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"I honestly don't really like Millie. She never had much appeal to me and I feel like she was too mean to Blossomfall, but I can understand why she was acting the way she was."or
"I don't think Millie deserves all the hate that she gets. She's done some bad things but everyone makes mistakes."
Ok cool.
"ANYONE WHO LIKES MILLIE IS FUCKING STUPID. CAN'T THEY SEE HOW MUCH OF A BITCH SHE WAS?"
or
"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU INSULT MILLIE. SHE'S FUCKING PERFECT. SHUT UP AND GO DIE."
sToP.
So recently I received some comments from Millie supporters and it encourged (for the lack of a better word lol) me to redraw this:
and rehash my opinions on Millie.
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My opinions on Millie have changed a bit over the years; I don't hate her as much as I used to, but I still dislike her. [LENGTHY RANT AHEAD I'M SORRY; skip to the cut if you'd like]
My anger against her have fizzled because I've seen people bring up a few good points. She brought Graystripe back home. She was only worried about Briarlight because she had almost lost her two times before. She acted the way she did against Blossomfall because of her stress. I could go on.
I mean, compared to Rainflower, Millie is an absolute ANGEL.
Although I am completely aware of these points, personally, Millie has never been much of an appealing character. Here are my reasons :
First off, I will not use the argument "Millie stole Graystripe from Silverstream" because Silverstream has consented Graystripe's relationship with Millie and supports it. (and the fact that the Erins confirmed Graystripe will choose Silverstream when he enters StarClan is punishment enough for Millie lol... Graystripe and Millie's relationship in the novels wasn't that great anyways.)
Millie...just doesn't do much. I haven't read the books in a long time, but from what I recall, I don't think Millie has done anything significant after she brought Graystripe home (but even so, Graystripe just doesn't seem as fun of a character at all when he comes back, compared to the original series). The only think I remember her for is fussing constantly for her kits and sharing prey with Graystripe.
Millie coddles Briarlight excessively. Yes, I understand that she almost died twice, but doesn't that in a sense show Millie that she's a fighter? Jayfeather is there to take care of her and Briarlight has shown to be strong and independent.
There are other mothers in the series who have experienced traumatic events with their kits. Frostfur was the mother of Cinderpelt AND Brightheart, yet she didn't go hysterical and yell her other children. (YES, i get that Frostfur was born a clan cat and is used to violence and injuries, but she had two of her own kits mangled and defaced and still remained calm and loving to her other children.)
I've seen people say that Blossomfall is a bratty attention whore and that she's the bad guy. People compare her to Bumblestripe and say that he didn't care if Millie ignored him. I agree that she was acting a bit childish, but every cat has their individual personalities and what they deem "acceptable behavior" from their parents. It's like that when they were kits, Blossomfall grew accustomed to being pampered by her mother. That's why when Millie started ignoring her, Blossomfall felt neglected and jealous. Sometimes, you can't help those feelings. Blossomfall herself has said that she felt guilty for having them.
Then Blossomfall and Ivypool went into the tunnels. Blossomfall openly expresses "Will Millie miss me if I die down here?". She's truly insecure about how her mother views her. I don't think that this is "bratty". A lot of children who are ignored by their parents will doubt their love for them and make them feel neglected. When they return, Millie does something that I really don't like. She berates Blossomfall, confirming Blossomfall's fears and making her believe that Millie would not have missed her if she had died in the tunnels.
Millie says that what they did was irresponsible, which I agree to; they were wasting their time and were being dumb. But then she goes on to her to "grow up and become a proper warrior." Um. Proper warrior? Millie, who stays back in the clan and whines and cries and coddles Briarlight apparently know what it means to be a proper warrior. I don't remember seeing Millie go out and hunt for Briarlight, so why does she so strongly feel as though Blossomfall has to?
