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AtheosEmanon — Adoption will NOT solve the abortion problem by-nd

Published: 2012-08-15 05:35:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 11034; Favourites: 154; Downloads: 11
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A common Anti-choice aka Pro-life Argument is that every person who has an abortion is selfish and just should give them up for adoption because we can adopt out all of the fetuses that are aborted...

Let us look at the numbers, shall we?
Average numbers of abortions per year in America: 1 million plus
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ind…
www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
-abortion 73 is an anti-Abortion site, I figured if this has similar numbers to the other site no one would claim that it is biased towards pro-choicers …


Average number of adoptions per year in America: 122,000
According to the Administration for Children & Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
This of course is on top of the 400,540 that are currently in foster care system according to the Administration for Children and Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…

As well as the 150K kids that enter the system every year permanently [the system gets 450-600k+ kids enter the foster care system every year, the bulk of these children do eventually return home after a short period of time in the system; yet 150K of them are never returned home and stay in the system:
Administration for Children & Families: www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
Children Rights website: www.childrensrights.org/issues…


^^Looking at just this, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE 400k PLUS CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM, if you just look at the 150K + kids who go into the system permanently EACH YEAR, vs the number of kids who are adopted out EACH year [122K], that is still a net positive number of over 28,000 kids that will go into the system and stay each year even after you deduct the number of adoptions.

While not all, many “pro life” people love to demonize people who believe a woman should have the choice as pro-abortion, which could not be further from the truth. I do not know anyone who is pro abortion in a serious way of KILL ALL FETUSES, NO MATTER WHAT. On the contrary, I believe that something should be done to decrease the numbers of unwanted pregnancies, not just abortions.

For me, I believe education is the key to all things on this.

What is it that we know? Schools that have an in depth sex education course in their curriculum, after a few years of the program being implemented had a decrease in teen pregnancy, as well as a rise on the average age that the kids have sex, [meaning both males and females wait just a bit longer before having sex]
www.plannedparenthood.org/file…
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Tee…
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…

I am not just speaking of sex education because what else do we know, in America? In general the more intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to family plan, as well as the more intelligent a person is in general the least amount of kids they will likely have.
www.asanet.org/press/20100223/…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilit…



Everyone knows that as many of my written pieces in my gallery, suggest that education is the all to end all to address pretty much everything from decreasing number of unwanted pregnancies, to of course strengthening the education system, to decrease the number of people on welfare, as well as prison… it is a core part but is not the only part with respect to welfare and prison reform of which I may do a piece later on that.

I am not saying I am anti-adoption, in fact I believe we should try to make it easier to adopt people, by …hiring more case agents, which would lessen the case load of each agent allowing for them to do more home checks, background checks on potential parents etc

So, the point of this stamp was to somewhat comment on the other stamps that I see on here saying, ADOPT NOT ABORT!!!, where they premise their argument as if adoption will solve our abortion problem which it will not.

Let us look at facts, as previously stated we have 150K+ kids who go into the foster care permanently each year, meaning they will never return home.

We adopt out 122K kids on average..

That alone is a Net Positive of 28,000

Now, using the number above that America average 1,000,000 abortions per year.

Let us say 25% of these women chose to give their babies up for adoption [I am being modest here since I believe if abortion were illegal the real number would be around 50% ..or 500K]

Okay so that is an addition 250,000 kids that will be placed into the foster system every year so a net positive of 278,000 kids that will be in the foster care system

As well as, for many pro life people, not all, but many I see tend to be very conservative and believe we should strip the welfare program, these people are lazy but if you outlaw abortion, that will be an addition 750K kids, mostly to poor and low income people who will in turn, more than likely go on welfare… so I fail to see how this solves the problem.

