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Description "I honestly don't really like Millie. She never had much appeal to me and I feel like she was too mean to Blossomfall, but I can understand why she was acting the way she was."
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"I don't think Millie deserves all the hate that she gets. She's done some bad things but everyone makes mistakes."
Ok cool.

"ANYONE WHO LIKES MILLIE IS FUCKING STUPID. CAN'T THEY SEE HOW MUCH OF A BITCH SHE WAS?"
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"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU INSULT MILLIE. SHE'S FUCKING PERFECT. SHUT UP AND GO DIE."
sToP.

So recently I received some comments from Millie supporters and it encourged (for the lack of a better word lol) me to redraw this:
   
and rehash my opinions on Millie.


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My opinions on Millie have changed a bit over the years; I don't hate her as much as I used to, but I still dislike her. [LENGTHY RANT AHEAD I'M SORRY; skip to the cut if you'd like]

My anger against her have fizzled because I've seen people bring up a few good points. She brought Graystripe back home. She was only worried about Briarlight because she had almost lost her two times before. She acted the way she did against Blossomfall because of her stress.  I could go on.
I mean, compared to Rainflower, Millie is an absolute ANGEL.


Although I am completely aware of these points, personally, Millie has never been much of an appealing character. Here are my reasons :

First off, I will not use the argument "Millie stole Graystripe from Silverstream" because Silverstream has consented Graystripe's relationship with Millie and supports it. (and the fact that the Erins confirmed Graystripe will choose Silverstream when he enters StarClan is punishment enough for Millie lol... Graystripe and Millie's relationship in the novels wasn't that great anyways.)

Millie...just doesn't do much. I haven't read the books in a long time, but from what I recall, I don't think Millie has done anything significant after she brought Graystripe home (but even so, Graystripe just doesn't seem as fun of a character at all when he comes back, compared to the original series). The only think I remember her for is fussing constantly for her kits and sharing prey with Graystripe.

Millie coddles Briarlight excessively. Yes, I understand that she almost died twice, but doesn't that in a sense show Millie that she's a fighter? Jayfeather is there to take care of her and Briarlight has shown to be strong and independent.
There are other mothers in the series who have experienced traumatic events with their kits. Frostfur was the mother of Cinderpelt AND Brightheart, yet she didn't go hysterical and yell her other children. (YES, i get that Frostfur was born a clan cat and is used to violence and injuries, but she had two of her own kits mangled and defaced and still remained calm and loving to her other children.)

I've seen people say that Blossomfall is a bratty attention whore and that she's the bad guy. People compare her to Bumblestripe and say that he didn't care if Millie ignored him. I agree that she was acting a bit childish, but every cat has their individual personalities and what they deem "acceptable behavior" from their parents. It's like that when they were kits, Blossomfall grew accustomed to being pampered by her mother. That's why when Millie started ignoring her, Blossomfall felt neglected and jealous. Sometimes, you can't help those feelings. Blossomfall herself has said that she felt guilty for having them. 

Then Blossomfall and Ivypool went into the tunnels. Blossomfall openly expresses "Will Millie miss me if I die down here?". She's truly insecure about how her mother views her. I don't think that this is "bratty". A lot of children who are ignored by their parents will doubt their love for them and make them feel neglected. When they return, Millie does something that I really don't like. She berates Blossomfall, confirming Blossomfall's fears and making her believe that Millie would not have missed her if she had died in the tunnels.

Millie says that what they did was irresponsible, which I agree to; they were wasting their time and were being dumb. But then she goes on to her to "grow up and become a proper warrior." Um. Proper warrior? Millie, who stays back in the clan and whines and cries and coddles Briarlight apparently know what it means to be a proper warrior. I don't remember seeing Millie go out and hunt for Briarlight, so why does she so strongly feel as though Blossomfall has to?
She goes on to say that "Briarlight would do anything to help feed the clan." Ok, way to go. Not only are you making Blossomfall feel like you wouldn't care if she died, but now you're comparing her to Briarlight. THE VERY THING THAT SHE IS FEELING GUILT ABOUT. that is one big no-no. (correct me if I'm wrong, I read this on the wiki) Brackenfur even approaches Millie and says that the important thing is that they're safe. She then proceeds to yell at him.

