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I decided to make this for a few reasons..While I am a racially and ethnically mixed[Black, Russian, German, Jewish, Native American -Cherokee and Irish lineage] I am also a leftist, Liberal, progressive, democratic socialist
When it comes to politics, most blacks do not vote for the conservatives which in America tends to be the Republican party, for me, I never care much for party. While modern day I tend to vote for more Democrats than Republicans because I agree more with them on social and economic issues even if not perfectly [I would much prefer if Bernie Sanders were president].. since 1936 no Republican has won the black vote..
NOTE: this is not a piece endorsing any one political ideology, so if you wish to debate amongst yourselves of your political views, then have at it, I shall not be engaging in such in this piece as I have enough pieces which tell of my views to debate on…
After I answered this email question from an older Black man who is a conservative Republican here
atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
I did not give it much though, until I was on facebook page, and they posted this picture here
i103.photobucket.com/albums/m1…
Here is the page and the picture post if you wish to see the comments for yourself:
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi…
The guy said:
A. Williams - That fact there's a Blacc Man up in that shows uncle toms unfortunately are still here. He's a disgrace to his race, disgrace to his ancestors and he needs a serious look in the mirror. How you you go against a right that is against YOUR OWN RACE AND OTHER PPL LIKE THEM! Just looking at his face siccens me.
A. Williams - He should never call himself black, Afro American, negro watever he can just call himself Uncle Tom or/and slave of the rich both in mind and body.
^^ REALLY? Because Clarence Thomas is a conservative and may not agree with a law or even just wish to review a law that means he is an “uncle tom” and .. should never call himself black because he is not lock in step with your politics? So, does that mean that the other Justices who voted to review it are okay ?...
I replied to the guy on the pic and said
As I said here atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar… when a black conservative asked me a question, I do wish people would stop using "uncle Tom" as a bad thing which does not then portray the negative stereotype that it is a bad thing for blacks to be thought of as equal
"With respect to them calling you “Uncle Tom” this has to be one of the best attacks against Blacks by Blacks … started by Whites. I think to understand the insult, we must first understand the man, Who was Uncle Tom? By most accounts, Uncle Tom - whose real name was Josiah Henson [went by or was called Uncle Tom] was a Black man that should be greatly respected. Here you have a man who was promised by his Master that if he could raise $450.00 [1830 money, which would be around $11,250 today]… After years of working, he had raised the money for his freedom, but when he went to give his Master the $450.00 to buy the freedom for him, his wife, and their four children.. only to find that the Master had raised the price from $450.00 to $1,350.00 or around $34,000 in today’s money. Rather than work for many years more, Mr. Henson escaped to Canada, where he started his own business trying to help escaped slaves by teaching them laboring skills to which would allow for them have a skill and find employment once they got up North.
At this time, being called an “Uncle Tom” by a White person meant that the Black person was seeming uppity, or raising above their status set in life.. in a sense, of acting “White” … over the centuries sadly, many Blacks in this country have used this as an insult, which, in my opinion, is more of a disgrace to the memory of Mr. Henson that they believe that escaping slavery with your family, starting your own business and helping others is “acting White” so with respect to them calling you Uncle Tom – I have been called this but as a child I was already taught who the man was thus when called this I took it not an insult - but took comfort in their ignorance, lack of knowledge within them; and their calling me or equating me to a man of his stature. So, the next time anyone calls you that, might I suggest telling them to go read up on who Uncle Tom aka Josiah Henson was… and if they still think it an insult - then merely smirk at their ignorance and move on."
If you do not agree with Thomas's politics, as I do not, then that is fine but the "unle tom" plays into the exact divisive thing as it was intended... as I said Uncle Tom is the greatest smite against blacks by blacks..started by whites
Shared the pic though, good day
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Did he know that more republicans, as far as percentage goes, voted for the bill than Dems?.. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for it.
Did he not know that the first Seven black members of congress were Republican?
I am a leftist, I am a liberal, progressive, democratic socialist
I do not know what else to say, I grow very weary when we start saying you are this race so you should be of this political ideology, you are this race so you should be of this economic view.
Clarence Thomas is a man that I, as a leftist, do not agree with on many issues, but … Calling him Uncle Tom and saying he should not call himself black? Really?
SOME BLACKS ARE CONSERVATIVE, GET THE FUCK OVER IT.
^^ I admit when I thought of this it reminded me of that gay rights campaign of “some dudes marry dudes - get over it]
Okay, I guess I am done… I may or may be addressing comments, if you do not agree, fine then make your own stamp saying whatever… I am not conservative but I do not think we should start assigning a political view to a race.
