tateetah In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 20:13:40 +0000 UTC]

This is nice feature! Too bad it's only for Premi.  

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Alexander-Musset In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 20:05:35 +0000 UTC]

please excuse my ignorance;
Does this mean that a member's activity on DA passes through Google whereas it didn't before. Or is it just DA giving access to info that DA was collecting from Google already?

Thanks.

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formatela In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-21 18:24:44 +0000 UTC]

DA have been using Google Analytics for some years to produce their own management stats, so gathering this data is not a new thing. What is new is that the functionality has been made available to premium members so that they can specify and view summary stats for their own DA page.

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Sun-Bliss In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-19 21:06:17 +0000 UTC]

Add a Tracker Blocker extension and you'll be fine.

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Alexander-Musset In reply to Sun-Bliss [2014-03-20 00:34:16 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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Lilyas In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-19 20:54:46 +0000 UTC]

Correct is that DA gives access to Google to collect activities from your account. But only when you activate it. That's why you have to enable it in your settings, create an Analytics account and put in your Analytics ID.

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formatela In reply to Lilyas [2014-03-21 18:28:18 +0000 UTC]

No, that's not correct. Google has been collecting DA data for years. DA has been using it to produce their own management stats. This is an extension of that usage. When you activate it, it flags up that you want a consolidation of your own page stats.

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Alexander-Musset In reply to Lilyas [2014-03-20 00:41:07 +0000 UTC]

So that means that I would only be getting data from other people that had activated it too?
And that would only be Premium members who have Analytics account?

Sorry, I don't know if my questions are stupid

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formatela In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-21 18:36:32 +0000 UTC]

No, that's not correct. If you activate it you will get data about everyone that visits your page, unless they use some external means to prevent Google from tracking their activity. Similarly if you visit someone else's page and they have it activated, your visit will be a part of their stats regardless of whether or not you have activated it. It's not too big a deal because the data, as far as I can tell, is anonymous summary data. It will count you as a visitor at a certain time and it will count you as a visitor of a particular gender at a certain time etc etc, but it will not say something as personal as 'Alexander-Musset visited your page and left a comment'.

Your question is not stupid. There seems to be a lot of confusion about what this GA thing is and how it works. I'm a little confused myself.

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Alexander-Musset In reply to formatela [2014-03-21 23:57:11 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, I think came to the same understanding after looking at it for a while.
I am not worried about users seeing my data, because as you say the personal information will be hidden.

For me there is the issue of the principle of passing DA users info through Google servers because it is a third party and you have no control once it is outside of DA servers. It is also an issue of who are you having a relationship with. It is with DA but now DA has decided to do something with your information even if you like it or not. I didn't give them permission.

Even if Google can't see the personal details they use data collected from many sources in  general.

lt  that makes them very powerful. Too much power in just one organisation it doesn't matter who,
is unfair from a commecial view and dangerous in other ways.

Even if the personal data is hidden. It is still there, but just encoded to make it invisible. It is still my personal information.

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Alexander-Musset In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-22 11:05:42 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it is all very confusing unless you spend lots of time figuring out who is doing what, with which info, and how it is being done. It is just a huge headache because when you do the research you find that your understanding is not exactly correct but then it leads to more questions  .....aaaahh!

 I don't like the feeling of being just a part of someone elses machine/agenda but do I have the time and energy? and then I can't do anything when I find out anyway. The internet is great but the price is heavy.

Soon there will not be a generation who  knows what it is like to live a life where the moment you step out of your door, no-one knows where you are or what you are doing, unless you want them to. Where it is just you and your environment. Being about twelve years old, jumping on my bike early on a Sunday morning and riding miles to wherever in London. And then coming back at lunchtime; parent: "Where have you been?" me: "On my bike" parent: "Oh - lunch is ready go and wash your hands"

Or about 16 years old lying through my teeth: "Where are you going?"  - "Oh just to John's" when in fact I was going to Dave's - to do what you do when you listen to Pink Floyyd at Dave's. They still do it. But they are always on the end of a mobile. They have to make-up a double lie as to why they weren't answering the phone. Too complicated!

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formatela In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-22 00:13:21 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I agree with most of what you are saying.
Also, by the way, this isn't something that has only just started on DA. DA have been using GA to produce their own management stats for quite some time, so the data you mention has been going to Google's servers anyway.

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Alexander-Musset In reply to formatela [2014-03-22 11:07:12 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it is all very confusing unless you spend lots of time figuring out who is doing what, with which info, and how it is being done. It is just a huge headache because when you do the research you find that your understanding is not exactly correct but then it leads to more questions  .....aaaahh!

 I don't like the feeling of being just a part of someone elses machine/agenda but do I have the time and energy? and then I can't do anything when I find out anyway. The internet is great but the price is heavy.