She goes on to say that "Briarlight would do anything to help feed the clan." Ok, way to go. Not only are you making Blossomfall feel like you wouldn't care if she died, but now you're comparing her to Briarlight. THE VERY THING THAT SHE IS FEELING GUILT ABOUT. that is one big no-no. (correct me if I'm wrong, I read this on the wiki) Brackenfur even approaches Millie and says that the important thing is that they're safe. She then proceeds to yell at him.
People have said "Well, Blossomfall should've confronted her mother about it." But after all those things that Millie has said, would Blossomfall really have felt secure enough to open up to her mom? Also, shouldn't Millie be the ADULT and talk to Blossomfall FIRST?
I don't really remember what time frame the above scene took place, but it also unnerves me. Blossomfall isn't the one who confronts her mother about the injury. She didn't want to take her mother's "attention". Hazeltail has to be the one who calls her and tells her "Hey, I think your daughter's sick." Millie then waves her of in a very "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT" way and says "What? She's fine. I have to go check on Briarlight." Really? Briarlight can live a five minutes without your attention. What ticks me off is that Millie doesn't even take a second to walk over and ask what's wrong.
tbh, I would like Millie a lot more if the Erins had included some sort of scene where she and Blossomfall console in eachother and apologize. But sadly it never happened. Afterwards, Millie just seemed indifferent to the whole situation.
I guess all of my reasons above are invalid if you play the "she was hysterical" card, but eh, those who defend Millie would have found a way to counter me anyways.
tl,dr; I have no doubt in my mind that Millie loves her kits. I know she does. She's not a terrible mother, but for the reasons above she's certainly not one of the best either. I can understand why people like her and that's totally ok! I just personally am not fond of her.
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Point is, people who are allowed to love Millie have all the right to. They are allowed to defend her and admire her. Likewise, people who dislike Millie are entitled to their opinion and are allowed to express why.
What is not ok is when you get disrespectful and personal about it. Do not insult someone personally because of their preference or dislike for a character. Do not wish death upon them. Do not get overly passionate about trying to change someone's mind about a character. Do not get butthurt over FICTIONAL CATS.
I'm actually thinking about closing the comments on the old drawing. I've looked through them the other day and it's a bit of a mess. x'D
Feel free to leave your opinions, but please be tasteful and respectful. 'preciate it.
aa well i wasted 45 minutes typing that and now im tired. sorry if there are grammar/spelling mistakes anywhere i will proofread later.
g'day.
do not use, redistribute, repost my art and/or my characters without my permission thanks
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Comments: 488
Alternatewarriors In reply to ??? [2016-11-13 16:30:06 +0000 UTC]
Well yeah, but they said "something's wrong with Blossomfall" she didn't give a sht, and went to check on Brairlight instead. She wasn't protective over Blossompaw then...:/
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DancingHearts120 In reply to Alternatewarriors [2017-03-18 15:03:21 +0000 UTC]
Millie checked on Blossomfall, then went to Briarlight saying she's alright. Her injuries probably aren't bad compared to Briarlight.
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rosycrowns In reply to ??? [2016-10-21 15:26:57 +0000 UTC]
Finally, someone who shares the same opinion as me!
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PandorasPhantom In reply to ??? [2016-10-09 07:05:03 +0000 UTC]
I definitely agree with the rant,But I can understand why Millie is so neglectful to her other children.Being the older sister of an autistic brother with a dad who isn't around much,It can get very stressful for a mother.Usually if one of your kids is disabled,You'd naturally have to spend more time with that kid,And less with the other one.However,The other child can't help feeling insecure and at the least,irritated with the mother,And Millie has no excuse for being so neglectful towards blossomfall.Then again,You don't see toadstep wanting Millie's attention.
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XPumpkintailX In reply to ??? [2016-09-15 19:46:54 +0000 UTC]
Good points in the rant, totally agreed.
