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"I honestly don't really like Millie. She never had much appeal to me and I feel like she was too mean to Blossomfall, but I can understand why she was acting the way she was."or
"I don't think Millie deserves all the hate that she gets. She's done some bad things but everyone makes mistakes."
Ok cool.
"ANYONE WHO LIKES MILLIE IS FUCKING STUPID. CAN'T THEY SEE HOW MUCH OF A BITCH SHE WAS?"
or
"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU INSULT MILLIE. SHE'S FUCKING PERFECT. SHUT UP AND GO DIE."
sToP.
So recently I received some comments from Millie supporters and it encourged (for the lack of a better word lol) me to redraw this:
and rehash my opinions on Millie.
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My opinions on Millie have changed a bit over the years; I don't hate her as much as I used to, but I still dislike her. [LENGTHY RANT AHEAD I'M SORRY; skip to the cut if you'd like]
My anger against her have fizzled because I've seen people bring up a few good points. She brought Graystripe back home. She was only worried about Briarlight because she had almost lost her two times before. She acted the way she did against Blossomfall because of her stress. I could go on.
I mean, compared to Rainflower, Millie is an absolute ANGEL.
Although I am completely aware of these points, personally, Millie has never been much of an appealing character. Here are my reasons :
First off, I will not use the argument "Millie stole Graystripe from Silverstream" because Silverstream has consented Graystripe's relationship with Millie and supports it. (and the fact that the Erins confirmed Graystripe will choose Silverstream when he enters StarClan is punishment enough for Millie lol... Graystripe and Millie's relationship in the novels wasn't that great anyways.)
Millie...just doesn't do much. I haven't read the books in a long time, but from what I recall, I don't think Millie has done anything significant after she brought Graystripe home (but even so, Graystripe just doesn't seem as fun of a character at all when he comes back, compared to the original series). The only think I remember her for is fussing constantly for her kits and sharing prey with Graystripe.
Millie coddles Briarlight excessively. Yes, I understand that she almost died twice, but doesn't that in a sense show Millie that she's a fighter? Jayfeather is there to take care of her and Briarlight has shown to be strong and independent.
There are other mothers in the series who have experienced traumatic events with their kits. Frostfur was the mother of Cinderpelt AND Brightheart, yet she didn't go hysterical and yell her other children. (YES, i get that Frostfur was born a clan cat and is used to violence and injuries, but she had two of her own kits mangled and defaced and still remained calm and loving to her other children.)
I've seen people say that Blossomfall is a bratty attention whore and that she's the bad guy. People compare her to Bumblestripe and say that he didn't care if Millie ignored him. I agree that she was acting a bit childish, but every cat has their individual personalities and what they deem "acceptable behavior" from their parents. It's like that when they were kits, Blossomfall grew accustomed to being pampered by her mother. That's why when Millie started ignoring her, Blossomfall felt neglected and jealous. Sometimes, you can't help those feelings. Blossomfall herself has said that she felt guilty for having them.
Then Blossomfall and Ivypool went into the tunnels. Blossomfall openly expresses "Will Millie miss me if I die down here?". She's truly insecure about how her mother views her. I don't think that this is "bratty". A lot of children who are ignored by their parents will doubt their love for them and make them feel neglected. When they return, Millie does something that I really don't like. She berates Blossomfall, confirming Blossomfall's fears and making her believe that Millie would not have missed her if she had died in the tunnels.
Millie says that what they did was irresponsible, which I agree to; they were wasting their time and were being dumb. But then she goes on to her to "grow up and become a proper warrior." Um. Proper warrior? Millie, who stays back in the clan and whines and cries and coddles Briarlight apparently know what it means to be a proper warrior. I don't remember seeing Millie go out and hunt for Briarlight, so why does she so strongly feel as though Blossomfall has to?
She goes on to say that "Briarlight would do anything to help feed the clan." Ok, way to go. Not only are you making Blossomfall feel like you wouldn't care if she died, but now you're comparing her to Briarlight. THE VERY THING THAT SHE IS FEELING GUILT ABOUT. that is one big no-no. (correct me if I'm wrong, I read this on the wiki) Brackenfur even approaches Millie and says that the important thing is that they're safe. She then proceeds to yell at him.
People have said "Well, Blossomfall should've confronted her mother about it." But after all those things that Millie has said, would Blossomfall really have felt secure enough to open up to her mom? Also, shouldn't Millie be the ADULT and talk to Blossomfall FIRST?
