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so your surprised that marco is a terrible person
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Soooooooo in the season finale
SPOLIER
marco told Tom he kissed star and Tom didnt even freak out or get mad so that's awesome. Tom has matured
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Yess)) Im glad he didn't kill anyone)
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I'm curios how this will end between them...
Nice1^^
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Jess-the-vampire:
Replying here since you blocked me because deep down you know you're wrong:
*sigh*
Alright, seeing that you refuse to see reality and willingly choose to live in your own world, where emotions are more important that hard facts, I'm going to concede this argument because it is a waste of both my time and my brain cells.
Good day.
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omg... if someone blocked you on their profile in Instagram, don't you think that the person do not give the fuck about what you says at all? That's why you stalk me and came here to say something, however I really do not want to listen you and not interesting in what you say? Gosh, I'm just so... idk, its funny and in the same way creepy, you are obsessed with me or what? Get a life!
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This is an odd place to have a conversation like that......
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I don't know Tom. Does insinuating forgetfulness justify attempt at murder in the underworld?
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Murder AND attempting to trick Star into having her soul bound with you without her consent.
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"I mean, sure, I tried tricking her into having our souls bound without her knowledge or consent, and I basically think of her as a trophy and don't care about her interests or her goals, but that's no reason for karma to bite me in the butt, right?" - Tom Lucitor
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you know none of that is actually true right?
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"I mean, sure, I tried tricking her into having our souls bound without her knowledge or consent." - Watch the episode and tell me he wasn't trying to trick her into dancing with him and binding their souls together without her knowledge or consent because that was exactly what he was doing. Then he got mad at Marco for stealing 'his' dance. Not saying he hasn't changed since then, though, but that was nothing less than despicable of him.
"I basically think of her as a trophy and don't care about her interests or her goals." - Have you even been watching any of the recent Episodes? When Star was trying to bring Buff Frog back, Tom literally could not have cared less for 90% of the episode and repetitively tried convincing her to just give up on it and fool around with him instead. "Oh! But that's not true! He gave her that wonderful, heartfelt speech at the end!" ... which was, as he revealed moments later, just an attempt to mimic Marco. It's fine that he's trying to change himself, but the way he is going about it is wrong.
I understand that you're a Tomstar shipper and I respect that, but you have to start acknowledging reality and stop over-idealising Tom and Tomstar; you're outright ignoring the flaws (and yes, I acknowledge all of the Starco flaws, at least. You just ignore the ones about your own ship; I've seen your Tumblr.)
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he wasn't
otherwise tom would be a total moron for pretty much letting every and any demon tell star about the dance before it happened. He wasn't hiding anything, like every single demon at the ball pretty much made it clear what is was and tom didn't bother to hide it from her, star pretty much knew she was doing this kinda dance with him.
She did know, and she did consent.
She was told what it did, and yet she was fine with it nor protested against it.
well, marco did kinda dance with his date -_-
i dunno have you? Because it sounds more like you're pretty much ignoring all his progress over marco. It was not an attempt to "mimic" marco, this was tom actually trying to be himself, not marco, and that's where he was at his best, when he wasn't trying to be anyone other then him. Marco certainly couldn't have made a speech like that, part of the reason tom's speech was so good was because of his species and position of power, that's why it affected the monster the way it did.
he wasn't gonna let all of star's work go to waste without trying to stop the monsters, it's not something he had to do you know. He clearly cared enough to go with her, and he pretty much defended everything she set out to do for the monsters.
i'm a tomco shipper.
i'm afraid have to say the same to you, because you are missing out basic logic from the show to demonize tom more then he actually is in the show. It should be kinda obvious that if tom was trying to force a bond on star, he didn't even try. Heck, the moon picks the people itself, it moves on it's own, how the heck would tom be able to do it anyway? He doesn't have special moon powers. not exactly like he can force it to do anything. Tom clearly knew it could pick them, but he should be smart enough to know he can't make a magic moon do anything.
you need to wake up to reality and take off your starco goggles, because from a writer's perspective, none of what you said makes sense. I'm taking what the show gives me, and the show makes no attempts to make it seem like tom was planning on forcing a bond, nor does tom see star as a "Trophy". Tom's not perfect, but the monster stuff is very different for him then it is star, plus it doesn't help in his case when he's never made aware of the weight of the situation thanks to his friends never telling him anything.
no, i don't ignore flaws. Like at all, i guess you didn't see my tumblr at all then, since you completely ignored any of my talks about tomstar's setup, or tom's flaws as a character.
but i do notice when people's logic makes absolutely no sense within the context of the show, and yours doesn't. You're trying too hard to demonize tom and somehow make cheating justifiable, tom's screwed up, but he's done nothing deserved of "Cheating".
