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ChenJack In reply to ??? [2017-05-14 21:08:50 +0000 UTC]
You see, what I don't like is political correctness influencing science. I think concept of having brain part as a gender marker is wrong. I know it is not scientific, but I don't feel any part of my mind telling me: I am a man, beside knowing that I have a penis and a body of a man, and modified aggressiveness and some other features. And I haven't discussed with anyone who claimed he feels his mind feels he is other gender. I have met people knowing that their brains are more typical for opposite sex, I have met girls that acted, probably had had feelings and thoughts same as men, but it seemed it is just about personality.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-14 21:20:13 +0000 UTC]
well maybe not you but other people obviously do. And things that are real (such as trans ppl...they exist...wow big surprise) is science. Trans ppl exist so obviously there is something in the brain that indicates as such. just because we dont have details on it doesnt mean it doesn't exist. . . scientists are trying to work it out and a few of them have got it, I don't have the details on me but I'm sure you can google it. dang.
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-15 09:25:07 +0000 UTC]
No, it is not logical to say that because some people claim they are other gender, therefore there must be something specific in our brains responsible for gender identity. These people might be just wrong, confused or just mentally ill.
I think there is quite a possibility that people having problems with hormones feel not OK with their bodies and personality traits. I imagine that a woman having noticable traits that are typical for males, both bodywise and personalitywise, might feel not alright as a woman. But having huge testorone level, having problems with breasts, problems with sex organs, with facial hair, with mutated voice, don't prove that person is a man. That person is a woman having problems with hormones.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-15 11:31:30 +0000 UTC]
dude trans ppl are just ppl who don't identify wit hthe gender they're assigned with...i should know...im trans...thats how I feel and how most people I know feel and have explained it. So it IS logical bc like..thats how it works! thousands of people across centuries and cultures can't be randomly "illogical", so there must be something scientific about it and it is...like I said...google it lmao
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-15 14:05:43 +0000 UTC]
Most people have been believing in Gods, does it make it any more real? The fact someone feels that his body and mind are not very typical for gender ascribed to her/him, doesn't mean that person is other gender for real. If I had low testosterone, tiny penis, very low musculature, very feminine face, no facial hair, personality lacking aggressiveness, I would have felt quite bad but not because of gender misfitting, but because of being unattractive as a man.
You stick to the concept that feelings define gender or that there is some part in a brain that tells us we are one gender or another despite having sex organs, body shape, typical personality traits of opposite gender.
What does it even mean: I am a man? Other than having penis, usually being attracted to women, having more noticable musculature, feeling more aggressive.
I think all people are agender in mind, they are only aware of which sex organs, body shape, personality traits they have.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-16 01:25:02 +0000 UTC]
no but for those people, their god is real? You wouldn't take that away from them just bc you don't believe in it I guess it's kinda similar to that if you are using that metaphor. But I came up a good anaology the other day. And it's that gender could be similar to the way we sometimes like to define personalities. Everyone has different personalities but some are more like others and sometimes we like to take tests to find out which group of personalities we're in... i wouldnt say the MBTI but more like the big five, which scientists deem as the more accurate way to categorise personalities (bc humans love categorising things) so maybe gender is similar in the fact that everyone has a different gender and we just categorise it into different labels based on similarities.
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-16 15:12:20 +0000 UTC]
Yes, but you claim it is possible to have sex organs, body features, personality that is typical for a certain gender, yet you reserve the right to call that person as other gender just because of that person's feelings on which gender she/he is.
To me there is nothing in a brain defining which gender a person is. I don't feel what transgender people claim there is in mind, I feel only that my aggressiveness is higher than in case of many females, I feel ultra strong sexual drive toward females, I have a relatively low voice and a quite big penis, that is all. Honestly I haven't met a person defining manhood other way than by sex organs and body shape and sometimes by aggressiveness (some morons link sex preference with gender, though I believe there is quite large dependence beetwen gender and sexual preference).
I think a man can be very gentle, nonaggressive, caring, lacking low voice, lacking great musculature, interested in artistic realm, interested in nursing children and still called a man, just because of having ability to copulate with female in a fashion that usually impregnation happens.
I can understand that someone with nontypical personality for a male, with nonmasculine body, might consider that he/she is a female.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-17 00:05:58 +0000 UTC]
you keep repeating urself, i keep repeating myself...i'm not really interested anymore.....please google it for gods sake
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-17 08:58:43 +0000 UTC]
Google what? There is no work demonstrating there is a part of brain or some other feature responsible for sense of gender identity.
But you are right, it is pointless. You claim feelings are a proof, I cannot accept such a motion. It is convenient for you, because you don't claim you are other species or other race because of your feelings, and you don't sound totally stupid or mentally ill, but you have nothing to support your claim, other than verbal testimonies, which makes transgender idea equal to religious belief.
