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AtheosEmanon — Adoption will NOT solve the abortion problem
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Published: 2012-08-15 05:35:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 11028; Favourites: 154; Downloads: 11
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Numbers are accurate as of August 15, 2012 when this was postedA common Anti-choice aka Pro-life Argument is that every person who has an abortion is selfish and just should give them up for adoption because we can adopt out all of the fetuses that are aborted...
Let us look at the numbers, shall we?
Average numbers of abortions per year in America: 1 million plus
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ind…
www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
-abortion 73 is an anti-Abortion site, I figured if this has similar numbers to the other site no one would claim that it is biased towards pro-choicers …
Average number of adoptions per year in America: 122,000
According to the Administration for Children & Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
This of course is on top of the 400,540 that are currently in foster care system according to the Administration for Children and Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
As well as the 150K kids that enter the system every year permanently [the system gets 450-600k+ kids enter the foster care system every year, the bulk of these children do eventually return home after a short period of time in the system; yet 150K of them are never returned home and stay in the system:
Administration for Children & Families: www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
Children Rights website: www.childrensrights.org/issues…
^^Looking at just this, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE 400k PLUS CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM, if you just look at the 150K + kids who go into the system permanently EACH YEAR, vs the number of kids who are adopted out EACH year [122K], that is still a net positive number of over 28,000 kids that will go into the system and stay each year even after you deduct the number of adoptions.
While not all, many “pro life” people love to demonize people who believe a woman should have the choice as pro-abortion, which could not be further from the truth. I do not know anyone who is pro abortion in a serious way of KILL ALL FETUSES, NO MATTER WHAT. On the contrary, I believe that something should be done to decrease the numbers of unwanted pregnancies, not just abortions.
For me, I believe education is the key to all things on this.
What is it that we know? Schools that have an in depth sex education course in their curriculum, after a few years of the program being implemented had a decrease in teen pregnancy, as well as a rise on the average age that the kids have sex, [meaning both males and females wait just a bit longer before having sex]
www.plannedparenthood.org/file…
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Tee…
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…
I am not just speaking of sex education because what else do we know, in America? In general the more intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to family plan, as well as the more intelligent a person is in general the least amount of kids they will likely have.
www.asanet.org/press/20100223/…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilit…
Everyone knows that as many of my written pieces in my gallery, suggest that education is the all to end all to address pretty much everything from decreasing number of unwanted pregnancies, to of course strengthening the education system, to decrease the number of people on welfare, as well as prison… it is a core part but is not the only part with respect to welfare and prison reform of which I may do a piece later on that.
I am not saying I am anti-adoption, in fact I believe we should try to make it easier to adopt people, by …hiring more case agents, which would lessen the case load of each agent allowing for them to do more home checks, background checks on potential parents etc
So, the point of this stamp was to somewhat comment on the other stamps that I see on here saying, ADOPT NOT ABORT!!!, where they premise their argument as if adoption will solve our abortion problem which it will not.
Let us look at facts, as previously stated we have 150K+ kids who go into the foster care permanently each year, meaning they will never return home.
We adopt out 122K kids on average..
That alone is a Net Positive of 28,000
Now, using the number above that America average 1,000,000 abortions per year.
Let us say 25% of these women chose to give their babies up for adoption [I am being modest here since I believe if abortion were illegal the real number would be around 50% ..or 500K]
Okay so that is an addition 250,000 kids that will be placed into the foster system every year so a net positive of 278,000 kids that will be in the foster care system
As well as, for many pro life people, not all, but many I see tend to be very conservative and believe we should strip the welfare program, these people are lazy but if you outlaw abortion, that will be an addition 750K kids, mostly to poor and low income people who will in turn, more than likely go on welfare… so I fail to see how this solves the problem.
The solution is not JUST how can we make the adopting process easier, it is also how do we decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, which would include … better access to birth control for men AND women, so the pill, condoms, etc etc, and an in depth sex education class
Do you not find it a bit odd that the state, Texas, which has stripped an in depth sex education course from its Junior High School and High School curriculum has one of the fastest rising teen pregnancy rates? …. Oops. And Texas also accounts for nearly 9% of all abortions in America … double oops.
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
of 579,700 women who got pregnant in that last study only a few years ago, 15% got abortions, meaning 86,955 abortions in Texas alone… so nearly 9% of all abortions for that year and if you look at these links:
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
www.dshs.state.tx.us/chs/vstat…
So, the question remains, will we, the people, ensure that there are in depth sex education classes in schools or will we say this does not work even though we know that it does decrease pregnancy rates, and by extension abortion rates.
