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Yeah but I don't know how to...
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I mean go to the original format.
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To everyone who is mad about not being able to fully customize your profile - get a webiste, seriously.Β
This site is an art gallery, yes - but if you want that much customization then just go to wix or something.
Look at other social media sites, do they give you that freedom? Most likely no, the majority don't.
I love HTML/CSS, but I have full understanding of why they won't support it. Besides, if you are using deviantArt
as your art portfolio and want it to look nice because of that, then you are missing out on having a website
which is way more professional and serious. If you are just here for fun and community, then does it really matter
that much how your page looks? Does it really affect your usage of the site to have "lazy" customization?
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DA really likes having customization haha, but customization on a site with so many users is difficult to support, Im personally just glad to see that DA is trying to keep old features like stamps and page dolls, while also still allowing customization in some way, shape, or form.
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dA for many people is a step to start learning HTML and CSS, which really is a beautiful thing. Some people start with free tutorials and copy/paste codes on this site and move on to make their own codes and shit.Β
As a website for ARTISTS, HTML and CSS is an artform.Β
Its really fucking pathetic ya'll came to this decision.Β
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ok, just cause you're unhappy with a decision doesnt mean you need to cuss at the people who made it. Find another site to use HTML if its so important, cause supporting custom HTML for over 26 million users isnt an easy task.
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Free speech my dude, I can say whatever the fuck I want. I am a paying customer more than the average person on this site, I pay for multiple account cores every month along with group super cores. Customer opinions matter, especially on an extreme change like this.
It isn't easy, but it sure the hell is capable of being done! And when people pay for specific services, you don't stop offering them simply because some of the dev team give stupid fucking reasons like "its not fair that people who dont know html can't make their profile pretty". I'm sorry, what? Its 2019. You can actively find any information you need right on this SITE!
Also its not entirely custom, since dA has always had their own version of markup. Certain things are allowed, certain things aren't. Its always been that way.
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As someone who buys super groups every year literally only for the customization with CSS on the front page, you have lost me as a customer.
As someone who buys core for the customization for my front page with CSS, you've lost me as a customer.
As someone who buys core memberships for my group admin accounts to do more than regular members, you've lost me as a customer.
I have paid many people in the past to customize my group and personal pages with real money, you are taking away their livelihoods. It is the circle of life, if you can't do it, find someone who can and pay them with something (art, whatever it may be). These people who used to make money off of this site (who in turn would give it back to you as core members) will be leaving this site too.
Large RPG groups that used to centralize around you are moving off this site because of Eclipse and the changes like these that you are making.
This current site was a step forward from the last, Eclipse is a giant step back in dA history.
I fear that if you go through with this, dA won't live to see its 20th birthday. Another competitor will come by and swoop up all your customers. Honestly, I'd be happy at this point if they did.Β
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Give it back please. This isn't what the community wants... Not at all....
For people that didn't understand it, we could discover new artists and learn from free codes given from people within our community.
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What about a widget that permits HTML/CSS (that can be repeated)? Within the confines of the overall site, like with the Journals?
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I honestly like the sound of that! Although its tough to support custom HTML on every page with so many users on a site, so Im not sure if its realistic or not, but its a really good idea! ^^
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One custom box you said. One. Really, only one.
That's what I pay for?
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Ok, good! Thanks for answering.
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Also don't forget to ban all the pro artists, animators, designers etc, so beginners who don't have time to learn won't be upset.
/sΒ
"It's NOT fair for a community of artists, that requiring a technical skill allows them to make art, animation, designΒ look better that artists without these skillsΒ -- or without the time to learn."
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I still have no idea how to code BUT
i have a colorfull page i want to keep ( what i cant in eclipse)
and i did it with all the free to use codes and tutotials. There is no reasons to remove this.
I tryed to make atleast this one custom box i have in eclipse work and its a mess. nothing worked at all.
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HTML isnt even coding and there are free classes and resources to learn it. Markup is so FUCKING EASY to learn, even a dumbass like me could understand/
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This and my high school had a few classes on coding
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There are so many tutorials for coding and even a lot of free codes. You can learn it really easily. Why remove the only good thing about dA. >.>
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there were literally FREE to use COPY PASTE codes out there that even NEWCOMERS AND NON-PC-GEEKS could figure out??? Your reasoning is absolutely bollocks.
