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I hate when people (or bodies of people IE governments etc) do things in Gods (or Allah or whatever you want to call him/her/it/them) name! Most of us have sort of forgotten whats going on over there in Iraq. That doesn't mean its not happening anymore. We've just started to get used to the thought. Whether we like it or not.Anyway, back to the topic:
I get frustrated when people (or governments) say they follow god and then do something like.... Invade a country?? This piece is dedicated to using God as an excuse for evil.
Just sick of people going out and doing things in Gods name....
And now i'm very sleepy!
*goes to sleep*
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I will try and reply to all your comments and such but it might take a little while...
P.S. It seems that some people are wondering how religion comes into play here. One of my main points in this argument is the official US motto. 'In God We Trust'. ( See here: [link] )
I do not believe that you can say such a thing, such a bold statement, without at least IMPLYING that everything you do is of god.
Once you begin to portray your allegiance (If you will) In such a way, you can no longer really separate the two anymore (State and religion).
But thats my belief anyway...
EDIT: Uploaded separate print version because I had to screw with the image to get it a little larger for print. See:
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Yes I do. But I have my problems with saying that its the voice of god.
Your consciousness and a lot of other aspects of your mind are developed in your upbringing, you experiences. Not all people have the same moral values as everyone else. So the 'voice' in their head is telling them different things.
Just my thoughts on the matter...
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well you are not a christian, correct?
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try sending this to serj tankian website. since he has a song called praise the lord pass the ammunition. and this fits it nice.
real nice work you have there. love how it takes a bit of thinking to decide which way they are marching.
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You think I should? Whats the website?
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[link]
just join his mailing list. he usualy has alot of graphics competitions for his cds, so that might be cool for you to try
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yeah no problem, i hope they respond to yah, because its a perfect fit for the song
" [link] " (he changed the video twice now but the song is great nonetheless )
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Hehehe. I hope so too. That'd be epic.... lol.
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awesomely said. I agree with you, they speak of doing according what their God desires, but they actually let their rage take over them and look for rationalization.
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glad to found same minded people. Other will just blatantly, and uncritically blame all toward religion. Bah...
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Yeah. And thats just silly. lol. XD.
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muslims dont like God
thus they flew planes into our buildings
why? because we are renowned as one nation under God
why do you think Israel gets attacked all the time?
cause theyre the same way
if we can build Iraq up into a nation that tolerates diversity (much like ourselves) then it will help Israel out to have a neighbor it can rely on, it will help us out to have another ally over there, and it will improove the worlds general outlook on Iraq as a peaceful and democratic nation rather than the facist dictatorship that it used to be
if we leave them now with there new born government that is taking its first wobbley steps...
it will get trampled into the dirt by some radical muslim group
who hate us and just want us to die
because they hate God
if this war is not in the name of God
i dont know what it is for then
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I apologize before hand to be so blunt but your statements seethe with ignorance. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Germans call God Gott, does that mean they worship another God than you? No. You clearly know nothing about the Middle East, al-Qaeda attacked the US because they see us as interlopers who have no business in the Middle East. And they attack Israel because it is a nation that was founded on Palestinian lands, and Zionists massacred hundreds of Palestinians and drove thousands more from their homes. If you knew anything about the Middle East and its complex history you would understand that Muslims who kill in the name of God are a very small minority, the majority of fighting in the regionhas political roots, and even more is caused by people who simply want freedom from domestic and foreign tyranny. Please learn about a subject before speaking about it and throwing your slurs at other faiths and peoples.
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yes but they see him as a god that is very different from the christian God
its all in the text
muslims follow the koran (however its spelled)
jews follow the old testiment
christians follow the old and new testiment
the text depicts the properties of what we know or known about God and all things related
such as: the jewish people worship God as he was before Jesus came about
but since he did the situation has changed
good example: basically the way to heaven was to make sure you are forgiven of all your sins before your time comes through animal sacrifice
that was the way it was during the old testiment times
after the new testiment took place as Jesus said: "only through the son can you meet the father"
the koran (still cant spell it) i believe is an odd interpretation of the properties of God
but i dont believe the God of today has the properties of"jewish god" (even though some properties still apply) or the "muslim god" thus i believe that these "god formats" are replaced with satan because if people dont move on and evolve with the times then they are stubborn, ignorant, and not true believers (properties of the devil)
if i insult anyone in particular then i am sorry you had to read this
this is just what i believe
and you apparently dont believe that political affairs are tied to religion at all? cause theres a bunch of theocracies goin on over there
and what about the people who want lifted from those theocracies?
gee, im sure plenty of women wish they could drive in saudi arabia or perhaps walk to the supermarket without having to drag a male friend along
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umm.. Actually Christians don't follow the Old Testament, I don't remember the exact wording but I remember a passage relating that Jesus swept away the past and the Old Testament.