Goes back to my liberal, progressive, democratic socialist cave.
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Other pieces to check out/other views of mine:
1 percent can solve the world poverty issue: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
I will give 1%: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
American is not number 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Anti-American Me: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Not fiscally conservative, fiscally pragmatic atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Leftist Pragmatism vs. Rightist Idealism atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
My political ideologies: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Liberals and gun ownership: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Why socialism? atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Pure socialism vs democratic socialism atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Gay Rights:
Gay rights in America I: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Gay rights in America II: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Debate with an “ex gay” Christian convert: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Gay is the New Black. my opinion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Influence map: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
An atheist on theism & atheism: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Declaration of truth: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
What it means to be an atheist: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Atheist leftist answers your questions...:
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An atheist debates an atheist on theism: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion pieces:
[main piece] Abortion: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 1: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Abortion stamp 2: atheosemanon.deviantart.com/ar…
Songs listened to while typing
Sweet Honey in the Rock - Ella's Song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwEwLn…
Lori Petty –Up against the wind: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL189h…
Stand by ME. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-U5a…
We are the world - original www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzDCBg…
Tracy Chapman - talking about a revolution www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZbvi…
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Comments: 34
wakaflockaflame1 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2016-05-29 00:15:21 +0000 UTC]
*sigh* Interesting.
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VforVignette453 [2015-11-19 03:46:31 +0000 UTC]
I remember a month ago getting into a fight with another liberal cause he thought it was funny to call Ben Carson an Uncle Tom and then use slave slang to make fun of him...
As much of an idiot as Ben is, calling him an uncle tom is unacceptable.
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NorthStars4ever In reply to VforVignette453 [2017-05-21 16:37:25 +0000 UTC]
what a hypocrite. leftist be SOOO obsessed with slavery and making sure no one uses that slang on blacks, and yet they find it perfectly okay to use them THEN?? Hypocrites >_>
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AtheosEmanon In reply to VforVignette453 [2015-11-20 00:56:30 +0000 UTC]
Carson is an idiot, I usually just attack him on his words. .like the Pyramid were made to hold grain, like Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery or my personal favorite that evolution comes from the devil...
but I agree that all of "uncle tome" or "slave slang" makes no sense .. he leaves enough to make fun of him all on his own
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VforVignette453 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-11-21 04:19:06 +0000 UTC]
And it just makes the left-wing look bad when people do that crap
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AtheosEmanon In reply to VforVignette453 [2015-11-22 07:55:10 +0000 UTC]
I meant Uncle tom. not uncle tome but yeah..
Well all sides have their morons the ones who does that just happens to be ours
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DarkVikingMistress [2015-04-26 04:40:35 +0000 UTC]
What the fuck...whoever said that blacks can't be conservative is ignorant...both American democrat AND republican parties have been at fault in the past when it comes to the white American treatment of blacks...a democratic president created the Jim Crow Laws and they were pushed for by white democrat supporters in the south, also the initial suffragette movement has been thought to be perpetuated or at least supported in part by the KKK meaning it was exclusionary of black or minority race women...I don't think most ANYONE was completely innocent of being racist pre-1960s. It's a scary thought, but we should just accept that for everyone in general, racism was acceptable and highly perpetuated until the 1960s-1980s where everyone suddenly became aware of their faults. Our grandparents, and great-grandparents, they were probably all racists. No one's exempt because of politics...this coming from a white liberal.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to DarkVikingMistress [2015-04-27 00:46:29 +0000 UTC]
Neither are innocent at all, originally after the civil war it was the Southern Dems that were pushing most of these laws, but in the last 1800s .. the Republican party with their Lily-white movement en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-whi… ; started kicking blacks out of the Republican party and started adopting the segregation platform of the Southern Democrats.. it was not until FDR that we saw what was then and what is still now the Democratic Base
I cannot speak to my grandparents .. I mean my mother's father was a white [Russian, German, Jewish Irish lineage\] and fell in love with a half Black Half Cherokee woman and had 14 kids with her.. .and minus my grandfather.. eh my their parents were either slaves or had parents who were slaves speaking of my mother so eh they may have hated whites for making them such I would imagine..
But yeah, party white neither are exempt .. while Dems started the KKK in the South.. does no one remember DC Stephenson? ... KKK leader, Republican.. who was one of the most powerful political people IN THE NORTH... but alas... what can ya do..
