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AtheosEmanon — Atheism does not mean Communism
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Published: 2012-08-14 23:34:36 +0000 UTC; Views: 2023; Favourites: 42; Downloads: 4
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This is more of a generalized "Atheism" =/= communism.. here is the more "personal" one of Atheist does not equal Communist..[link]
An atheist group I “liked” on facebook shared this photo today,
A picture of Richard Dawkins with the words “For the last fucking time… “Atheism” doesn’t meant “Communism”
For the record, I do not believe this is a real Dawkins quote or rather I could find no place where he said it.
It made me think of the many debates I have had, as well as the views of my deviant art stalker… where people, generally Christian conservatives say that atheism and communism are the same things or use the terms interchangeably.
Atheism simply means that one has a disbelief in god(s), pass that it tells nothing of a person. It does not tell of their politics, their world views, their social, economic situation, etc etc Pass that what a person believes or their manner of acting does not really denote their disbelief in god(s).
Their logic behind it, or shall I say their logical fallacy is … because several well –known communists were atheists… that must mean that communism and atheism are synonymous…. Even though there are many communists who are religious, there are many atheists who were/are, fascists, conservatives, liberals etc etc so the fixture makes no sense….
That would be like me naming a conservative atheist and saying, all conservatives are atheists… or taking Hitler, and saying everyone who is a member of his religious views are all fascists .. but that would be moronic of me as it is moronic to say atheism is synonymous term with communism.
I do not know what else to put, if you are an atheist, agnostic, theist, [I myself am an agnostic atheist]
“Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.”
Courtesy of Wikipedia:
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…and wish to know my views, here are some of the stuff I have written, to know my views on other things .. look in my gallery or simply ask in a note, or page comment and if it is a good topic perhaps I will write a piece on it and link you to it.
Other pieces to check out:
American is not number 1: [link]
Anti-American Me: [link]
Not fiscally conservative, fiscally pragmatic [link]
Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism [link]
My political ideologies: [link]
Liberals and gun ownership: [link]
Why socialism? [link]
Pure socialism vs democratic socialism [link]
Gay Rights:
Gay rights in America I: [link]
Gay rights in America II: [link]
Debate with an “ex gay” Christian convert: [link]
Gay is the New Black. my opinion: [link]
Influence map: [link]
An atheist on theism & atheism: [link]
Declaration of truth: [link]
What it means to be an atheist: [link]
Atheist leftist answers your questions...:
[link]
An atheist debates an atheist on theism: [link]
Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: [link]
Abortion stamp 1: [link]
Abortion stamp 2: [link]
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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well communists are the only people to have instaured an officially atheistic regime - and it was shit every single time
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Their view was everyone ought to be alike and they felt religion divided, it does but as a freedom loving person they should still have the right to believe what they wish
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I have heard some make that argument but I am not amongst them. For to say Stalin killed people because he was a Communist is saying the point of or a part of Communism is killing.. to which in general I know of no ideological view which has a basis of killing...
Stalin killed like authoritarian rulers kill.. threats to people or snubbing out those that may not fit into their ideal society for this or that reason... but as they say, such is life.
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dont force people to take down shit like statues n whatnot then, if you dont believe in it then thats your right if you dont like oranges dont eat oranges but dont tell me to keep mine in my pocket and only eat it in some dark corner cause the sight of something you dont agree with might "offend" you.
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"dont force people to take down shit like statues n whatnot then"
Hm, I was unaware that "I" was "forcing" anyone to take down "statues n whatnot"
Though, if I do not believe a statue should be in place X, would take more than that to be communistic..
Is there some constitutional thing with oranges or legal precedent with oranges in which would give someone a reason to ban oranges?..
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It's sad that one would even have to point this out. :-/
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I agree, you'd be surprised how many times when I debate and say I am an atheist.... OH SO YOU SUPPORT STALIN, MAO!!...wait..what?...
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Communism = Anti-religion
Dawkins = Anti-religion
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I am Athesit and i hate Communism! Atheist=/=Communism/
Fuck the Communism!
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... What about the Christian commies?... or other religious based commies...
Communism seems more anti hierarchical structures, which may include religion, then just being anti religion at such a simple premise.
Dawkins said they can believe whatever they want, that he has no problem with that but when they bring their views to the public field and try to implement policy based on their views then yes, they open themselves up for questioning..
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Communists where anti-religious, communist states where state atheist, the only christian communists where in the free world, there where christians in communist states but they didn't mix their faith with the ideology, nor where they so free to have faith.
