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This is a simple stamp I am doing. I do not think this requires much explanation. Looking around on this site, and on another site that I am on [sodahead] people get so angry when you will not equate Muslim with terrorist.If you do not say that all Muslims are terrorists they smear you as anti American. Which is idiotic.
As someone who has many Muslim family members, several of whom are in the US military, two of whom have died in combat defending this country.
It would be a disservice to my family, especially the Muslims [all muslims even those who are not in my family] who died defending this country, to just lump them all in with the terrorists and textual literalists. Yes, there may be some questionable verses in the Quran where modern terrorists will use for their personal gains, but most of these texts are taken and should be understand from a historical standpoint of what Muhammad and other Muslims went through in the infancy of the faith where being a new religion left them open to attacks from the established faiths and being of a cultural difference in a time where culture was all that mattered also left them open to some attacks. So when used in modern tongue to incite violence, it would do a disservice to their own faith in that the same book that they use to speak of violence speaks to them not being the ones who are supposed to instigate said violence in many other verses.
It is one thing to say Islamic extremists are bad and condemn them. It is quite another thing to say ALL MUSLIMS are bad people because of what the extremists do. If extremists do terrible things, I shall condemn them, I shall not then say well... they were Muslims so all Muslims are bad. That, to me, makes no sense.
I condemn all acts of religious extremism or acts that are done by non-religious people who needlessly kill innocent people. Yet I will not go..well that person is a Christian, so all Christians are bad. That person is a Jew, so all Jews are bad. That person is a Muslim, so all Muslims are bad. That person is an atheist, so all atheists are bad.
Then you always get the.. typical liberal!!! Muslim apologist!!
It is not that we defend Muslims, it is that we do not condemn the vast majority who have not done anything and attempt to attribute the actions of the extremists to them….for that is not logically sound.
My favorite is when they try and use the text of Islam to show why all Muslims are terrorist… yeah, I guess all Jews are terrorists as well since their text aka old testament is just as bad…
People of all religions have their extremists. I would no more smear Muslims for the terrorists acts of the minority than I would smear all Christians for the tens of thousands of kids that have been abused and in some cases killed by extremist Christians in south Africa [“Saving Africa’s witch children” is the name of the documentary done on this] nor would I condemn all Christians for the acts of the “Lord's Resistance Army” who are a Christian paramilitary group who is killing people, raping people, etc.
I mean if the only basis for judging them as people is the text then certainly stoning your mother for wearing a dress of different fabrics, stoning anyone who is not a virgin, stoning anyone who believes in a different god.. all of which are in the old testament would also qualify those groups as terrorists...
As Aesop says in his “The wolf and the lamb” … “A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny” Okay, some groups, like the Islamic extremists, use religion, others use nationalism, others use ethnicity… does not make the whole group bad.
So I will say again, I will not smear all Muslims, as bad people because of what a minority of their faith does, that, to me, makes absolutely no sense at all.
I may be an atheist, but as stated above, I have family members who are Muslim, Christians, Jewish, Buddhists and many other faiths. So it would not be logically sound for me to smear ALL MUSLIMS as being terrorists for what a small minority of the faith does.
If you have a different opinion, that is great, then make your own stamp equating Islam/Muslims to terrorism. I am not here to have an online pissing match.
As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Yuriiian In reply to ??? [2020-03-04 01:07:55 +0000 UTC]
He is lol
Then you were never a 'true' Muslim in the first place lol.
Good luck
Have a good day at work/school/home <3
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TheKillerCrab0 In reply to Anishur [2023-10-20 22:52:15 +0000 UTC]
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TheKillerCrab0 In reply to b-anned-ag4in [2023-10-22 01:05:23 +0000 UTC]
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Mrcherd In reply to Anishur [2020-09-02 14:31:32 +0000 UTC]
I am muslim and I don't hate non-muslim
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TheKillerCrab0 In reply to Nikki1975 [2023-10-20 22:52:59 +0000 UTC]
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TeslaTitanicX In reply to Anishur [2019-08-01 16:01:18 +0000 UTC]
And you must be proud of Christchurch shooting
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Anishur [2019-03-04 22:29:11 +0000 UTC]
1.8 billion Muslims.. a lot of folks to hate
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bobvlad In reply to drochunafurrey [2021-12-29 05:31:29 +0000 UTC]
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AtheosEmanon In reply to drochunafurrey [2018-12-12 10:36:18 +0000 UTC]
For your premise to be correct you would have to believe that every terrorist that has ever lived is a Muslim.. that is the only way there is a 1:1 of those things.
As well as believe that every Muslim is a terrorist is one believes to be a Muslim is equal to being a terrorist, which makes no reasonable sense.
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drochunafurrey In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-12-12 15:31:16 +0000 UTC]
You're right, exist also jewish terrorists (who killed Alexander II, did WTC and still continue to terrorize USA and rest white world)
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IslamistTroll In reply to drochunafurrey [2023-03-21 04:10:27 +0000 UTC]
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bobvlad In reply to drochunafurrey [2021-12-29 05:32:42 +0000 UTC]
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AtheosEmanon In reply to drochunafurrey [2018-12-12 21:39:30 +0000 UTC]
Terrorists come of many beliefs structures, races etc.. so the idea that "terrorist = Muslim" one would have to disregard reality.