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NorthStars4ever In reply to AtheosEmanon [2017-05-22 17:06:27 +0000 UTC]
I thought lily-white was a small faction in the republican party. oh well, I could be wrong
Are you sure it was that early? FDR in 1935? Then could you explain Lyndon Johnson in the 60s on how the Democratic Party was so slow to sign the civil rights act? Just curious. I'd hate to sound rude or condescending. "These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."
India right here XD Well, india, Slavic, German and Scandinavian. People joke with me all the time about Indians being the blacks of Asia XD I know it's satirical, but they are not that wrong tbh. We had our moment in the sun with the Indus river valley civilization and the gupta dynasty. then we got raped by every other nation on the planet perpetually for centuries >_> mostly from every Islamic empire, China, England, France and Portugal but I'm sure more joined in.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to NorthStars4ever [2017-05-22 18:38:19 +0000 UTC]
"I thought lily-white was a small faction in the republican party. oh well, I could be wrong "
Was less of a faction and more along the same rules as you see with the DNC lawsuit, the party claiming they are a private organization so can do almost whatever they want .. including kicking out blacks from the party or in the case of the DNC.. not hold true to their charter.
"Are you sure it was that early? FDR in 1935? Then could you explain Lyndon Johnson in the 60s on how the Democratic Party was so slow to sign the civil rights act?"
You are confusing separate things one speaks of party makeup and voting bloc as it pertains to presidential elections, and one speaks to party power and region, I said it was then when we saw what we know now as the Democratic base, workers, blacks, etc..
blackdemographics.com/culture/…
the demographic breakdown of the black vote going back to the 1930s, you see before then the black vote and party affiliation was pretty split between rep and Dem. but since FDR no Democratic president got less than 67% of the black vote
Factcheck.org
www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blac…
also speaks of how FDR brought blacks into the Democratic party, as a whole but voting for Presidents is far different than regional party affiliation.
If you were in the south, blacks were more likely to be Republicans, as you spread out and went north you saw blacks more likely to be Democrats in higher numbers
Yes, Southern Democrats at that time were very conservative yet what did you see after that? you saw those southern conservative white democrats, switch to Republican.
Yes, LBJ was known to use that word nigger quite a bit, yet the party platform if you go look at the Democratic party platform vs the Republican party platform, their platform reached more out to those of color than the Republicans which in the coded language was trying to go for that southern white bloc of voting base.
for further viewing, check out this AP History teacher, he sums up political dealignment and realignment in less than 8 mins
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNpPj6…
I am heading out for the day, if there is anything else at which you have questions with, with respect to that comment you replied to - just ask and when I see em tomorrow I will address em.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to LordElthibar [2013-09-26 23:25:50 +0000 UTC]
Glad that some blacks are conservative? ... Well I am not a conservative but if that is their choosing, have at it.
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LordElthibar In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-09-26 23:40:20 +0000 UTC]
At least we know that both sides get a taste of all the flavors. Both sides have both chocolate and vanilla.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to LordElthibar [2013-09-27 00:02:59 +0000 UTC]
Well of course black conservatives are nothing new
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LordElthibar In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-09-27 02:33:14 +0000 UTC]
Why don't you like conservatives though?
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AtheosEmanon In reply to LordElthibar [2013-09-27 04:34:58 +0000 UTC]
Who said I did not like them? I am not one, yet I hold no dislike of conservative people in general.
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ChaoticDarkAngel [2013-08-11 16:33:28 +0000 UTC]
I think anyone can be republican or democrat no matter what their skin color or race is. I never understood why it is so bad for a black person to be republican. Stacey Dash for example got bashed because she was previously a democrat but voted for Romney last year what is so bad about that? It's a person's choice who they choose to vote for and nobody should be attacked or hated on who they voted for.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to ChaoticDarkAngel [2013-08-11 16:56:07 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for the fave. While I agree, to note, this had nothing to do with political parties. It had to do with political ideological views. Not much about Democrat or Republican, more so about conservative vs liberal. Many people often assume if you are black you are a liberal, as many assume if you are white, you are a conservative…
I personally have no issue with black republicans, but I do laugh when some of them try to use slavery and how it was the Democrats that started the KKK to say why they are Republicans… forgetting during the civil rights movements those southern Democrats.. became Republicans, and those Southern Republicans.. became Democrats. So if they are Republicans because they agree with what the party stand for, great but I laugh when they use slavery as a mantle for it.
Well, to be fair, Dash has neve said that she was a Democrat.. she has always declared herself politically independent with respect to parties. She did endorse Obama in 2008, and Romney in 2012 but it was not because she was “previously a democrat” because according to her she is not a Democrat nor a Republican.