Dawkins is anti-religious jerk to the bone, I agree that christians musn't be fundamentalist but atheists musn't be fundamentalist either, Dawkins shows hate towards all religious people and religions either peaceful, neutral or fundamentalist, he promotes hate against all religions and his followers become intolerant anti-religious douches that give non-religious people a bad name.
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Some of them were, yes, and yet you did have and still have today people who are religious and consider themselves communists, so while communism or rather communists that are well known may have had negative views towards religion, we should not conclude then to be a communist one must be anti religious, or to act as if to be a communist is synonymous with being anti religious, for that is not true.
Yet, I am speaking of communist as individuals, since there are more individual communist than there are communist states and not just those living under “communist states”.
Well someone being a jerk is subjective, and you are entitled to that view.
Well there is fundamentalist and then there is extremist, if they believe in their heart of hearts that this or that is true, okay, I do not much care. When they start taking these views to extremities and committing acts against those that do not fall into their ideal view is when there is a problem.
I do not consider the man a “jerk”, you do and that is fine.
“towards all” .. He has paneled many things with many religious people and was cordial to them, we must not make vast jumps between his disagreement with someone’s views and claiming he “hates” people just because they are religious.
.. so I will have to disagree with your last line as well, but you are entitled to your view.
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Communism is an Economic Ideology
Atheism is lack of belief in Deity (till 2007 when it became a religion like any other thnx to Dawkintards......)
Communism is Atheistic and Antitheistic in general
Every Communist is Atheist
Not Every Atheist is Communist
btw
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"Communism is an Economic Ideology "
I agree.
"Atheism is lack of belief in Deity (till 2007 when it became a religion like any other thnx to Dawkintards......) "
I disagree, I am an agnostic atheist and enjoy the works of Dawkins, in which I do not see how discussing it is in itself a religion but you are entitled to that view.
"Communism is Atheistic and Antitheistic in general"
I disagree, while surely Marxian communism surely seems to be, like most things, it is not black and white and while smaller, you do have religious based communistic groups, such as Jewish Communism, Christian Communism etc..
"Every Communist is Atheist"
I disagree, especially when looking at the Christian communists who are both communists and ..Christian. I try not to use absolutist positions such as "Every" since there will always be exceptions to the rule...
"Not Every Atheist is Communist "
I agree.
" Death to Capitalist Pigs!!!"
.. I will be on that death list... sounds fun...
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Even though all Communist are Atheist. i.e. Lenin, Stalin, Marx, ect.
Atheism was the state's religion, there was not religion in the USSR.
Communism is a political orientation, I have Atheist friends who aren't Communist, but support Communism.
Atheism does not mean Communism, but Communism sees Atheism has there preferred religion.
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"Even though all Communist are Atheist. i.e. Lenin, Stalin, Marx, ect. "
I would disagree, all communists are not atheists. The three you cited were, but surely you are not saying since those three were, then all are. I would tell you to look up "Christian Communism", you also have Jewish communists, Muslim Communists etc.. Communism is more so a collectivist or supreme egalitarian idea than it is an atheistic movement.
"Atheism was the state's religion, there was not religion in the USSR. "
While it is true that those particular communist were atheists, and they had a "atheistic" view for society, all communists are not atheists.
So I would agree that atheism was the "state religion" this particular piece did not single out a specific communistic society, but more so the ideology of communism which of course is more so, seeming an egalitarian view, and one of the ways those men thought were the eradication of religion. Yet there have been those of course for some time who have taken the ideological idealism of Marxism, but interpreted it in a modern way of egalitarianism in their societal wishes. [such as the Christian Communists are the most well known of the religious order of communism]
"Communism is a political orientation, I have Atheist friends who aren't Communist, but support Communism. "
Just as I am sure you have, or know of atheists who are anti communism. Which is fine of course, every individual is entitled to his or her own view.
"Atheism does not mean Communism, but Communism sees Atheism has there preferred religion. "
I would push back a bit and say communism sees religion as a dividing goal, not necessarily the belief in god. Under Stalinist regimes, Leninist regimes etc you did have people who believed in god, and some even identified with a religion or so but in general I would say these men saw religion as a dividing force and not necessarily a belief in god..
On a separate matter, very nice gallery.
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I agree, I think only individual deeds can be good or bad..
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Stalin, Kim Jong Il and Pol pots deeds were bad. Very bad.
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On that I greatly agree.. I sometimes wonder, would communism, even if people disagree with it, would have a better view at least if Trotsky, instead of Stalin took charge...
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Yes, I think that Che Guevara's deeds were good though.
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In the general scheme of things I agree.
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