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ChuddmasterZero In reply to DoomMarine58 [2014-06-14 05:52:23 +0000 UTC]

this is the outfit I was referring to:

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In terms of 'ogling her cleavage' well that's your opinion.  The 'boob window' also happens to be one of the iconic and unique aspects of her design that makes Powergirl instantly recognisable and differentiates her, as well as lending a degree of levity to the character. Besides, I think being too literal or pedantic about the physics and practicality of superhero costume designs is kind of a slippery slope of argument.  
Clearly I'm not all about more skin - hence why I gave her pants and not just a skimpy leotard.  In terms of what is wrong with the new outift, well aside from some subjective aesthetic points that I think are just clumsy and inelegant, I think it's too much of a departure from what makes the character who she is.  

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DoomMarine58 In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2014-06-15 14:30:50 +0000 UTC]

I fail to see how the outfit that shows less skin is more skimpy then her stupid 'classic' out. Which was as generic as they come a leotard with a cap gloves and boots. Atleast her super suit has it's own emblem and you know, doesn't shamelessly exploit her. He classic outfit is not unique, it's not iconic. And if her iconography comes down to her tits then she has failed as a character.  It doesn't do any of the stuff you said, it makes her look like some dumb bimbo that wants attention. Also there is no argument here in regards to the impracticability of the boob window. As soon as she took off the air would rush into the boob window and inflate it making her look stupid. But no physics don't work here because then nerds won't get to see tits and fap to them. Stop trying to sound like ou have any legitimate claims here, you just sound like all those other people who bitched about her new outfit because it was less sexualized. The only proof I need is this picture you drew. Your main problem with the suit is the exclusion of the boob window. As shown in the picture you gave her pants but kept the window because that's what bothers you most about the new outfit. The lack of cleavage. Care to list any of the "aesthetic problems" with the new suit? It's pretty practical unlike your drawing which i've already explained why the boob window is impractical.

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shardinhand In reply to DoomMarine58 [2018-06-06 13:23:00 +0000 UTC]

theres more wrong with your comment here then i have the patients to explain so ill just say that sexuality is power girls to own its not harming her in anyway... of course your welcome to disagree and ill happily ignore you as for iconic characters being changed to suit some agenda... fuck that... again you are perfectly welcome to disagree... and finally... in terms of realism the material is clearly shown to be unlike anything we currently have or know of as it can take building breaking attacks... so regular aspects and limitations for fabric don't really apply unless you can tell me what its made of and its properties... and... if you can... it still doesn't matter realism is not the main concern in comics clearly.... otherwise these characters wouldn't hide there faces with fuckin glasses... now I'm sure iv graced you with more wisdom then you deserve as i expect plenty of autistic ranting on how wrong i am but really... i won't be listening have a nice day... and... ;3 your fap.

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to DoomMarine58 [2014-06-17 14:45:13 +0000 UTC]

Ironically it's because I like Powergirl that I decided to put quite a lot of time and effort into drawing her, not because I see her as just a sexualised female super-hero, but as one with character, humour, and an interesting history.  I'm sorry we don't agree on the - albeit highly subjective - aspects of her design.  I believe I already stated that my issues with the new costume were, "subjective aesthetic points" which I don't believe constitute a 'valid argument', simply my opinion, and as such, don't warrant fruitless debate or discussion.   I'm sorry that my sincere efforts to depict a hero has upset you; perhaps you could submit a drawing of your own to show me where I went wrong.
Incidentally your opening statement leaves me puzzled, as you seem to have described the exact opposite of what I said with regard to "skimpy", however that may be simply a result of your degree of deftness with the written word.  On the subject of which, among your manifold grammatical misadventures, you misspelt "than" as "then".  Just trying to help.

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shardinhand In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2018-06-06 13:25:56 +0000 UTC]

^_^ * a fine piece stoic and strong.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2014-06-22 02:31:22 +0000 UTC]

Powergirl pre-new 52
Character: Boobs
History: From another dimensions like many other DC superheroes. 

You can keep making excuses but it's pretty obvious just from this picture that you don't like the new 52 outfit because it doesn't have the stupid, impractical boob window. Since that's the only aspect you kept from the original. You have no argument to back up your opinion without making yourself look like a pig so instead you resort to this lame passive-aggressive insults. Also pointing out grammar errors to make yourself feel smart. Feel free to block this and remove my comments, it's pretty obvious who won this argument.

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to DoomMarine58 [2014-06-27 08:32:41 +0000 UTC]

Calling me a "pig" seems totally unwarranted and rude.  Nor does it engender you with any air of rhetorical sophistication.  Please note that at no point did I insult you personally.  If you feel my art has no merit, then you are free to ignore it, and it seems like very spiteful behaviour to continue to post aggressive messages here.  I wasn't being passive-aggressive, I was being condescending; there is a significant difference.  I have no desire to block or remove your comments as I believe in free expression, and am happy for others to read your comments and draw their own conclusions about you. If it makes you feel better to announce that you "won" an exchange over what I believe is an essentially subjective and opinion-based issue (which I did point out) then I happily concede.  You are indeed a polemical champion. 