I am not familiar with the Jews being responsible for the WTC bombings, either the 1993 one or the 2001 one. But yes, There are Jewish terrorists, Muslim terrorists, if you look at India right now you see Hindu terrorists killing many Muslims.
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bobvlad In reply to AtheosEmanon [2022-01-29 03:51:34 +0000 UTC]
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InexorableWinter In reply to ??? [2018-09-10 17:34:45 +0000 UTC]
Ahh yes the classic. So I've noticed all these stamps you've made and you've made it horrendously clear you're biased towards Muslims, just like pretty much all the left today
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NightmarishWarlord In reply to InexorableWinter [2018-10-01 00:01:03 +0000 UTC]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYV7KW…
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AtheosEmanon In reply to InexorableWinter [2018-09-11 12:02:29 +0000 UTC]
I have made it horrendously clear that I do not peddle in bullshit, if you find the stamp is wrong, then prove your case.
When you have people saying Muslim by definition equals terrorist then that is not a logically sound argument. But if you wish to prove such then by all means.
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VforVignette453 In reply to ??? [2018-04-16 18:07:02 +0000 UTC]
Couldn't have said it any better myself
Lets not even get started on how the "classic liberals" who beat the dead horse on radical islam to try to justify illiberalism and ethno-nationalism; the two most toxic kinds of political ideologies aside from white supremacy. And then they wonder why leftists and social justice advocates hold contempt for them.
This issue isn't Muslims; its the fuckin' wahhabists. A pity people don't get that.
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IslamistTroll In reply to VforVignette453 [2023-03-21 23:30:40 +0000 UTC]
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ZellaZimog In reply to VforVignette453 [2022-12-04 10:30:59 +0000 UTC]
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CandyGalaxxy In reply to VforVignette453 [2018-08-26 01:09:10 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for saying this I’m a Muslim and I’m tired of people saying we caused 9/11 like wth my best friend said on musically this one girl said she caused 9/11 SHE WASNT EVEN BORN WHEN IT HAPPENED
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AtheosEmanon In reply to VforVignette453 [2018-04-17 16:42:31 +0000 UTC]
Fully agreed, especially about Wahhabism and yet my country's (United states - did not go to your page to see if you are also in the US) closest "allies" is as Secular Talk on youtube says "al qaeda that made it" Saudi Arabia has beaten rape victims, have beheaded witches, a few years ago declared atheism a terrorist ideology, arrested a many for apostasy because he posted online that he no longer believes in Islam and is an atheist ..
has whipped journalists for speaking against the monarchy and yet we turn a blind eye to all that.
Yup, if you wanna call out Islamic extremists, do that all day I have no issue. but when they try the AND THAT IS WHY ALL MUSLIMS ARE... if where they lose me.
If 1.6 billion Muslims were all terrorists we would already be fucked.
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bobvlad In reply to AtheosEmanon [2021-12-22 02:04:57 +0000 UTC]
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bobvlad In reply to AtheosEmanon [2021-12-22 02:04:18 +0000 UTC]
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bobvlad In reply to AtheosEmanon [2021-12-22 02:03:57 +0000 UTC]
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VforVignette453 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-04-18 01:50:29 +0000 UTC]
Indeed.
What's your opinion on people like Mohammad Tawhidi who call themselves Islamic reformists?
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IslamistTroll In reply to VforVignette453 [2023-03-21 04:24:20 +0000 UTC]
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bobvlad In reply to VforVignette453 [2021-12-29 05:34:56 +0000 UTC]
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AtheosEmanon In reply to VforVignette453 [2018-04-18 12:51:53 +0000 UTC]
I will have to look him up, but I think the greater issue is people think it is religion and forget the politics.
Not of Islam, but of the West.
Such as have you read this?
www.politico.eu/article/why-th…
a great piece by Robert F. kennedy
the US has been in Syria trying to destabilize it since 1949 according to a US congress report in the 1950s. and that report from the 1950s said the countries we wanted to overthrow and destabilize since the 1940s were
"The so called “Bruce-Lovett Report,” to which he was a signatory, described CIA coup plots in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Egypt, all common knowledge on the Arab street, but virtually unknown to the American people who believed, at face value, their government’s denials."
I do not believe in coincidences when evidence tells me otherwise.. I do not think it a coincidence that the same countries the CIA .. not according to some conspiracy group but from a United States Congress investigation on the activities of the CIA . were trying to destabilize decades ago are the very countries we are bombing now.
So yes "Islam" may be part of it, but another part .. aside from religion is the politics.
We backed groups like Al Qaeda when we wanted to fight Saddam in the Gulf War.. .and then after funding em.. did nothing else.
Even now in Syria we are backing. monetarily and with weapons Islamic fundamentalists groups for the sole purpose of overthrowing a government.