People have said "Well, Blossomfall should've confronted her mother about it." But after all those things that Millie has said, would Blossomfall really have felt secure enough to open up to her mom? Also, shouldn't Millie be the ADULT and talk to Blossomfall FIRST?

I don't really remember what time frame the above scene took place, but it also unnerves me. Blossomfall isn't the one who confronts her mother about the injury. She didn't want to take her mother's "attention". Hazeltail has to be the one who calls her and tells her "Hey, I think your daughter's sick." Millie then waves her of in a very "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT" way and says "What? She's fine. I have to go check on Briarlight." Really? Briarlight can live a five minutes without your attention. What ticks me off is that Millie doesn't even take a second to walk over and ask what's wrong. 

tbh, I would like Millie a lot more if the Erins had included some sort of scene where she and Blossomfall console in eachother and apologize. But sadly it never happened. Afterwards, Millie just seemed indifferent to the whole situation.

I guess all of my reasons above are invalid if you play the "she was hysterical" card, but eh, those who defend Millie would have found a way to counter me anyways.

tl,dr; I have no doubt in my mind that Millie loves her kits. I know she does. She's not a terrible mother, but for the reasons above she's certainly not one of the best either. I can understand why people like her and that's totally ok! I just personally am not fond of her.

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Point is, people who are allowed to love Millie have all the right to. They are allowed to defend her and admire her. Likewise, people who dislike Millie are entitled to their opinion and are allowed to express why.

What is not ok is when you get disrespectful and personal about it. Do not insult someone personally because of their preference or dislike for a character. Do not wish death upon them. Do not get overly passionate about trying to change someone's mind about a character. Do not get butthurt over FICTIONAL CATS.

I'm actually thinking about closing the comments on the old drawing. I've looked through them the other day and it's a bit of a mess. x'D

Feel free to leave your opinions, but please be tasteful and respectful. 'preciate it.

aa well i wasted 45 minutes typing that and now im tired. sorry if there are grammar/spelling mistakes anywhere i will proofread later.

g'day.

do not use, redistribute, repost my art and/or my characters without my permission thanks
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Comments: 488

miiea In reply to ??? [2017-11-10 12:17:11 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you there lol

I think what millie's point when she yelled at her in the tunnels is that blossom's actually a cat with two working back legs, so millie didn't want her to act "weak" when there are others with worse injuries. I don't agree with what she said but I think that's the point she was trying to make-

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XxPixellaxX In reply to ??? [2017-10-22 19:07:49 +0000 UTC]

i agree (not going against millie lovers btw) 

When Honeyfern saw the snake she quickly ran and DIED to save Briarkit. I know everybody was shocked but Millie could have thanked her or atleast nod a thank you or say something nice at least!

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StarlightTwinkleSnow In reply to XxPixellaxX [2017-10-23 14:20:16 +0000 UTC]

IKR?

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icebluumoon In reply to ??? [2017-06-09 04:02:22 +0000 UTC]

Millie is a good example of someone who has not completely gone through the phases of loss. Although Briarlight is not dead, she doesn't have the chance to live the same life as her brother and sister. Millie is a bit delusional. thinking that Briarlight could have been the perfect cat with nothing wrong with her at all if her legs didn't become paralyzed. She doesn't realize that Briarlight could have been imperfect. So when she sees her two other kits do something imperfect she doesn't realize that Briarlight could make those same mistakes.
I honestly think that Millie is good at heart but her delusional state keeps her from seeing reality, but she honestly has gotten better as the books go on.

