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AtheosEmanon — Adoption will NOT solve the abortion problem by-nd

Published: 2012-08-15 05:35:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 11034; Favourites: 154; Downloads: 11
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A common Anti-choice aka Pro-life Argument is that every person who has an abortion is selfish and just should give them up for adoption because we can adopt out all of the fetuses that are aborted...

Let us look at the numbers, shall we?
Average numbers of abortions per year in America: 1 million plus
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ind…
www.abort73.com/abortion_facts…
-abortion 73 is an anti-Abortion site, I figured if this has similar numbers to the other site no one would claim that it is biased towards pro-choicers …


Average number of adoptions per year in America: 122,000
According to the Administration for Children & Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
This of course is on top of the 400,540 that are currently in foster care system according to the Administration for Children and Families
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…

As well as the 150K kids that enter the system every year permanently [the system gets 450-600k+ kids enter the foster care system every year, the bulk of these children do eventually return home after a short period of time in the system; yet 150K of them are never returned home and stay in the system:
Administration for Children & Families: www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/st…
Children Rights website: www.childrensrights.org/issues…


^^Looking at just this, NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THE 400k PLUS CURRENTLY IN THE SYSTEM, if you just look at the 150K + kids who go into the system permanently EACH YEAR, vs the number of kids who are adopted out EACH year [122K], that is still a net positive number of over 28,000 kids that will go into the system and stay each year even after you deduct the number of adoptions.

While not all, many “pro life” people love to demonize people who believe a woman should have the choice as pro-abortion, which could not be further from the truth. I do not know anyone who is pro abortion in a serious way of KILL ALL FETUSES, NO MATTER WHAT. On the contrary, I believe that something should be done to decrease the numbers of unwanted pregnancies, not just abortions.

For me, I believe education is the key to all things on this.

What is it that we know? Schools that have an in depth sex education course in their curriculum, after a few years of the program being implemented had a decrease in teen pregnancy, as well as a rise on the average age that the kids have sex, [meaning both males and females wait just a bit longer before having sex]
www.plannedparenthood.org/file…
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/…
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Tee…
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…

I am not just speaking of sex education because what else do we know, in America? In general the more intelligent a person is, the more likely they are to family plan, as well as the more intelligent a person is in general the least amount of kids they will likely have.
www.asanet.org/press/20100223/…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilit…



Everyone knows that as many of my written pieces in my gallery, suggest that education is the all to end all to address pretty much everything from decreasing number of unwanted pregnancies, to of course strengthening the education system, to decrease the number of people on welfare, as well as prison… it is a core part but is not the only part with respect to welfare and prison reform of which I may do a piece later on that.

I am not saying I am anti-adoption, in fact I believe we should try to make it easier to adopt people, by …hiring more case agents, which would lessen the case load of each agent allowing for them to do more home checks, background checks on potential parents etc

So, the point of this stamp was to somewhat comment on the other stamps that I see on here saying, ADOPT NOT ABORT!!!, where they premise their argument as if adoption will solve our abortion problem which it will not.

Let us look at facts, as previously stated we have 150K+ kids who go into the foster care permanently each year, meaning they will never return home.

We adopt out 122K kids on average..

That alone is a Net Positive of 28,000

Now, using the number above that America average 1,000,000 abortions per year.

Let us say 25% of these women chose to give their babies up for adoption [I am being modest here since I believe if abortion were illegal the real number would be around 50% ..or 500K]

Okay so that is an addition 250,000 kids that will be placed into the foster system every year so a net positive of 278,000 kids that will be in the foster care system

As well as, for many pro life people, not all, but many I see tend to be very conservative and believe we should strip the welfare program, these people are lazy but if you outlaw abortion, that will be an addition 750K kids, mostly to poor and low income people who will in turn, more than likely go on welfare… so I fail to see how this solves the problem.

The solution is not JUST how can we make the adopting process easier, it is also how do we decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies, which would include … better access to birth control for men AND women, so the pill, condoms, etc etc, and an in depth sex education class

Do you not find it a bit odd that the state, Texas, which has stripped an in depth sex education course from its Junior High School and High School curriculum has one of the fastest rising teen pregnancy rates? …. Oops. And Texas also accounts for nearly 9% of all abortions in America … double oops.
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
of 579,700 women who got pregnant in that last study only a few years ago, 15% got abortions, meaning 86,955 abortions in Texas alone… so nearly 9% of all abortions for that year and if you look at these links:
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/t…
www.dshs.state.tx.us/chs/vstat…


So, the question remains, will we, the people, ensure that there are in depth sex education classes in schools or will we say this does not work even though we know that it does decrease pregnancy rates, and by extension abortion rates.
… though even for the teens or parents who are against abortion, decreasing pregnancy rates, which also by extension decrease the number of teens who have babies and go on welfare… so while adoption will not solve the problem with abortion… the only way to solve the issue of abortion is doing what we know decreases abortion rates.

For me the issue at hand which is more important, is pro-quality of-life. What I generally hear from many pro-lifers is OH JUST LET THE FETUS BE BROUGHT TO TERM!!! ADOPTION.. while they look at underfunded foster care system, with under paid case agents that are trying their hardest… or when the woman does have the baby and keep it, and may need some assistance they demonize her saying, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE BABY IF YOU COULD NOT TAKE CARE OF IT!!!!! .. or wish to cut programs to help such people, yes, welfare is what I am speaking of. Many of the new cases, are low income, women with newborn babies.

For the record, I am not anti, women on welfare, those who I speak with often know that I have some things I believe should be reformed in the welfare system to better the woman, get her more work ready etc but am not against the program in a general sense.


