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What the hell do you think cavemen wore? Or, you know, every single fucking human ever before we learned clothing can be made from plants, too.For all the butthurt kiddies crying about hunting for fur being unnatural and wrong.
EDIT: People seem to be entirely missing the fucking point of this stamp. I'm not sure WHY everyone keeps going "FUR IS WRONG" and "Wasting the rest of the animal".
... where did the ANIMAL come up? This is about HUNTING. Not the actual HARVEST or USE of the whatever. I'm talking about the dumbass argument PETArds use against fur that makes no sense. CAN WE STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE OKAY
I mean seriously guys someone who's against fur clothing/taxidermy agreed that using an animal's fur is natural.
So it is possible to, you know, DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING AND STILL UNDERSTAND IT.
I think a few people need to understand THAT. /end edit
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Lol, I'm not attacking you. And it's not my fault that you didn't make your stance clear. If you think I was being rude or disrespectful you've got an other thing coming to you, and might I suggest that you grow thicker skin if I've somehow managed to offend you?
Wow, that was a...horrible comparison. And again this was a dead 'argument' which you decided to bring up again, which is much different than a history book or a piece of art in a gallery...
And this is a difference of opinion really. There's no need to debate it, because quite frankly, you aren't going to change my mind on the issue and I am clearly not going to change yours.
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I agree with this. I don't think that killing anything for something that is uneeded is right. I don't think there is anything wrong with hunting if you use EVERYTHING on the animal, and take only what you need
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Yes, very natural. Nothing is wrong with it.
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I understand your point, but I do not agree. Just because something has been used for generations does not mean its entirely natural. Even though you hold a good point, my belief is that the world would be better if hunting were less frequent. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with regulated hunting, but the truth is that we hunt alot more often then we should. Not only that, but we tend to target out the strongest animal when we hunt. This often leaves a pack, herd, ect dissabled. THIS is the main reson I don't approve of hunting in general. For fur or not for fur.
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Just saying, sure, its natural for humans, but no other species hunts animals for their fur...
Also, if we KEEP hunting wolves for fur (or w/e other animal) to much, they will die off, and we will not be able to hunt them for their wonderful fur anymore.
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Yeah the twits in our country wiped out practically all our large carnivores causing a population boom in a lot of other animals - there is a reason they need to be maintained - and that is also man made problems. At the end of the day, human beings are selfish - always will be.
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Selfishness is in human nature, unfortunately
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Well yes, but wolves will go under protection soon enough. You know, hunting isn't even the problem for that. xD Poaching and Furfarms are.
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that's the reason you have to buy tags to hunt them.Fish & wildlife services estimate the populations and approve a certain amount of animals of each species to be killed each season to keep them in check,once those tags have been filled no more are allowed to be killed off, they are also VERY strict about this and killing an animal without a tag in most cases will send you straight to jail,so seeing as wolves aren't even close to going extinct that shouldn't happen anytime soon.
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We could always think about using fake fur. It disgusts me when I see a fox pelt, or wolf pelt jacket, hat and etc. but I guess thats just me.
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fake fur is actually really horrible for the environment,it's just tiny pieces of plastic, only with this you cant recycle it simply because it's so small,it doesn't disintegrate and an animal might think that it's possible to eat it,animal eating plastic = a painful death,with fur however there are items that are over 100 years old and still in good useable condition, and if left on the ground they would disintegrate over time because they're exposed to the elements (if an animal found it before it did and ate it though,it likely wouldn't suffer any side affects)
fur isn't always for fashion purposes either,it rivals the best man made products for keeping warm and works pretty much anywhere you can think of.
wolf pelts aren't used for jackets very often,we use fox because we can farm them (and before you say anything fur farms DO put everything to use,not just the fur.)
anyway IMO if we have to kill an animal for population control,or to protect our lively hood and families,the least we could do to respect the animal is use as much as we can from it,whether it be fur meat or bones,and what we don't/cant use we make sure someone else who can is able to (over here we leave the bodies of animal we cant eat in the field,they're usually carried off by something the next day)
sorry about the bad grammar/spelling,just pulled an all nighter so im a bit tired XD;
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Ah, well yes... but have you ever seen the fox farms? I've seen a video where they skinned every animal alive, and didn't give a shit. Slaughter houses slit throats and let them bleed to death... Just because they're not as smart as humans, doesn't mean they can't feel pain.