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Rynneer In reply to icebluumoon [2017-10-02 00:53:19 +0000 UTC]

That's a really good point. I haven't really seen her get better though, more like she's faded into the background more.

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WolfieFox1226 In reply to icebluumoon [2017-06-11 19:29:38 +0000 UTC]

I agree completely. 

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FrostfeatherDeputy In reply to ??? [2017-06-03 12:24:10 +0000 UTC]

Millie




perfect example of an awful parent

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TheLilacWolf In reply to FrostfeatherDeputy [2017-06-06 18:53:12 +0000 UTC]

Rainflower's even worse though????

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FrostfeatherDeputy In reply to TheLilacWolf [2017-06-21 18:56:30 +0000 UTC]

Rainflower was a dick

Millie is perfection compared to her. i hate rainflower more than Millie.

RAINFLOWER Y DID U NOT GO TO ROT IN THE DARK FOREST MAN!!!??????

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PetiteSuie2025 In reply to FrostfeatherDeputy [2017-06-28 07:41:02 +0000 UTC]

Rainflower made up with Crookedstar in Starclan.

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FrostfeatherDeputy In reply to PetiteSuie2025 [2017-07-09 13:23:47 +0000 UTC]

yea
 
ik i was like "y didnt u do this earlier Rainy"

i mean, before Stormkits accident she was a great mom.

but i think she went to far..and im doing a rainflower rant.

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Iceclaw929 In reply to ??? [2017-05-03 21:55:14 +0000 UTC]

TBH I love Millie for caring for briarlight but honestly I think she neglected blossomfall and I think that was why blossomfall joined training in the DF so she could prove herself to her mother. (Just cannon probably not true but pls respect my opinion.)

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Pounncer In reply to ??? [2017-04-17 14:51:57 +0000 UTC]

I honestly love Millie :>

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Dominicanpro In reply to Pounncer [2017-12-05 20:08:34 +0000 UTC]

I honestly hate her...but I respect your opinion.

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SharpEyedJay13 In reply to ??? [2017-04-11 12:22:50 +0000 UTC]

I hate Millie. Ever since she replaced Silverstream, I HATED her. I hate Daisy too. And it's not that I hate non-clan born cats, ok, cause I don't. I like Firestar, Mousewhisker, Hazeltail, Berrynose, and Purdy just fine. Stormcloud too. But Daisy and Millie are always "Oh, what's going to happen to my precious kit?" or "My kit is going to die, isn't it?" and then, Millie just abandons Blossomfall and Bumblestripe, and Daisy's just like "Imma go have kits with Spider-dude, and not care about the kits that I had with that b*tch Smoky!" T-that's their mindset. 

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DancingHearts120 In reply to ??? [2017-04-11 01:27:19 +0000 UTC]

I don't understand why people hate Millie just because of how she acted in one scene while everyone hates Graystripe while he was a HORRIBLE father. He could've reassured Millie and Blossomfall, but he let Blossomfall's little whiny self train in the Dark Forest.

Not only that, but Blossomfall is all grown up. She doesn't need her mother. Millie doesn't hate Blossomfall. Parents yell at kids ALL the time.

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WarriorCat-Animation In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-11-25 18:54:56 +0000 UTC]

Because Blossomfall ASKED for help and Millie didn't even have the decency to listen to her, that's long story short why she's a complete demon. Not a much better mum than Rainflower.

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CascadingSerenity In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-04-11 02:10:08 +0000 UTC]

Personally, I don't hate Millie because of that one scene, I hate her because of her poor characterization (especially in the canon novels). She isn't seen doing much, she's not a very interesting character and the most significant thing she is known for is neglecting Blossomfall and whining over Briarlight. 
I know for a fact that when I say "Millie" that's what the majority of people will think about. Not about how she goes on a patrol once or twice, not about the few times she's said something nice, not even when she "brought Graystripe home" (again, i don't mind her in the manga, but their characters are so different i find it hard to connect the two). 

