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Hilariously, atheism is built on the belief that you can know it better what others believe in.
I guess self-absorbtion does have a sense of wonder to it...
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Explain how atheism is a belief superiority.
Considering that they are also many agnostics who happens to be anti-religious meaning wether you like it or not they are many people without religion affiliates who are against religions and the idea to follow strict beliefs.
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"Unbelief" in something means having a positive concept of what is being talked about, that is assumed to be more insightful than the believer's. It's basic logic.
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Atheism is simply lack of belief in a god or gods. It does not mean knowing there is no god. It's impossible to know a god does not exist. We just think there needs to be extraordinary evidence for those extraordinary claims. But there is none, so we reject the belief as irrational. That's all it is.
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The only "lack of belief" is lack of opinion. Rejecting something is not.
Your grasp on elementary logic seems to be severely compromised.
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Think of it like not believing in unicorns. It's not that we don't have an opinion, our opinion is that we don't believe in it. No self respecting atheist could say "I know that no god exists." We just do not believe anything without evidence is all. It seems you're using semantics to discredit what is a logical statement. I will not believe extraordinary claims without evidence, though I am open to evidence should you produce it. I am an apistevist and as such do not believe claims on faith like the religious do. Any questions?
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Again, you claim insight into what "claims on faith" are supposed to mean and "evidence" supposed to look like, which obviously can't be more than a convenient straw man, invented from a convenient pretext.
You are just parroting the same comforting delusions you have explained youreself into.
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Okay, you have faith that a god exists. Faith aka belief without evidence is the main tenet of your religion, probably. I do not believe without evidence. I do not have faith. Evidence would be empirical data proving the existence of god unequivocally. No one has or ever could produce that. I don't see how wanting some evidence is a straw man? I'm not telling you something i don't think and then disproving it? Why can't you just accept that it's okay and logical for people to not believe in gods? Jeez dude, live and let live. I'm not denying your ability to be religious here.
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I have never said I "have faith that god exists". That's the straw man here.
Evidence would be empirical data proving the existence of god unequivocally.
How did you tell what that is supposed to look like, especially about you think someone else believes in?
You don't have the faintest clue what you are rambling about, and expect to be respected for it. You are not entitled to that.
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You have repeatedly responded to perfectly reasonable explanations with goalpost moving and hand waving. You have insulted me and seem to be of the opinion that you are smarter than me. You apparently think my position is unstable. I fail to see how not believing in fairy tales is faulty in the slightest. You look to me to be a zealot that desperately wants to believe their delusion is inescapable fact. This is not the case. If you believe in a deity, you do so on faith. That is inarguable. Faith is the main idea of your religion. I have no need to talk anymore to someone who is obviously not interested in an honest conversation. Your holier than thou fancy ramblings all neatly parsed out do not hide the idiotic and vapid nature of your statements. I do not need to describe the idea of evidence to you. I do not need to describe the idea of claims on faith to you. If "explain what faith and evidence are" is the best you've got to anything I've tried to tell you, I think that speaks for itself. You are not fooling anyone. You are not smart and logical. You are in serious denial. You talk about logic while saying not believing in a magical, invisible, immortal, all powerful man in the sky is illogical. As far as I am concerned this conversation is over.
Maybe if you stopped talking in big old words and pretentious prose people would like you more? Also maybe if you were respectful of the people that disagree with you? Perhaps you should heed the idea of this picture and open your mind? Just a thought buddy, hope you graduate from insane preacher to rational believer sometime soon!
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You have spent an amazing time and effort trying to dodge my argument, which you probably not even managed to understand in the first place. And attempt to cover your ignorance and intellectual cowardice with straw man attacks.
Like, well, a typical village atheist.
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If you wanted an atheist who have a positive concept of other belief I suggest you look up Penn Jilette.
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I had a long comment typed out.. Then I deleted it.
I won't say on which side of the fence I come down. It isn't important and life is already too short and painful to go inviting the hatred of others. But I wanted to praise you on your post, both for the courage that it takes to challenge opinion, and for the fact that what is essentially so simple a piece both grabbed my attention and made me stop to think. And isn't that what art is really about?
So congrats. Thank you for the wonderful art
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Life, existence
It's about the heart, not the mind.