I agree with hated, but that depends on how you view attacks and I may agree with that,. If you take attack as vitriolic aspersions on a person I may agree, if attack is to question a person on that then .. eh I would have to disagree. I think it is normal and natural in politics for us to know why we are voting for someone and should be able to say why rather than.. I am voting or this person just because they are a Democrat or a Republican without actually knowing about what the person may or may not stand for.
I am neither a democrat nor Republican, both parties have things I may agree with but overall neither has warranted my full support to wish to join either.
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ChaoticDarkAngel In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-08-11 17:51:02 +0000 UTC]
Wow some of them actually say stuff like that? Geesh -__- I'm neither democrat or republican myself but like you I agree with them on some matters for both sides but some really are just...too much for me to call myself a democrat or republican.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to ChaoticDarkAngel [2013-08-11 20:23:05 +0000 UTC]
Yes, look up, Elbert Guillory he is the latest Democrat who became a Republican.. and he mentions that it was the Democrats who were for slavery and who started things like the KKK.. while factual, to say you are a Republican because of this forgets, as stated previously, that after the Civil Rights movements, those Southern Democrats became Republicans and those Republicans became Democrats.
I agree with Republicans on guns, I personally am against ANY AND ALL gun and ammo bans, with Dems I agree with them on social policy such as welfare, education, prison reform etc.
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ChaoticDarkAngel In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-08-11 20:35:06 +0000 UTC]
I'm the same way on the gun issue. I think gun banning is wrong because getting rid of guns is not going to stop crime forever. The criminals are always going to find away to get them no matter what: And if guns are banned, who knows people might learn how to make bombs instead which is ten times worse if you ask me. With democrats I can see there point on gun banning but at the same time I'm against it.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to ChaoticDarkAngel [2013-08-11 20:54:08 +0000 UTC]
* I did not mean to make that whole thing a link, my apologies, I meant to just make his name the link*
If they showed how banning guns would make a drastic impact on crime I would agree with a possible gun ban, yet I run on facts and figures not emotion. There are 120-160 million gun owners in America, yet according to the FBI only 100K people are shot every year,... so less than a tenth of one percent of gun owners shoot anyone.. so 99.99% of gun owners will not shoot anyone thus I do not see why punishing 99.99% of people who do nothing wrong .. is right.
Even "Assault weapons", there are 4 million assault rifles in America, 200,000 are sold every year. According to the FBI, 4% of all people shot are shot by rifles of any kind, 25% of that 4% are assault rifles... so .. 100K shot a year, 4% or K are rifles of any kind and 1K are specifically shot by assault rifles.. so with 4M assault rifles in America and 200K sold every year... saying 1K people are shot with assault rifles every year is once again punishing 99.99 of people who own the gun because less than 0.01% of people with the gun will shoot someone.
Well not all Dems are for gun bans, Jo Manchin is a dem who co-wrote the Manchin-Toomey bill which just instituted mandatory background checks, and a stronger mental health system. I agreed with the bill as a whole, and Republicans voted it down..
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Ratchet-Halo [2013-01-23 23:34:31 +0000 UTC]
Party and Racial politics is disgusting in my opinion, if your Black and vote republican more power to ya, no one, no ethnic group is beholden to any political party or ideology. We are what we are.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Ratchet-Halo [2013-01-24 22:16:09 +0000 UTC]
I agree with you, I was like WTF when I saw the guy said Clarence Thomas is a "uncle tom" and should not call himself black anymore..because he is a conservative Republican. What kind of shit is that? [link] I watched this 90 minute interview with him and Julian Bond, though I do not agree with his politics, it did give me a new found respect for him as a person.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to YourInnerDemons [2013-01-23 01:02:24 +0000 UTC]
LMAO!! I do, I enjoy earth.. but when humans are done fucking it up.. I will find a new planet
.. but yes, I was like REALLY? he should not consider himself black because he is a conservative? What kind of dumb fuckery is that?
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YourInnerDemons In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-23 04:05:39 +0000 UTC]
I know. People just can't seem to wrap their brains around the fact that people think differently. Although, some I've met, could be mistaken for part of a group collective.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to YourInnerDemons [2013-01-23 05:11:50 +0000 UTC]
We generally call people who cannot accept those who think differently in a political way as morons... but when in school .. they always did the usual Black History Month thing in February where in history class you would have one month out of 9 or 10 dedicated to black history haha and Thomas was always brought up.
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YourInnerDemons In reply to AtheosEmanon [2013-01-23 11:28:43 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. They still doing it as far as I know.
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