Yes, Graystripe was an awful father to his and Millie's kits. But people like him because of who he was. He was a good character in the original series and people remember him as being the goofy, lovable best friend. I'll admit that the Erins completely destroyed that in the newer series, but this is the reason why people don't hate him as much as Millie. He made a good, lasting impression on the readers. Millie did not.

Yes, Blossomfall is all grown up. But I'm legally an adult; I still need my mother. If something bad happens or if I'm really feeling down, she's the first person I call. You also have to keep in mind that Millie probably coddled her kits, judging by how protective she was of Briarkit after the snake incident and how she treats Briarlight in the present. Blossomfall probably grew accustomed to this treatment, so she felt upset when this changed so abruptly. 

No, I agree, Millie doesn't hate Blossomfall and yes, parents yell at their kids as discipline. But if they are yelling at their kids without knowing what's actually going on in their kids' lives (and don't bother to find out WHY they are acting that way) it's a bit counterproductive. As I said in the description, Millie made Blossomfall feel even worse about something that she was already guilty about, which did not help the situation at all.

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WarriorCat-Animation In reply to CascadingSerenity [2017-11-25 19:14:54 +0000 UTC]

That's what I mean, she's a little bitch and she needs to go to The Dark Forest.

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DancingHearts120 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2017-04-27 02:05:05 +0000 UTC]

Blossomfall also made Millie feel worse. Millie was stressed over the Briarlight situation because she could die any moment, and for Blossomfall to break the warrior code (Leader's word is law) and almost getting herself killed made it worse for Millie. The tunnel scene toke place during leaf-bare, which made what Millie said to Blossomfall (Grow up and be a proper warrior) even more true. Yes adults sometimes need help from their parents, but not all the time. You also don't see kids make an alliance with Hell just because they don't get attention.

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CascadingSerenity In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-04-27 03:06:52 +0000 UTC]

Blossomfall did make Millie worry more, but that doesn't mean she has the right to yell at her, tell her to grow up and compare her to Briarlight, when Blossomfall had already expressed that she felt bad about being jealous over her sister. Blossomfall didn't go alone either, Ivypool was in danger and Whitewing expressed actual concern for her. While I acknowledge that you can't compare Whitewing's situation exactly with Millie's (because Whitewing's kits are all "normal") I don't think taking your frustration out on one of your other children is going to help anyone.

It irks me so much... That line "grow up and be a proper warrior". I don't see Millie out hunting for Briarlight. Why does she get to be the hysterical mother when Blossomfall can't be the depressed and confused daughter? Why is Blossomfall obligated to ignore her own issues and work for the Clan when Millie clearly isn't? It's so hypocritical imo.

Nope, you're right, but listen: the Dark Forest are known to target those who are mentally weak. Blossomfall wasn't upset because she wasn't getting attention. In her mind, she felt like she was unloved and unappreciated my her mother. She goes as far as to wonder if her mother would even care about her if she died. (Reading from the wiki) Her guilt over her jealously even makes her believe that she deserves to be part of the Dark Forest as a form of punishment. Of course, these feelings would've never happened if Millie had offered some word of consolidation. The Dark Forest offered her recognition and appreciation, which made her feel needed and that's why she joined. These characters don't join Hell for surface-level reasons. 

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SharpEyedJay13 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2017-04-11 12:26:32 +0000 UTC]

True, Serenity. I kinda hate her for that reason, but it's mainly because her WHOLE freaking character devopment is "Oh, POOR BRIARLIGHT! I MUST SHOWER HER WITH LOVE!"

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CascadingSerenity In reply to SharpEyedJay13 [2017-04-11 14:58:39 +0000 UTC]

tbh, I don't blame her for being worried over her child. It's just the fact that she was excessively worried (to the point where Jayfeather and Briarlight herself have to tell her to tone it down) and how insensitive she was towards Blossomfall. 