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DoomMarine58 In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2014-07-04 01:14:45 +0000 UTC]

I called you a pig because your upset that you can't see cleavage and think it is an issue worth complaining about. Using phrases like "engender you with any air of rhetorical sophistication" does not engender you with any air of rhetorical sophistication. I can use purple prose too it's not hard. What you fail to realize is that they don't make you sound smart. Oh so you're a condescending dick? Yeah that's much better. 

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to DoomMarine58 [2014-07-07 02:16:37 +0000 UTC]

Actually, by definition it DOES make my rhetoric more sophisticated.  Using crafted, thoughtful and effective language is precisely the goal of useful rhetoric, unless you don't know what "rhetorical" means?  Congratulations by the way on using the classic "I'm not but you are" retort, Bertrand Russell himself would be proud of you.  Now, another lesson for you: it's not "purple prose" when one is simply being articulate or expressive, that term is more accurate when one is being excessively verbose. However I do understand how someone who wields insults like "pig" and "dick" with such abandon might not see the subtle distinction.  Finally, I'm not remotely interested in sounding smart, I just like to use language well when the opportunity presents itself.
PS: when you said "...your upset that you..."  it should have been "...you're upset..." with an apostrophe, as in that context it is a contraction of "you are".  Keep trying, you'll get there  

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2014-07-09 23:22:35 +0000 UTC]

When did I say you were "trying too hard "? (you left out an "o" in "too" by the way).  My comments on your effort were with regard to errors in your spelling and punctuation - not necessarily your choice of words, although I'll be honest, "pig" is not my favourite. As I explained, your use of "purple prose" seems inappropriate to describe what I believe is simply clear, expressive language, as opposed to excessively verbose sophistry, which I don't believe I was indulging in.  I understand though, that kids on the internet today love a catch-phrase or buzz-word, and "purple prose" seems to fit into this sort of simplistic terminology.   I fail to see any hypocrisy as I only defended my own language style, I didn't attack others - or you - for using similar language.  Ironically it would be my pleasure to find your musings coloured with a touch more nuance, and a little less venom.  Also, to save you any further confusion and embarrassment, "debate" is a formally held discussion either affirming or denying a given statement; "argument" is a less structured clash of opinions.  They are often conflated because most people are too lazy to learn the distinction.  I consider this exchange to be neither, as I have already stated a few times, that ultimately any preference one might have with regard to costume design is subjective (there I said it yet again) and subjective ideas have no place in debate or argument.  If I have a point to make - or indeed to repeat - it is this, so please pay attention:  My drawing was expressing my personal view on the design of this character.  You are welcome to your opinion, but, subjective as it is, this is not a 'right' or 'wrong' issue.  Therefore please refrain from further hostility as it is utterly pointless.  If you enjoy attacking and insulting people for putting in effort and submitting artwork - which you seem not to do yourself - then please do it elsewhere. I assume you will not be able to resist the urge to have the 'last word' so go ahead, make your last comment and that will be the end of it.

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DoomMarine58 In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2014-07-09 13:44:19 +0000 UTC]

Oh so when YOU use purple prose it's acceptable but when other people do it it just means they're trying to hard. Right, hypocrite. So do you actually have a point to make or are you just going to keep pretending your smart but using flowery speech patterns and talking down to me? Because if so, you must have failed debate class since that's not how you win an argument, pig.

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to Narked [2013-11-12 07:05:37 +0000 UTC]

Thanks - I appreciate you noticing the emblem.  I agree that she deserves a decent logo to represent her - she's more than just a boob window! 

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Narked In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2013-11-13 17:24:21 +0000 UTC]

Truth!  Back when she appeared in the mid-70's  DC editors closed her cleavage window because of parents complaints,  but they brought it back(Wally Wood's genious will not be denied!)The late Star-Spangled Kid made an emblem for her but she hated it,  looked to much like the original Superman's chest triangle! 

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to svettzwo [2013-10-28 01:38:02 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.  You raise a good point.  Loose-fitting clothes would have to be the choice to avoid looking conspicuous I guess.  Track pants maybe..?

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svettzwo In reply to ChuddmasterZero [2013-10-30 14:09:49 +0000 UTC]

Doesn't Superman have the same problem?  In most of the animated adventures he is as big as an ox.  If Clark Kent has the same outline, and has to get through normal sized doors sideways, won't people guess the secret identity thing?  To fully enjoy this stuff you have to overlook a lot of logic holes.

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to MightyMelinda [2013-10-27 12:59:48 +0000 UTC]

Thanks very much Melinda - I appreciate the comments!

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ChuddmasterZero In reply to thebbs [2013-10-27 13:00:00 +0000 UTC]

thanks!

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