Islam wasn't created until 600 years after the death of Christ, wouldn't that make Christians the stubborn ones who refuse to evolve with the "god format"? Do you see the problem? Its all relative, to Jews and Muslims maybe its Christians who defy and hate God? You can't have a transvaluation of values.
Another problem I have is your statement that if you thought it was God speaking to you you would wipe out the Middle East, but when reversed similar statements coming from Muslims can only be the voice of satan. How could you know if it was God or satan telling YOU to kill?
ummm...I did refer to people who wanted free from those theocracies, "foreign and domestic tyranny." My point was that you claimed that Muslims are just hateful evil people who kill only for their religion, and its not true. Many of them fight for freedom not for Allah or religion, and for you to reduce the many different groups who happen to be Muslim into one cause that only a very small minority hold is just wrong. There are many Muslims who just want peace.
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i dont recall ever saying that they ALL were evil and spiteful
infact i believe that about 2 maybe 3% of muslims are radicals
but the numbers vary depending on where ya look
and im not saying that those people are necisarily evil
but as a christian i believe theyre just...confused enough to follow evil
christians follow the 10 commandments but otherwise the old testament is a history book that the new testament refers to alot theyre very intertwined but still very different
as for the 600 years
the muslims simply thought that God had changed (or perhaps wanted him to change)and made the koran
but the new testiment age is not over till the end days
and when that happens it'd be kinda pointless to debate cause we'll all know the truth
as for God talking...alot of prayer, and common sense
although i dont recall that i said it was likely hed ask someone to do that hes a bit more compassionate than that
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Actually you did. "Muslims hate God. Thats why they attack us, because we're known as one nation under God."
Saying someone follows evil is also tantamount to calling them evil.
Thats my point though, even though its unlikely that you would hear a voice telling you to kill, how can you be sure whos doing the talking? You said common sense, but if anyone tells you to go kill an entire race of people there is no common sense at all. You can't call yourself a Christian and then say that there would be any possibility of God telling you to kill someone. Christianity is based entirely around the principle of pacifism and non-resistance. "Resist not evil" sound familiar?
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i was refering to "muslims" as in extremist muslims
its alot easier to type
and i have no problem with the people that follow that religion i just dont like there religion
you are right in saying that christianity is a pacifist religion (which is why you dont hear about them flying planes into buildings) but there comes a certain point where pacifism just will not work and your inviting people to step all over you
good example: hitler was getting feisty and took over denmark and i believe it was the rhine land as well...anyways, france and britain decided that they didnt want another war so they tried negotiating with hitler by allowing him to rule over some of austrias land he agreed not to conquer anyone else
but... he took the rest of austria and britain and france decided that if he went to take over poland theyd go into full fledged war
and we all know what happens after that
also i think i mentioned it before that in the bible God would tell the israelites to wipe out entire races because they were so far embedded in evil that there was simply no possible way of resurrecting them
im not neccisarily saying thats the case over in the middle east but 'ey anything can happen
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I disagree. You can't say "I'm a pacifist, to a certain point." Either you are or you aren't. I'm pretty sure Jesus never said, "Turn the other cheek.. unless they slap you 5 times then its ok to slap back."
But that was in the old testament not the new. They're entirely opposed books based on entirely different theories.
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jesus said to forgive your enemies 70x7 times which basically means you always forgive them and i try as much as i can to forgive all people that tick me off (heck if hitler was able to say he was sorry and really really mean it, id hug the guy and tell him i forgive him)
we must forgive them all we can but forgiveness does not mean there is no consequence and that is the responsibility of the law of men (God said government and religion should be seperate sectors)
the old and new testaments dont oppose each other, infact, the old test. predicts what comes about in the new test.
but getting back to the main topic, to state it in the simplest manner possible, you were right, muslims do infact worship the jewish God although i thought about it more and i figured that they (according to me and my christian faith) are being dragged into an entirely different method that does not please God himself
the main difference is that i as a christian believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God and set the world on its proper course
muslims are led to believe that muhammad was the messiah that set the world straight with islam
and since it all depends on what you read,
it basically boils down to faith which is inarguable
its been nice debating with you and i hope you learned something out of all the rambling between us
i know i have.
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But that is the realm of God to dole out consequences not man's. Man is just supposed to forgive and forget nothing more. But if you look at the intent behind each of the two books they are diametrically opposed. Where the old testament is a book of the jewish state, it presents God as a champion of the Jewish people, smiting the enemies of the Jews and using "tough love" on the Jews when they act in ways seen as detrimental to the state. Its simply a book of laws with fables to emphasize the importance of obeying these laws.