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Dapplefrost2007 In reply to ??? [2017-04-03 21:39:49 +0000 UTC]

my opinion, i sort of like millie because she treated hollypaw nicely when hollypaw became a warrior apprentice and mistaken a leaf as prey

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PastelRibbonsxx In reply to ??? [2017-03-31 02:47:58 +0000 UTC]

Didn't blossomfall train with the dark forest?
honestly, I hate blossomfall...

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DancingHearts120 In reply to ??? [2017-03-18 14:59:12 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, IMO Blossomfall is one of the worst characters ever. Why can't she be like Bumblestripe?

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CascadingSerenity In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-03-18 15:52:16 +0000 UTC]

because not everyone will react in the same way as others :>

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DancingHearts120 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2017-04-11 01:10:47 +0000 UTC]

That still doesn't excuse her actions and the fact that she wimped out in the Dark Forest battle.

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CascadingSerenity In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-04-11 01:52:34 +0000 UTC]

No, it doesn't excuse her actions, but it gives a reason for them and I can begin to see why she made those choices.

Also when did she wimp out in the battle? I haven't read the Last Hope in a while, so i'm checking the wiki and it says she fights against the Dark Forest cats with her clan. 

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DancingHearts120 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2017-04-27 02:06:41 +0000 UTC]

Blossomfall, Mousewhisker, and Birchfall all spectated the Dark Forest battle until Ivypool convinced them, so I guess she did kind of fight, but the fact that had to be convinced just makes her a wimp.

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CascadingSerenity In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-04-27 02:48:20 +0000 UTC]

Her final decision was to fight in the end. It shouldn't matter if it took some convincing, her mind was in the right place at the end and she fought for her clan. 

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Alipolis In reply to ??? [2017-03-13 02:59:52 +0000 UTC]

I guess I just don't like her very much. In my mind, she's like a replacement silverstream.. but worse in every way. Y'all are entitled to your own opinions though.

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mysterymeow17 In reply to ??? [2017-02-11 23:56:18 +0000 UTC]

this rant describes perfectly how I feel
lovely art btw

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mogeko123yf In reply to ??? [2017-02-03 13:57:35 +0000 UTC]

I thought that was ivypool 

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Foreversss In reply to ??? [2017-01-31 04:19:34 +0000 UTC]

Millie is the opposite of Rainflower instead she cared for her "Hurt or whatever" kit

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WillowxDemoris In reply to ??? [2017-01-25 19:05:17 +0000 UTC]

Millie + Briarlight becoming crippled = [Millie]- Oh my god!!! Shes so weak, I must stay by her side all times... Who cares about my own other kits or mate, even my clan doesn't matter to me as much as Briarlight does! Oh I will annoy Jayfeather by seeing her.. but oh well. Oh what is that a scratch? Seriously your a grown warrior your wound doesn't matter, I must see my far more important kit Briarlight. (this was basically what it was like when Blossomfall was injured and Millie didn't give a damn) 

Mmm.. I could rant on for ages, but I won't. Anyway does this seem right enough..?

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Meloney-Cat In reply to ??? [2017-01-10 23:16:57 +0000 UTC]

silverstream h no, our love can not be broken we must see each other every day i dont care i graystripe will have to leave his apprenice behind

greystripe : oh i will always love you, nothing will be better than you

after he meet millie : oh millie i love you so much you are the best

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 millie : i dont care HOW many cats will have to die to save my daughter , it can even be 1000 cats



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ok i hated silverstream, but millie, when i think of her i get all red

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Cinder-Raichu In reply to ??? [2016-12-27 22:21:35 +0000 UTC]

Millie is a bad mother I don't like her

Milleie and Rainflowerer = *die*

I actually dislike them both.

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DancingHearts120 In reply to Cinder-Raichu [2017-03-18 15:01:36 +0000 UTC]

Millie: Takes care of injured kit
Rainflower: Hates injured kit
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF A GOOD MOTHER PEOPLE!!!!