… though even for the teens or parents who are against abortion, decreasing pregnancy rates, which also by extension decrease the number of teens who have babies and go on welfare… so while adoption will not solve the problem with abortion… the only way to solve the issue of abortion is doing what we know decreases abortion rates.
For me the issue at hand which is more important, is pro-quality of-life. What I generally hear from many pro-lifers is OH JUST LET THE FETUS BE BROUGHT TO TERM!!! ADOPTION.. while they look at underfunded foster care system, with under paid case agents that are trying their hardest… or when the woman does have the baby and keep it, and may need some assistance they demonize her saying, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE BABY IF YOU COULD NOT TAKE CARE OF IT!!!!! .. or wish to cut programs to help such people, yes, welfare is what I am speaking of. Many of the new cases, are low income, women with newborn babies.
For the record, I am not anti, women on welfare, those who I speak with often know that I have some things I believe should be reformed in the welfare system to better the woman, get her more work ready etc but am not against the program in a general sense.
Here are my views on abortion in a generalized sense
Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Stamps have same writing but two different stamps
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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If you have sex and put in little effort to avoid getting pregnant then you have no regard for human life, there shouldn't be excuses to kill your own young because of modern standards.
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YOU have no regard for personal lives whatsoever. And I said contraception doesn't work 100% of the time so abortions still happen anyway. It's not their damn fault.
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If you decide to engage in sex then you are taking the risk of getting yourself pregnant, keep your legs closed if you don't want to bring a potential human being into this world.
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Good luck telling victims of rape that, asshole.
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But you'd still be fine with killing a developing human?
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I think you're confusing the word "killing" with you are an idiot. If a fetus is removed before it becomes viable (20 weeks) it's not "killing" it. It just means it's too immature to survive out the womb. It has to at least be born to be killed (I'm not saying you should, I'm just explaining the clear difference between killing and abortion).
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Abortion is still wrong because you're preventing a potential life from being brought into our world, it's not giving the newly planted human a chance.
For all we know that fetus could've invented something great if it got the chance to learn and grow.
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Not as wrong as forcing a woman to carry it to term and give birth to it. So your argument about it being "wrong" is still invalid no matter what you say.
"For all we know that fetus could've invented something great if it got the chance to learn and grow."
Key word, COULD have. It could also be a serial murderer or a dictator. There's always a 50/50 chance it can be good or bad. If you want something invented so damn badly, you could always ask the current generation of brilliant minds. We can't always put everything on the next, you know.
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Adoption is actually the best option if you really put in the time to find a good place to deliver the child to, if more people were interested in raising kids then there would be more chances for a baby to find a happy family. But no, women of today would rather be single lonely cat loving feminists that would rather fight against nonexistent issues instead of bringing up a family.
It's liberal standards that make abortion seem so normal.
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"Adoption is actually the best option if you really put in the time to find a good place to deliver the child to, if more people were interested in raising kids then there would be more chances for a baby to find a happy family."
Pfff. And abortion isn't? Have you even SEEN the actual statistics of children in foster care? Millions of children are in the foster care system and only a handful (roughly 120,000+) get officially adopted each year. And hundreds more get returned to foster care and has to go through the adoption process all over again to get into another family. Making abortions illegal would only make the problem worse and drastically increase the number of people in severe poverty. It doesn't matter how great the foster care system is; foster homes will get to severe overcrowding with children eventually having to live on the streets, thus possibly growing up into criminals. Is this what you really want? Or do you just don't care just so long as the baby is born?
"But no, women of today would rather be single lonely cat loving feminists that would rather fight against nonexistent issues instead of bringing up a family."
1. Can you tell me what's wrong with being a single woman? I am myself because I'm an aromantic asexual and I'm happy with my identity. Nobody needs a significant other to be happy. You can do whatever you want while you're single. Hell, you could be rich and famous and still be single and not want kids (of course, wills and inheritance are another story...).
2. Why would you consider women's rights to be a nonexistent issue? You could be saying the same thing about human rights, and I mean ALL OF THEM--children, voting, immigrants, LGBTQ+. The reason why abortion is considered an issue is because there's little consensus over how it should be addressed and handled. And it's not just that: there's also sex education and providing contraception. The downside of the latter is that not a single one of them is 100% effective (and if you're gonna include abstinence, then YES, it falls under that, like it or not, because most of us are going to have sex anyway in some point of our lives. There's nothing wrong with sexual freedom, you know?
