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Numbers are accurate as of August 15, 2012 when this was postedA common Anti-choice aka Pro-life Argument is that every person who has an abortion is selfish and just should give them up for adoption because we can adopt out all of the fetuses that are aborted...
Let us look at the numbers, shall we?
Average numbers of abortions per year in America: 1 million plus
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ind…
www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
-abortion 73 is an anti-Abortion site, I figured if this has similar numbers to the other site no one would claim that it is biased towards pro-choicers …
Average number of adoptions per year in America: 122,000
According to the Administration for Children & Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
This of course is on top of the 400,540 that are currently in foster care system according to the Administration for Children and Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
As well as the 150K kids that enter the system every year permanently [the system gets 450-600k+ kids enter the foster care system every year, the bulk of these children do eventually return home after a short period of time in the system; yet 150K of them are never returned home and stay in the system:
Administration for Children & Families: www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
Children Rights website: www.childrensrights.org/issues…
^^Looking at just this, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE 400k PLUS CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM, if you just look at the 150K + kids who go into the system permanently EACH YEAR, vs the number of kids who are adopted out EACH year [122K], that is still a net positive number of over 28,000 kids that will go into the system and stay each year even after you deduct the number of adoptions.
While not all, many “pro life” people love to demonize people who believe a woman should have the choice as pro-abortion, which could not be further from the truth. I do not know anyone who is pro abortion in a serious way of KILL ALL FETUSES, NO MATTER WHAT. On the contrary, I believe that something should be done to decrease the numbers of unwanted pregnancies, not just abortions.
For me, I believe education is the key to all things on this.
What is it that we know? Schools that have an in depth sex education course in their curriculum, after a few years of the program being implemented had a decrease in teen pregnancy, as well as a rise on the average age that the kids have sex, [meaning both males and females wait just a bit longer before having sex]
www.plannedparenthood.org/file…
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Tee…
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…
I am not just speaking of sex education because what else do we know, in America? In general the more intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to family plan, as well as the more intelligent a person is in general the least amount of kids they will likely have.
www.asanet.org/press/20100223/…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilit…
Everyone knows that as many of my written pieces in my gallery, suggest that education is the all to end all to address pretty much everything from decreasing number of unwanted pregnancies, to of course strengthening the education system, to decrease the number of people on welfare, as well as prison… it is a core part but is not the only part with respect to welfare and prison reform of which I may do a piece later on that.
I am not saying I am anti-adoption, in fact I believe we should try to make it easier to adopt people, by …hiring more case agents, which would lessen the case load of each agent allowing for them to do more home checks, background checks on potential parents etc
So, the point of this stamp was to somewhat comment on the other stamps that I see on here saying, ADOPT NOT ABORT!!!, where they premise their argument as if adoption will solve our abortion problem which it will not.
Let us look at facts, as previously stated we have 150K+ kids who go into the foster care permanently each year, meaning they will never return home.
We adopt out 122K kids on average..
That alone is a Net Positive of 28,000
Now, using the number above that America average 1,000,000 abortions per year.
Let us say 25% of these women chose to give their babies up for adoption [I am being modest here since I believe if abortion were illegal the real number would be around 50% ..or 500K]
Okay so that is an addition 250,000 kids that will be placed into the foster system every year so a net positive of 278,000 kids that will be in the foster care system
As well as, for many pro life people, not all, but many I see tend to be very conservative and believe we should strip the welfare program, these people are lazy but if you outlaw abortion, that will be an addition 750K kids, mostly to poor and low income people who will in turn, more than likely go on welfare… so I fail to see how this solves the problem.
The solution is not JUST how can we make the adopting process easier, it is also how do we decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, which would include … better access to birth control for men AND women, so the pill, condoms, etc etc, and an in depth sex education class
Do you not find it a bit odd that the state, Texas, which has stripped an in depth sex education course from its Junior High School and High School curriculum has one of the fastest rising teen pregnancy rates? …. Oops. And Texas also accounts for nearly 9% of all abortions in America … double oops.
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
of 579,700 women who got pregnant in that last study only a few years ago, 15% got abortions, meaning 86,955 abortions in Texas alone… so nearly 9% of all abortions for that year and if you look at these links:
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
www.dshs.state.tx.us/chs/vstat…
So, the question remains, will we, the people, ensure that there are in depth sex education classes in schools or will we say this does not work even though we know that it does decrease pregnancy rates, and by extension abortion rates.
… though even for the teens or parents who are against abortion, decreasing pregnancy rates, which also by extension decrease the number of teens who have babies and go on welfare… so while adoption will not solve the problem with abortion… the only way to solve the issue of abortion is doing what we know decreases abortion rates.