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Cinder-Raichu In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-03-18 15:42:01 +0000 UTC]

To me, Millie and Rainflower...ugh I don't like them, but I don't hate them.

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MistiPooh In reply to ??? [2016-12-13 17:59:17 +0000 UTC]

i myself hate millie but this is so cute i love how fluff they look

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UniverseDragon In reply to ??? [2016-10-19 00:19:52 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I don't hate her either, but for the exact same reasons you listed I dislike Millie as well.

That, and the part where she said "grow up and become a proper warrior" always has me thinking "and who here is the one with a kittypet name, may I ask?" Yeah, Daisy and Purdy didn't change their names, and neither did Brook, but Brook was just visiting (even though she and Stormfur didn't know when they'd leave ThunderClan), and Purdy and Daisy are not warriors - Purdy is an elder and Daisy works in the nursery.

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DancingHearts120 In reply to UniverseDragon [2017-04-11 01:11:53 +0000 UTC]

How does a name define a proper warrior?

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UniverseDragon In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-04-14 23:56:34 +0000 UTC]

I have a proper list of points as to why I hate when new members don't change their names. I make exceptions for cats like Brook, who grew up in a totally different goup and culture, or daylight warriors who do not live their entire life in the Clan (and this is a specific instance to SkyClan anyway). But kittypets are not a culture, and rogues typically aren't either. To fully embrace this culture (Clans) you are pledging allegiance too, you should take on a proper name. Sure, the name doesn't define how good of a job they'll do or of how loyal they'll be (for example, Brokenstar and Tigerstar took on true warrior names but became murderers, while Billystorm was loyal right to his death). But not taking on a proper name literally goes against vowing to leave behind your old kittypet/rogue life to become a warrior, and arguably breaks the code about rejecting the soft life of a kittypet. Firestar changed his name. Russetfur changed her name. Sharpclaw changed his name. I could list more, but you get the point. By holding on to their old name, even in part, you are ignoring part of the code and straight-up lying about fully embracing this new culture you are joining. It also dilutes the culture itself, taking away all these important traditions the Clans have built, as if trying to deem them null. Millie claimed that she didn't want to change her name because she wasn't ashamed of her past, but that's not the core reason behind changing your name. Following the tradition doesn't somehow mean you hate everything about your past that isn't involved in the Clan, it just means you are truly 100% dedicated to the Clans and the code, and the traditions within. I don't really include Purdy in this, as he's an elder and not a warrior.

I was so happy that Stormcloud took on a full warrior name in Bramblestar's Storm. Too long they were ignoring their own traditions. What's the point in having a culture and traditions if you turn around and ignore them?

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mogeko123yf In reply to UniverseDragon [2017-02-03 14:01:22 +0000 UTC]

IKR!!

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Ciindercloud In reply to ??? [2016-10-18 12:45:34 +0000 UTC]

good point, tho my issue is where was graystripe when all this stuff was happening, he never went to talk to blossomfall or confort her

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DancingHearts120 In reply to Ciindercloud [2017-04-11 01:12:30 +0000 UTC]

Same. Graystripe is a much worse parent than Millie, and everyone hates Millie.

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xHolly-Leavesx [2016-10-16 15:15:15 +0000 UTC]

i like millie tbh she is protective over her disabled child WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? Mothers will overreact when there child gets injuried. Blossomfall was fine thats why she didn't notice her! Also Blossom is a warrior now....she doesn't need a mother to take care of her now.

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DancingHearts120 In reply to xHolly-Leavesx [2017-03-18 15:02:02 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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DuckInATopHat In reply to xHolly-Leavesx [2016-12-16 05:02:07 +0000 UTC]

Not to mention, Briarkit was almost bitten by a snake, and Millie wasn't watching her. So just think about what was going through Millie's mind when Jayfeather told her (without even trying to comfort her, might I add) that her daughter would never become a warrior like her brother and sister.

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