Here are my views on abortion in a generalized sense
Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Stamps have same writing but two different stamps
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…

Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Comments: 412

MissMoet In reply to ??? [2012-08-15 16:22:00 +0000 UTC]

I never heard the statement that adoption will solve an abortion problem.
Even before reading your well explained blog, I knew that if someone said that to me I wouldnt agree.

Education alone will not solve the problem, abortions are happening in all 'classes' if you can call it that. I dont believe in abortion as a form of birth control. I believe in the womans right to decide no matter of the circumstances, even though I may not agree with the circumstances. I do feel that an abortion should be forbidden at a certain stage of pregnancy, in Germany that is 12 weeks. I think in the Netherlands its legal until 24 weeks after conception. They also have an abortion pill that can be taken up to 49 days after the last menstruation. For some reason that pill is not legal yet in Germany. But the netherlands have one of the lowest abortion rates of the world, I wonder if that pill plays a role, but I havent looked into that matter.

okay my 5 cents to your blog

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AtheosEmanon In reply to MissMoet [2012-08-15 16:44:26 +0000 UTC]

If you do a simple "adoption" on deviant art you will see plenty of stamps and pieces about anyone who aborts babies are selfish and that they could just give the baby up for adoption and that we could adopt out the kids and that will somehow fix the issue but they never seem to address ways to actually decrease the abortion rates.

I did not say education alone will solve it, but education will go towards decreasing the number of abortions in general, but will not completely wipe out abortion, I do not think anything will completely wipe out abortion….unless there are no more people but that is a different matter entirely.

Yes, yet look at the “classes” that make up the bulk of abortions, I am speaking of in America, I do not know the abortion statistics in depth of your country, Germany. But in America, in general the most abortions are happening to young people, generally from the lower scale of the income graph between 14-26 especially. Yet as the studies I linked to above shown, when sex ed was introduced you saw a decrease in pregnancy rates but also abortion rates… to contrast it I showed the state which has pretty much wiped out its sex ed classes now has one of the fastest growing teen pregnancy rates and that one state making up nearly 9% of all abortions in the country… which is a very red state which has not went blue for a president since Jimmy Carter.

I do not think anyone agrees with it as a form of birth control per se, … such as I do not think anyone would go, woo hoo you had 15 abortions woo hoo… but I do believe the right for an abortion should remain legal even though we have many now trying to make it illegal in this country.

In America you basically can get an abortion during the first trimester, so 12 weeks, … unless the mother’s life is in danger then you can get it at pretty much any stage or if it is far along they may just induce contractions and get the baby out… I will also look into that pill, I know we have the abortion pill here
[link]

since the planned parenthood says how much it costs ..
But have not looked into it as it factors into the abortion statistics which generally only tracks those done in clinics, hospitals, and planned parenthood centers.

Oops, long winded

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MissMoet In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-08-15 16:53:08 +0000 UTC]

it is a long winded subject...and since our cultural situation is way different, it makes it interesting.

we do have teenager pregnancies, and the number is getting higher, but its still low compared to the rest of the world.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to MissMoet [2012-08-16 00:33:36 +0000 UTC]

I believe for the time being, given its population size and child policy China will be number 1 or at least towards the top in abortions for a long while.

In America, and more than likely there... the better the economy the more kids that are grown and generally a short spike in abortion rates ... I guess because more people have money in their pockets and are hm having more sex ..

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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-02 03:45:45 +0000 UTC]

I don't think that we should have an one child policy like they do in China because a lot of women are forced to have abortions against their will. What I will say is that we do need to have more sex ED in school. Also a lot of teenage pregnancies happen because the boy pressured the girl to have sex with them and I think we also need to teach girls to better defend them selves and teach boys that no means no. 

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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-02 13:29:10 +0000 UTC]

I looked at the comment that you replied to - - and that comment did not say that we should get a one child policy like china has. So I admit that I am a bit unsure of the "I don't think that we should have an one child policy like they do in China because a lot of women are forced to have abortions against their will."

i am in disagreement with the policy, yet do understand why they have such a policy - I am also against forced abortions whether it is done in America, China where ever.

I agree that we need more sex education, preferably starting in junior high school - - -  well teenagers are both fitting into their roles and believe sex makes them adults, this goes for boys and girls, so I will not make it seem as though only the boy is to blame

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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-02 18:52:31 +0000 UTC]

No the boys isn't souly to blame I agree. I would say the problem is that a lot of parents want their kids to remain "pure" but keeping them in the dark about sex isn't working. 

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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-02 20:08:08 +0000 UTC]

That I would agree with, many parents do not want to talk to their kids about sex - - yet some of them also do not want anyone else such as a school to talk to them about sex

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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-02 23:44:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah that's just resulted in a big mess. Parents need to understand that sex isn't a dirty thing it's a natural thing that kids need to understand. Once they understand the number of teen pregnancies should go down. 

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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-03 00:02:46 +0000 UTC]

My parents never much shied away from the topic o sex. My father was pretty much open about me asking him whatever questions I had, and he rarely sugarcoated anything and told it like it was. - -- Many parents are not willing to do that

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WoodLily In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-02-03 00:38:10 +0000 UTC]

You're pretty lucky. 

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AtheosEmanon In reply to WoodLily [2014-02-03 02:15:49 +0000 UTC]

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Childe-Of-Fyre In reply to ??? [2012-08-15 06:44:10 +0000 UTC]

This is very well laid out and written. I'm in full agreement as well. Now, if only more folks would think it through so logically as this...

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Childe-Of-Fyre [2012-08-15 13:42:07 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!!! Thank you as well for the fave of the piece, that was very much appreciated.

I hope so as well, it is clear that adoption will not solve the problem with abortion since it does not even cover the kids we already have going into the foster care system, much less if we outlawed abortion and had even more kids going into the system.

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