I don't really remember what time frame the above scene took place, but it also unnerves me. Blossomfall isn't the one who confronts her mother about the injury. She didn't want to take her mother's "attention". Hazeltail has to be the one who calls her and tells her "Hey, I think your daughter's sick." Millie then waves her of in a very "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT" way and says "What? She's fine. I have to go check on Briarlight." Really? Briarlight can live a five minutes without your attention. What ticks me off is that Millie doesn't even take a second to walk over and ask what's wrong.
tbh, I would like Millie a lot more if the Erins had included some sort of scene where she and Blossomfall console in eachother and apologize. But sadly it never happened. Afterwards, Millie just seemed indifferent to the whole situation.
I guess all of my reasons above are invalid if you play the "she was hysterical" card, but eh, those who defend Millie would have found a way to counter me anyways.
tl,dr; I have no doubt in my mind that Millie loves her kits. I know she does. She's not a terrible mother, but for the reasons above she's certainly not one of the best either. I can understand why people like her and that's totally ok! I just personally am not fond of her.
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Point is, people who are allowed to love Millie have all the right to. They are allowed to defend her and admire her. Likewise, people who dislike Millie are entitled to their opinion and are allowed to express why.
What is not ok is when you get disrespectful and personal about it. Do not insult someone personally because of their preference or dislike for a character. Do not wish death upon them. Do not get overly passionate about trying to change someone's mind about a character. Do not get butthurt over FICTIONAL CATS.
I'm actually thinking about closing the comments on the old drawing. I've looked through them the other day and it's a bit of a mess. x'D
Feel free to leave your opinions, but please be tasteful and respectful. 'preciate it.
aa well i wasted 45 minutes typing that and now im tired. sorry if there are grammar/spelling mistakes anywhere i will proofread later.
g'day.
do not use, redistribute, repost my art and/or my characters without my permission thanks
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Comments: 488
Mellowix In reply to ??? [2018-10-03 19:25:38 +0000 UTC]
She had plenty of evidence. From their faces, it was clear they were lying about getting "Lost on Thunderclan territory". That doesn't happen. They've been living in the same territory their whole lives, they'd know every nook and cranny of it. Unless they were in a place where they weren't supposed to be, as in: Underbreath the territory in the form of the Tunnels. And Thornclaw even pointed out they looked like they liked like they were dragged through a hedge backwards. If it something that really wasn't their fault like getting attacked, they'd have no reason to lie about it.
There's also other sides like their scent and fur condition. They underground and a rockslide almost crushed Blossomfall, scratching her leg. They would of been covered in dirt and smell like dirt - They'd clearly be inside the tunnels. Also, the tunnels were on Thunderclan's mind at the time when they'd recently been warned not to go inside after Icecloud almost dislocated her shoulder in there. And Millie would know her daughter well enough, to know she'd probably rebel and go the exact thing she was told not to.
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icerose20 In reply to Mellowix [2018-10-02 23:40:52 +0000 UTC]
How is it disrespectful for Blossomfall to question if her mother would care if she died? Brightheart questioned Cloudtail's love when he spent time with Daisy in New Prophecy. Poppyfrost questioned Berrynose's love? When is it disrespect to for person to question if another person loves or cares about them?
Training in the Dark Forest was a bad choice for Blossomfall to make. Ivypool was tricked into joining the Dark Forest. She thought Hawkfrost was a StarClan warrior.
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icerose20 In reply to Mellowix [2018-10-06 13:00:20 +0000 UTC]
I don't see how that is disrespectful. If your parent started giving you the cold shoulder wouldn't you wonder if they still cared about you? Millie didn't care when Hazeltail told her Blossomfall looked ill, of course it came off to Blossomfall that her mother did not care. I guess any child dealing with insecurity issues is disrespectful because they question their parent's love? If someone who has loved you your whole life behavior towards you changed from loving to being cold wouldn't you wonder if they still cared about you?
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icerose20 In reply to Mellowix [2018-10-06 14:03:42 +0000 UTC]
Blossomfall may be an adult and aware of the situation, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings and can't feel left out. If Millie is entitled to feeling grieved and stressed, isn't Blossomfall also entitled to feeling hurt?
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icerose20 In reply to Mellowix [2018-10-06 14:27:09 +0000 UTC]
Blossomfall never said she wished anyone dead either.
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icerose20 In reply to Mellowix [2018-10-06 16:09:40 +0000 UTC]
How is that a crime for her to feel that way? Is every person dealing with emotional issues that feels that way is bad?