The solution is not JUST how can we make the adopting process easier, it is also how do we decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, which would include … better access to birth control for men AND women, so the pill, condoms, etc etc, and an in depth sex education class

Do you not find it a bit odd that the state, Texas, which has stripped an in depth sex education course from its Junior High School and High School curriculum has one of the fastest rising teen pregnancy rates? …. Oops. And Texas also accounts for nearly 9% of all abortions in America … double oops.
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
of 579,700 women who got pregnant in that last study only a few years ago, 15% got abortions, meaning 86,955 abortions in Texas alone… so nearly 9% of all abortions for that year and if you look at these links:
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
www.dshs.state.tx.us/chs/vstat…


So, the question remains, will we, the people, ensure that there are in depth sex education classes in schools or will we say this does not work even though we know that it does decrease pregnancy rates, and by extension abortion rates.
… though even for the teens or parents who are against abortion, decreasing pregnancy rates, which also by extension decrease the number of teens who have babies and go on welfare… so while adoption will not solve the problem with abortion… the only way to solve the issue of abortion is doing what we know decreases abortion rates.

For me the issue at hand which is more important, is pro-quality of-life. What I generally hear from many pro-lifers is OH JUST LET THE FETUS BE BROUGHT TO TERM!!! ADOPTION.. while they look at underfunded foster care system, with under paid case agents that are trying their hardest… or when the woman does have the baby and keep it, and may need some assistance they demonize her saying, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE BABY IF YOU COULD NOT TAKE CARE OF IT!!!!! .. or wish to cut programs to help such people, yes, welfare is what I am speaking of. Many of the new cases, are low income, women with newborn babies.

For the record, I am not anti, women on welfare, those who I speak with often know that I have some things I believe should be reformed in the welfare system to better the woman, get her more work ready etc but am not against the program in a general sense.


Here are my views on abortion in a generalized sense
Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Stamps have same writing but two different stamps
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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yellowshinygoldfish In reply to ??? [2013-01-19 00:49:46 +0000 UTC]

I think so.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to yellowshinygoldfish [2013-01-19 00:58:55 +0000 UTC]

ah that would suck for me.. I am in a blue state, NY but I hate our strict gun laws.

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yellowshinygoldfish In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-19 13:21:46 +0000 UTC]

Trust me you wouldn't need the guns as much as I do, I live in a place where someone has to die everyday because of a bullet and if someone doesn't get killed by a bullet in that day there is always a high chance of a massacre, the place is on its way to becoming a Harlem or a new Detroit.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to yellowshinygoldfish [2013-01-19 14:13:24 +0000 UTC]

NY has an an average 1.3 murders a day, averaging over 400 a year so I am aware that people die daily here, and in my old life guns were a thing used often, such is life.

I live in Harlem, very few of the 400 people killed here were shot in Harlem, and it is a bit absurd to compare Harlem to Detroit, Detroit's issue has more to do with its poverty rate than crime.

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yellowshinygoldfish In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-19 14:25:02 +0000 UTC]

I also heard that if you are white they shoot you down automatically in Harlem.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to yellowshinygoldfish [2013-01-19 21:44:56 +0000 UTC]

..might I ask who told you that lie? Whites are around 20% of Harlem, their population continuously increases, they are around 20% , Blacks are around 45% and Hispanics are around 35%.... I see whites everyday in Harlem, and several live around me and have a great relationships with their neighbors who are not white.

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yellowshinygoldfish In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-20 01:49:47 +0000 UTC]

A relative told me that when they traveled to the States.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to yellowshinygoldfish [2013-01-20 12:44:57 +0000 UTC]

Did your relative go to Harlem?... I shall assume that they were not shot if they did?

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yellowshinygoldfish In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-20 16:25:10 +0000 UTC]

They were always hanging around in the nice part of Harlem.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to yellowshinygoldfish [2013-01-20 21:48:44 +0000 UTC]

..so they were in Harlem and did not get shot...

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yellowshinygoldfish In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-20 22:10:48 +0000 UTC]

That's obvious but until you asked I had never thought into what my relative said years ago, the rest of my family say stuff like that so I should discredit everything else they told me hehe.

