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Father John Joseph Reid and Father Lawrence Turner are Catholic priest that fell in love with each other and married in Massachusetts. They now preside over the New Devine Mercy Catholic Communities. The opening statement of their website is listed below.In imitation of Jesus Christ, we welcome all people to worship and celebrate God's all-inclusive love with us. Whoever you are, where ever you are in your life, we thank you for choosing to be here with us today. Our Mission: To Extend God's Kingdom of Justice, Truth, Love and Peace. [link]
More than 1,000 people attended a rally at Fort Lauderdale City Hall protesting the passage of Amendment 2 in Florida and Proposition 8 in California, which discriminates against LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender/transsexual ) people in The United States of America.
The protests were part of the βJoin the Impactβ [link] campaign to have a synchronized reaction of outrage across the country because of the passage of laws in Arizona, California and Florida defining marriage as an institution between a man and a woman only.
Proposition 8 in California and Amendment 2 in Florida have become a symbol of the struggle for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender rights. It is also argued the laws will restrict rights to heterosexuals who are domestic partners and not married.
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I didn't say that's what you said, I said that it was implied through the phrase.
THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED A UNION! For goodness sake, I can't explain how right I feel that is. But no one should have control over religion! It's just wrong. You choose a religion because you feel it's right. If you think it's wrong, than join a different one! That's the purpose of religion. To define clearly what you believe.
Fine, I don't believe it's just a religious issue. But if you want to go that way, then I'll say again, for the second time in this reply, that you, nor I, nor anyone else for that matter, has the right to change a religion just because we think it's wrong.
Would you demand that the people of Islam to let their women show more skin? No. It's their religion.
Would you demand that Jewish people eat ham? No. You wouldn't.
Would you demand that certain sects of Christianity allow gay marriage...hopefully not. It's their right to interpret the bible as they see fit. so let it be. If you don't like it, find a religion that better suits your own ideals and opinions.
As for me, I like my religion quite a bit. I get annoyed when people twist it, or attempt to. I get annoyed when people demand that we change our ways to better fit a changing society.
But you know what's funny about religion? It's a combination of funny traditions and weird meanings that are unchangeable. Heck, to change them would kinda spawn an entirely new religion...like, you know, Protestantism. Baptists. Like, you know that one time when the Catholic church went corrupt, and christianity split? That's what happens. Not that it was bad per se. But you can't change a religion and expect the religion to be the same one. A religion is defined by its beliefs, and once you change those you make something new. do you see what I'm saying? I don't know if I can say this any other way.
And when you do disagree with them, and find a religion that you like best, don't call everyone else closed minded. Because they're not. They're just different, and that's that.
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You don't get it. Politics and religion do NOT mix period, in this country there is seperation of Church and State, and marriage is NOT all the time a religious event, that is why people here can be married by Justice of the Peace.
I call it closed minded because it is a civil righst struggle. Civil Unions is political correct bullshit, period. What is so wrong in your eyes about Gay Marriage anyhow? Are you threatened by it?? No one is hurting anyone and it is just to much Gov't in people's personal lives, period! This is the 21st century, and to think 2 people can't even marry in my country who love one another is pathetic.
Fine you have YOUR religion, now they have theirs as well. No one is being hurt by this, no one is threatening you, open YOUR mind!
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Yes, I do get it. But I absolutely disagree. Politics and religion mix all the time, because it's impossible for statemen and women to keep their minds clean of their own biasedness...which is fine by me. You vote for someone because you like their ideas, so you have the ability to keep them out if they're too into their religious affiliation.
But that's beside the point, because I think you think that I was the one who said this is only a religious issue...which I wasn't. I'm pretty sure I was arguing with you that this is both an issue of religion and politics. Or maybe I really don't know what you're talking about afterall.
I support a union of justice and peace? I think. Not a marriage, no. Because that is an institution of religion...which, again, you don't have the right to change, try as you may.
When is marriage not a religious event? Whether it's a marriage in the hindu, christian, islamic or jewish faith (scuse me if i forgot some), it's a pretty religious thing. But it is religious. A Union is not a religion. The government cannot control whether or not they allow gay MARRIAGE because it is not their palce to do so. There IS a seperation of church and state, which they must not break, or else they destroy that unwritten (yet often crossed) treaty between the two. That is why I do not agree with gay marriage, but gay unions. Unions = all the same benefits of marriage, but without the word....because that's a religious thing. Sure, it may seem small and unimportant....but it's important in that it has plenty of religious conotations that are often holy, and really should not be tampered with.