The heart it's the priority.
Open your heart first, then your mind.
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Ask most Christians if they ever question their beliefs and they'll say yes
Ask most atheists if they ever question their beliefs and they'll say no
Who's really closed minded :\
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If most atheist did not question their belief they wouldnt move to the agnostic session of the belief.
Hence even Richard Dawkin himself included.
I have no idea where you came up with the accusation of atheism but however , wether a monotheistic being exist or not.
A monotheistic being that is run by religious laws would be a chaotic and violent solution.
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I came to this conclusion through polling large groups of people.
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And how exactly did you peform the polling?
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In front of large groups of people. It's easy. If you're an atheist, raise your hand, lower your hand if you've ever questioned your atheism. Ok now if you're a Christian raise your land, lower your hand if you've ever questioned your Christianity. It's easy. You should try it sometime, very informative.
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What if I told you the way you tries to get result from people is biased and irrational and Ill tell you why:
1. You only give them 2 options to answer your question.
2.They are 3 question to answer, and you only give people 2 options to answer the question.
3.If you ask them to answer the question in an unaligned manner its very obvious theyre gonna raise their hands.
The very likely way is to set up a poll in a way that is:
1. A paper with questions and checkbox.
2. Given multiple answers.
3. Let them fill the pole and estimate things in percentage.
Real estimations , poll and analysis takes more than just a single method.
The way you tried to get answers are biased , simplified and dosent necessarily prove anything.
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Then again, if you only use this method of poll and did not try other method or question your own way of making measurement is accurate or not?
Dosent that mean your the one that is not questioning your beliefs?
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The way I tried gives me more information than you have
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And are you possibly sure about that?
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Yep I'm pretty sure about that. It also corresponds with individual detailed conversations. Apparently you feel personally offended by this assertion, too bad :\
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And how do you know Im offended exactly?
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Just an apparent observation based upon the way you're behaving. I think most atheists don't question their beliefs to nearly the same extent religious people do, based upon evidence. If you're an atheist who thinks you question your beliefs more than religious people do, that's fine. I'm not saying you "don't exist", it's just become clear through my own personal research that you don't represent the majority of atheists. Still confused?
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How do I sum this up:
So your acussing me of "That I dont question but I think I do"?
And yet you are hundred percent guranteed that your right about what you are currently talking about?
Im just gonna say this:
1.They are agnostic/genostic type of atheist, so fully assuming that all atheist are genostically believing their right is very close-minded.
2.If that test method you use is improper and have proven wrong and yet you still believe its right.
Dosent that contradict your claims? O_o; Especially when it comes to the "Christian question themselve" claim.
Because from the way you test and yet approve your own method is 100% right, you dont seems to question your own ways of measure things.
3.Yeah I am an agnostic atheist, I could be wrong about the existence of divine being however. Even if a monotheistic being(god) exist, he wouldnt be so chaotic like the christian claim isnt he?
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huhh?
I actually did not accuse you of that.
And "agnostic atheist" is an oxymoron. If you assertively deny the existence of God you're not an agnostic, by definition. I didn't make up the rules, that's literally what the words you're using mean.
Also, take a moment to learn what the differences between the words "their" "they're" and "there" are, it'll help you a lot to understand what the words you're using actually mean...
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""And "agnostic atheist" is an oxymoron. If you assertively deny the existence of God you're not an agnostic, by definition. ""
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That is actually what accusation is, however it is toward more of assumption of accusation.
And were moving to grammars lessons now?
I mean , arent we talking about religion and non-religions?
Agnostic means wether you know if its right or wrong or not 100% possibly sure.
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Don't how to explain it even clearer to ya buddy, I didn't "accuse" you of anything.
atheist = "I claim there is no God."
agnostic = "I don't claim that there is no God, and I don't claim that there is a God."
That's what those two words mean, looks like you're having some trouble comprehending that.... oh well :\
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1.Atheist means that people disbelief in god but some atheist are not 100% certain wether their right and wrong.
2.Agnostic are people are not certain which to belief as theyre is not enough info.
3.Accusation can means the negative showing of someone done something that is wrong. Accusation can be assumptions?
