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Note: The armor design is the basic plate armor from Dragon Age 2. The character is mine!...And no, "Hawke" is not REALLY her last name! It's just the role she played.
Just trying out some new textures and a lot of patience, as well as a much needed pic of Chrish in some armor!
To be honest, I REALLY loved how my character's looks translated into DA2, but without tuner or capture card, I was unable to take a picture to show off. Instead, I had to sit on a paused screen and draw this. (I have to say, it's so much easier to draw directly from a reference!)
But now, part of me wonders whether it was a mistake to design my Hawke after Chrishankhah in Dragon Age 2, It made the RPG aspect a lot more difficult because I practically forced myself to choose options based on what I think Chrishankhah would say. (That means more diplomatic responses than humorous ones. Bugger!)
Suffice to say, Chrish has been bitter about magic ever since Sanagis fell. But she seemed to do a 180 from that in DA2 -- supporting mages at every chance. In her defense, though, Sanagisians aren't born mages, whereas mages in the DA2 universe are. You can't exactly punish someone like that for something they have no control over, so it's really not out of character, it just puts her in an interesting circumstance.
I also inadvertently wound up in a romance with one of the LI's, Anders. (That got interesting, story-wise!) Canonically, that just isn't something Chrish would do. But I blame my own weak heart -- for which my OC just had to deal with the consequence. (I mean... he loves cats! Who can resist?) That, and I didn't know what the heart option was doing until he attacked her face. Durp
I wonder if that makes it a fiction-in-a-fiction? Ficteption?
By the way, I mentioned that I was trying out some textures. There is an earlier, less textured version of the picture here for comparison: [link]
Credit where due -- the texture brushes are from [link] !
Update -- With the PC version, I finally *could* get some screenshots of her in game. See this journal for comparison, as well as her new outfit!
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Comments: 92
Silerna In reply to ??? [2011-07-11 09:39:28 +0000 UTC]
Really?That's weird,maybe the bugs cause it.There are so many bugs in that game.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Silerna [2011-07-11 20:50:04 +0000 UTC]
Sadly yes. It's inevitable for a game of that caliber, I think. I really hope they get things fixed!
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Silerna In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-12 09:13:02 +0000 UTC]
Eventually they will or won't
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Mr-Dvar [2011-07-10 07:49:29 +0000 UTC]
Wow! I did not immediately understand what it is - retouched picture, retouched screenshot, or Digital Art.
Just... Wow!
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Chrishankhah In reply to Mr-Dvar [2011-07-10 08:34:56 +0000 UTC]
lol, Certainly the last! My bf actually suggested that people might overlook this because they would think that very thing, but I thought he was just flattering me.
To be honest, if I could have taken a screenshot, I would have. I really wanted to show off how she came out because it was so accurate to an OC I have. But my brother lacks a capture card device for his Xbox. I didn't have much choice but to draw it. I'm also pretty sure I thoroughly annoyed many people in my family by leaving the television on a single character pose for days to do it.
At least things turn out a lot better for me when I'm able to reference something faithfully. I can spend less time worrying about whether I'm drawing it all right and more time focused on the details.
Anyway, thank you kindly for the comment. I had a lot of fun with this and with giving my new texture brushes a try.
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Valky24 [2011-07-09 04:53:43 +0000 UTC]
Question: Do you believe the HUGE blade, for a female warrior is appropriate? Lol, First time I played a female warrior and saw her weilding that gigantic blade I was like... oh, come on...
I did Mage, Rogue, then Warrior in that order and each were descending personalities. A nice/kind/selfless female Mage, a witty/sarcastic/humorous female Rogue and finally, a mean/cruel/selfish warrior female.
Yeah, I always like picking a female, IF I have a choice. But still... to see my female warrior carrying a blade, MUCH bigger than herself was like... whoa... what?
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Chrishankhah In reply to Valky24 [2011-07-09 05:05:44 +0000 UTC]
Generally, no. A two hander is in no way ideal for a female. Even typical sword-shield style fighting requires a lot of strength, because a lot of it is repelling enemies, knocking and holding them back. In a fantasy sense, females are more suitable as rogues and mages to me, because they must make up with in speed and precision (or magic, lol,) what they lack in strength.