3. Children, just like pets, are needless luxuries. All they are anymore is just wants.
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And there's the problem, hardly anyone wants to put in the time to find a partner and get married, long enough so they can provide a good life for their offspring or if not their own child they can just adopt one. If more people stopped being brainwashed by the mainstream media they would realize that it's far more better and rewarding to raise a happy family. Instead of being stuck single and supporting garbage anti western ideologies. That way there would be more homes for those children in fostercare to go to.
*Children, just like pets, are needless luxuries. All they are anymore is just wants*
Really? I see why you view the human fetus as a disposable piece of waste, you have no regard for humanity's offspring, you think children are just things that can be thrown away when you don't want them. I'm just gonna say that you are messed up in the head.
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"And there's the problem, hardly anyone wants to put in the time to find a partner and get married, long enough so they can provide a good life for their offspring or if not their own child they can just adopt one."
Not everybody wants a partner and get married and have kids. I don't want a partner and get married and have kids. Why is it so damn hard for you to respect and accept that? Last time I checked, none of those are the sole goal in life. Everybody has their own goals in their lives, and most of the time, getting married and starting a family with someone isn't their highest priority, if not no priority at all. Regardless, some people are absolutely happy with the way their life's going without being in a relationship or starting a family. Everybody has the right to happiness, no matter what happens to them or what they do. If them staying single for the rest of their lives makes them happy, then you have absolutely no right whatsoever to take that happiness away.
"If more people stopped being brainwashed by the mainstream media they would realize that it's far more better and rewarding to raise a happy family. Instead of being stuck single and supporting garbage anti western ideologies."
"Brainwashed?" Dare I ask how so? If anything, you're just being fed lies and myths about not starting a family with someone. I mean, sure, I can't deny that getting married to someone and starting a family makes some people happy, but so is being single or other stuff. If these aren't treaded carefully, it would only bring misery and resentment to the person.
And how, exactly, is being single and being happy "anti-western?" How stupid could you possibly be to even think that? Eastern cultures put more pressure on women to find a man to marry and start a family with them than they do in the west because our views on these kinds of things tend to be more relaxed than theirs.
"That way there would be more homes for those children in fostercare to go to."
Not with overpopulation still being a thing. Abortion still being legal would decrease the amount of children in the system, but I doubt the numbers of children being adopted would change (they could become steady for all I know). And you've just shown your true colors that you are pro-birth.
"Really? I see why you view the human fetus as a disposable piece of waste, you have no regard for humanity's offspring, you think children are just things that can be thrown away when you don't want them. I'm just gonna say that you are messed up in the head."
Oh don't give me that when you could say the same thing about pets. People just can't wake up one day and think "I want a pet!" or "I want a baby!" and get one or make one at a whim. On top of they have to at least know what they're doing, they need to be ready, including being financially stable to afford one. In the case of suddenly getting pregnant when they're clearly not ready, terminating it is the better option than giving the child up for adoption because adoption is a very lengthy legal process which take an average of a few years to even do, and by the time the child reaches the age of five, their chances of being adopted enters into exponential decay reaching to almost zero by the time they reach eighteen. And after that, they get chucked onto the streets with little life skills whatsoever and turning to crime to get by. Did you know that in Sweden, since abortion became legal, the rates of crimes dropped dramatically? The same thing applies to abortion being legal in the states, believe it or not.
And like I said, not everybody wants a child to be happy. And giving the child up for adoption isn't throwing the child away. Neither does terminating a fetus. You've just further proven to me that you're pro-birth. You say you want children born, but you very obviously give no regard to the lives they'll have as soon as their born, nor do you even regard the mothers' lives or feelings. I think YOU'RE the one that's messed up in the head to think that banning abortions altogether would help with the foster care system. It never really crossed your mind that a lot less children would be adopted than the children entering the system when given up by their mothers. You're just putting the unstoppable force against the unmovable object. If the amount of children entering the system decrease, then the tables might turn, but abortion has to be legal as well as birth control being low-cost/free and as an over-the-counter and widely publicly available in order for that to work, and in theory, the population might decrease slightly, too. If those still don't ring into your head, then I really don't know what to say, other than you're just a typical pro-birther who only thinks overpopulation isn't real despite what actual factual statistics say.
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Pro-Lifer logic:
*Woman can't keep baby and decides to abort it.*
Pro-Life response: "You're carrying a developing human being! Don't murder that poor innocent child's life!"