" looks like you're having some trouble comprehending that.... oh well" -Your doing it again~
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I'm doing "it" again? You mean making educated conclusions based upon evidence? Uhhh sure. Nothing wrong with that. You don't comprehend the definition of many words, obviously. Not much I can do for ya but point you towards a dictionary and hope for the best 
Good luck in your education!
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" You mean making educated conclusions based upon evidence? " -A flawed measurement and a improperly justified is what I mean?
So you only know me by 3 hours so far and you think you already know me for eternity..
Sounds kinda biased isnt it?
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And now you're just showing everybody you don't even know what the word "biased" means.
Just stop already and go away, I've answered your stupid questions.
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""I've answered your stupid questions."" Um. Not really
The only thing you actually did was make up false accusations of atheist are close-minded.
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I presented anecdotal evidence that atheists tend not to question their atheism nearly as often as the religious question their religion. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to present it, but I'm certain you don't. You received my educated observation as if it were a personal insult, for SOME reason. Stop getting offended so easily kiddo, it will not serve you well in life.
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Offended? As in an emotional reaction to cognitive dissonance? O_o;
Well if thats the case then I dont think I have one.
But if Im trying to find something to do in my life? Yeah that would be.
Anyway if you really wanted some answers heres what I can provide:
"" anecdotal evidence that atheists tend not to question their atheism nearly as often as the religious question their religion.""
1.Atheist is a category of non religious that means it is sharing category with agnostic and deism.
2.In terms of evidence here are some comparisons between religion and atheist tolerance:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YROimc…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOKiCs…
3.As for evidence that atheist are capable of changing their minds are people like:
Mark Zuckerberg
Richard Dawkin
Penn Jilette
Nikole Tesla
If you want an example of a physical edvidence:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbQnt…
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deism isn't "non religious"
Holy crap you're misinformed, just stop embarrassing yourself
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Well to be precise or to make sure I was accurate and dosent make a mistake,I did some research and this is the what I have found:
"Belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe."
Another is:
"The belief that God has created the universe but remains apart from it and permits his creation to administer itself through natural laws. Deism" thus rejects the supernatural aspects of religion, such as belief in revelation in the Bible, and stresses the importance of ethical conduct."
I guess I maybe emberassing myself since I made up this pile of unecessary comment?
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So what you're trying to say is that a belief in an omniscient supernatural being that created the universe and all life has nothing to do with religion?
At this point I'm just sitting here waiting for you to realize how stupid you're sounding....
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Well I am an agnostic atheist but however,
Albert Einstein is a deism, so if you think deism are stupid dosent that mean your calling Albert Einstein stupid?
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An individuals IQ has nothing to do with their belief in God though...
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What Im saying is:
If you view Deism as stupid or illogical, dosent that mean you view Albert Einstein was stupid?
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Personal religious beliefs have nothing to do with IQ though...
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Personal religious beliefs have nothing to do with IQ though...
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So what you're trying to say is that a belief in an omniscient supernatural being that created the universe and all life has nothing to do with religion?
At this point I'm just sitting here waiting for you to realize how stupid you're sounding...."
^Arent your the one who said it does?
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Yes I did. What is your point? I'm saying you sound stupid because you're tying to say that deism has nothing to do with religion. Why are basic concepts so hard for you to grasp? Are you mentally challenged? It's OK if you are, I just want to be aware.
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Ill just assuage your curiousity:
1. You stereotype religions are more open minded than atheist and you tried to justified it by using a single method experiment that dosent guranteed to work in real life.
Real analyst has a poll by asking them a paper, wether to tick a checkbox or sign a petition and via other methods, raising hands isnt enough.
2.I decided ask several question regarding your opinions, test method and to see how rational you are.
My conclusion is that you are very simple minded in regard or either that you are a troll , wether you are trolling or not.
Theyre is no necessity to pull out the "Grammar Nazi" in a decent conversation where the two of us can understand each other just fine.2
Deism is related with belief system however it is not within a category of religion for a certain reason, for example:
Since Deism means a person who belief in god but does not belief he would mess/interfere with this creation, They dont really believe events like Adam/Eve or Jesus Christ.
3.Deism in regard are people who believe in gods but has nothing to do with religion or think that a god with religion is chaotic, Deism are generally a people who believes in divine beings that does not interfere with their creations , hence no Jesus.
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