That said ... The reason I made her a 2H-warrior is because of the character she is based off of. My OC "Chrishankhah", in my own fiction, rarely uses a shield, opting always for either 1-hand swords + a free hand (to grab enemies and grapple surfaces,) or a 2H, which she will use with either two hands or one. I should mention that my OC is a vampire in my story. That gives her a supernatural amount of strength and speed. A 2H is nothing to her.
I like to secretly pretend that my "Chrishankhah" Hawke really is my Chrishankhah, lol.
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Valky24 In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-09 20:28:39 +0000 UTC]
A Vampire... cool... is she a 'Day Walker' then It looks pretty bright, judging by the sky above, suns obviously out.
Lol, So... I bet she REALLY must like Merrill then. The Blood Mage, Mmmm... blood I can just imagine your Hawke's eyes going like this O_O the moment Merrill first cut her wrist to open the magic force field barrier.
Also... I wonder why Dragon age didn't have any vampires in their games, or atleast I don't recall there being any. Why not, they had alot of other fantasy creatures; The undead, dragons, ogres, etc etc. The only thing they left out were vampires and unicorns, lol.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Valky24 [2011-07-09 20:55:47 +0000 UTC]
She is! Not like Blade or Twilight, though ... (I had my story before either of those were out, lol.) She is a lot weaker in the daytime, but she can endure it. It was a gift (and for a time, a secret gift) given to her by Sekhmet, who is a great mage in my story, based on the ancient egyptian myth.
Ironically, my story actually had something called "blood magic" that was very similar to the blood magic in the game. ([link] is an old design I used for the apprentices -- it's designed so to give the mage quick access to their skin if needed.) It didn't have anything to do with dealing with demons, but it did use the life essense as a source of power.
... And that was the kind of magic Chrish practiced before (and eventually for a time after) she became a vampire. She put it down for good when her land fell to the very magic that created it. She gained a sort of resentment for magic after that -- she'd rather see the world slowly rebuilt, and never again a kind of power that could destroy the world in a day. Though in DA she could never resent someone *born* a mage. Suffice to say, seeing things like what Merrill did isn't completely foreign to her, though I don't think she would approve of the demon bit. (Even though the one who made Chrish a vampire was technically a demon, though one who was trying to rebel.)
Dragon Age even has werewolves. You're right, we're due for a vampire.
I'm fairly sure I haven't seen ANY kind of horse in Dragon Age 2. I have yet to play Origins, so I'm not sure if they're just exempt from the world or what.
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Croxot [2011-07-08 23:04:42 +0000 UTC]
A well done painting, even if Dragon Age armor is generally quite bland.
I generally play with all the "good" choices in games that have a morality system, but I went to snarky route in DA2. I couldn't really bring myself to like Anders. As soon as I met him in-game I told myself "This guy is gonna do something stupid later isn't he?"
Surprise-surprise. Though since I'm generally good I just told him to go away and never come back.
Actually I didn't really like any of the characters except Varric. And that kinda shut down all romance options. Merril is excessively dumb, and Isabela... Isabela is a skank. In fact I found most characters excessively dumb. I mean, the climax really made me HATE Anders, but the medal for dumbest character definitely goes to Orsino.... But I digress.
I like to rant about that game too much. >.>
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Chrishankhah In reply to Croxot [2011-07-09 00:00:52 +0000 UTC]
I like the armor. This one in particular, the color scheme really fits Chrish. I agree that some of the styles seem, well at least weird. (One has a big spike on your chest, I can't get past that!) But you can only go so far with designs before it's just unrealistically ornate, I think. Overall I liked the armor designs.
As for the game... The whole game puts you in a kind of grey area. I've tried and failed to assess it according to my own understanding of what is right and wrong, because my understanding is based on the real world. Dragon Age is a fictional place, with a fictional theology, things aren't quite the same in that sense I guess.
The kind of route you take can actually affect what you think of characters. If you are snarky, you'll bring out snarkiness. Sometimes by rivaling characters they will cave in and say something incredibly humble and profound -- but I found I couldn't really hate anyone (well, maybe except for Sebastian, strangely,) by maxing friendship with my whole party.
... Varric is all around awesome.
Isabela is poisoned by her setting and placement as a pirate. We see as much happen in the real world all of the time, people who grow up or are raised in some kind of circumstance know nothing better.