Soon there will not be a generation who  knows what it is like to live a life where the moment you step out of your door, no-one knows where you are or what you are doing, unless you want them to. Where it is just you and your environment. Being about twelve years old, jumping on my bike early on a Sunday morning and riding miles to wherever in London. And then coming back at lunchtime; parent: "Where have you been?" me: "On my bike" parent: "Oh - lunch is ready go and wash your hands"

Or about 16 years old lying through my teeth: "Where are you going?"  - "Oh just to John's" when in fact I was going to Dave's - to do what you do when you listen to Pink Floyyd at Dave's. They still do it. But they are always on the end of a mobile. They have to make-up a double lie as to why they weren't answering the phone. Too complicated!

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Lilyas In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-20 00:55:40 +0000 UTC]

Well, YOU only get data from your own DA account. Yes, when you have a Premium membership and an Analytics account.

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Alexander-Musset In reply to Lilyas [2014-03-22 00:00:38 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. I understand that now.

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AmethystForge In reply to Alexander-Musset [2014-03-19 20:45:41 +0000 UTC]

I 2nd that question.

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GrimlocK38 In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 20:01:32 +0000 UTC]

hi,

how have my stats on my profile ?

thanks

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Super-Incognito In reply to GrimlocK38 [2014-03-19 22:21:27 +0000 UTC]

This isn't a widget.

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Iobunny In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 20:01:04 +0000 UTC]

Fantastic! Can't wait to get my premi~ ^_^ (I'll get mine in June.)

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GoryBlueCat In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:58:33 +0000 UTC]

Premium members only? Well then.

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JaneyKara In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:56:07 +0000 UTC]

I don't really see the point in a Google thing for deviantART..Why should we care who comes here from Google? We don't even use it on here.

It's a cool idea and all....but shouldn't it be for something like YouTube that actually uses Google?

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Super-Incognito In reply to JaneyKara [2014-03-19 22:26:59 +0000 UTC]

You completely misunderstand the whole purpose of this tool. Google Analytics shows you statistics and reports about WHOLE traffic on your website. Information like what websites people come from to see your page (and not only google as you suggests), how do they act on your website, who are they and such. There are analytic programs other than GA and all of these do the same thing. So just the fact that this one belongs to Google have no influence on it's functionality.

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JaneyKara In reply to Super-Incognito [2014-03-19 22:29:19 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I understand now. My apologies!

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Super-Incognito In reply to JaneyKara [2014-03-19 22:39:44 +0000 UTC]

That's alright. It's just better to make some basic research in the topic before jumping to conclusions.

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otaku4242 In reply to JaneyKara [2014-03-19 20:43:04 +0000 UTC]

lets not also forget the awful things google has done to youtube.
hope DA doesn't fall for the same scheme.......

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Anako-ART In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-20 08:18:27 +0000 UTC]

google is NOT buying dA, omg. This is just google analytics, used by most of websites.

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AmethystForge In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-19 20:46:22 +0000 UTC]

finally, someone else besides me, who doesn't like what happened to Youtube.

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Explosion245 In reply to AmethystForge [2014-03-20 02:52:18 +0000 UTC]

same here! I used to roleplay with some dear friends on my tablet, but then google plus forced me to change my layout and now I've got 10 different useless accounts that came in out of no where and IT WONT LET ME COMMENT ON MOBILE

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otaku4242 In reply to AmethystForge [2014-03-19 20:50:44 +0000 UTC]

yeah, they made the comments section WORSE than it already was. now instead of seeing the word "dick" everywhere, its actual pictures of dicks. then also the layout of the website is utter shit, you cant have a video with a single second of music without some bullshit company RIDING up your ass because the "claimed" it.
ever heard of "right of purchase?" GOOGLE IS BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!
we have a RIGHT to do what we want with the things we buy. ive had people complain of videos being taken down because they have 2 seconds of music in their video, despite the fact that they PAID for that music though iTunes or some shit.

on another note, who pays for music online these days? XD

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formatela In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-21 18:43:44 +0000 UTC]

You clearly don't understand copyright law if you think you have the right to do what you want with the things you buy. That's a bit worrying if you are posting artwork on DA. I take it if you saw somebody selling copies of your images and making money from them without your permission, or turning your images into a slideshow and using it on youtube you'd be okay with that, would you?

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AmethystForge In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-19 21:05:32 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, the Youtube comments have become nearly entirely mean, pompous, gross, and absurd...I've seen outright death threats, porn references, hack threats, bashing decent singers because they're not Bieber/Miley/whatever...I've even seen a surge of chain mail bull on Youtube (and DA for that matter ).

I don't know which notice annoys me more: "Viacomm has removed this due to copyright...", "Video removed by user", or "This music video is not available in YOUR country". The one about countries tends to feel rather personal, and I want to show them this when it says I can't see it in my country...

Thankfully I accidentally disabled comments on Youtube for when I'm signed in. Not sure how it happened, but I'm relieved for it.

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otaku4242 In reply to AmethystForge [2014-03-19 22:13:26 +0000 UTC]

EXACTLY!
99% of my music is from japan and Germany, but you cant get it on big sites like I-tunes, so I download them from free sites.
you wanna put foreign music on youtube? nope, your fucked, because GOOGLE IS A WHINY LITTLE MONEY HUNGRY BITCH.