For me the issue at hand which is more important, is pro-quality of-life. What I generally hear from many pro-lifers is OH JUST LET THE FETUS BE BROUGHT TO TERM!!! ADOPTION.. while they look at underfunded foster care system, with under paid case agents that are trying their hardest… or when the woman does have the baby and keep it, and may need some assistance they demonize her saying, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE BABY IF YOU COULD NOT TAKE CARE OF IT!!!!! .. or wish to cut programs to help such people, yes, welfare is what I am speaking of. Many of the new cases, are low income, women with newborn babies.
For the record, I am not anti, women on welfare, those who I speak with often know that I have some things I believe should be reformed in the welfare system to better the woman, get her more work ready etc but am not against the program in a general sense.
Here are my views on abortion in a generalized sense
Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Stamps have same writing but two different stamps
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Comments: 412
AtheosEmanon In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-07-23 03:37:53 +0000 UTC]
What, what?
You said that is my opinion.. I said precisely - - which was then followed up by a "hmm" leaving nothing to really reply to thus the "thumbs up" acknowledging your comment but saying there was nothing to reply to it.
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PeteSeeger In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-23 03:48:30 +0000 UTC]
I was not sure what that icon was.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to PeteSeeger [2014-07-23 03:50:28 +0000 UTC]
I generally place a "thumbsup" to let the person know that their comment was acknowledge but also that there was nothing in which I could reply to in it,.
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AI-Dirkbot In reply to ??? [2014-05-28 11:59:47 +0000 UTC]
yeah I don't want to be raped and told to just put it up for adoption, you want to make me carry some that traumatized me for nine months and then go through the pain of child birth (Which feels worse then being burned alive x10 just to turn around and put it up for adoption where it could be abused or lonely for the rest of it's life?
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AtheosEmanon In reply to AI-Dirkbot [2014-05-28 12:52:06 +0000 UTC]
There are some anti abortion absolutist that say even in cases o rape and incest abortion should be made illegal.. some or most of the anti abortion people I see do say in cases of rape, incest or life of the mother it is allowed . but I agree with you that making someone carry the child of the person who raped them is great mental trauma - if the woman does not wish to keep the fetus then she should not be forced to.
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Maskydoo In reply to ??? [2014-05-24 21:32:18 +0000 UTC]
Very true. Adoption and abortion don't even solve the same problem. It's not possible to adopt a fetus.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Maskydoo [2014-05-24 22:05:02 +0000 UTC]
I Completely agree. but sadly you have some people that believe if we just ban abortions somehow the rate of adoptions which has never kept up with even 20% of the abortions will somehow ... match up...
Thanks for the fave,
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Maskydoo In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-05-24 23:15:49 +0000 UTC]
All banning abortion would ever do is get people killed. Abortion is necessary and nothing replaces it.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Maskydoo [2014-05-24 23:53:33 +0000 UTC]
I agree, if you ban abortion you will have people going to those back alley, nonlicensed places in which 25% of the women got infections and died.. vs now.. less than 1% have any complications and even fewer leads to death of the woman.
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Maskydoo In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-05-25 00:09:29 +0000 UTC]
True. Also, you'll find fewer women having psychotic breaks and killing or abandoning or abusing their actual children.
Abortion care saves women and actual children.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Maskydoo [2014-05-25 00:32:32 +0000 UTC]
I agree with that as well, if you ban it and as such have many women who will be forced in a way to have a kid that she does not want... which is never a good environment to have children around - that being a parent that never wanted them..
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legoland5254 In reply to ??? [2014-04-12 13:01:33 +0000 UTC]
......... Well that's dumb!!!!!
Do people really think that if they shout "ADOPTION ADOPTION!!!!" then they solve the abortion issue?
isn't abortion about getting rid of children? Not trying to bring them into your life? I think adoption is kind of like bringing a child into your life....
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AtheosEmanon In reply to legoland5254 [2014-04-12 13:48:23 +0000 UTC]
Some people believe that we should just ban abortions and if the person does not want the kid they should just give it up for adoption.. which will not solve the issue - - but will just bring on a set of new issues with the hundreds of thousands of new kids into the system every year for the next decade at least
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Bunny-Bite In reply to ??? [2014-03-30 07:46:46 +0000 UTC]
Love this stamp.
It's so cute when pro-lifers try to make sense. I'm guessing the whole pro-life mindset is caused by severe retardation, or perhaps just lack of a brain.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Bunny-Bite [2014-03-30 15:06:13 +0000 UTC]
They seem to run purely on emotion yet claim the facts are on their side - - adoption alone will not stop the abortion issue.. if you take as stated just 250K [25% of abortions0 go up for adoption and the 122K that are adopted out each year... that is still 128K net new kids in the system each year...