Merrill is actually incredibly intelligent about certain things, namely the history of her people and clan. Her naivety comes across to me as being sort of cute. (An another note, be careful what you say about her, my family seems to keep comparing my mannerisms to her. Haha) ... The fact of the matter is that she is just socially awkward, because she has lived with the Dalish her entire life. She has never had romance, lived in a city, any of that.
Fenris (you neglected to mention!) got on my nerves at first -- because I found myself oddly siding with the mages, something I didn't think I would do until I realized what was going on. He came across as hypocritical to me, brooding about being a slave yet would see others enslaved for something beyond their control. ... But I grew more sympathetic, because I realized that this hatred was all Fenris could ever know. It was, again, a poisoning of circumstance. We have thousands of people watching the media vigilantly, disgusted that Casey Anthony is free, because they are driven by the anger that a child is dead. They don't really know whether the woman is guilty, none of us do -- none of us can. But sometimes, being hated, oppressed, abused, it causes people to misdirect their anger.
Which brings me to Anders. From a gameplay aspect, you can't kill him. He's your healer. But from a story aspect, he caught my attention the most... I'm not sure whether it was his backstory about having a cat, or his inner tormoil. I'm guessing it was a combination. He is, like Fenris, rightly upset. To make matters worse, he is driven beyond normal human emotion, by a spirit of Justice-turned-Vengeance, to see mages free. His intention is actually quite noble, it is his execution of it that is ultimately flawed. I dare say he is one of the more selfless characters. He does what he feels he has to, and it actually works. And he's willing to let you take his life for it. I think any other character would have fought you right there. I'm not suggesting any man romance him, but from my own experience, making him the LI made the game that much more interesting for me. A lot of things meant a lot more than I think they would have, and hit a lot harder. (Perhaps that's why a large portion of DA2's fans/Anders supporters seem to be girls?)
Sebastian was the only one I couldn't quite come to like. I understand him, but I couldn't get past his hypocrisy. I even understand that he is hurt by Elthina's death. But what he plans to do will just bring the death of more innocents, more people who are loved by other people. He was the one I came to the game expecting to like -- holy, chaste, Scottish accent. -- But as the story progressed, I realized he was the embodiment of so much I grieve over. He is hypocritical, proud, arrogant, a pharisee among sinners who COULD be shown hope and mercy and love, if he would get off his high horse. Perhaps I am overanalyzing, though.
Orsino and Meredith are both victims.
Meredith held the power, and she used it in the worst way. But she was a victim of the idol. However well she intended, she ultimately fell because no person was ever meant to have that kind of power and temptation.
Orsino was driven by desperation. When he uses blood magic, it is his first and last attempt. It is actually quite sad.
The true culprit, then, the true evil in the game IS evil. If you delve enough into the history, the enigmas, you will learn that there is a shallow wall between Kirkwall and the Fade. Demons take over men, mages and templars alike, with little provocation. I would suffice to say that this was why Hawke's mother had to die, why Bethany becomes bitter if you save her life, why Isabela takes off with the thing the Qunari want and why the Qunari take seige in the first place. It is why Merrill is desperate enough to seek a demon for the sake of her clan, why Fenris's hatred would drive him to take the life of a woman begging for mercy, and later, potentially, the life of his own sister. It is why Varric would be tempted with the very shard that destroyed his brother's mind, and it is why, I am almost sure, Justice has been so uncontrollably morphed into a demonic spirit of Vengeance. Among the subplot it is responsible for so much more. I will even admit that it is probably what makes Sebastian so hypocritical. It may even be why Elthina will not speak up and stop unfair treatment of mages.
The whole story is a sad one. But it's provoked a lot of thinking from me. I quite liked it.
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Croxot In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-09 03:35:34 +0000 UTC]
I know nothing of Sebastian. Never bothered with any DLC really.