Him forcing the moon doesn't make any sense within the context of the episode.
The intention behind tom's speech was for him to be genuine in his attempts to get the monsters to stay, not because of marco. The joke at the end served to make a reference to the beginning of the ep, and to show tom is at his best, when he's not trying to be marco. It may be a poor joke, but it was meant to be one.
take the shipping goggles off, and look at the facts.
If the show wanted to turn tom into what you believe he is, the show would've made that more obvious.
You're saying these because you THINK this is what's happening, not because of what the show gives you. You THINK tom is planning something, but the episode never shows him with any form of plan, nor would his plan make sense within the logic of the show. You THINK at the end tom is trying to be marco, but Marco would not in the slightest be able to say anything tom just did because he's nor a monster nor royalty.
Kinda like how right now you THINK i somehow don't see flaws within the writing of the show, when even i acknowledge tom's behavior was crap in previous episodes, and have talked about multiple times how tomstar needed better setup.
Remember, you're trying to justify cheating of all things, one of the worst things you can ever do to a person, based on opinions, not facts.
Star and marco are tom's friends, they're almost his only friends.
this is utter betrayal to him as his friends, and acting like it's justifiable, is a very messed up message to send.
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Don't pay attention, they both came here from my Instagram where they were butthearting and insulting me, got blocked, stalk me and came here for shitting.
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somehow that doesn't surprise me -_-
But anyways, hope for the best for Tom.
i still don't think the choice to take this route was a good one but i can only hope they aren't going where I think they're going with it, cause i really dislike cheating plots in general and i would prefer if the show didn't somehow justify it or make it a good thing in some bizarre twisted way.
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I don't even know where to begin...
1.) She did not know and she still doesn't know. He was trying to trick her into dancing with him and binding her soul with his, to which she never gave consent. If she had known what his intention was, she would have flat out refused to even go to the dance with him, because he was a rageaholic and her ex, whom she didn't life for the remainder of season 1. He was your typical playboy and tricked her into coming with him, only to lose his 'nice guy' act the moment things didn't go according to plan.
2.) "Am I better than Marco?" "That was better than Marco, right." Sure, keep deluding yourself... He wasn't being himself; he was acting like Marco and even admitted it. But hey, keep being in denial, your choice. And nobody even considers him a monster. Yeah, Marco couldn't have made the speech since he's human, but he most certainly would have made a speech telling Star to keep fighting for what she believes in, which is basically the same that Tom did.
3.) He didn't even care about her goals until the very end, after which he outright admitted that he was just mimicking Marco.
4.) It's obvious that you are.
5.) He did try in that episode. That was just two-faced behaviour and possessiveness. However, he has since made improvement and he is trying to better himself, which I have acknowledged numerous times, so I most certainly am not missing this part of the show. And in that episode, he was trying to get their souls bound, because all he knew was that the light bound 2 souls that danced under it. He was not ignorant about this, he was just despicable.
6.) You telling me to take off my googles is funny and ironic. If you would step out of your narrow-minded world and acknowledge reality, like I do, you'd see that Tom at the time did try to trick her. But hey, I've noticed that Tomstar shippers are in denial or just outright delusional in general, or just choose to ignore the truth, so I can't blame you for that one. I'll admit, the 'trophy' part was an exaggeration since I do acknowledge that he obviously cares for her, but he is still unwilling to see things from her point of view and willingly help her with her goals and ideas like Marco has been doing.
7.) I did and you do ignore a lot of flaws, or simply sugarcoat them to make them seem not as bad aka. make up excuses in an attempt to validate your weak agruments.
