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the fear of being treated the way I treat women? That is crazy talk if I were gay then yes I'd like to date a man who treats me the way I treat women.
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So where'S the problem then?
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Exactly what does my treatment of women have to do with gay men?
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You should rephrase that question:
How is your treatment of women similar to your treatment of gay men?
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Ah well i have met gay men and they seem like good people.
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Again, where's the problem then?
It somehow proves (actually, it only does not contradict^^) my point:
You treat women with respect and therefore ain't afraid to be treated likewise - so you got nothing to be afraid of
The message of the poster is: Men who treat women badly might be afraid of being treated likewise, when with a women. Men, who fall in love with women might be afraid of being subject to a men's love.
Anyway, there's obviously a potential analogy of how men treat women and how they expect to be treated by gay men.
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What fascinates me is that most homophobic behavior seems to be directed at homosexual men by heterosexual men. Heterosexual women are typically more tolerant of these such things, and it seems that heterosexual men often disregard lesbian relationships in their rants-- be it because they're biased or simply don't think about it, that I don't know.
Just making an observation.
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ok, first up I'd like to apologise if my comments in reply to anyone else's comments caused any trouble earlier. As I pointed out previously I was trying to help, but maybe didn't express myself well enough (or probably more likely expressed myself to the wrong audience).
With regards to the poster, yeah some men who fear gay men do indeed have issue with gay men viewing straight men as attractive, sexually available or even romantically available. I don't disagree with that comment, I've witnessed that comment in action. Note (as someone has already pulled me up on this) I use the term "fear" in its literally definition of the term "phobia". It's intended as synonymous.
But I'm reading a lot of criticism that the message is either too simplistic, or not comprehensive. Seriously, while I see WHY people are saying that, I have to ask "just how big a poster were you expecting?". To cover the entire spectrum of sexuality AND homophobia would take an entire essay.
I sincerely hope that, now the poster is becoming so widely noted (I hesitate to use the term popular judging by some of the comments) that it doesn't start to attract too many bigots, while it would be great if we could make a few narrow minded types question their views, I can also imagine them just using the opportunity to vent or preach.
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Spread the word, bro!
The license is WTFPLv2 (see above), it literally allows you to "do what the fuck you want to". This means it's actually public domain, even in those countries where releasing something into public domain is legally not possible.
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does saying "fag" and "gay" in my usual ignorant speech make me homophobic? I'm part fag myself so I don't know. though accusations fly in my direction of being so more often than I actually have sex with with my girlfriend. I guess because I don't shout the fact that I'm bisexual from the rooftops for all to hear, I am afraid of people finding out I like guys too.
and I've slept with a total of like, 5 women, 4 of which I was in an actual relationship with.
but I will say this... if a gay man who doesn't know I am bi pisses me off, I will call him a faggot to piss him off. 
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I love how a lot of the negative comments unintentionally demonstrate what this sign is about. Fear of rape, or fear of being accused of sexism, or fear that others think women are weak... Everyone accusing you of invoking the darkest fears about their own nature. This is just brilliant; I commend you on the bravery of not only posting this but of responding to many of the comments. Those who say they don't get this or that this is too narrow are just unwilling to think too hard.
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Personally I'd love to be treated the way I treat women. Life would be much nicer.
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I watched a movie about homophobia some time ago ( [link] )
nice picture
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Well as far as I can see people will always try to over complicate an issue due to this poster being aimed at a very narrow audience
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Usually to defend themselves.
It's like the "I ain't antisemitic - I got a jewish friend - but ..."-strategy.
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I knew a chick in school who had gay friends but didn't think they should be able to marry which I thought was pretty fucked up because she was the standard stereotypical cheerleader
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ok, homophobic people have a lot, of stupid made up reasons why they have fear of gay people. They also have so many psychological reasons for it (not defending them) because of their education. But this is not one nor the other. This is just teasing, and who said that all homophobes are sexists? They are mostly too religious persons.
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Is how you treat women sexistic?
No? Then why do you think only of sexistic ways of how you (or someone else) treat(s) women?
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I mean, why else would you be afraid of being treated the same way? There is something Iยดm not understanding...
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That's quite a good question you have to ask homophobes: Why are they afraid of being loved by someone of the same sex? Why do they at all think, all homos were into them? Cuz they are into all humans of the other sex/everyone of the other sex are into them?
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This picture is intended to be thought provoking to people who are homophobic, it isn't a stereotype about homophobes.
People who don't understand the purpose of these things bug me.
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And you didn't have to argue with five dozens of them
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wow this is dumb.
and what if you treat your women like they should be treated?
you can still be homophobic.
this poster is sexist shit being recycled. homophobia has nothing to do with straight women or men other than they are the ones being homophobic.
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Why are you so scared to be loved by a man?
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pfff I am loved by a man.
I am in a happy 6 year relationship with one, thank you.
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I think you are missing the point and focusing on some misguided politically correct view of misogyny. The men who use "fear or gay rape" as an excuse for queer bashing, do indeed fear gay men see them only as sex objects, and psychologically, the type of man that does that probably doesn't look at women as anything more than a potential sexual partner either.
however I do agree the poster is far too simplistic in its condemnation of homophobia. Homophobia takes many forms, even gay people can be homophobic.
This only covers one group, it neither applies to or acknowledges the existence of straight women who denounce their sons or disown their daughters after they come out, or fathers who beat their sons to "toughen them up" or any of the hundreds of other homophobic attacks that happen around the world each year.
But I think you are being very harsh, no single badge or poster could possibly sum up the entire spectrum of hate in a single sentence. But I wish you would reconsider describing it as "dumb" since I know from personal experience - for some people it is true.