Merrill, I can understand that she's naive about certain things yet quite intelligible in other areas. It's not necessarily the naivete about human stuff/cities, or her "cute wallflower" character archetype. I think the main problem for me is where there's such a massive disconnect between story and actual gameplay. (and this comes into play in a lot of situations with several characters)
I brought Merrill along and leveled her as a sort of hybrid healer cause I couldn't stand Anders. Now, she goes through 5 hours of gameplay, seeing crazy people succumb to demons and blood magic (and let's face it 90% of quests that dealt with mages ended in disaster and blood magic) and in turn seeing me hack them to pieces and tell them what they did was wrong... AND YET, at the end of her quest chain she's still convinced blood magic is the answer. And guess what? It goes wrong! Derp. Sorry Merrill, guess I have to kill your entire village now.
Isabella, okay, I know what they were going for, and I know she's clearly 99% of male player's romantic choice, but she still bugs me. That simply comes down to personality.
Fenris... I didn't hate him as much as Anders. But I didn't really like him either. I could not for the life of me figure out how to get friendship points with him. So I said "Screw it! I give up." No idea how his personal quest line ends.
Anders I suppose simply comes down to how unbearably whiny he gets. Yeah, I understand his plight, I understand he's possessed by a spirit of vengeance and that could cause some trouble... But he just wont shut up... The climax was simply the nail in the whine-coated coffin. But I do understand why he has so many fangirls.
Orsino... ugh...
I know desperation, yadda yadda yadda-- I JUST KILLED 20 TEMPLARS WITH TWO SWORD STROKES. YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE HAD TO LIFT A FINGER, BUT NOOOOOO, BLOOD MAGIC MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER!
Again, the disconnect between story and gameplay. I can hack Templars apart without any support and hardly break a sweat, but the story says we're wallowing in desperation and apparently near death so Orsino has to succumb to blood magic.
Meredith makes more sense to me. She's held the artifact for a while by then, and should have been sufficiently wacko by that point in time.
I suppose I'm quite critical of the game in general. It's a sad story. But by the time it's over you've basically single-handedly slaughtered half of Kirkwall. No random street thug ever thinks "Hey! (s)he's the champion, I guess I better not mess with them!"
And after you completely annihilate the first wave, at least a dozen ore pop out of every place and don't even give a second though to how you just ripped their friends a new one in two seconds flat. AND THIS HAPPENS OVER AND OVER. YOU KILL SO MANY PEOPLE. There is probably more blood on Hawke's hands than ANY demon in Kirkwall.
I realize gameplay and story are generally meant to be kept separate, but when you craft such a compelling story, it's hard to ignore the disjointedness of it all, especially for someone like me, who finds interactive design theory so fascinating.
Also, reused maps are stupid. I think I have at least twice as many gripes with the game as I have good points. At least, in this case, what is good is REALLY good and outweighs the bad.
In the end though, Hawke is not as cool as Commander Shepard, even though (s)he has a "Snark mode".
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Chrishankhah In reply to Croxot [2011-07-09 04:54:47 +0000 UTC]
I find it odd that you brought Merrill along as a healer -- I'm fairly certain she can't heal. It IS possible to get through Merrill in the end, but you have to rival her. That's the whole point of rivalry and friendship. You either support someone, or you disagree with them but they still respect you. If you didn't achieve better in your gameplay, that's your Hawke's fault as much as it is Merrill's.
I didn't have to kill her group, because I took responsibility on myself for her. Grace has some benefits.
Yeah, I'm sure Isabela was made for the eye candy. But I can't hate her. She did make me laugh. I had a lot of respect for her when she came back, after leaving. I think for someone with Isabela's mindset, that takes an incredible amount of courage and love. I admire that Hawke was able to rub something of virtue off on her -- it shows that she does have hope.
Fenris, I maxed on friendship because I left him out of mage-related quests and I sympathised with him about being a former slave.
Anders -- In life, some people just come across as whiny. Perhaps I'm less judgmental of these things, but I didn't see it as whining. It seems these days, if anyone has a conviction, a passion, they're accused of whining. Do you know how much crap we get as Christians, being "whiny" about this-and-that salvation, sanctity, and the like? It's all whining to the ears until you're faced with the conviction, yourself. Personally, I would never call an ex-slave, or a concentration camp survivor, or anyone else in such a category whiny if their conviction (quite understandably) shaped their disposition and their life. The accusation of "Whining" then, becomes an excuse we use to be unsympathetic and indifferent toward the hurting.
Remember that Meredith was off before she had the Artifact. The artifact only took the resentment that was in her and amplified it. When she was a child, however, her family refused to put her sister into a circle and her sister became an abomination, slaying the family. I feel sorry for Meredith, but she allows one personal experience to shape the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands.