I wouldn't say civil unions are politically correct....actually I think the majority of people think that it's the right way of thinking, so in this case it would be politically incorrect of me to suggest a union as opposed to marriage concerning gay couples.
And no, I'm not threatened by it. No, no one is hurting anyone. But those two things are threatening and hurting tradition.
And I guess you might not understand how significant that is, but to a religion that is everything. Tradition is how religions began and were formed. You change tradition and you change the entire thing.
Really, I don't think you've been paying attention to me at all. I want the government to allow gay unions, but they cannot change religion! Don't you understand!? To do so would be evne more invasive. They have no right under any circumstances to change something that was there even before them. Government can no more walk up to the doors of a church and demand that they allow certain things than they can walk up to your door and demand that you think a certain way. To do so would be wrong, and to do so would make the corrupt and unjust. They can't do it! Don't you see?
My mind is open! But it's not so open that I can no longer see the logic behind things. I see that people are wanting to turn their own government into a corrupt socialist one in the hopes of gaining the rights of a few citizens. I see that people claimm to want a seperation between church and state, but are only angered when the church interferes, and not vice versa. But just because I see all of these things does not mean that I buy into it.
Yes, my mind is open. My mind is open and filled with a million silly ideas that have gotten into the heads of society, but I am choosing right here, and right now not to follow or believe any of it when there is not a dime of logic in it.
To ask the government to allow gay marriage is to not even understand the foundations of it. How can a government based upon freedom of thought, and freedom of religion demand something out of a people? Just as I believe gay couples should have their rights, I believe that churches should have their rights to refuse them. That is fair. That is just.
Now, please tell me you understand my argument before you go off on a tangent that I've already disproved.
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maybe we should start from here to carry this on through notes?
No, marriage is NOT a religious institution, keep in mind my point of being married by a Justice of the Peace, in a court of law (as I was) and there is strict lines for the separation of church and state in America. I am not trying to change anything here, it is the way it is. (I am speaking from a technical POV here but rather one that involves a US Constitutional view)
Tradition??? Tradition....traditions come and they go all the time, and some aren't the greatest either. It still, however, doesn't outweigh the fact that this is a civil rights issue, and basing on tradition, we may as not let blacks sit at the front of the bus again, or allow them to vote either.
Civil Unions are a farce. They don't guarantee all the rights as marriage does. One example is how you can't share benefits like health life insurance. Who's right is it anyhow to deny 2 people who are in love, marriage? Heck, if 2 people wanna get hitched let em. After all, gay couples are already allowed to adopt children, and studies have shown, that Gay households are actually more stable than regular households, which are divorce laden.
No one is trying to change religion lol I think you should try and study this a little more. Look at how Canada has adopted and accepted as an example. Let's face the facts and relaity here, it is just a matter of time until it is recognized, nationwide. The tide is turning in America, as we have seen with Obama, and it is going to come about, sooner or later, to where 2 people who love one another, will have the same exact benefits as heterosexual couples.
Proved what?? I don't see you proving anything. If you really honestly think that Gov't would be changing religion, you need to study the issue more. And ask yourself why, every other country that is modern allows it, who, BTW, generally does NOT have a law seperating Church and State. Think about it. You'll get it!
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You're right about that.
Live and let live. As long as you RESPECT other people's decisions and have seriously thought everything through before making a decision yourself, you're open-minded. As long as you THINK. 
Religion is an impossible topic to debate. XD It's one of those things where there's no real right or wrong. So no use debating it.
I'm not religious at all. But you can do whatever you think is right as long as you don't mess with me. I still call for seperation of church and state though, obviously because whatever the government does DOES affect me.
But yes, forcing a religion to accept gay marriage just isn't right. Now that's messing with the religion and hypocrital and biased in its own way.
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Thank you.
The only reason it angers me is because I get so many people angry at me whenever I say that, even though I support civil unions, I'm closed minded because I don't think they have the right to change a religion.
I don't know. I realize how angry I come off. But at this point I couldn't care less. Maybe that's wrong of me.
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lol, to be honest, you might have ranted in the wrong place. XD
I understand how you feel. Well, I think I do. It must really suck to be considered close-minded just because you actually HAVE beliefs (sometimes, I think that just might be more secure than my agnotism) because other people have been... well... historically, religion hasn't managed to make a great impression on the rest of the world.
Still, that's really only because of the people who run around trying to convert everyone. Religion can be great kept quiet and only among willing believers.