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"politically correct view of misogyny"
what is that even?
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misogyny is the hatred of women, the original statement does reference it by imply homophobes view women as sex objects and presume gay men see all males as sex objects too. By "politically correct" I was saying a "too narrow" definition of misogyny, I "assumed" that was implied.
now I don't want to get into a debate into this. I objected to the confrontational attitudes I was reading here that I didn't feel were justified.
I've made my point and I'm not one of those people who "has to have the last word" so I'm done. If you feel the need to add anything further - don't expect me to read it.
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Your interpretation is too narrow, too.
I ain't saying anything about being a sex object, or about sexism, that's mere interpretation. What about "Fear of men loving you the way you love women"?
Don't blame the poster, if you're interpretation is too narrow.
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ok first up I was trying to point out that you actually have a point to someone who was being unnecessarily critical (IMO). My intention was to be supportive. If you interpreted that as being critical of you, I'm sorry.
Secondly, saying the poster is about gay hate and misogyny, is the literal translation of the message. I acknowledge it isn't the only definition so I'm slightly miffed you think my capacity to comprehend it is "too narrow" but seriously since I've already been accused once today of "just liking the sound of my own voice" I'm not going to go into a lengthy deconstruction of my views on the poster.
The poster is what it is.
Finally, some of the people attacking the poster actually have a point (I just didn't feel the couple of comments I responded to made their points particularly well or had considered the wider issues here), but you have overly simplified the definition of homophobia by making it about straight men hating gay men, there is an entire spectrum of hate.
but what poster could sum it ALL up.
again, my comments weren't intended as an attack on you or the message, I was simply attempting to clarify where the message was valid, and acknowledge other definitions exist.
Now before I get accused of trolling I'm going to stop typing. congrats on getting 6,000+ views for this, it certainly is thought provoking, shame so many of the comments have been negative.
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Now you get me wrong. I didn't say that your capacity is too limited, I said, that the interpretation doesn't fit the ambivalence of the original statement. It's not to be understood as an insult; I actually do understand that you're tried to be supportive, but in a vivid discussion (big parts of all the comments here are to be taken as that, apart from few true trolls), everybody has to stand up for his point and even criticise someone, who meant to be supportive
And don't take that "like the sound of your voice" too serious, usually it's brought up by people overwhelmed by the flood of your good arguments^^
Thanks for the congrats; of course it was meant to provoke (like almost all art is), especially the negative comments show that I've done a good job on this, might be the greater accolade to be attacked than to be applauded - the negative feedback proves the importance. There's a German catchphrase that states: "A hit dog barks", which means: "The one who assumes to be addressed, cries out."
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then there should be no single badge or poster with something so dumb on its goddamn face.
there are so many facets. why put one, an incorrect one at that, on a poster or badge?
I don't have these stupid posters or badges because I don't need them. Being gay is about more than being gay. It's about having a damn life. Being gay doesn't define you. It's a damn sexuality.
These posters can all go to hell.
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incorrect in "your opinion". Sorry but I find your attitude a little excessive. clearly this is a personal message about an individual view of homophobia, it is not a definitive description of sexuality. How can a personal "opinion" be incorrect? misguided, uninformed, inappropriate, I can accept, but not incorrect. Incorrect for me implies a mistake, and I'm sorry as I said before, this scenario does it exist, it just doesn't cover everything.
as for it being "dumb" well clearly you aren't going to change your mind on that, so I'm choosing to step out of this "argument" and let you discuss it further with yourself. I stated why I felt your statement was inappropriate, I don't have anything further to add.
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I don't discuss things with myself.
You espouse a lot of straw man arguments. You like to read your own words and think you're clever.
It is incorrect. It shows only one side. In a multifaceted problem, showing only one side is /incorrect/. Period. You make no sense.
Write less, think more.
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So you see only one side of this polemic and ignore the ambiguous ways to interpret it, and think it's the posters fault, when your interpretation is one-sided?
Apart from that, it's not the job of a polemic to state to whole truth, but to offend the addressee to make him rethink his point. That you are to ignorant to do so is not my fault, but it gives a hint about who is "dumb".
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strawman argument.
you've just recycled your point in the first paragraph to state it in a different way in the second and include a nice opening to insult me.
There is no real ambiguous way. This is not poetry. We all know what the poster meant. The point of the poster is moot. It's invalid in its incorrectness because it claims to address the homophobe, yet only one sort. If it wanted to dress the whole of homophobes, then the poster might have expanded the point. However a paragraph is not as artistic as a line, as proven by Deviantart.
So do me a favor, Think more. Type less.
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Well, if you continue to bullshit, ignoring any argument, I have to repeat and repeat till you start to read.
So if you start to argument neglecting what artwork means at all, forcing your fascist views onto others, discussion ends here with the advice: Try to start thinking at all.
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wow he's really fascist for insulting a poorly made poster that's comparing two issues that are, frankly, unrelated in this context; not all homophobes are sexists and not all sexists are homophobes and the whole every sexist or homophobe are both and fit into this silly "woman-beating neanderthal" stereotype is well. silly. just because there are more facets to the issue doesn't mean that this user acknowledged them or even intended to acknowledge them; read her comment, she obviously has a pretty simplistic view of homophobia and sexism, for that matter. his gripes are legitimate.
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Again, who's been talking about sexists??? Me or you?!
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that was what the original commenter was griping about. and what this whole poster is about.
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No, it isn't. That's the problem: You don't get what it is about and beat down straw men.
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