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icerose20 In reply to Mellowix [2018-10-06 16:37:26 +0000 UTC]
I still don't see how it is a crime to say "I wonder if my mother would care if I died?", many people with self-esteem and emotional problems have asked this question. Are you saying people with emotional issues are bad?
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GAYSWILLRULE In reply to ??? [2018-05-26 01:47:38 +0000 UTC]
As a fan who's seen cringey Millie x Briarlight fanart, I'm saying maybe they were a little too close...
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Phapha332 In reply to GAYSWILLRULE [2021-07-07 11:48:38 +0000 UTC]
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CascadingSerenity In reply to GAYSWILLRULE [2018-05-26 02:00:53 +0000 UTC]
hooooOHm my god why
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KittyKatArtLuv In reply to ??? [2018-05-25 17:48:43 +0000 UTC]
millie's not the best mom
neither was rainflower
but lizardstripe was fucking horrible
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MagicCat360 In reply to KittyKatArtLuv [2019-05-20 15:35:08 +0000 UTC]
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Mythical-Luz [2018-03-09 08:12:34 +0000 UTC]
Mmm.. I don't hate nor like Millie. She made mistakes and did some good things, but that doesn't bring me to either side. So yeah I'm neutral. What makes me disgusting is how much people hate on Millie for being a "bad mother." Honestly she wasn't that bad chill out. There's honestly wayyy too much hate against her. She doesn't deserve that amount of hate honestly. It's such a large amount of hate it's ridiculous, and when I see people just insult her without giving solid or fair reasons for Millie's actions it just wants to make me want to puke a little in my mouth at how unfair and ignorant these people are to be honest.
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ajqrocks In reply to ??? [2018-03-02 00:42:31 +0000 UTC]
Briarlight, yes, could die any day so I agree Millie should value her time with her, BUT. Millie WAS the REASON that Blossomfall went to the dark Forest in the first place. A LOT of cats were there because of kit-neglect (child-neglect). In my opinion parent cats should look beyond one of their kits that consumes their mind or whatever does, and pay attention to all of them.
POINT:
Millie could be spending time with Briarlight but invite her other kits to come too, I have never read a scene where Millie and the rest of her kits are visiting Briarlight. Yes, Lizardstripe, and Rainflower were WORSE. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong. I've thought about this post carefully, and you should too before you reply that Millie is a Mary Sue, or angel. SHE. IS. NOT. She has flaws, she has some stuff she needs to sort out. YES she is stressed. YES she is concerned. But that doesn't mean she should neglect/ignore her other kits ALL TOGETHER. She should at least spend SOME time with Blossomfall, and Bumblestripe. No I don't think Millie is evil. She's a good cat! She just needs to be a better PARENT. That comes from experience, she never has another litter, because her and Graystripe are old as it is to be parents to such younger kits. I don't control the plot, but I for one, feel sorry for Millie. The reason Graystripe chooses Silverstream in StarClan may be because Millie never goes to StarClan, or dies AFTER Graystripe. But Silverstream does have a LARGE right to claim Graystripe.
I am neutral on the Millie, or Silverstream relationship. So don't spam me with hate, I haven't picked a side.
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CreepallaAndJenny In reply to ??? [2018-01-28 21:54:38 +0000 UTC]
Any thoughts on LIZARDSTRIPE? Now she was a horrid mother. One of the reasons Brokenstar became evil...
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CreepallaAndJenny In reply to Skyfirewolf [2018-03-04 07:14:52 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! I mean so many people forgot about LIZARDSTRIPE! Like their is a bad parent in every clan. Crowfeather in WindClan, Lizardstripe in ShadowClan, Millie in Thunderclan and Rainflower and Appledusk in RiverClan. Thanks a lot Erin Hunter
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QueenAce116 In reply to ??? [2017-12-31 21:38:51 +0000 UTC]
Rainflower was a dick Millie is a bitch now who's more of a asshole to their kits rainflower was cruel to her kit because of his jaw being twisted and unfortunately or fortunately I do not know millie but from what I can see she's cruel to her kit just because
(I'm sorry for cursing I just decided to apologize cuz I was already banned once from someone's profile by cursing)
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AlphaAreus In reply to QueenAce116 [2018-01-24 20:43:30 +0000 UTC]
i don't recall Mille ever being horrible to briar light
or Bumblestripe
She only disciplined Blossomfall, and thought she would be ok
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QueenAce116 In reply to AlphaAreus [2018-01-24 23:42:44 +0000 UTC]
oh I was not referring to her like that I was just referring to Millie being a total butt to blossomfall
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chicalover2099 In reply to ??? [2017-12-10 04:03:34 +0000 UTC]
For all you people saying Millie sucks. Then you most likely never heard of the word "Mary sue" and "Punishment" because Blossomfall had gone against her leader's word, she went into the dark forest herself. She doesn't need all of Millie's attention, and the truth is that Briarlight can die any day, so of course Millie being a good mother. Briarlight's a fucking crippled cat. Meanwhile Blossomfall is complaining about not getting all of her mother's attention?! how the fuck does that make any sense?!. Plus Silverstream is a MARY SUE. she has no flaws, shes just fucking perfect. Also Millie didn't steal Graystripe from Silverstream, if you think that you most likely are 8 or ship Spottedleaf x Firestar. Because Graystripe CHOSE her.