And about the civil union thing - only problem with that is the fact that people still SOMEHOW perceive it as inferior. Pfft, people. T_T lol
Oh, and yes, you do sound angry. There's really no reason for you to listen to me, but it does help to chill. Ranting helps, but try to not let it get to you.
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Sadly, I know how angry I get. it really only seems to come out during internet debates (haven't done it ever with strangers though, must admit). Just can't help it....I'll try harder next time.
But thank you for understanding.
And no, in a lot of ways religion hasn't done the best for the earth. But I think that the people who spawned them had the best intentions (Jesus, Buddha....you know).
There are always the loonies who manage to grab all the attention and run with it. Executing people and giving people pox-infested blankets...I don't know. Its all very angering, especially when I see how many good people sit at the sidelines and keep to themselves. In my experience, religion has been both a nightmare and a dream. It's just so misused.
People do percieve civil unions as inferior. I understand why. But when it comes down to it, the only difference is a word. Which I honestly think is important. It's a word created and cared for by religions. No one has the right to define it other than them.
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Actually, civil unions are considered inferior because... well, they are, in a very legal sense! There are lots of legal rights (over a hundred specific ones) that are granted to married couples but not to those in a civil union. For example, a husband can make medical decisions for his wife if she is in a coma or otherwise mentally inhibited. In a civil union, that right is not guaranteed, and the immediate family of the injured or sick person can even chose to keep that person's partner from visiting them in the hospital.
I agree that a religion should never be forced to acknowledge same-sex marriages. However, civil union laws need to be SERIOUSLY updated before the argument can be made that it is equal to marriage. Because, right now, it isn't.
Of course, that's only in the US. Other countries vary.
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That's not the type of civil union I support though. Civil unions that have all the same rights as marriage is what I support. I don't think it's right that a gay couple can't visit their partner in the hospital, or give consent and that sort of thing.
I agree, since this is the case with some states, Civil Union laws do need to be updated in order for this whole thing to work.
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Misused, yeah, that's a great word for it.
lol, language and its connotations, eh?
...You know, my parents were never really married in a church. 
No one knows or cares. XD
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Agreed.
My parents weren't married in a church until later on. My family was a little pissy about it...but they got over it. It was all the same anyway.
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Right, right. ^^
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These aren't opinions mother fucker, these are people's lives. And no matter what you say, little shits like you are keeping people from being happy.
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Am I really? have I not said time and time again that they should have the right to all the same benefits of marriage, a civil union? I'm pretty sure I have.
The truth is, I want them to be happy. I respect them for their choices. I really, honest to God do. Because everyone should have the freedom to decide what makes them happy, etc, etc.
I don't know, I doubt my gay friends and lesbian friends think I'm determined to keep them unhappy.
Actually, after explaining my beliefs, they all sort of agree.
And, fyi....they are opinions? I'm confused by this.
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I'm not sure If I replyed to you or someone you replyed to....
Seriously, the whole thing is too buried to find out. Anyway, I'm sorry if I caused any confusion, I may have been talking to someone else.
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Oh, so "separate but equal". Remind me of how well that works in this country historically - oh wait, that's right - it doesn't.
So, with me being a member of The United Church of Christ(which is in favor of equal marriage) - my religious freedom doesn't matter according to you? Nobody is forcing ANYONE in the clergy to perform gay marriages. It's a CIVIL proceeding done at the courthouse, unless they go to a gay-friendly church(such as UCoC).
So, once again - my religious freedom doesn't matter, as long as you don't have to know that it's legal for gay people to get married? Yea, you really must be the definition of open-mindedness.
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No, seperate but equal does not work well in history. I can't agree with you more.
However, this is a matter or religion, not so much the idiocy that's taking place in the mind of several people who choose to openly and ridiculously hate gay people.
No matter how bad it seems, no one has the right to change a religion. You just can't do it. It defeats the purpose of choosing a religion in the first place.
I know that there are plenty of exceptions to this statement. Imagine if everyone still believed in Liviticus? That'd be a hell on earth.
But so many things come after substantial proof that something is wrong according ot God. Right now, the word of God (the Bible) says that homosexual marriage is wrong by the church. So yes, I believe that.
did I say your religious freedom doesn't matter? I said it was wrong according to most christian religions. Sorry if that was too broad for you. And I'm being serious when I say that, not sarcastic. I'm not telling you that your religion is wrong. If that's how they interpret the bible...then that's how it goes, right?