*Woman can't keep baby, gives birth to it and decides to put it up for adoption*
Pro-Life response: "You're giving up your own flesh-and-blood away!? You're a coward and an awful mother!"
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I sadly have heard all of those.
The one that makes me just go "um" the most is the, and you may have heard it.. WHAT IF THAT CHILD WAS THE ONE WHO WOULD CURE....(insert cancer, aids, etc here)
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This is a ridiculous argument, if people don't want babies they should give them up for adoption.
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Can you find fault in the numbers?
Simply banning abortion, will not solve the issue.
You will simply be adding hundreds of thousands new people in a system at which is overwhelmed as is..
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lady's sent me death threats and suicide bait in the past, don't take any of her ramblings on abortion + valuing life seriously because she only values it if it agrees with her
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I had never heard of her before she started commenting on this and another piece. That is a shame if she sends threats of that nature.
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She doesn't do that anymore, you can thank me for that
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The problem is a lot of people only adopt as a last resort.
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the problem is the process is incredibly long, and in a system at which you have, if abortion was banned that woudd just add hundreds of thousands more kids to a system every year that is barely holding on to the amount they have now.
America has one of the longest processes for adoption, that is why many adopt from foreign countries.
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Too many kids end up in abusive homes.
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Agreed, one of the Children's Homes I volunteer are have several of em who were abused by their foster parent.. and in one particularly sad case the boy was sexually abused by his parents... moved into foster care and then sexually abused by the foster parents.
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I was born cuz of rape.... Bleh...
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One of the boys at another place I volunteer at is a product of rape. He has an amazing mother though, who has fallen on some hard times dealing with very abusive spouses but is on a much better path and the boy is amazing. Quite inquisitive and wants to know about everything.
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I don't think that pro-lifers (religious nuts) realize that making abortion illegal will not magically make it go away. The only thing they are doing is making themselves feel self-righteous. In fact, if abortion is made illegal, the abortion rates will most likely go up and many women will die from unsafe back alley abortions and suicide because they'll refuse to carry the fetus to full term. Adoption is not always the answer if the babies are brought up to full term because there are too many kids in orphanages and foster care right now who will stay there and will be dumped onto the streets once they hit 18 with no hopes or dreams only for more children to enter the system and share the exact same fate.
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agreed, these same people are usually also against providing condoms and other protection free or low cost and yet these are the very things that decrease pregnancy rates and thus abortion rates.. shakes head
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I support birth control, but not abortion.
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To each their own, I would be against it being made illegal.
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I only want it to be illegal in certain circumstances.
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I understand and simply disagree.
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Not to mention the most obvious reason: adoption is NOT a solution to an unwanted PREGNANCY. The only quick solution to an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.
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I often find that the same people who are against abortion, in many cases, are also against proper sex education and birth control .. so against that which is shown to decrease unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions
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I actually think that the majority of Republicans (who are usually anti-choice) are for birth control. But the POLITICIANS do things that just don't make any fucking sense. The politicians do take away birth control AND abortion.
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I think the argument often is funding, should government fund some of it, I would say yes. Because birth control I imagine would cost far less than the tens of thousands of hundreds of thousands of unwanted pregnancies that will go in the system over an 18 year stretch
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Yeeeeeeep, that's a damn good point. But instead they fund abstinence only programs and then everyone gets STDs and unwanted pregnancies - and the rates are highest in the south, where all that abstinence only "education" is. You're right, though; I think even Republican citizens don't want to fund ANYTHING that is helpful to people. Like, childcare? Can't, kids are already spoiled. Health insurance? Nah, people don't REALLY need that, right? Welfare? HELL NO, all those lazy pieces of shit can earn their OWN money! Cause this is 'Murica!
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greatly agree with your first two lines. abstinence only programs which are usually in places, the south, which have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy which clearly shows that it is not working but they will keep doing it. Also STD rates in the south are also or rather were back in 2014 on the rise as well. I focus on the South because that is where you are mostly likely to see thee abstinence only programs.
I think Republicans, and I am speaking as a business owner, they have a low risk, quick reward view.. that if you defund these programs they will somehow magically decrease. VS a more realistic view, that if you properly fund education, if you properly fund sex education.. no, it will not be fixed next year, but we do know when looking at five year span that abortion rates tend to drop, STD rates tend to drop, etc so short term expenses for continuous long term gains but they do not or choose not to see the benefits of a long term investments.
Agree also greatly with your third line as well
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