But I shouldn't be talking about the issue, I'm not educated enough on this to be debating.
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if you're referring to the raccoon dog video yes i have seen that,its in CHINA and likely staged,they don't have the same animal welfare laws over there so all it would take is for someone to go out there with a camera pay a poor fur farmer extra money and advertise it as an everyday thing,not that hard to do,ive also heard that you can hear people in the background saying "why is he doing it like that?" i don't speak Chinese though so ofcourse i can't say if it's true or not,but it's gotten around quite a bit and most Americans don't speak Chinese so it could very well be true,it's not the first time it would be done either.
there was an incident with a group where they staged a video of a dolphin being killed,in the uncut version you can hear the camera man encouraging the person killing the animal to make more blood,if i remember correctly he said something about how the public goes nuts for a lot of blood.
there was also a video of a fox with exposed bone on it's leg,turned out to be a fake,pretty easy to see through that one though anyway,the 'bone' was way to clean and the animal showed absolutely no signs of pain or stress.
also,even with the videos that are legitimate that only counts for a very small percentage of the trade and is NOT common practice (these days most people will just call out a vet to euthanize fur animals) saying that's normal for the fur trade would be like making Michal Vick the poster child for dog ownership,it simply isn't true.
another thing to take into account is that it's hard enough to skin an animal while it's dead,alive would not only be inefficient for work,but dangerous seeing as if a person got injured the company would really suffer for it,it simply isnt practical
no,slaughter houses use bolt guns for large animals,if it's used properly (which despite what the media says,it usually is) death is instant.
if your talking about chickens though, the two most humane ways to kill a chicken are 1.chopping the head clean off with one hit of a knife/axe and 2.cutting a vein in the neck while upside down and letting the blood drain,with this way they lose so much blood that they just end up falling into a 'death sleep' where they just dont wake up,most people tend to think that blood = massive amounts of pain but it all depends on the way it's done,just gotta know what your doing
on a last note i am aware they feel pain,id be an idiot if i thought otherwise,if i pull a sticker out of my dog hair and she screams then of course she feels pain,that's why i always go for a clean shot when hunting and if i cant get one then i leave the animal for another day,even my dad's step dad will trap the coyotes that kill his cattle in a live cage and take the time to get a clean shot to the head,keep in mind that's an animal that STEALS from him,just because someone is in the business of killing animals doesn't mean they use the most painful ways to kill them.more often then not they'll go out of there way to avoid that.
sorry about the wall of text,got really carried away 0_0; i wont expect you to read all of it,i don't think i would myself XD ive been around it so i guess im kinda educated on it,defiantly no expert though.
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lmao thats long.
KAY
1) no. it was not a raccoon dog video, and I have never seen that.
2) watch "the cove" it is a real video on how they slaughter dolphins. Find it on netflix or something. It made me cry.
3) it was not a bone, they crushed the foxes skull and i watched the blood squirt out. They also beat the fox untill he was limp, then skinned him/her, and they did to many others.
4) Yeah, they use those bolt things which sometimes 'instantly kill'. On the same video, I saw more then half of the time the workers half way do it and just jab them in the neck untill they die, rather then the head, which tortured them. Also, only some do the bolt rods. Some grind them alive, others slit their throat and hang them up side down and watch them struggle and bleed.
and 5) yes, true.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET OFF THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE IM ABOUT TO BAWL MY EYES OUT AND BLARG
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it's anal electrocution - it's how they normally do it 
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There was also a bolt thingy to the head. But yes, sad :<
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yes i know bad stuff happens in the trade,and the places that do that should either be fixed and monitored or shut down,but the majority of the trade is not like that,that's not opinion either,that's a fact.