And I never said that anyone was forcing anyone to do anything, either. But I am saying that many people, gay and straight are attempting to change religions that don't agree with them to suit them. Which is wrong. As long as your religion is doing it by themselves, then let it be. I don't mind that. I just mind when people get angry at religions (specifically the Catholc faith, sicne that was what started this huge rant of mine) for not agreeing with them, when it's perfectly fine of them to do so.
That would be like me getting mad at a jewish person for...well, I don't know, not reading the new testament instead of the old one. I have no right to make them do anything just becauuse I believe that something is right, do I? No.
Which, consequently, is also why I believe that religion does not have the right to prohibit or force the government to do anything? Do you see what I mean?
And I'm not going to respond to the last paragraph, because at this point I think you got my entire argument wrong.
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No matter how bad it seems, no one has the right to change a religion. You just can't do it. It defeats the purpose of choosing a religion in the first place.
There are Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, and so on... and then you have little groups off to the side like the Phelps clan.
Hell, just last year the Pope decided that Limbo doesn't exist anymore. [link]
Not to mention the fact that not everyone, even people in the same sect, agrees with each other (as is made clear in this photo and the discussion around it!).
Many churches already accept gays.
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I know! But that's the point I was making. If you want to change the ideals of the Catholic church, for example, then it is no longer the Catholic church. It branches off into something completely different.
I am perfectly aware that all these different religions were spawned from one and yaddayadda...whatever. I get that. I'm not dumb. But the point is that people are demanding that churches change things that are the foundations of their beliefs, and to do so would be to just make a new religion, which would really fix nothing.
It would just create more religions. Take these Catholics who are "New Catholics". It's not the same thing. It's "New". By attempting to make people change, you're only creating a new sect.
And yes, many churches accept gays. Did I ever say they didn't? That still does not defeat the fact that government doesn't have right to rule over religion, or something that is a completely religious thing.
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You don't believe the government has the right to force or prohibit the government from doing aything? But yet you want the government to tell groups like the UCoC that they aren't allowed to practice their religion freely. Forgive me for not seeing the logic in this.
I mean, these are the exact same arguments that were used to keep segregation and the bans on interracial marriage going, all while referendums on them were passing with even greater support than the gay marriage bans enjoy today. It's no less contradictory to the 1st Amendment today. The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, but groups like the UCoC are basically being told "Sorry - that doesn't pertain to you. The majority of Christian groups don't agree with you, therefore you can't practice what you wish." And this is to say nothing of non-Christian groups who believe in equal marriage.
You say you agree with civil unions? Here's what I think - government(whether federal, state, or local) should not recognize(or legislate) marriage. At all. For ANYONE. That way the different religious groups are free to perform marriages the way they wish. You don't have the separate but equal thing going on then either. The government then would only recognize civil unions, which are available equally. But I guess that's not "broad enough", because it doesn't give the majority groups the power to strip away rights from smaller groups and tell them that they're wrong. And that's why it will never happen. And no, I'm not trying to say that you personally are opposed to that - I have no idea whether you are or not. But there are too many people out there who are, so the only way to truly gain equality in this situation is with equal marriage rights.
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I never....said...that the government should tell people what to do...? I said that it can't force religions to do anything?
Really, people, is anyone actually reading my arguments?
here's where I think you got mixed up: I said that the government should not force religions to allow gay marriage. That does not mean that I think that all religions are being force to allow it. Or that I think the government has the right to make religions disagree with it....what? All I said was that the government has no rule over religion, and that's that.
Religion has a right to dictate itself? If the UCoC agrees with gay marriage, than that's fine by me. That's how they interpret the bible, that's their choice. I'm cool with it. But I think to force religions to accept a certain thing that they believe to be sinful is wrong and unjust.
Ahh! Again with interracial marriage(which I whole heartedly support. Would I be half mexican otherwise? No.)But see, that was a case in which the government banned marriage....which I don't think it has any rule over. It has no right to say anythign about marriage at all! Nothing. Squat, zip. It has the right to make uunions, and that's it. it's up to churches, whether it's worng or right, to make decisions about marriage.
I hardly even know what the UCoC is, so how could I possibly condemn it? I'm really not. I'm just saying that no one has a right to change religion...and it would be contradictory of me to try to change their religion. Just because you support one thing does not necessarily guarantee that you oppose another.