And Orsino was desperate, and driven mad. I don't know his history but I can imagine what the circles are like. It is not natural for people to do sane things in the midst of peril and war. It is when they ought to, most, but it is when they least do such things.
DA may be a fiction and a story, but remember that the flaws you hate in the characters are flaws that people in reality have, also -- you and I included. The way I tend to see characters in fiction is shaped by the way I allow myself to see people in reality -- sinners in need of grace. (Now I don't know if "original sin" is anywhere in the DA chantry theology, but...) If you approach the story with a little humility (and don't play your Hawke as such a jerk) you may see that there are redeeming qualities about the characters.
Yeah, the map reusage was annoying, but it didn't really bug me. I got past it well enough because I liked the story.
I will probably never play ME. Modern/futuristic games aren't my appeal, I'm strictly a fantasy lover.
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Croxot In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-09 17:21:14 +0000 UTC]
But... but.. I get friendship points with Varric for being a jerk.
I suppose it's hard for me to get over the fact that although I can sealessly melt through hordes of Badguys/Darkspawn/Demons, I can't change the course of the story from what bioware has written.
By the time act 3 is coming to a close I've pretty much broken the game's mechanics in my favor by abusing the Greatsword-Reaver combination, and making normal difficulty seem like some kind of super-easy mode.
I completely understand all the character's motivations for who they are. On the other hand, this is a fantasy world, albeit and unrelentingly dark one. There are parallels to the real world of course, being that Andraste is basically a female version of Jesus. I will Admit I didn't explore the characters as much as I would have liked. I was actually able to bring Varric, Merrill and Aveline to full friendship, and bring Isabela most of the way there, but since I didn't have much of a reason to keep Anders or Fenris In my party, I never got them to full rivalry. Heck, I was even surprised Fenris sided with me in the end.
I guess, for me, the amount of tragedy surrounding your party is almost too much. The real world has tragedy, and characters are given a lot of depth by adding a flaw or a tragedy. But I guess Fenris and Anders just felt TOO tragic to me. They seemed almost specifically designed for you to feel sorry for them (Anders especially, considering if you wanted to, you'd still be able to forgive him in the end. Heck, I disliked his character, but I couldn't even bring myself to kill him, just send him away). But I DO understand why people would like him. The main dealbreaker for me on actually liking him is simply remembering that this is fiction. I can't intervene in his struggles anymore than bioware wants me too, so I simply didn't care.
So much in this game is doomed from the beginning. And that's great for an effective tragedy story. But from a player perspective, you want to be able to feel like a hero. And Bioware did include some genuine moments designed to make the player feel heroic, the most notable example being the duel with the Arishok. But when no matter how hard you try, no matter how great you're doing, and everything still falls apart-- You don't feel very heroic. You feel like you just wasted a bunch of time. If Dragon Age 2 was a book, it would be flippin' amazing. But It's a game, and I play games to escape the depressing nature of the real world. I'm not asking for a "happy skipping sunshine double-rainbow" ending, I just want to feel like I made more of a difference, especially in a game that IS about choices and making differences.
And again, it comes down to the split between story and gameplay. Sure, the gameplay is fun, but no matter how well you do in executing that gameplay, it doesn't effect the story. I think that's the next step for games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Mass Effect 2 actually did have a good connection between gameplay and story at the final mission, where the decisions you made decided who on your crew lived or died at every turn, and you COULD save them all. But that's not the kind of story DA wants to be able to tell, and that kinda kills the heroic moments you could have.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Croxot [2011-07-09 20:41:40 +0000 UTC]
Try a harder difficulty. You'll start cutting down your allies as a 2h/reaver. I happened to do the same thing. Easy on normal/casual mode, sucks when you have other tanks near by on harder modes.
Some characters can be pretty aggressive with you if you are unkind to them. (Fenris probably least of all, he seems to just expect it -- which is probably why he didn't get on your nerves.) Isabela will be snarky, Merrill defensive, Anders out right "glowy." ... Which is actually pretty normal for people. (Well, besides the glowy part.) I don't take well to people confronting me IRL, either. lol
True, it's a fantasy world. But that opens up another can of worms -- we go to fantasy worlds to pretend, to be some of the things we can't get away with IRL. I'm not saying that everything we make Hawke do is something we'd actually like to do, but be careful that looking at fictional characters contemptuously isn't a reflection of how you'd like to look at real people with these flaws, but don't because you know it would be wrong.