look hard enough and you can find cruelty anywhere in anything,in some places it's just easier,and again it's not hard to stage something,find someone who needs the money bad enough and the rest is easy,and as said before groups have tried to twist the public to their side with setups so many times it's not even funny,before thinking the footage as a normal approved practice find out everything you can about it,where it was filmed how it conflicts with the trade's laws and most importantly,who filmed it,if it was a group like PETA or another animal rights group,well, lets just say their word is as reliable as a blind man's directions.
the places that don't instantly kill should as said above be fixed and monitored or shut down,the people who didn't get the quick kill were probably just inexperienced,needed a job, and shouldn't have been there in the first place,depending on how they did it it's possible that how they went about it wasn't even legal.
with a proper setup and following the laws like a majority of those places do, it's not that hard to avoid.
grinding them alive would ruin everything and make them pretty much useless,and as said before with knives there are approved methods that don't cause the animal pain,look up USDA laws for butchering,all the answers to what is and isn't acceptable for legal livestock slaughter are there.this is a very nice video that explains how things should work and what the experience should look like from the animal's point of view view [link] [link] you don't have to watch it but apart from the quick proper use of the tools its not graphic.
oh i know that feeling all to well XD sorry about that, i don't mind dropping it
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The fact of the matter is, the more people advocate the use of fur, the more those fur farms will get more business, and no one can deny those fur farms are nothing short of torture chambers.
By promoting the use of fur, people who buy it don't think of the source often (even more those on the "fashion" labels - they will buy it regardless.
Now I have no problem with hunting if it's for meat - then you may as well just use the rest of it however specifically for it's fur. No thank you. Not to mention I think trapping is inhumane.
And as to the comment the other person made about fake fur - in a lot of cases - fake fur isn't actually synthetic, it's cat and dog fur from the above mentioned Chinese fur farms
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xD if I could find the link to the main video, I would link it.
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lol don't get me wrong i know there's some bad places out there,all im saying is don't judge a group by a few of it's idiots.
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Wow, actually that's true lol. sorry for wasting your time
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you didn't waste my time XD it's always cool to hear what other people think :3
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I think hunting for fur is wrong but I never thought it was unnatural. Just like I don't think eating meat is evil dispite the fact I'm a vegetarian. I mean, if eating meat was so bad, we wouldn't have been born with canine teeth.
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Then why are you a vegatarian?
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The natives did it. but now we have malls. No use for fur anymore.
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We still have a use for fur, its resiliant and warm, and really one of the best options in very cold climates. But yeah, like I said to Romaniya, I didnt phrase this stamp very well for one thing and for another, I dont really actually agree with the message its portraying on the surface. xD;; Im leaving it up just in case someone else is using it.
Also I have to be a smartass and point out that some malls carry fur clothing
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I see what you did there :b
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People started using fur when they LOST their natural instinct and started to act on intelligence instead. So it's not natural to use fur. Fur is meant for the animal that's born with; that's the purpose of fur; to keep that animal warm. People moved to colder places where they aren't supposed to be (proof is that our skin can't keep us warm there). So wearing fur because of that reason still is not natural, nor neccecary.
Not to mention that cavemen did not hunt for fur, but meat. The remains were thrown away until they started to act on intelligence instead and decided to use the remains. Still there were no animals killed ecspecially for fur.
Oh, did I mention the human-being-apes-with-their-OWN-fur part?
Wearing fur is unnatural, so I have to agree with the people who said the same about your stamp. Fur is natural for animals. Not for humans.
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Honestly my feelings have changed since I made this stamp. Hunting for fur isn't necessarily or at all natural, it depends on the location to some extent, and things like that. I wish I hadn't realized this days after posting the stamp (d'oh. xD). Plus it isn't really that clear, since if someone encountered this stamp on someone's page, they wouldn't see the artist's comments, where most of the info actually is. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THIS STAMP and I wish I'd seen them before I posted it. /fail
However, using fur is natural, since its intelligent and economical to use every part of an animal that you've killed, for whatever reason.