So if someone wants to "reform" Islam, great the greater issue .. the West must stop interfering in their country.. many of them do not dislike the West because SECULAR nonsense..no because they know what the West has been doing in their country for nearly 70 years
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bobvlad In reply to AtheosEmanon [2022-01-29 03:54:24 +0000 UTC]
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VforVignette453 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-04-18 12:57:12 +0000 UTC]
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you. I'm just curious as I know I'm no supporter of Tawhidi due to his apologism for nationalists.
As for the article? I will most certainly read it.
We certainly do play a factor in all of this. That we cannot deny.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to VforVignette453 [2018-04-19 13:42:56 +0000 UTC]
Ah he is one of "those" kind of reformists, I had never heard of the man. I do not like the whole.. those terrorists are not Muslims because... it is the No true scotsman fallacy.. to be a Muslim simply means to believe in Mohammed, and all of that .. like with anything hey.. there are terrible Muslims and majority are great.
As Aesop said "a Tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny"
Islamic fundamentalists use religion, Hitler used nationalism, Stalin and Mao used their own forms/variations of communism.
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Deleca-7755 In reply to ??? [2018-02-04 18:58:43 +0000 UTC]
I really don't understand why everyone thinks that? Seriously, I don't. I have a muslim friend, she's awesome!
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Deleca-7755 [2018-02-05 18:41:56 +0000 UTC]
Some folks are just scared of what they do not know. For some people all they know abut Muslims are what they see on tv.
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Safor [2018-02-02 00:09:17 +0000 UTC]
Not all muslims are jihadis but all jihadis are muslim.
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IslamistTroll In reply to Safor [2023-03-21 04:11:32 +0000 UTC]
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Safor [2018-02-02 14:28:10 +0000 UTC]
.. Yes, Jihadism being Islamic fundamentalism.
similar to saying not all White people are Klansman but all Klansman are white..
yes, because the KKK practice white supremacy.. for me in America.. and according to the FBI states white supremacists have instituted far more attacks than Islamic fundamentalism over the years
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Safor In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-02-04 15:44:12 +0000 UTC]
Apples and oranges. There is no muslim gene nor are babies born as muslims.
Besides the KKK problem does not make any other problem any lesser. Also what time scale are we talking about here and what body count? Severity does matter.
Not to mention that this is not just about the US.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Safor [2018-02-05 18:44:35 +0000 UTC]
Not particularly, I am in America, as such I am more likely to be attacked by a white supremacist than a Muslim.. as such that is what, domestically would occupy my time more than some general cliche of a small subset of a religion of 1.8 billion people.
We are speaking of the number of attacks, in the US according to the FBI.
Yes, not just the US, and if one wants to call out and speak against Islamic fundamentalism as I do all the time, SURE.. but the attempting to say 1.8 billion or even most of em hold the views of terrorism is a view at which not shown in action.
if even 900 million of em held such views.. this world would already be fucked.
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Safor In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-02-05 19:17:29 +0000 UTC]
Muslims being unwilling to do jihad was a issue recorded already in the days of Mohammed.
Thing is that the large majority is somewhat irrelevant. While they are not a threat by themselves they are also useless for curbing jihadism.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Safor [2018-02-05 19:34:24 +0000 UTC]
If one is to make a generalization of group, the percentage is always relevant. We generalize usually based on a majority, as such if there are 1.8 billion of a thing and a few million of them carrying out terrorist deeds then it is therefore not logically sound to generalize em all.
So one should combat extremism in Islam where they can, and see what causes such extremism or what can lead to it and try best to root that out.
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Safor In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-02-05 20:34:16 +0000 UTC]
As I said not all muslims are jihadis.
Also you can't combat "extremism" in Islam without combating Islam itself. Its a feature designed into the system, not a bug.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Safor [2018-02-05 20:52:53 +0000 UTC]
"Also you can't combat "extremism" in Islam without combating Islam itself. Its a feature designed into the system, not a bug."
I disagree, because by your very statement you imply Islam is extremist .. if such were true then you are either saying of the 1.8 billion only the few million committing acts of terrorism are following the faith..
Islam.. like we see in the violent old text of Judaism is from a people 1000+ years ago written in a way of what they were going through, the battles and persecution at the time.. like the OVERWHELMING majority of Jews do not commit any acts of violence, we have only seen a few Jewish terrorists in the last few years.. so is my view of Islam.. only a very small percentage of that 1.8 billion read the text literally and commit violence from that
but as Aesop said in "A wolf and lamb" a tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny
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Safor In reply to AtheosEmanon [2018-02-05 21:21:22 +0000 UTC]
Well no, Islam is a self-contradictory dualistic religion.
The more violent and more peaceful mutually exclusive verses are both correct Islam. And yes this is a logical fallacy but as far as religions go its not that rare.
And Islam was after the Meccan period gradually changed to be a fitting pretext for a tyrant and this tyrant was the very same person whom invented this religion.
Or it could be considered a example of how power corrupts.
Also violence justified by Islam is much broader than just terrorism like Islam provides justification for raping western women.
Statistically a iraqi migrant living in Finland is about 50 times more likely to rape than a native finn or in Sweden the amount of rape has increased by a factor of 8 in 22 years.
You see most US muslim migrants have first went through a filter that was tight already before Trump.
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