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Published: 2014-10-14 17:04:05 +0000 UTC; Views: 794; Favourites: 5; Downloads: 0
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Description Another exercise in thought. A locomotive with a three stage combined boiler and a triple expansion 8-cylinder power plant.

The boiler stages are as follows, starting from the hottest side:
1) Firebox, water-tube, built like three-drum marine boilers. Here circulation is prioritized, and most of the heat is exchanged by radiation
2)Main boiler, water tube, built like a Babcock-Willcox, but not quite. More bent tubes instead of plates and arrays, a more modern design. The tubes are slanted forwards, so that the further forward you go the colder water you meet. So the temperature gradient is respected, and this is the priority. Most of the heat is exchanged by the gases passing in between the tubes
3)Pre-heater, fire-tube, almost like a conventional boiler, though perhaps more akin to a Franco-Crosti preheat. High pressure, lower temperature. A Wyslouch baffle is placed in the front part of the drum to further allow the cooling of exhaust gases.

This is generally a forced circulation setup with checkvalves going from >1>2>3, however the circulation can be opened if the pumping is to be stopped, by an array of tubes on both top and bottom parts of the constituent modules. The superheater is placed within (2), and from it the steam goes directly to the HP cylinders.

The HP cyl. are mounted back-to-front inside the frames, just below and to the front of (2), to minimize heat losses. The two MP cylinders are mounted slanted above the 4LP cylinders in the front and drive the axle through a rocking arm. The LP's are where mentioned, in-line in the very front and bottom.

Of course the machine can only operate on soft water.
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PaxAeternum [2014-10-14 19:40:41 +0000 UTC]

In terms of the "motion" and cylinder setup, this reminds me very much in many ways of my jackshafted 0-10-6 the "conquerer".  www.deviantart.com/art/making-…   I really need to get back into radical designs more.



I also should say I love the name Westerwald.   Please do me a favor and NEVER stop drawing.  

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bartpaaddiator In reply to PaxAeternum [2014-10-14 19:51:51 +0000 UTC]

The name, I am a bit ashamed to say this, came to me from a German march song "Westerwaldlied", to which she was drawn. Quite a catchy tune, (though it exists in a horrible context, of course...) - www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXlkUw…

My tastes in music are stupid and they make no sense whatsoever. Don't try to rationalize them. I just repressed my lust for music for most of my childhood as my parents used to patronize me for listening to anything.

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PaxAeternum In reply to bartpaaddiator [2014-10-16 19:24:30 +0000 UTC]

I must say that tune is hilarious and dismal, just my sort of thing for such a drawing spurt.  

My tastes in music are FAR stupider than yours, as I draw to songs like THIS.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6L2NG…  and worst of all I LOVE the songs.  They fill me with inexplicable communist zeal and furious energy, and occasionally even sexual tension.   I am absolutely insane, my friend.

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bartpaaddiator In reply to PaxAeternum [2014-10-16 19:29:36 +0000 UTC]

This is GUT

Now, I still believe I win the stupidity olympics, one of my favorite bands being those guys - www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-D9XS…

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PaxAeternum In reply to bartpaaddiator [2014-10-17 02:22:15 +0000 UTC]

MOSKAU!

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bartpaaddiator In reply to PaxAeternum [2014-10-14 19:49:58 +0000 UTC]

I believe this was one of my inspirations. As I have seen the engine before. And yes, you HAVE to get back into radical designs. The way I see it, even if some of the many I make, are completely deranged, they are a valuable exercise. And one needs to exercise one's engineering skills.

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PaxAeternum In reply to bartpaaddiator [2014-10-14 19:51:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh I LOVE deranged locomotives.  And yes I completely agree, these exercises are some of the most fun artwork I have ever done.  

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bartpaaddiator In reply to PaxAeternum [2014-10-14 20:11:34 +0000 UTC]

They are why I found you, I believe. Some brilliant stuff.

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PaxAeternum [2014-10-14 19:38:00 +0000 UTC]

The one problem I see is perhaps the lack of volume in the second stage, I would reccomend changing this to a fire-tube and changing the preheater to a water tube.  Many readings over various books as well as observing engines of the franco-crosti type in operation and other fire-tube feedwater heaters have taught me these are firstly not entirely the most efficient way (high volume versus surface area, whereas low volume and tons of surface area tends to be far better for preheaters).   THe other and more concerning part of firetube feedwater heaters as many franco-crosti engines such as the 9F's equipped with them was that the gasses became too cold passing through them and deposited an abundance of corrosive volatiles upon the smokebox end of the tubes.   Indeed, even poorly designed early large-boiler locomotives that had no combustion chambers and fluepipes that were too long experienced this same problem.   The only way I could think to correct this is to have a superhot fire and an incredibly powerful forced draft at all times even when standing, which would reduce overall efficiency.  