I'm pondering changing this to "using" instead of "hunting for", but since I dunno if anyone might be using it, I'm probably gonna leave it. xD;
(also, sidenote: your new icon is adorable)
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Oh. Okay. Well I had that once, too. I made a stamp, but then people proved me the opposite. This happned several times to me, too.
I deleted some of my stamps for this reason or edited them.
I made a stamp that said "stamps can't be art" but someone proved me that some could, so I deleted my stamp.
I also edited some other stamps because people proved me the opposite.
I also got advice from friends and people to change the image in this one [link] because it kinda looks fake + change the typography, so I'll dot that soon, too.
Fur is only natural when you're born with it.
Otherwise you might as well say that machineguns, tanks, mass-prodution, money etc are natural.
And thanks, your icon is cute, too! My icon was made by ~Lionpikmin
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I think that killing an animal for fur if your a caveman or someone from a tribe or something is OK... if you need it to survive then, yeah. go ahead.
But I still find things like taxidermy and fluffy boots kind of pointless... number one, it freaks me out. Number two, we don't need it to survive now that we have more humane methods of making clothing... using plants instead of animals is much better for the modern day, I think...
I dunno. I'm tired so that probably makes no sense at all.
I wont shove my opinion down your throat if you dont shove it down mine, mmk? c:
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Well, regardless if we need to hunt for survival or not, we still need to hunt to keep the population down. Would you rather a wolf pelt be thrown out all together after a culling hunt, or would you rather it be used for something moderately useful like..a fur coat? And taxidermy while it may be creepy kind of..shows what the animal did in its life. I think its better than just letting an animal go to waste. Just my two cents.
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Well I think before we do anything else, we need to keep our own population down... and yeah. i guess it is better to use something than to throw it out... but if you don't need it don't bother getting it in the first place... 
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...Our population is not a valid point. Humans are superior. And we are working on our population, but not by hunting each other.
Again, we need to hunt to keep a balance. We're not just killing animals because we can. We're doing it because we need to.
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but isn't it better to just let nature take its course and do whatever... then again, we've interfered too much already to stop now. Maybe if we hadn't been so greedy in the first place hunting wouldn't be such a big issue and this argument wouldn't be happening.
I'm just gunna quit this now. Lol.
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Yup..what ifs aren't a good argument to have.
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Lols instant fav!!!!
If you can't understand that hunting is a vital part of the circle of life, then you probably don't really care about the animals very much. You would probably just like them because they're cute and furry and don't like blood. If you don't like hunting that's fine but at least understand that it still serves a ligit purpose. Lols I agree with you 100%!!!
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No I understand it's purpose, but generally if the human race didn't feel the overwhelming need to impose their own population control, build on their habits, ruin food sources causing a loss in others whilst causing some populations to boom, generally they would regulate themselves as the earth would, given half the chance.
And you're incorrect, I don't just like the cute and fluffy ones - I also care about plant life (yes there are endangered plants) and generally all types of taxa (species) in case you wasn't aware.
Personally, I find it very annoying when people only care about the cute fluffy little bunny rabbits with very little awareness of the much larger picture.
As humans we were not meant to adapt the earth to suit our needs, we should be adapting to the earth to help it's needs. Everything is dependent on everything else, life itself is a delicate balance, which needs to be preserved.
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even animals like the pelts 
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There's no doubt that it's natural, but I still don't think it's ok in this day & age. We don't need fur anymore. Don't waste the whole animal for just a coat.
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This stamp isn't addressing anything about whether its wrong or right, or what happens with the rest of the animal. xD I agree with you that the entire animal should be used, though.
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i heard that some people use the bones for science, art, or medicine in some places of the world where they hunt for fur.
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the medicine is usually parts of animals that are facing extinction - tigers, types of bear things like that. This is wholly unrelated but I wanted my two cents in there.
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Since when was it wasting a whole animal for a coat specifically? Farming for fur is wrong, using fur from a hunted carcass is making use of it.
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