Since you live in Harlem do you know if they have any fun places to visit?

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AtheosEmanon In reply to yellowshinygoldfish [2013-01-20 23:03:36 +0000 UTC]

Well we have restaurants, movie theaters, bowling allies, bars.. dk your idea of fun

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BisexualMarshMallow In reply to ??? [2013-01-10 08:21:07 +0000 UTC]

Did you know that there are some pro-lifers that have the audacity to call them 'feminists'?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to BisexualMarshMallow [2013-01-10 18:37:36 +0000 UTC]

I have a friend that is pro-life and feminist. She can argue, as can I, that feminism or equal treatment for women is not an abortion issue per se, she advocates for equal pay for equal work, not being discriminated against because you are a woman, etc... and yet she is against abortion because she believes it is murder - - which I say to each their own - she makes the argument that anyone would agree with that woman's rights is not just abortion.

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Salimar1991 In reply to ??? [2012-08-23 13:23:33 +0000 UTC]

I read on some blog that when the Planned Parenthood Protesters (Sorry for the alliteration) were asked by patients what the would do to help the person carrying the fetus, they didn't have an answer. It would be 100% impossible to ban abortion, as people find ways; more dangerous and possibly fatal ways like what happened with alcohol prohibition. (Methanol)

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 16:01:32 +0000 UTC]

Was it an official representative of planned parenthood or just some protester?

According to the head of planned parenthood they do council the person beforehand asking them are they sure they want to do it, and if the person is unsure they do not say..WELL DO IT ANYWAY, they make sure the woman is sure before performing the abortion.. it is not as if that is their big money maker, it is only 3% of what they do.

I agree with you, but there are people, mostly conservative Republicans, with all of these personhood amendments, that are trying to outlaw abortion..

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 16:13:28 +0000 UTC]

It was an anti abortion protester, one of the patients was being harassed and decided to ask them if they're so... never mind, here's where i got it from [link]

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 17:07:49 +0000 UTC]

Oh, and thanks for the watch.

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 17:21:22 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 17:07:40 +0000 UTC]

That link was about Kirk Cameron's pro life views, is that where you got the thing about planned parenthood..or is that something else? I did watch the video but saw nothing about planned parenthood, I did see him say he would ask his raped daughter to still have the baby...

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 17:21:06 +0000 UTC]

Someone in the comments asked if any of the antiabortion protesters would ever volunteer to pay for the pregnancy, the medicine, the food, the birth, and adopt the child. They mentioned that the people were quick to judge, but not to help. It's not pro choice protesters i was speaking of, but the anti choice ones, the people who hurl insults at the scared, desperate women who already have enough to worry about.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 17:39:13 +0000 UTC]

Ah, yes, I touched on that premise of the pro-lifers not caring much about when they are born in this piece, and the other abortion pieces I have written. Ah, now I understand, and yes they do not seem to care much for the fetus once it comes to term, I have volunteered at a local planned parenthood in the past.. but I did not do much other than repair stuff for free, as I do with local shelters etc ... and they do take it serious ... it is not just the I WANT AN ABORTION.. OKAY PUT THIS ON AND WE WILL START NOW.. they usually counsel them before they would do such

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 17:51:30 +0000 UTC]

Well, even if the person was sure, it still would be a very difficult decision, and like you said, abortions are only 3% of what Planned Parenthood does the other 97% is general women's health and providing birth control. On another note, is your icon Rorschach?

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 18:11:49 +0000 UTC]

I agree, yet it is best to ask them if they are sure this is what they want to do vs asking no questions, offering no counseling [which they do pre and post abortion] etc.

Yes, my icon is Rorshach, I have always enjoyed him from the watchman series and have been using him as my icon since I got this account.

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 18:23:13 +0000 UTC]

Sadly, I never did read watchmen.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 19:49:10 +0000 UTC]

Saw the film?