The new testament on the other hand presents an entirely different God type. A forgiving, understanding God who isn't a patron to the Jewish state but to all of mankind. The entire position of this God is different from the Jewish God of the old testament, he no longer demands blood to receive forgiveness, now he only asks for faith and repentence. This new book no longer calls for obeying of specific laws, but of all laws and for non-resistance. Where the old testament called on the people to fight and die for God, the new calls for an abandonment of anger and violence on any and every scale.
at least thats how the 2 books came across to me. yes I think I have learned something from all these ramblings lol.
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Im not sure what you're trying to say with this... You seem to be in two minds... (Either that or my english is deciding to play up today)
I can understand that it might be a bad idea to leave them right now.. But that doesnt justify what happened either.
I mainly used the example of iraq because at the time, there was lots of media attention (Or at least just before this).
This wasnt aimed at iraq in particular.
I could say christians dont like allah. We had our crusades too you know. It may have been a long time ago. But that doesnt discount the fact it happened. And there are still christian extremists out there just like there are muslim ones.
I think israel is a different case, but I need more information before i get back to you on that one.
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you are right about the crusades
those were led by extremist christians
but we are over that now.the world has forgiven us of that in the long run just like the world forgave the German people after WWII
and you are right about christians hating allah
we believe he is the devil
but we do not drive planes into buildings just because they follow the devil often times we tolerate them and in alot of cases we try to help them and show them the light that we hold in our hands
yaknow very often in the old testament God would tell the Israelites to wipe out entire races of people. kill every living thing in their towns and villages burn it to the ground and sprinkle salt on that cursed land so that nothing could grow there ever again. why? because they were so far embedded in the hands of satan that there was simply no hope of rescuing them and God knew it
granted i dont believe that is the case with the middle east now but if God tells me to very well wipe the middle east off the face of the Earth and i know deep in my core that He had created me for such a purpose
i would do it.
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THAT is my problem right there!
You say:
but if God tells me to very well wipe the middle east off the face of the Earth and i know deep in my core that He had created me for such a purpose
i would do it.
Dont think think that 'god' told THESE people to drive planes into those buildings?
I for a time, thought I was destined to kill Marolyn Manson! How ridiculous!
I believe it is never too late for someone. It is only to late when they are dead.
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see thats where personal opinion comes into play
i believe allah is really satan
so therefore i believe that satan told these radicals to fly the plane into our twin towers
do you know that story of Abraham?
with his two sons Isaac and Ishmael?
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Vaguely yes.
I do see how opinion comes into play here.
Although I must say that I dont agree.
No sorry, I dont really know the story, although if you told im sure I would remember.
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well abraham asked God for a son because he and his wife were physically unable to do so. God said he would give them a son but sarah (his wife) became impatient and told Abraham to have a son with their maid Hagar. he agreed and Hagar bore his son Ishmael. not long after that sarah had the son that God had promised named Iaasic. these 2 brothers didnt get along so well mainly because God had blessed Iaasic and Abraham promised his inheritence to him because he was the chosen one. although God blessed Ishmael as well he still got the short end of the stick. these two fought so much that Abraham had to send Hagar and Ishmael off into the wilderness
Ishmael would become the father of the islamic nations and Iaasic would become the father of the jewish and christian nations
that is the primary reason why they dislike us and want to destroy us
they figure if they do theyll avenge their ancestor and regain their right as first born
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da kann man doch nur sagen das du Recht hast. Die Kirche ist meiΓtens der Hauptgrund weswegen Kriege begonnen werden. Ideologische Konflikte sind leider viel zu hΓ€ufig grΓΌnde dem anderen einen ΓΌber den SchΓ€del zu ziehen....
If you prefer to translate it. than translate it from german
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So I will try to translate it for you:
there's only to say that you're right. The Church is often one of the main reasons why wars began. ideological Conflicts are sadly to often a reason to kill people with an other mind.
I hope my translation will transport my opinion
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My german is still good enough to understand some parts.. But not all of it. I did leave germany when i was 9 lol. I would appreciate the translation.
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beautiful beautiful piece. i so agree with you on everything you have said.. and this piece is so strong !! well done
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Thankyou very much!
And thankyou for your support!
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your very welcome hun !!
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I I love how you can't tell whether the people are going in or coming out... 
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Ya, I know. 
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LOL. Well, ideally, the tanks should show you they're coming out. But you know. Hehehe...
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I really like this piece. Whoever claims it to be "blasphemy" is clearly missing the point. I too wish people would stop smearing God's name and using him as an excuse for war, hate, or anything in that general arena. Good job.
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Thankyou! Glad you feel the same.
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Anytime - congrats on your DD.
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Quite an interesting concept you used. I agree with you. One example is George W Bush mention god in his speeches and using him(or her, whatever) as an advocate for war.
Nice Job by the way!
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Yeah its always something that's really bothered me. Saying you're a godly man/government and then doing something that is clearly not godly.
Thankyou!
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I couldn't see the armored tanks at first so I thought this pic was a reference to "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
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Call me ignorant, but I havent actually read it yet. lol. Should I?
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