For gameplay reasons alone, I loved having Anders along as a healer.
True, it's largely a tragedy. I don't mind that, though. Not enough stories do that.
Me? Personally? I felt like a hero. A bit of an anti-hero, but a hero. I defied the templars, forgave a man largely thought of as a terrorist because he blew up the chantry, and what more, my character ran off with him and sparked a rebellion of circles everywhere. It was kind of Bonnie/Clyde-ish, but with a righteous cause. I kind of feel sorry for male games (...well, the straight ones, anyway,) because I honestly feel the story couldn't have gone a better way. In spite of all of the tragedy, I actually accomplished what I set out to do -- in epic proportions.
You have a point, about a gameplay/story correlation. Of course, most of us would just reload the game until we could achieve our intended goal, anyway. I didn't mind the easier gameplay. I like that I can actually take this game and recommend it to friends who, themselves, are casual gamers -- the game literally has a 'casual' mode. The harder modes are much more challenging. Sure, that's still not "you didn't succeed well enough, you failed this quest," but it's at least a challenge.
Remember, too, that DA has already come far from its initial direction. At first, it appealed to RPGers -- people who used to play games with loads of decisions and almost no combat. DA's combat was sped up and redesigned and some old Origins fans hated it for that. I'm not sure the full grip of the difference because I have yet to play Origins, of course. As a story, though, DA2 told it very well -- and the only way to enjoy it is to really pay attention to what is going on. I'm learning so much more because now I'm reading all of those little pieces of paper I kind of skipped past the first time.
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Valky24 [2011-07-08 20:39:06 +0000 UTC]
SWEET~!! I love your character with... the incredibly long and difficult to pronounce name. I love the long hair! Why couldn't we have longER hair options in the console versions :*(
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Chrishankhah In reply to Valky24 [2011-07-08 21:02:10 +0000 UTC]
lol! "Krish-ank'-uh" It's surprisingly phonetic And thank you!
Is there longer hair in the PC versions? Or only via modding?
I used to think video game designers had a vendetta against women with long hair, before I tried my own modding and realized the real problem. The problem with long hair in games is that it clips with things like cloaks and armor. For some reason, they haven't really overcome that in 3D meshing/animation, yet. Hair itself is hard to animate, and I guess designers just would rather not bother.
But at least I can pretend!
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Elywen [2011-07-08 07:28:06 +0000 UTC]
Oh my goodness this is lovely!!!
I personally loved Anders romance, but I know his romance is split in have on people who loved it and hated it.
again WOW!!!
Also she is so beautiful!!!
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 08:00:58 +0000 UTC]
I think that Anders in general is a love or hate character. I've never met a single person who felt neutrally about him. (I guess you really can't, huh?) Sure,there are people who are torn about him, but it usually takes conflicting, polar views to be torn. Neutral? Not possible. Naturally, I fall on the love side of the scale, lol.
I think the Anders-romance, by far, makes the story all the more interesting. Being faced with the decision to execute a friend (or "essential party healer") is, you know, it sucks. But having him commit his heart to you ... how could you ever stab it? I remember loading a save game just to see what would happen, and I think i nearly bawled my eyes out!
"For what it's worth, I'm glad it's you. It was nice to be happy... for a while."
*Reloads game*
Also, thank you so much! My Hawke is based on a character I've had for years. (Hence my cheating with the long hair that Hawkes don't normally get. )
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 08:31:37 +0000 UTC]
He is a character that pulled some strong emotions from people.
LOL I pretty much did the same thing with Anders at the end. I killed him to see what it was like, cried for a few minutes then reloaded, and got my happy lets run away together ending. I also felt for what he was trying to do. He wasn't doing just to be spiteful, he had reason behind it.
His romance does make the story more interesting. In fact Anders himself makes the romance interesting with his intense emotions. Which I am trying to convay in fanfic, actually just his overall strong emotions and his conviction to something once he puts his mind to it.