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TeenWolfie243 In reply to ??? [2016-07-21 14:26:37 +0000 UTC]
I was just wondering if you were interested in drawing two of my OCs? I honestly cannot draw lol, but I really want to see them (if that makes any sense )
If you are interested in drawing them then here's the link to their information ~ teenwolfie243.deviantart.com/j…
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CascadingSerenity In reply to TeenWolfie243 [2016-07-21 15:15:22 +0000 UTC]
i'm sorry, but i don't do requests!
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TeenWolfie243 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2016-07-22 08:10:16 +0000 UTC]
Oh okay nevermind thanks for telling me though
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Bloomymoomicorn In reply to ??? [2016-07-16 04:15:40 +0000 UTC]
I really don't like Millie. Even aside from her terrible parenting towards Blossomfall, she was an utterly useless cat to have around. You never see her going on patrols or hunting or doing anything to help out, she just... you know. The only reason she joined ThunderClan was to be with Graystripe, and their relationship isn't even that great. Furthermore, it seems she had no idea what she was walking into. She wasn't at all prepared for the hardship and risk, she doesn't abide to or respect the way Clan life is supposed to work, She kept her name which makes it feel like she's not even a real part of the Clan, honestly, she feels more like an obnoxious full time visitor. She doesn't serve the Clan, she lets everyone else do all the work, and it just really doesn't feel like she was ever up to living in a Clan.
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DancingHearts120 In reply to Bloomymoomicorn [2017-03-18 15:07:14 +0000 UTC]
"You never see her go on patrols"
"Your fur is fine" Millie, who was leading the patrol, concetrated over her shoulder" Forgotten Warrior page 129
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DancingHearts120 In reply to Bloomymoomicorn [2017-04-11 01:13:45 +0000 UTC]
What do you mean? I cited evidence that Millie isn't useless and goes on patrols.
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Bloomymoomicorn In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-04-12 17:50:25 +0000 UTC]
I know. One patrol. I actually thought of that one instant before I said that but decided that one time wasn't enough to make up for everything else. And you actually dug through Bramblestar's Storm just to get that quote...
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DancingHearts120 In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-03-18 15:09:46 +0000 UTC]
Millie goes on patrols all the time
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silvermistfeather In reply to Bloomymoomicorn [2016-07-20 22:35:38 +0000 UTC]
at least daisy cared for the kits
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Bloomymoomicorn In reply to silvermistfeather [2016-07-21 15:45:20 +0000 UTC]
Yep!! I like Daisy. She may not hunt or anything but she contributes by helping in the nursery. Millie literally does nothing but hover over Briarlight, which Briarlight would *very* much like her to stop doing, and neglects her other kits. I mean look at Bramblestar's Storm. The entire Clan was trying to figure out what to do, the large majority of their territory was flooded so obviously, they didn't have enough resources, and the entire book they were trying to find enough bedding for everyone. Meanwhile, Millie is being rude and shouting at Daisy while she's trying to help out, which Millie never does as I was saying, and trying to evenly distribute the moss that other warriors worked hard to get- And Millie is demanding, shouting at the cats who actually help keep Briarlight fed and alive, probably embarrassing her, too, that she needed more moss. So everyone else should get less and probably suffer aching joints, so that your daughter can sit on a fluffy throne. Seriously? This is another reason she wasn't prepared to live in a Clan. She just doesn't understand that everyone is supposed to get their share, and that sometimes, their just isn't enough resources. If everyone else doesn't have enough so that Briarlight can have more, they're going to have aching bones, as I said, and won't be able to hunt as well, combined with the fact that prey was just starting to come back for the warm weather when there was a flood. So, for that one little thing, she could have starved Briarlight and the rest of the Clan. And her not getting enough moss was also a very frivolous matter to be worried about while Seedpaw's drowning.
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silvermistfeather In reply to Bloomymoomicorn [2016-07-22 16:53:56 +0000 UTC]
ikr millie could at least care for the kits and daisy was a better mother she never said oh berrynose lost his tail I am going to throw away mousewhisker and hazeltail and you are right just bc your kid cant walk doesn't mean she gets more and certainty not yell at everyone
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DancingHearts120 In reply to silvermistfeather [2017-04-11 01:14:59 +0000 UTC]
Berrynose lost his tail, however Briarlight lost her backbone.