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 19:51:07 +0000 UTC]

No, nor have I played the game

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 20:09:40 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I had no idea there was a game

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 20:14:13 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but it's only available on the Ps3... I think

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 20:22:12 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I have ps3 but rarely even play my games anymore.. just use them for DVD and blueray players mostly.

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Salimar1991 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-23 20:26:03 +0000 UTC]

only console i use anymore is my 3ds, any other games i can use my laptop for

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 20:28:44 +0000 UTC]

Very cool, I am generally into politics so that is what I am mostly doing.. either online debating about it and other social things or watching it on tv.

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Salimar1991 In reply to Salimar1991 [2012-08-23 13:27:04 +0000 UTC]

Oh and yes, I do agree with this stamp... Forgot to say that

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sweetaffections In reply to ??? [2012-08-17 10:10:23 +0000 UTC]

Dude, bravo. I cant express the sheer awesomeness of this. o.o

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AtheosEmanon In reply to sweetaffections [2012-08-17 13:19:29 +0000 UTC]

Much obliged, thanks for the fave.
I am very glad you enjoyed it so much

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sweetaffections In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-17 22:22:16 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome! Dude, you are alot smarter than anyone I know or heard of. O.O Please run for president lol.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to sweetaffections [2012-08-17 22:26:06 +0000 UTC]

Lmao, as an atheist, as well as someone who is neither a Democrat, nor Republican.. it would be rather difficult for me to ever become president Or I could be like Ron Paul who keeps running and running and knows he cannot win bwahhaha

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sweetaffections In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-17 22:28:45 +0000 UTC]

Lol! Id vote for ya!

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AtheosEmanon In reply to sweetaffections [2012-08-17 22:29:53 +0000 UTC]

haha now to figure out how a Liberal, progressive, Democratic socialist... who is an atheist .. can run for office hahahah

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sweetaffections In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-17 22:33:29 +0000 UTC]

Lol just run up to the place where you do that and go "I am Atheos F****** Emanon!! Im running and I shall declare victory!!!!!" Lol.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to sweetaffections [2012-08-18 04:00:35 +0000 UTC]

Lmao, an atheist.. I maybe get elected for local office in New York hahahah

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sweetaffections In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-18 05:54:15 +0000 UTC]

Lol.

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Nbbren In reply to ??? [2012-08-16 06:12:19 +0000 UTC]

sometimes I wish I was aborted

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Nbbren [2012-08-16 14:16:40 +0000 UTC]

Um, okay.

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Bladez636 In reply to ??? [2012-08-16 04:20:01 +0000 UTC]

Adoption doesn't solve this world overcrowded with people who don't know how to use a condom!

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Bladez636 [2012-08-16 14:15:44 +0000 UTC]

I agree, perhaps in the future I will do a longer version of this where I focus on some of the most populated countries and look at their birth rates, adoption rates, and abortion rates.

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Blackwidina In reply to ??? [2012-08-15 18:26:08 +0000 UTC]

This is beautifully written. I also appreciate that you kept a level head throughout. I've read a few of these types of essays that get a bit ranty towards the end. Nice sourcing, as well!

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Blackwidina [2012-08-16 01:15:39 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the fave! I did try to keep it as short as possible and still give the relevant information/links from official sites like the administration for children and families for the adoption/foster care stats. I am surprise I did not rant that much towards the end... Glad you enjoyed it

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PurplePhoneixStar In reply to ??? [2012-08-15 17:01:07 +0000 UTC]




I agree fully with this. It has been proven time and time again that a comprehensive sex ed leads to less unplanned pregnancy and thus less need for abortion.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to PurplePhoneixStar [2012-08-16 01:12:15 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the fave of this piece, and these pieces
[link]
[link]



I agree, which is why I find the irony a bit hilarious that Texas, a very conservative, red state.. has stripped comprehensive sex ed from its schools and accounts for 9% of all abortions in America and have the fastest growing teen pregnancy rates than any place in the country... yet they do not seem to be planning to put the sex ed back in their schools.

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