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StarTheWolfPuppy In reply to ??? [2014-02-18 20:56:06 +0000 UTC]
I say the world should just butt out of a woman's choice. It's between her and maybe her family if she wants them to give her advise.
I get so pissed off when a woman intantly becomes a murderer for abortion when you don't even know who she is.
If people want to prove abortion is wrong, go get pregnant and keep the baby! Don't make others do it for you!
...basically I approve this stamp
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AtheosEmanon In reply to StarTheWolfPuppy [2014-02-18 21:49:33 +0000 UTC]
I completely agree - -that choice is completely up to the woman and whomever she chooses to confide in -- and of course the doctor since ..well seems obvious why...
I also agree with your second piece.
If one believes it is murder - - hey that is fine.. [in my pro choice piece in my gallery someone commented just a day or so ago saying it was murder....] I have no issue if that is someone's belief but I often ask.. okay, if you want to ban abortions what policy would one implement that will deal with the additional 250-500K new kids in the foster care system each year..and I often find that many have not thought pass the JUST BAN ABORTION stage... I that is all they have thought through - - then it would seem they have not thought through much at all. much oblige for your approval of the stamp
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GamziMakr In reply to ??? [2014-02-08 00:31:18 +0000 UTC]
1. Fix Adoption System
2. Make Americans less narcissistic and pathetic
3. Outlaw abortions besides extreme cases
4. Care very little for the women who kill themselves by having an unsafe abortion because their reason for having an abortion is weak.
4. Prosperity and rainbows and sunshine and happiness.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to GamziMakr [2014-02-08 00:41:08 +0000 UTC]
I agree with point 1 - - we need much greater incentives for foster care workers to make sure that we attract more workers so that they have the ability to stay on top of every case - - but such things would generally require more involvement from congress - - and state legislatures so .. time will tell with that.
I would not wish to ban all abortions besides "extreme cases". I personally take the supreme court view that it is a private matter between a woman and who she chooses to confide in - I would be okay with term limits with respect to not saying sure.. 8th trimester have at it...
Of course, I am not against anyone wanting to ban abortions and vote for people who agree with them, that is their choice.
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WoodLily In reply to ??? [2014-02-02 03:40:42 +0000 UTC]
I think that adoption system is broken and needs to be brought into the 21st century.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-02 13:29:54 +0000 UTC]
I think we need more case workers - but since they are paid so little many people do not go into that line of work
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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-02 18:52:57 +0000 UTC]
That too. They also need to keep track of abusive parents.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-02 20:07:27 +0000 UTC]
That goes partially to more case workers - - I am not making excuses for the general bad ones but when you are supposed to have 12 cases...and in some states and cities like NYC.. the average case worker had 33-40 cases.. so 3x more than what is recommended so there are some truly overworked ones.
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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-02 23:42:46 +0000 UTC]
Ah I see. That's pretty bad.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-03 00:01:53 +0000 UTC]
Yup, but since the pay is so bad... and the stress is so high - that of course are not good selling points to get people into this field.
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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-03 00:38:25 +0000 UTC]
Yeah they need to raise the pay.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-03 02:15:31 +0000 UTC]
yup.. but like with teachers... it will be a fight to raise the pay
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HarmonyThroughAnime In reply to ??? [2013-12-18 23:27:38 +0000 UTC]
if they outlawed safe,legal abortion and everyone put there kids up for adoption, it would start crowding orphanages, kids would be forced onto the street *not that is isn't already happening* eventually they will outlaw adoption making things even worse
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AtheosEmanon In reply to HarmonyThroughAnime [2013-12-18 23:55:57 +0000 UTC]
I agree, and I tackled that in the written piece about how many kids go into foster care vs how many are adopted out and as of now.. the numbers of those entering the system are for the past few decades always more than those exiting the system.
Thanks for the fave
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HarmonyThroughAnime In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-12-18 23:58:14 +0000 UTC]
it was well deserved
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Nerudan18 In reply to ??? [2013-11-23 19:30:16 +0000 UTC]
There are roughly 500,000 children avaliable for domestic adoption here in the U.S. Roughly 100,000 get adopted each year. For each one of those children adopted, there are 36 couples still on the waiting list. Doing the math, that makes for at least 360,0000 potential parents. So the problem has nothing to do with a lack of compassion, and everything to do with a bloated bureaucracy and an industry that grows rich off murder.
No essays this time, please.