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Wellp have fun with your site then! it's gonna be dead as shit because of your stupid excuses as soon as this happens xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxΒ
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You could've easily implemented premade stuff alongside the option to use HTML. But you didn't, and I'm really not sure why.Β
I joined dA without any experience in coding whatsoever. However, I LEARNED and had fun learning how to code, and that was because of deviantART! You allowed that to happen, and literally thousands of other people feel the same way. I'm not sure why you're making this decision when you have all the more reason to implement it - to create learning experiences for people. You know, I'm willing to bet DeviantART allowed people to pursue careers in Comp Sci because of your choice to allow HTML.Β
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Yes I had no skills either in the early years around v7, and I got so intrigued by CSS my journals and skins then I went on to work on one of the Linux blueprint teams, and I will miss the fun of being able to on occasion build my own journal theme.but being so I haven't done this in quite some time it's not like I'm losing any sleep over it. I just hope, reasonably creative templates will still be available
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Very dissapointed indeed. One of the very reasons we have core is this. I think the new owners want to eclipse deviantart and kill it to reemplace with wix.
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This answer not only disappoints but kinda kills the hope DA ever improving Eclipse - as you repeatedly promise us.
"Not everyone knows HTML and CSS" - artists do. HTML and CSS isn't coding - ask any coder. It's DESIGN - the very thing lacking in the Eclipse. There's nothing "technical" about HTML/CSS, it's basic knowledge that almost everyone is using, even non-web-based applications use it for their UI. It's not more technical than markdown or even using BB codes - basically rich text for web. Are you going to disable BB codes as well?
If your new WordPress developers don't know how to implement something then hire some real WEB-developers who actually know thing or two about actual developing.
"and they shouldn't have to to create a beautiful profile" - so everyone has to have ugly profile, is that it? If there are people who don't know how to draw or paint, are you going to ban drawings or paintings? Even photography requires "technical skills" that not everyone have. Are you going to ban photography next?
These excuses that you have brought forward only hints like you'd expect everyone to adjust themselves to your conformity. I thought that DA was about liberty, creativity, progress and everything the very opposite of backwardness, narrow-mindedness and conformity. Which do you want to be? Do you want to go forward or backward? Do you want to improve Eclipse or do you want to make it worse than the old site was?
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Sorry, but this is REALLY stupid reasoning for removing HTML & CSS lmao. I don't use it on my profile, I don't care about it, and it doesn't bother me in the SLIGHTEST that other people have more ""beautiful"" profiles than me. Don't take away something that's so important to so many people (and is the ONLY THING making them buy core, in case you guys missed that??? I mean, TONS of people have said it, so I'm not sure HOW you missed that??) just because "not everyone has this technical skill." Like I said, I don't give a crap (and if I ever did I'd just go and learn how to do it!), but I certainly think other people should be allowed to pretty up their profiles with it if they choose to!
What reason would people have to pay for this site anymore if you take away the one thing that made them willing to pay for it?
I know you're supposedly working on adding more customization options to eclipse, but I seriously doubt it's going to give people as much freedom as they'd like.
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Artist always grow and learn and there are amazing people who and I say make deviations and display how to use a code, people made journals whit these codes that you just copy paste and add what THEY want , jesus christ, other sites use similar codes and some codes are the fucking basics
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why don't u host a site poll and force every single member to participate
if they don't reply to the poll in seven days, remove their poll notification
it's literally that simple lmfao
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Pfff, you guys don't care, or listen or give a shit about anyone. You think you do, but you don't. You devs are probably the most USELESS devs I have EVER seen.Β
I had no clue how to make my custom page and guess what, I spent 20 minutes looking up tutorials and built something simple yet effective to get the point across. Yet you want to tailor the page to the lazy people who can't spend a few minutes out of their day to maybe actually do some work?
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I do not really mind as much if CSS is no longer a thing here, just so long as we can still have a way to customize our profiles with the same amount of creativity and freedom as we are allowed now.