8.) Again, your logic makes no sense, which is more than obvious, and nowhere did I state that cheating was ok. I actually made a rant commenting on how this should not have happened. However, Star simply gave in to her true feelings, so did Marco, and I don't hold that against them; you can't control your emotions. Do I feel sorry for Tom? Duh. I want him to be happy in the end because he has done a lot of self-improvement, but that doesn't make up for everything, either.
9.) WATCH THE EPISODE
10.) Idk, maybe, but his behaviour and his attempts make me believe otherwise.
11.) 'take the shipping goggles off, and look at the facts.' - Oh, sweet irony...
12.) No, I said he was bad, which he really was. Now he isn't as bad anymore, but he still has a lot to learn.
13.) Everything I say is based solely on what the show has given us viewers. Tom WAS planning something back then, and it backfired. He no longer is planning anything and I never said he was. And he was (very obviously) mimicking Marco, which most of the fandom has recognised. And Marco would have been able to cheer Star up just as well, even you should be aware of this.
14.) Alright, fair enough. That part of my argument was wrong, then.
15.) I am not; you are just saying I am and making arguments against it to dodge the initial arguments. I have outright stated that cheating was not alright in that situation, regardless of Star's and Marco's feelings. And every argument I make is based on facts, while your arguments are based on feelings.
16.) That should tell you a lot about a person if they only have 2 friends (or a girlfriend and 1 friend.) I hope he gets more, though, since he has improved a lot!
17.) Again, never said it was justifiable, but it is karma in a sense, albeit going waaaay too far.
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1, she did mate, watch the ep again, theres one demon who talks about the binding of the soles to her and the demon announcer specifically talks about the bond brings two soles together in a dance, which star watched him talk about, and tom was right next to her.
She was clearly told about it, and didn't care.
2, dude, the only one in denial is you. it was meant to be a joke, star is even smiling at the end, it was supposed to be a light moment in the episode, you are taking a joke as something it's not supposed to be. that was not him saying "Did i do what marco did , but better?", that was him asking if he did an action better then marco could've handled it. It had literally nothing to do with him acting like marco, it was about him and how he handled a situation, not how effectually he was acting like marco.
3, dude, again, he was not mimicking marco. Marco couldn't have even made that speech if he wanted because marco isn't a monster, tom can relate to the monsters, marco can't. You are taking a joke way too seriously. This was about him being as effective as marco and being as relied upon, not about him actually being marco.
4. then you don't know me very well at all and i question if you actually have ever seen my blog, or just made assumptions.
5. how did he try then? Where's the proof? Was he shown to ever be hiding anything from star throughout the episode? Did the show ever acknowledge he made that kind plan? Can you even explain that plan and how it would make sense?
6. dude, you're the one being biased here. I'm taking what the show tells me, you aren't. You're so in your own head that he was trying to trick her, even though you and i both know that it wouldn't make sense and that the show never once acknowledges he was ever trying to do that.
7. your arguments are weak dude, you can't even give me a good explanation as to how tom would remotely think he could make a moon bend to his every will. And you literally ignored the fact star was told about the bonding ceremony beforehand, you keep telling me to watch the episode, when you don't even remember what even happens in said episode.
8. Well, saying that this is somehow "Karma" for tom's actions, is justifying it.
That's what karma is, someone's idea of well-deserved punishment on someone.
9. i've watched these eps alot dude, i know these eps, sounds like it's been awhile since you saw BMB.
10, then it sounds more like your simply just not a fan of tom's character.
11, what irony? My judgment comes from a writing perspective, not from a shipping one. And writing-wise, tom's actions are not what you're making them out to me.
12, well of course, that's his character after all.
13, he wasn't, there's literally no proof of that. And that's just because the majority of the fanbase is biased against tom, not because it's what he did. This fandom is majorly starco shippers, of course they're gonna say stuff like that because they want to justify their ship.
14, your arguments are based on feelings, not mine, again, you have presented no proof for any of your arguments at all. When if you wanted, i can literally send you a screenshot of the demons who told star about the ball, and all evidence lining to tom not scheming. Heck, i can do you one better and send you all the dialogue if you want and you explain to me where it states tom was up to anything other then trying to make a ball to impress his ex like a make-up date.
15, no, it shouldn't. people who have that little friends are usually mocked, ridiculed, and mistreated for being different. maybe they're shy, maybe they have a reason to not want friends, maybe they're bullied for no reason, it doesn't tell you anything.