Mousewhisker and Hazeltail were kits then, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe are full grown warriors.
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BabyTalli In reply to Bloomymoomicorn [2016-07-26 20:12:34 +0000 UTC]
She was also extremely rude to bramblestar in Bramblestars Storm at one point. Millie was trying to get briarlight up a (idk i cant remeber) and then bramblestar finds a possible way for briarlight to survive. Then millie would rather have her daughter with her and possibly risk the lives of other cats and a sure death for her daughter other than letting her go with Bramblestar. >_<
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DancingHearts120 In reply to BabyTalli [2017-04-11 01:15:43 +0000 UTC]
Sure she could've been nicer than that one scene, but every other part of the book, we see a way nicer side of Millie.
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L0llipopKitty In reply to Bloomymoomicorn [2017-01-25 05:12:39 +0000 UTC]
I AGREE. Literally the only thing Millie ever did useful to the clan was bring Graystripe back and have kits. And to make it worse, she treats her kits terribly. Briarlight is annoyed with her, Blossomfall is extremely jealous and upset over her, and Bumblestripe doesn't really like her. She's just a whiny mouse-brain that hovers over Briarlight as if she's the only thing that matters in the world, while one of her kits is in the Dark Forest, and the other is having a bad love affair. The only thing she actually is in the books is the she-cat in the background who whines over Briarlight and ignores her other kits.
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Bloomymoomicorn In reply to L0llipopKitty [2017-01-25 14:12:07 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.
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ventus-vulpus In reply to ??? [2016-07-09 09:32:59 +0000 UTC]
graystripe y u have 2 choose teh mille she is a bum
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Thinking-0f-Her In reply to ??? [2016-07-08 17:39:53 +0000 UTC]
your neglection pushed her over
the darkforest PULLED HER CLOSER
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DancingHearts120 In reply to Thinking-0f-Her [2017-03-18 15:10:45 +0000 UTC]
Blossomfall also caused Ivypool to be in the dark forest with that logic
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Thinking-0f-Her In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-03-18 16:46:10 +0000 UTC]
it was from a song :3
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Thinking-0f-Her In reply to CascadingSerenity [2016-07-08 18:29:48 +0000 UTC]
a good omg? or bad omg?
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BabyTalli In reply to Thinking-0f-Her [2016-07-26 20:13:29 +0000 UTC]
Since you brought up kids lets talk about that what kind of mother splits after one goes splat.
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Thinking-0f-Her In reply to BabyTalli [2016-08-01 12:50:40 +0000 UTC]
...Oh....took me a while to figure that out
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DragonSlayer832 In reply to ??? [2016-07-05 20:57:53 +0000 UTC]
I like Millie AND Silverstream. Silverstream NEVER ignored and neglected her kits JUST to care for one kit, but with Millie, Millie HAD TO care for Briarlight. Millie was just scared that her daughter might die. She almost lost Briarlight like 3 times (Briarlight almost got bitten by a snake AND the falling tree broke her back, AND Greencough). I understand Millie's actions of a mother, but not when she ignored her 2 kits. I agree with you, CascadingSerenity, Blossomfall and Bumblestripe WERE ALREADY GROWN UP AND ARE WARRIORS, so there is no need for Blossomfall to be so dependent to her mother. Blossomfall and Bumblestripe were not kits anymore. Silverstream lives KINDLY in Starclan with her daughter, Feathertail. Silverstream also asked where Feathertail was to Yellowfang and Fireheart (I think) and ran out to go find her. Millie doesn't survive without leaving Briarlight for a second. I would LOVE Millie if she acted more MOTHERLY to Blossomfall and Bumblestripe. She can just HUNT for Briarlight if she was hungry. Millie also says " IT'S TIME YOU GREW UP, BLOSSOMFALL! AND STARTED TO BEGAVE LIKE A PROPER WARRIOR!! " Millie, YOU ARE NOT acting like a proper warrior. You are acting like a wolf guarding rotten meat. Millie WOULD be a proper warrior if she can GO OUT AND HUNT FOR BRIARLIGHT. Or, she can hunt WITH Blossomfall and Bumblestripe, so Blossomfall won't feel like a useless daughter and a useless, jealous, piece of old poop. So sorry if I was talking so long. Ya. Silverstream AND Millie!!!