I actually went out and learned a lot of things about CSS for the very reason of being able to customize my profile, and I did not exactly have a lot of time. But I used tutorials other Deviants made, and learned a little at a time and spent time fixing issues when they arose.Β
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Just chiming in my 2 cents.
You know if you really want to make profile customization more accessible and stop people from hijacking the site, while also making people quit freaking out at you, there is actually a simple solution. Just set up Eclipse profiles to do the things that HTML/CSS profiles do? There are only 4 main things I see people using the HTML/CSS codes to do on their profiles. So if you made these things actual "settings" in Deviantart Eclipse, it would make it accessible to everyone while still allowing people to create the kind of profiles they will be loosing with Eclipse.
The four things are as follows:
1. Custom backgrounds on ALL WIDGETS
The number one thing people use HTML/CSS for on DA (other than journals) is to set custom backgrounds on ALL their widgets (not just the custom boxes). So having the ability to set custom backgrounds on widgets in the widget settings, would go a long way toward making people happy with Eclipse.
2. Customized Deviant ID
If people have core I hardly ever see them using the real ID widget. Most have a custom box that they use as an ID and there are two main reasons for this. Number one goes back to my first comment, to have a custom background on the widget. And the second is to show who they are as an artist thru a short bio, featured deviations, stamp collection, page dolls, and/or social media links. I know asking for this level of customization on the about page is probably out of the question. However allowing for a custom background to be added to the profile ID card thing would be a nice step toward making people happier here.
Also allowing more/custom social media slots. I have multiple social media I'd like to link on my profile, but the only one you have on the ID social media link section is Twitter 
3. The Ability to use text boxes
It's cool to be able to set custom backgrounds in custom boxes, but without the ability to create text boxes the text kinda just doesn't look that nice. So if you could include the ability to create text boxes or but a white background behind text in the custom box editor that would be great.
4. Custom Navigation
I don't personally have this one, but I see a ton of people using it. They set up a custom navigation that link to important pages, groups, journals, or else where. These are really great because sometimes an artist wants to make it easy for their visitors to find something. So for this one you just have to created a widget, where users could link to specific pages and it would generate clickable buttons for each link. Not sure how hard or easy that would be to implement, but it is a possible solution.
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does the eclipse allow me to use divs?? boxes?? etc?? nah, taking off HTML/CSS just because it's "hard" are really a big slaps for the ones that actually enjoy doing HTML/CSS
There are people that doesn't know how to code, but there are a LOT of futorials and templates so you can customize your profile. I had to learn the hard way, i didn't know any code but i learned and used templates thanks to DA.
Taking this off is really a disgrace for so many many users. And i'm sure 80%-70% of us here doesn't wanna this to be taken off (including me) i understand that DA is trying to advance and such, but if it's going to be this way i'm not sure if i could use DA anymore, and i'm sure i'm not the only one thinking this way. There are other artists that are taking/searching other artistic platforms simply because we cannot express ourselves anymore with eclipse. specially custom boxes wich people are paying for.
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You could just load the custom boxes into sandboxed iframes, which would limit the scope of their CSS, HTML, and any javascript, flash, etc. they might contain.
SANDBOXED being the keyword... you know, the thing you are SUPPOSED to be doing with your ADVERTISERS??? SANDBOXING THEM so they can't hijack the user/page LIKE THEY HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY...