Of course I also feel for Justice, as he was my second favorite character in Awakenings. Poor spirit just needs a hug.
I wish there was long hair like that in game, I would have snagged it for my canon Hawke Thera. *is sad panda now*
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 08:56:35 +0000 UTC]
I used to think that all game makers had a thing against long hair, until I experimented with modding for the game oblivion. Then I found out the real reason -- long hair gives severe clipping issues. That is, it's just not possible to have long hair work with most armor designs, or really, anything involving motion. Hopefully technology will eventually change this.
RE: Killing him, I know! Right? The look in his eyes... I don't know how they did so well, conveying that. I just felt like everything about the character was done well. The voice acting, too. (Ever have Hawke die in combat while in a romance with Anders? His line is so sweet!!)
I love the whole idea of them going off and freeing the mages. From a gameplay aspect, it irked me that Anders wasn't showing up in my house in the post-campaign. It also worried me ("where'd he go!") -- but then when I went to the black emporium with him and came back, he showed up. Kept standing by the door, though. It weirds me out when people stand by the door. XD
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 09:23:24 +0000 UTC]
Oh sweet oblivion mods how I love you soo. Yeah sadly long hair in games is still bad news, which sucks.
Omg yes! When he was like "No please!" I melted into jelly. <3 He honestly has the most intense combat death dialogue in the entire game. Fenris like commands you not to die lol.
I also found if you rival him and get him to side with the Templars he basically commits suicide in the end. He tells you he can't live past this because Justice is to pissed and wants to assume direct control. And if you romance him you don't get the "we all left the champion, well except anders." which leading people to the suicide conclusion. I about cried when I heard that! Of course I no interest in rivalmancing him.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 09:37:17 +0000 UTC]
I can't rivalmance Anders because i have a hard time rivaling him in the first place. XD
I had no idea that Varric leaves his name out in a rivalmance. I think it's very evident that he is considering suicide, I agree. The love of his life is making him side with everything he has ever hated. And he said he was going to break Hawke's heart? Pah!
I wonder if he is available in the post-campaign in that instance? My goodness, what if he's not?? D:
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 09:43:09 +0000 UTC]
It only happens if you force him to side with the Templars other then that he lives. He appears in the new DLC trailer, I don't know if it takes place post game or not. [link]
I don't like rivalmance, because of how abusive Hawke seems to Anders. I mean he already beats himself down enough he doesn't need help, what he needs is someone there to support him and allow him to feel human.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 09:59:15 +0000 UTC]
Ok. One thing immediately occurred to me -- he's not wearing his black coat. So I'm guessing that this DLC either takes place before the final battle, or can take place at any time (including post campaign.)
The only time he seems to change out of black is if you side with the templars and fight him. (Is this a glitch? Or did Anders seriously take time between being released and defending the mages to change his clothes? lol)
On another note, it's about time that Anders shows up in a trailer. Every previous trailer seems to be missing him! lol.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 09:54:32 +0000 UTC]
My Hawke is too, nice. She literally got EVERYONE's approval. Even Fenris. It's interesting because Fenris annoyed me a little about how he was so resolute in how mages mistreated him, but in turn felt like THEY should practically be made slaves. So when he chose to side with me against the Templars in spite of that, I gained a little more respect for him.
Anyways... The new DLC has a trailer?? *blank* *spam clicks*
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 09:57:53 +0000 UTC]
If you rival Fenris, he sort of gets over his "Mages ruin everything" He admits to being blinded by hate because of his life.
LOL It wouldn't load fast enough for me.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 10:06:52 +0000 UTC]
Good on Fenris. I'm going to have to Rivalmance him on one of my spare characters I made, just to see that (I like having fun with the editor. )
Ok. Wait. What.
In the trailer at 0:48 - 0:49. Gray Warden girl, short hair, I'm thinking...Bethany, right?
WHY is she glowing like Justice?? Maybe that's just a spell I haven't used with her. It's not possible that she's taken in a spirit, too? Is it?
Speaking of which, I just remembered that one of the achievements is to do the quest with the Legacy DLC using either Bethany or Carver -- so either it's post-campaign or they return to your side for the quest, for a little while. Anders = no black coat, but Bethany = usable... My brain is all twisted now! ><
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 10:12:32 +0000 UTC]
They are really trying to keep it under wraps until release.