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DancingHearts120 In reply to DancingHearts120 [2017-03-18 15:12:16 +0000 UTC]
Millie however does go on patrols. She led one in Forgotten Warrior
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silvermistfeather In reply to DragonSlayer832 [2016-07-20 22:37:28 +0000 UTC]
I agree millie could have been a BETTER mother and yes I agree with silverstream she loves BOTH of her kits
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DancingHearts120 In reply to silvermistfeather [2017-04-11 01:17:13 +0000 UTC]
Silverstream was never a mother, and even if she was she'd neglect both of her kits for Graystripe or pull of a Mapleshade and risk their lives.
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DragonSlayer832 In reply to silvermistfeather [2016-07-20 23:05:19 +0000 UTC]
Whenever I get a respond I go alleluia XD
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awesomemochiyum In reply to ??? [2016-07-03 05:29:15 +0000 UTC]
She was better in the manga because she was really kind and helped Graystripe, even left her home for him, but in the books she was really rude I didn't like her that much
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WolfThatHowlsAtNight In reply to ??? [2016-07-01 13:22:13 +0000 UTC]
Mille in Graystripe's Adventure - All kind, sweet, adventours and would do anything for Graystripe
Mille in the books - Only pays attention to Briarlight
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silvermistfeather In reply to WolfThatHowlsAtNight [2016-07-02 20:25:21 +0000 UTC]
ikr millie: I NEED TO CHECK ON BRIARLIGHT
me: srsly she can live 5 minutes without you with her
blossomfall: mama never loves me
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StarTheWolfPuppy In reply to ??? [2016-07-01 00:25:36 +0000 UTC]
yeah, I thought the thing with Millie and Blossomfall turned out to be a bit of a plot hole- it was like the Erins meant to wrap it up and have them reconcile or something but they just forgot. And then of course the next series is set 2 WHOLE YEARS later so it's much too late to drag it on up to present.
I really don't know with them. I kind of sympathise with Millie in that, in that situation, I can get why she is so protective of Briarlight and nervous about her- they're always throwing on comments about how easily Briarlight's health could decline. At the same time, her neglection of her other kits goes from "I'm too busy" to "I have only one child, who are you?". But to be fair, Greystripe shows even less acknowledgement of his and Millie's kits than SHE does.
I really HATE the whole choosing Silverstream in Starclan thing. It bothers me so much. Not because I dislike Silverstream, but it's like the whole Firestar having to choose Spottedleaf or Sandstorm. Though their relationship isn't well developed, Millie was Greystripe's mate for at least half of his life. Silverstream was not only a LONG time ago, but didn't last nearly as long- the only reason they got MORE development was because there was more focus on his plot because it was so interlinked with Firestar's, whereas when he and Millie come back, they aren't that important to the plot. Not to mention It's both pointless and cruel for Greystripe to have stayed with Millie when all along he was going to choose Silverstream.
MY rant over xD
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WarriorcatHorselover [2016-06-12 16:48:24 +0000 UTC]
Duuuuuuude the two pictures look so different xD
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CascadingSerenity In reply to WarriorcatHorselover [2016-06-12 18:50:28 +0000 UTC]
i hope that's a good thing? Cx
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WarriorcatHorselover In reply to CascadingSerenity [2016-06-15 11:42:41 +0000 UTC]
Yes it is you're really good cx
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