It also seems you have accounted for seperate cutoff adjustments for each expansion stage, HP, MP, and LP all have their own reverse and cutoff.  THis is an inherently good idea that surprisingly only the french, belgians, algerians, luxembourgians and perhaps the czechs picked up.  Not even Austria, Germany or England did this with their compounds, resulting in engines that worked hideously badly and would not have if only they had had seperate linkages provided.  

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bartpaaddiator In reply to PaxAeternum [2014-10-14 22:25:23 +0000 UTC]

The suggestion is what happened in my brain with regards to boxhead. Westerwald is an older design, i found it today by accident when looking for the drawing with the airship in it. To be honest, I am not entirely happy with it. However I believe the layout still has merit.

The volumes simply don't look right, the engine came out 'thinner' on paper than it was in my mind. The mid stage should indeed by of a larger volume, as it is the main evaporating surface. Using watertube for this still is still worth a try imo.

I don't doubt what you are saying about surface/volume ratios, but I would learn more about this. That is from a technical/scientific point of view, as i would like to know why it is so if it indeed is.

The accumulation of various chemically aggressive filth is one of the other main problems of steam engines. This was largely eliminated in power stations, and i will have to think about attacking the issue somehow. I guess cleaner combustion methods like GPCS could be of a slight help, but certainly this invention, as beloved as it is by certain people is not a cure-all... So I only have to wonder. Could some elements of a desulphurization and other de-something systems be adapted for locomotives, or substituted? I will try to tackle this problem. So i need to do some reading. One of the ideas I just had, would be blowing through the fluepipes with exhaust steam jets placed on the firebox side, which could also double as venturis. Again a solution that i think is worth more exploration, though it seems that the problem itself can be avoided.

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PaxAeternum In reply to bartpaaddiator [2014-10-19 01:32:15 +0000 UTC]

Another example of a failed fire-tube preheater locomotive that I forgot to show you.   www.catskillarchive.com/rrextr…  It is even more retarded than most, in the usual American style.   A flexible section firetube boiler with its front portion being a preheater, the problems were endless and would have been even without the flexiblility between the sections.

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PaxAeternum In reply to bartpaaddiator [2014-10-16 19:22:33 +0000 UTC]

I would agree that in the drawing the volumes do not look right, however I always rest easy knowing the volumes are correct, or at least correct as far as your masterful speculation goes, inside your brilliant brain.  


I have found that many steam locomotives managed to avoid the buildup of the acidic and chemically aggresive filth by having temperature ratios correct, hence the main reason why many engines have large combustion chambers and short fluepipes, one of these reasons is not only to improve thermal efficiency but stop flue gasses from cooling so much that they desposit these things at the forward tubesheet end.   GPCS does help immensely, it is not a cure-all but it as close to a cure-all as anything can get.  GPCS and preheating of the combustion air ALSO cuts way, way down on boiler thermal shock I. E. cold air touching any of the evaporative boiler surfaces, even in the usual places such as around the very bottom of the mud ring.  


THey actually DID have steam soot-blowing nozzles directed into the fluepipes from the firebox end at one point, more for intermittent use when cleanings were needed rather than full time use, however I believe these to be of limited returns because one, they do not stop ALL buildup, two they simply "waste" steam into the fire area without making combustion producer gasses, three they are prone to extreme wear and tear and are maintenance nightmares because of their location.  Blowing steam at the fire itself cleans it and makes it burn better, and the steam is instantly superheated.  Blowing it into the tubes for the entire duration of the engine being in steam I fear may even exacerbate the problem of the buildup of acidic filth due to the constant moisture and wetness, not to mention wetness itself against the fireside of the tube material causing accelerated corrosion.   

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bartpaaddiator In reply to PaxAeternum [2014-10-16 19:34:17 +0000 UTC]

Funny thing is that I had classes today about that very topic. Not about locomotives, but the side products of combustion. I loved how the prof told on of the biggest assholes in class that he is an idiot for burning trash in his central heating system. It went somewhat like this: Ass: Well I'm sure my furnace will outlive me, Prof: Yeah, cause you'll die of lung cancer.

Indeed I have omitted the issue in some of my designs, but you live and learn, and certainly what you have written is appreciated. I don't have much to add.

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PaxAeternum In reply to bartpaaddiator [2014-10-17 02:20:48 +0000 UTC]

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