Goodbye.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-17 10:34:05 +0000 UTC]
ugh you're rediculous??? you can't say i have no ground when your ideas are completely bonkers
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-17 12:15:37 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I think you have only your feelings and illusions and I think you are scared that it is possible that every person on this planet has agender mind and only wishes to fuck according to own preferences, and reflects personality influenced by hormones and that is the truth about our species genders.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-17 20:31:53 +0000 UTC]
no dude. christ. trans people exist, they always have. fucking deal with it. stop whining. google the science, it exists.
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-17 21:14:44 +0000 UTC]
No dude, trans people have illusion about their gender because there is no gender in a brain, fucking deal with it and stop whining because you are a trans. Google the science and you will know there is no proof that the gender identity is defined somewhere in a brain.
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Heliocathus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-17 21:32:57 +0000 UTC]
it doesnt have to be you twat. personality isnt??? but we still have personalities???? heres some science shit for ur elitist ass scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q… since ur such a pussy who needs actual data and cant just accept people for being different
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ChenJack In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-17 23:02:47 +0000 UTC]
Beautiful sites: hormones, experiencing discomfort with the biological sex, being frustrated when asked about gender. Beautiful stuff kinda proving that it might have nothing to do with specific brain area or areas being responsible for defining gender identity, though I have just read a tiny bit.
I would also have felt bad if I had a tiny penis due to abnormal hormones levels, or if I were questioned of which genfer I am (but because it could have meant I am quite unattractive sexually as a male).
Sorry, but all I see in such studies is hormones, affected by hormones parts of brain but without telling if there is some actual structure that defines the gender identity, I see small penises or quite male females.
I am an atheist, quite liberal, I sub e.g. Theryn Meyer (a trans) on YT, but it won't make my mind just to believe that trans people are right to claim they are opposite sex.
I would also felt as a female if I had low testosterone, tiny penis, quite female body shapes, little musculature, nonaggressive personality, but it wouldn't have made me a female just having some testosterone deficit.
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ChenJack In reply to ??? [2017-05-13 00:13:23 +0000 UTC]
Frankly speaking, I do also think there is no such a thing as gender of a brain. I think we have brain and behavioral differences caused by hormones, and we differ just on sex organs and on body structures influenced by hormones.
On the other hand, it is interesting thing to imagine: would I feel OK having exactly same brain and behavior, yet with sex organs and body of opposite sex since tomorrow. Maybe there is some link with brain structures, hormone levels with accepting own sex organs, e.g. people with male sex organs yet with very low testostorone levels or some blockages on that hormone affecting their biology, might feel some hate toward penis and testicles.
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KonungenCarolus In reply to ChenJack [2017-05-13 03:08:48 +0000 UTC]
I totally agree. Thoughts and feelings mean more to me than a body. And sometimes people with legit medical reasons for hating their own body will call themselves trans and get a sex change. Pretty disheartening stuff sometimes. The post op survival rate is not very high at all and improper hormone treatment can wreck a person's body. Gender is really a societal thing. Only your physiology and what it does to you is what can be scientifically proven to exist in a way.
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ChenJack In reply to KonungenCarolus [2017-05-13 09:06:18 +0000 UTC]
Yes, but maybe there is something about brain structures, functions, that causes actually that one may feel as a woman even if a body is typical for a male. I can imagine, despite my assumptions and knowledge, that there is something in a brain rensponsible for a feeling that you are male or female. I don't feel it myself, I just feel attraction to women, I get erection seeing or thinking about them (though I am slightly bisexual and I fantasized about kissing certain men, without imagining of having sex with them), I feel aggressive: there is nothing more that I could say about being a man.
You see, there are people who have abnormal levels of hormones despite having certain sex organs, so I kinda hesitate about making clear definitions of which gender these people are, because possibly it is wrong to say that brain formed in a certain way cannot feel about itself as belonging to certain gender. Maybe there is something like gender of a brain, though I don't feel it within myself.
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SuperBird43 In reply to ??? [2017-05-12 05:42:26 +0000 UTC]
Hehe, right? Frankly I love all of the science that's coming out about that, really interesting stuff.
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Heliocathus In reply to SuperBird43 [2017-05-12 05:47:58 +0000 UTC]
YES!!! And the fact that more people are learning about huw diverse humans really are and how messy biology is and how that makes everything so much more cool!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SuperBird43 In reply to Heliocathus [2017-05-12 06:05:33 +0000 UTC]
Oh, absolutely! It's awesome.
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TanishaTG In reply to ??? [2017-05-11 18:38:20 +0000 UTC]
I don't think that's very lucky, if the people who ignore the truth are your rulers.
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ZachValkyrie In reply to ??? [2017-05-11 18:31:57 +0000 UTC]
That's the great thing about truth. It keeps on being true even if you don't believe it.
The Earth was always round people.
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ChenJack In reply to ZachValkyrie [2017-05-13 00:17:11 +0000 UTC]
You don't know that for sure. Maybe you live in a simulation in Sims 12500. BTW: I am an atheist and I don't follow agnosticism, yet it is fun to question.
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