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-22 20:49:16 +0000 UTC]
Ha! If abortion clinics got rich from their services, then Republicans would oppose any and all attempts to restrict abortion.
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Nerudan18 In reply to The-Last-Sea-Serpent [2014-05-23 04:16:40 +0000 UTC]
As a matter of fact, my friend, they do get rich from abortion services. Which is kind of why Republicans, as well as most decent-minded Americans, oppose abortion so. Getting rich off murder is kind of a bad thing, dontcha know.
But just so you can't complain, go google search George Tiller or Kermit Gosnell. See how much they made sometime.
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-23 09:42:35 +0000 UTC]
You do know that the majority of Americans are pro-choice?
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Nerudan18 In reply to The-Last-Sea-Serpent [2014-05-23 13:21:24 +0000 UTC]
Wrong again. Count is at 51% pro-life, with 49% pro-choice. Granted that isn't much of a majority, but even so- even those pro-choice Americans support increased restrictions on abortion. Its one of the reasons those visiting privileges laws have done so well in the South.
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-23 20:03:23 +0000 UTC]
And by "doing well", you of course mean shutting down perfectly reputable clinics based on anti-women pseudo-medicine?
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Nerudan18 In reply to The-Last-Sea-Serpent [2014-05-24 02:06:33 +0000 UTC]
Oh, come now. There's no such thing as a reputable abortion clinic. Excusing the fact that they make their money from murder, Kermit Gosnell was just the tip of the iceberg. PP in Florida pretty much said that any baby born alive during an abortion doesn't get resuscitated. The state of Oregon once brought PP to court for aiding and abetting child molestation. There are literally scores of women rendered infertile or damaged by abortion, and that's your legal clinics at that.
Think of it as consistency. Liberals always want to over-regulate everything else, so why not? While it certainly would be nice if any of those states outright tried to nullify Roe V. Wade, the intention is to make sure these clinics are safe for people to go to. After all, they aren't hospitals, and who's to say the doctors are competent in anything else besides killing. And on a final note, abortion is not just anti-woman, it is misanthropy at its finest.
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-24 02:41:38 +0000 UTC]
Oh, please. If Republicans truly cared about women's safety; then why don't they force hospitals to give admitting pro ledges to clinics, instead of the other way around.
And since you brought up child molestation, care to share your views on the Catholic Church?
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Nerudan18 In reply to The-Last-Sea-Serpent [2014-05-27 16:00:41 +0000 UTC]
To answer your first question, it's because rubber stamping hospitals into giving admitting privileges to clinics instead of the other way around would be inviting medical malpractice. After Kermit Gosnell, it is only common sense that abortion clinics be forced to prove they are in accordance with established medical law. After all, a lot can go wrong even with a "safe" abortion, and the fact that the abortion industry has been working to undo these laws speaks volumes to their depraved indifference.
Ah, you want to throw anti-Catholic racism in this too, do you? Alright. I can roll with that punch. While it is perfectly true that some priests molested children and some dioceses covered up these crimes, the majority did not. The rate of child molestation among Catholic priests is no higher than that among protestant preachers or scoutmasters. The problem is no more pervasive than it is in the general population. Nice try, though.
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-27 17:00:50 +0000 UTC]
Then why not take it a step further; and require hospitals to provide abortion(one of the safest and most common outpatient procedures) on site?
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Nerudan18 In reply to The-Last-Sea-Serpent [2014-05-27 22:18:53 +0000 UTC]
Ignoring the fact that hospitals likely don't want to be involved with this controversy, it would be bound to ignite a large and potent number of protests. The pro-aborts would lose far more than they would gain; people do not want their public facilities to be involved with murder.
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-27 23:06:45 +0000 UTC]
Guess what people also don't want? A handful of men who have never attended medical school dictating what millions of women can and cannot do with their own bodies.
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Nerudan18 In reply to The-Last-Sea-Serpent [2014-05-28 00:44:00 +0000 UTC]
Hah! Knew you would resort to that kind of cop-out eventually. But lets try being rational here, shall we? I believe you and the folks at rationalhub like to stuff that down other people's throats. First of all, being inside something is not the same as being a part of something. Second, privacy is not an absolute right; it is governed by other human rights. Third, you don't need to be female before caring about women's issues, so why should I have to be a med school grad to care about legal murder?
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The-Last-Sea-Serpent In reply to Nerudan18 [2014-05-28 02:04:40 +0000 UTC]
A fetus is not just inside a woman's body, it is also entirely dependent upon her body for vital life support. How can it not be considered part of a woman's body?
Rational? You don't know the meaning of reason.
And we shove facts down your throats only after you shove ignorance up our vaginas, or up the ones of women we care about.
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