16, saying you find it karma, means you do think it's deserved to some degree, saying it's deserved, is saying you think the cheating is acceptable.
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Whoo!
You go Jess!
100% truth right here!
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i mean, if anyone has any real proof tom had some master plan to make a moon bond him and star i would LOVE to hear it because I've gone through that eps script plenty of times and tom having any real plan is never acknowledged.
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I'm like 100% sure Tom was just trying to Impress Star. Not trying to "trick" her into being his girlfriend. I love how the Starco fanbrats try to potray him (as well as Jackie) as some evil monster that "GETS IN THE WAY OF THEIR PRECIOUS OTP!!!" When really he's just a teenage Demon boi that wants to get back with Star whoopdee fucking doo! All the sudden he's a bad guy!
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yeah i see it more as this "Make-up" date tom planned out to show star how much better her was and how improved he was.
and the moon itself was just a part of the event that he was hoping would bond them and get them back together.
which is why he was so upset someone else not only took his date, but also got bonded to star which ruined any chance for him to know if he and star were still compatible.
i doubt he had plans to trick her, because that doesn't make sense given he's not hiding this bond from her to any degree.
But i do think he was hoping the moon would pick them as it was his last chance to see if he could still get star back or if they had any chance left. Which was WHY it was so upsetting that someone ELSE got bonded to her, and he felt so hurt and betrayed since he just wanted star back in his life.
Tom can't manipulate a moon, he can't.
but he can take his ex there just to see if there's any chance they could be bonded for a romantic dance.
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I always did hate Tom. And all this including the Naysaya incident is why.
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Well, I no longer hate him. I used to, given that he was a possessive brat during season 1, and the Naysaya incident was also pure asshattery, but he's grown on me since; he's trying to better himself and, like it or not, he truly, deeply cares for Star. The problem is that he just can't commit himself to the relationship and still puts his own interests first, which contradicts his feelings for her; he's unwilling to make a personal sacrifice for her, something that Marco keeps doing over and over. That's truly loving someone.
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it's not.
every demon at the ball literally told star what the blood moon was, and tom made no attempts to even stop it.
Star was fully aware she was doing a bonding dance with Tom way before it happened, if tom was "Tricking" her, then he sucks at it by letting her know what was even going to happen. The show doesn't even show any idea that he was even hiding anything from her, he was pretty open to her about everything.
and no, tom cares, tom helps her with everything she wants, puts his foot down when all her hard work is about to go to waste, and even is going to fight in her freaking battle against meteroa. If tom didn't care, tom wouldn't even bother to do any of this.
tom's not perfect, but he's done nothing deserved of something as horrible as cheating.
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I just call it like I see it.
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Well, it's not what the show is presenting, that's for sure.
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The show presented Tom as a villain in "Blood Moon Ball", and for most of "Mr. Candle Cares" as well. It wasn't until the end of the latter episode, when Tom realized what he was doing was wrong and apologized to Star, that he started his transition into one of the good guys.
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It is, you're just blinded by your narrow-minded views and see the show for what it's not.
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dude, you're the one being narrow-minded, not me.
you're trying too hard to put some much hate on tom, when you have no proof for anything your preaching, and are interpreting something wrong.
You literally took a joke, as some big reveal that tom just wants to be marco.
your taking any evidence you can to justify your argument, even if it doesn't make sense or isn't even real evidence.
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But you can't deny he was a jerk.
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oh no, i can't.
i just don't think he's as much of a jerk as a good portion of the fandom tries to make him out to be.
He's flawed, but he's clearly intended to be likable and sympathetic and i get the feeling some of his actions are misjudged because of his character and due to other circumstances.
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He started out as a pretty major jerk, though by the time of "Friendenemies" he became likeable and sympathetic, since that's when it became clear he was actually serious about being a better person (though still wasn't entirely sure how to do it, hence his misguided but ultimately harmless trickery toward Marco in that ep).
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I guess I can see that.
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Yep, it is. She can still ship the ship, it's her choice, but denouncing facts is just ignorance.
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So true. I just call it like I see it
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The worst part is that Tomstar shippers keep doing what Jess is doing right now: Writing 'you know none of that is actually true right?' while providing NO arguments to back their statement and not even responding to my arguments when challenged.
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