LOL Anders didn't want to wear his Batman robe to fight you.
I don't think it is Bethany, but I could be wrong, because Hawke in the trailer is a mage so I would think it would be Carver with him then, assuming sibling didn't die in the Deep Roads.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 10:15:03 +0000 UTC]
Nevermind, you're right -- That's the warden lady. I just didn't realize it at first.
Still, it looks like someone else has a spirit in them! That will be interesting.
And... "Anders didn't want to wear his Batman robe to fight you." -- ROFL! You win. That's classic XD
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 10:16:59 +0000 UTC]
I relate Anders character in DA 2 to Batman or Punisher, as he seems to mimic their type of hero. They bloody thier hands so others won't have too, they become the enemy, to make sure others can be safe. It's rather romantic.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 10:40:59 +0000 UTC]
Exactly! It's the very embodiment of absolute grace. I thought the very thing about Anders.
And it's about as selfless as you can get, and I have no end of admiration for that trait. It's one thing to die for someone, that is often considered the greatest heroic deed. But, I think the one who takes all of the guilt and the blame and the sin that either are or will soon be attributed to others, and accounts it to himself, that goes a step beyond.
Part of me craves to know whether DA III will allude to any of this. Part of me dreads to think of how they might.
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 20:23:19 +0000 UTC]
The only thing with DA III that will have me seeing red, is if they make my choice to let him live, mostly if I run away with him, and they find some reason for him to be dead anyhow. I will be fuming, like smoke coming out of my ears. I don't like when choices with LI's end up not mattering.
Mostly overall if you let him live. I don't like when choices I made in the previous game don't matter.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 21:07:14 +0000 UTC]
That is my fear, too. Unfortunately, RPGs can't have story lines that deviate too much -- so to keep his romance to Hawke applicable, he'd either have to not play a very big part (cameo or something,) or something would have had to happen.
Then again, Anders has come back to life before, hasn't he? ... I want to be able to import my previous save, and at very least, meet my Hawke and Anders side by side. They could even import her customization. That would be perfect!
I agree with you, about how it really sucks when previous choices don't matter: that seemed to happen with the last game, because one of the NPCs I met in DA2 mentioned being with the Warden and parting ways (Not exactly sure how, I didn't have a game to import. Is there a default romance in the story line? lol)
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-08 21:29:45 +0000 UTC]
Depending on the default save you used yes, I think so.
There is a lot of bugs still with Imports with the game, it is rather annoying. Like my Cousland save is bugged and the Nathaniel quest doesn't trigger.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-11 08:39:34 +0000 UTC]
So...
I later learned that there's an armor in the game I like better than this one, and am debating whether I should have drawn that instead.
Fortunately, I didn't. It's the templar armor. (I draw this character in long skirts a *lot*! It fits her!) ... I think if Hawke started wearing that, though, Anders would waste all his healing on her after accidentally striking her down in combat. XD
The only excuse I can think of to put her in such a thing is as a sort of, secret spy.
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-11 21:31:24 +0000 UTC]
LOL my Hawke, Thera, was a Templar. I wore the armor in game ^_^. In my fic she is an actual ex-Templar, she sort of gives Anders a look into what it is really like to be a Templar, and that the Chantry keeps their leash short as well, and she is extremely addicted to lyrium.
I even had a commission done for the two not to long ago! ^_^ and Thera is in her old Templar uniform! [link]
Also another excuse is the Roleplay idea's Anders was mentioning one Aveline ROFL...oh that banter still makes me laugh till I am in tears.
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-11 21:33:21 +0000 UTC]
So this was for you! I was wondering about that picture, I really really liked it.
The ex-templar thing is a really nice idea.
I REMEMBER that banter with Aveline. Makes me wonder.... Oh, but I shouldn't wonder such things.
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Elywen In reply to Chrishankhah [2011-07-11 21:35:55 +0000 UTC]
It give her depth I think, and opens up another side we don't really see in game.
LOL all I could think of is "know from experience there Anders?"
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Chrishankhah In reply to Elywen [2011-07-08 21:36:11 +0000 UTC]
That's definitely annoying. I'm glad Dragon Age 2 can be patched. Used to be that if a game was glitched, it was just glitched and that was that!
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