I'm prob gonna get hate from whiny Silverstripe fans saying how Millie is cruel. Even though they didn't experience a parent yelling at them.
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InsideousMindFlayer In reply to ??? [2017-11-26 07:59:24 +0000 UTC]
Millie sucks! Always being mean to Blossomfall! Briarlight can take care of herself thank you very much!
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WarriorCat-Animation In reply to ??? [2017-11-25 18:53:33 +0000 UTC]
I wanna see Millie's reaction when Graystripe chooses Silverstream over her in StarClan X'D
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Skyfirewolf In reply to WarriorCat-Animation [2018-03-02 23:52:48 +0000 UTC]
oooooohhhhhhh yeah....
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QueenAce116 In reply to ??? [2017-11-24 11:39:48 +0000 UTC]
Millie is a douchebag poor blossomfall her mother wouldn't care if she died she's just more concerned with briarlight and she can take care of herself besides she's got JayFeather to take care of her i didn't know anything about Millie yet but from what you said she's a douchebag
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miiea In reply to ??? [2017-11-10 01:22:51 +0000 UTC]
tbh I don't hate millie, but I don't love her either.
I actually thought it was really interesting how she played out after Briar's injury. Hell, I think it's her mother instincts that completely caved in which caused her to be in that state. It got to the point where she could really only set her eyes on briar, even though briar is strong and found it annoying , Millie couldn't really help it. I don't think Millie shouldn't have yelled at Blossomfall over the tunnel incident, but I think her reason was that Blossom was actually a cat with two working back legs, so she felt like Blossom shouldn't act "weak" when there's cats like briar with even worse injuries and still try to go strong (though Millie didn't see that part, considering her overprotectiveness of Briar).
but hey if you don't like millie that'd totally fine with me, you have your opinion and I have my own my dude 👍
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Candypelt In reply to ??? [2017-11-05 00:35:42 +0000 UTC]
Youŕe so rifght!! I mean, did millie reaize how much her kits needed her?? I respect your opinion
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FrostfeatherDeputy In reply to ??? [2017-07-24 12:34:50 +0000 UTC]
Hazeltail is like, "are you fucking serious right now"
ovo
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Dapplefrost2007 In reply to ??? [2017-07-16 14:33:27 +0000 UTC]
I agree, if u read dark river (or is it the sight, idk) Millie taught Hollypaw something (which I also don't remember) and did it kindly. Rainflower was like "Eh, I don't care about u, Crookedkit. I'm just going to replace u with Oakkit and leave u alone like ur not there, and if u die, I'm not even going to be sad." but Millie will be sad if Blossomfall or Bumblestripe dies. I'm not a fan of Millie, just so u know.
by the way Cas, I like ur 45 minute speech u gave about Millie
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StarlightTwinkleSnow [2017-06-24 20:32:50 +0000 UTC]
I HATE MILLIE,
She kinda broke the code cuz she is still staying as kittypet as she doesn't want to change her name
she only cares for graystripe and her one kit,
She doesn't care for her clan,
she is a replacement of Silverstream
she is a bitch.
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miiea In reply to StarlightTwinkleSnow [2017-11-10 01:07:59 +0000 UTC]
I guess part of the name rule's fault was firestar's for letting her keep the name lmao
I think she actually did care for her other kits, but thanks to briar's injury she completely caved into her mother instincts. I respect your opinion though 👍
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StarlightTwinkleSnow In reply to miiea [2017-11-10 08:18:41 +0000 UTC]
Yeah firestar we get it your a kitty pet, but you proved you self while Others did nothing
But Millie didn't even care blossom fall was hurt!
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