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I'm gonna resume your whole comment in one sentence: "We are too lazy to do it so we will remove it"
When I joined da i didn't know a thing about coding, i've just heard it was hard and something no one would have liked to learn. When I got core for the first time I looked at tutorials to know how to make my page pretty and THEY WORKED! They helped me to make a pretty profile and one I would be happy with. Then I knew you could code small stuff without core, really small things and I am happy, even THUMBS helped!Β
When I made my graphic design career I was the ONLY ONE in my classroom that knew the BASICS of html/css thanks to deviantart customization and was able to help my colleagues to understand it better and that they didn't hate it at first hand, because i knew so far I LOVED CODING!Β
What you are telling me here is that your team is just too lazy to work on it when clearly YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE IT AN OPTION as other websites. Just like toyhouse did. No, you are limiting people to be creative when this site IS TO BE CREATIVE! You are destroying your own website. MOST people in here paid core for customization. Sure, you have other features with core, but customization is like the 90% of it all. Beautiful pages everywhere with different themes and many people expressing themselves when they can't in other websites. IS PART OF EVERYONE! Whether be with core or not! Buttons, pagedolls, journal skins, beautiful backgrounds (not plain colors or gradients), music, etc... name it!Β
IF you remove this forever. MANY people, including myself, would either move to other website or remove X artwork from their commissions because you guys are way too lazy and giving lame excuses to work with html/css in a better and efficient manner. Because I know so far, THERE ARE commissions like journal skins, pagedolls, personalized backgrounds, even services to customize a page if the client don't want to make the hardest part.Β
"We are removing because some don't know how to use it". WE DON'T BORN KNOWING STUFF ALREADY!Β
We LEARN to write
We LEARN to draw
We LEARN to speak
We LEARN to dance
We LEARN to do EVERYTHING IN THIS LIFE!
So WE CAN LEARN HOW TO CODE TOO! People decides! PLUS there are tutorials around deviantart to help peeps how to customize their profiles!! THERE ARE GROUPS that are completely about that!!Β
Seriously, I'm really upset because instead of giving us an option to use it with the new editor, you give the LAME and LAZY excuse of "because some doesn't know it". I'm calmed, but upset about this. I was happy when I saw "customization" in the top news of my notifications! Then this happened...
You'll lose money and people. Sure, new people comes and they will get used to the new place or whatever, just like a circle of life. But those that grew up on DA have been totally ignored in a horrible and blatantly way. So yes, I took your "solution" as lazy, mediocre, and totally a blatantly hit to us members.
I might get used to it, but not sure anymore. I'm happy for other features eclipse has, but customization removed in an ART AND CREATIVE WEBSITE is just too low from you.
PD: "We don't think it's fair for a community of artists, that requiring a technical skill allows them to make profiles look better that artists without these skills -- or without the time to learn."
Then NO ONE should be here in the eyes of you, because we learn stuff during our life. Even draw or write is an skill we learn, IF you think is not fair then NO ONE should be allowed to be here because YOU think is unfair.Β
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YES!!!! Absolutely true. You have a clear and understadable point.
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without html I don't see how can be that done...
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don't know why you reply to me.
What I meant is that if they remove HTML from comments, I don't think the script can work. After all the script inserted HTML code into the comments. You can write in HTML in all comments. The HTML mode is Control+E. I don't need that script to write with a line behind hello, bold, italic, all at the same time, superscript, underscript etc,
even lists:
- 1
- 2
But if they remove HTML those things won't be possible anymore. Even in descriptions. All my deviations use HTML.
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I think that removing HTML is wrong as I don't know anyΒ button box that does things perfectly the things that get easily done in code...
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I agree. And I think most of the glitches are browser expecific. The behaviour of dA can change dramatically depending of the browser and OS.
I don't think is a good solution. Nobody is complaining for having HTML and CSS... but many people will be very upset when they remove it... I have been always pro-dA, even when most people is leaving this. I even made +15k emotes for dA, this is the level of my commitment to dA... but when trying eclipse I couldn't use it... I have paid core membership over the years... and I am sad that when eclipse comes I will have to search for another site. It will be a really sad day for me.
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this isnt how you go about changes
just because "not everyone knows html/css" doesnt mean you have to flat out remove it
instead why not add two options, html AND something
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I don't personally use HTML/CSS myself, but even I'll say that this isn't the best route to be taking. Why single out a group of people who use it over those that don't? Sure, admittedly the newer method of customization might be easier and possibly more accessible for others like myself, but it's not really fair to those that have gone through the hard work of learning to code and enjoying their work through the customization features that HTML/CSS currently offer here on the site. It shouldn't break dA's bank to be able to include it as an option for those who still want to use it. And judging by the response this has gotten, there is still very much a large population that does.
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What is going to happen to Journal skins in both CSS and Html?
What about the custom boxes and all for groups?
I am sorry, but I just need to know that I'll be able to make my groups look nice and all.
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