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JaneyKara In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-19 20:44:21 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, it isn't that bad when you get used to it. I found out I could actually USE A YOUTUBE NAME WITH NO SPACES WITH G+.

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otaku4242 In reply to JaneyKara [2014-03-19 20:48:09 +0000 UTC]

perhaps, but you know what happens when we start to expect less out of companies? we GET less, and we don't deserve less.
why would you need to login to one website JUST so you could login to another?
that's like saying "you cant login to yahoo without first logging into deviantart". its ridiculous really.
also the comments system, now instead of people saying "dick" everywhere, there are actual PICTURES of dicks everywhere.

not that I read the comments on Youtube, but some people do, and we really get sick of seeing dicks everywhere. they actually made the comment system WORSE than it already was.

gah, and theres so much more

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battlebrothertherix In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-19 22:16:55 +0000 UTC]

After the surge of snapchat-esque dick pics, the comments section mostly died down fortunately. My beef is now that Google seems adamant that I get a G- account to use youtube. The only social networking account I have is a Facebook one, and I use that exceedingly rarely. I'm not interested in G- at all and it still badgers me, as well as making my comments reply button only work approximately 43% of the time.

I managed to sneak in under the radar though; when G- showed up on Youtube I of course already had an account, and sometimes when I log in it will say I have yet to create my G- account, yet I can still comment, upload or watch videos. Score!

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otaku4242 In reply to battlebrothertherix [2014-03-19 22:19:14 +0000 UTC]

the other problem is that content creators are SO LIMITED in what they are allowed to put up.

oh, you paid $1.99 for a song on ITunes and you want to put 2 measly seconds of it in a video? NOPE! VIDEO TAKEN DOWN!

mother fuckers are breaking the law. haven't they ever heard of right of purchase???

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battlebrothertherix In reply to otaku4242 [2014-03-19 22:22:23 +0000 UTC]

Oh, the content creators only get flagged if their accounts are monetised.

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otaku4242 In reply to battlebrothertherix [2014-03-19 22:24:42 +0000 UTC]

I just think that google really fucked up youtube, and the site was already quite unbalanced before they came in and screwed it up.

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CraftyPixel In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:54:37 +0000 UTC]

- I like it, I really don't think people are paying attention... It's an addition to the premium membership
, and the ones who usually buy the memberships are buying it for another reason * before they saw this update *
It's something extra that people who are selling their art can benefit from. Stats are important in calculating commission funds or
just out of curiosity. Don't like it and have PM don't use it, don't want PM and don't like it? not your problem. -

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formatela In reply to CraftyPixel [2014-03-21 19:05:56 +0000 UTC]

'Don't like it and have PM don't use it, don't want PM and don't like it? not your problem'
That's about the most sensible and succinct summary I've seen in this journal. Very nice.

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CraftyPixel In reply to formatela [2014-03-21 23:59:41 +0000 UTC]

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CraftyPixel In reply to CraftyPixel [2014-03-19 19:55:16 +0000 UTC]

- Calculating Possible commission funds * -

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Sheshin In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:54:36 +0000 UTC]

I don't have the traffic anymore for this to be useful. Don't know where the traffic all went but it's not here anymore.
The only reason I have a premium is to get rid of all the ads especially when they use to be riddled with virus' (still might be don't know) and for the portfolio feature, because I am a graphic designer in my professional personal life. I love the fact that I can use it without any of dA's branding on it. I upload cartoon fan art here for my own amusement in my spare time.

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formatela In reply to Sheshin [2014-03-21 19:12:13 +0000 UTC]

My reason for Premium are the same as yours - mainly to get rid of the ads which I found really annoying.
The traffic is still here, but it's a different kind of traffic these days. A lot of it seems to be from people who don't contribute artistically themselves, which is okay, but unfortunately, many of them come here to find free stolen almost hard core porn, which isn't really okay. Unfortunately that seems to be the way this site is going. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty open minded, witness my own favourites, but there are limits to what this place should allow.

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Super-Incognito In reply to Sheshin [2014-03-19 22:29:27 +0000 UTC]

Also you can use the ad block plugin for your browser. Just saiyan.

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concept-of-god In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:48:00 +0000 UTC]

Still not worth it.

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WindgeistArts In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:40:14 +0000 UTC]

no thank you

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omerksx In reply to ??? [2014-03-19 19:37:56 +0000 UTC]

i really want a substitute version of this for FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!.

starving artist here.

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Super-Incognito In reply to omerksx [2014-03-19 22:29:52 +0000 UTC]

You have pageviews counter and gallery stats. These are available for every member.

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omerksx In reply to Super-Incognito [2014-03-20 02:24:29 +0000 UTC]

i know.... but i want a list of my arts sorted by view, fav count etc.. etc... not so "superb" right?

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