisoned if you think cyberbullying someone for a victimless crime is "acceptable". Get over it.
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if your would view is so alien that you not understand the problem with people making pedophilic porn then there is no way to have this conversation though I doubt you think this is the case your just saying these thing to cover your sjw assΒ
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I get ignored for the defense of fictional incest part... ok.
Trust me, I'm probably very smart, though not perfect. Society in this world is really stupid in general and I can't find any valid legit reason against anything fictional and isn't a legit problem. It's just opinion, nothing else. If a fictional porn is not hurting anyone and isn't any threat, then where is the excuse against it? Emotion, popular opinion, and/or "labels" are not good arguments. If you're against it, then you're against freedom as being against it violates the will of another.
You're the SJW.
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I would be very upset if it was censored in some way but that has nothing to do with me calling them outΒ
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Don't you mean treating your opinions as facts?
Calling someone out for some harmless thing is basically like calling someone out for preferring the color blue instead of yellow. It's not criticism, it's bias and probably bigoted.
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how can words hurt explain to me how words can hurt someoneΒ
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Trying to shame a homosexual for being homosexual, can actually hurt others. It may cause anxiety, depression, and/or other pain reactions.
Not sure if I claimed something was hurting, but that's my reaction.
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that's objectifying them because it view gay people as not being able to handle reality people say bad stuff to me and it's not damagingΒ
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I don't trust Kotaku. Most articles on there are by SJWs complaining about the gaming community instead of people who genuinely like games.
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Actually it is. I don't care about fandom's, but shipping has gotten awful. And even if it's just a fandom it'll make you think it's okay with real people, and then you start getting violent when people disagree. And don't say "but I'm not one of them lol", because EVERYONE says that, and they end up starting arguments, and then they get so obsessed with it they get physical.
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I've always found shipping weird, but ultimately harmless. I always wonder why, however why someone would ship two completely fictional characters together, and why many people feel so passionate about it, however I can understand why someone might do it, there's always people who think two other people would make a great couple, granted I myself never do this, but I can understand why other people would do this, and I gues O could extwnd the reasoning to fictional charecters aswel, I still find it strange thou.
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That's your opinion, not a fact. Just because you're disturbed by a fiction or you like to hate it based off fear, that doesn't mean you're right automatically.
Besides, I do think consenting incest should be legal because being against it violates freedom.
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"that's your opinion, not a fact"
Is someone slapping another person an opinion? No, it isn't.
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So I can't disagree because "opinion"?
Besides, aren't you slapping other people for theirs? (e.g. a fictional ship)
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No, I am not slapping you for it im saying you shouldn't need to obsess it to the point you feel the need to make this stamp
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It's not an "obsession", it's a natural fear and concern for the right to personal freedom.
Besides, you tried to argue me about the whole ship, not this I think.
If you disagree with people's freedom then naturally people are allowed to defend their freedom and the right to be like everyone else with freedom of expression as long if it's safe and legal.
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"If I disagree with people's freedom."
Okay, let me rewrite the entire fucking comment.
Once upon a time there was an actor with a problem. He was gay. Now, to some people this isn't too bad, but at the time most of society disagreed with this. He thought all day and all night about whether he should do it or not, and one day he finally came out. But all of his fans, as he learned, thought he would look cute with a different actor than the one he chose, and they got angry. So they all would yell about how wrong he was and make fights with people who stood up for him, and went as far as making a group who's entire purpose was to get them together. For a long time this continued, and it took an eternity to finally die down. But they're relationship with eachother has been shakes ever since.
Is THAT the kind of shipping your thinking of? No? Well it's the HEART of the shipping your thinking of.
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I'm saying disagreeing and criticizing someone who has a problem with personal freedom is not wrong. Though I'm not saying it's OK to act violently, but freedom of speech to stand up for the right to express harmless stuff based off natural differences is a right.
Problems happen the moment someone disagree with a harmless life style. People divide other people because some just has a very big problem over a fictional non-canon ship for example.
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Okay, apparently I have to rewrite ANOTHER comment.
IF YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO MAKE IT FICTIONAL YOUR BRAIN WILL MAKE YOU THINK IT'S OKAY FOR REAL SHIPPING
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