Um...ok. But that won't fix anything. The whole issue is that there needs to be a difference because they are two seperate things, even though they're absolutely the same (yes yes, seperate but equal, blaghalgj). Everyone is equal. And yes, seperate...because you can't change religion. NO ONE CAN! NO MATTER HOW MUCH ANYONE WANTS TO! I might, you might, the world might. But we can't. It's wrong. And to do so would be to meddle in something that we have no rule or power over. Racial segregation was different because the law was getting into religion.
Look, I was being serious when I said sorry for being too broad. It wasn't meant ot be consdescending, and I know you know that, so don't try to use it against me.
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I personally never bothered to read the Bible, since I'm not a Christian, but I think everyone has a right to happiness and to love whoever they want! Free love for all!
And this picture is so symbolic I love it! 
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Since your not a christian you think everyone has a right to....
So every christain feels that gays dont have the right to happiness and love? Look at the subject matter before commenting 0_0
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No it's okay, it just struck me as odd, lol. Obviously religious people DO feel that unconditional love is important. And obviously not everyone agrees with it, religious or not.
Good day to you!
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I think this is a fantastic picture, and I really love the series!
And just for the record, I think Jesus would be down with love and tolerance.
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Gay priest AHHH! what the fuck is that shit...damn it if you believe in god( witch I don't) you are suppose to know that being gay is a sin...hey I had an idea...we should let serial killers become priest too...and what's wrong with a priest who wants to fuck a goat???religion is bullshit ..now don't get me wrong ..but ..heu...this ..this is like having the greeters at wal-mart telling you to go shop somewhere else..it doesn't make any sense at all.to any gay people out there don't get offended by my words ..I just think that gays and religion doesn't mix very well since god reject it so hardly....the use to kill gay people in the holy(f&?*ing) name of god..
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Are you honestly comparing homosexuality to bestiality and murder?
Please tell me I read that completely wrong, and I made a mistake.
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what ever you say...I am a bestial murderer...I'm the anti-christ...I'M racist...I'M a jew....I'M a nazi...I'M the one your parents warned you about...I'm a memeber of the church of satan...I'm Benny Hill....I'M batman...I'M gay...I'M homophobic...but never was an alcoolic nor a 15 years old who doesn't mind her own business!!!
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Thanks for the page view.
P.S Spelling is your friend.
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Because true Christians *should* know (but most don't) that everyone sins, which means all priests (even straight ones) sin. It's us mortals that make homosexuality such a crime, not God.
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I know ..I know it's a damn shame that's why I was bitching againt the christian...man made religions not a god or the god.
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I agree. Religion is bullshit.
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Well, I myself am bisexual and though I AM athiest, I have straight and very religious friends who support me and gays completly. Who says that religion and sexual preference don't mix. In fact, when someone calls us gay, I take it as a complimet. It means that I'm happy ^^ I see no reason why people take these things so seriously. Aren't we all people? Yes, yes we are, and if we're all people, then god should love us all right? I am athiest, but I read the bible before. And if we lived in the way the bible told us, then we would be slaughtering animals in our homes, waiting till marraige for sex which, lets face it, will not be happening. To the people who have enough will, ok then. I honestly aploud you. I have no willpower when it comes to that. Next, why do people always and automaticly head for, "Oh, gays are allowed to marry, now what, we can marry animals?" I'd rather not marry an animal thanks. I'm all for, love who you wanna love, and if you love an animal. Ok. I have no right at all to judge. And noone else has any right either. Come on people. Unless you know them, or, better yet, ARE them. Then don't say such nasty things. And being gay is NOT a sin. Next, LOTS of things are sins, we do it anyway. In the bible, being fat is a sin, ok. so please don't talk about sin. And, killing people because of what they like....thats like me shooting someone who doesn't wear the same clothes as everyone else. R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D now I'm not getting mad at you, I just wanted to point a few things out. And whats p with you picking disgust. Don't like it, ok. You don't have to comment so harshly.
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no no you get me wrong dude see your are right a god should dilike you because you are gay or what ever ...hek it's man that gives us such bad habits as tosay gays should exist or two gay priest is not concivable..see I was just talking abou tit to my brother(who's gay) and He couldn't believe me..'cause we grow up in a hous where god doesn't like gays.and yes this is r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d
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^^ sorry....I thought that you where one of those people who were like "GOD HATES FAGS!" at least its being more and more accepted now. I'm growing up in a family of homophobes.....and I'm bi *bangs head against wall* One of the many reason's I'm such a bitch to people who hate gays
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hey for some people god hate everything damn it why did he bother to create us then..pssssshhh!!!god hates the fags...wow what a way to be christian..first (fag) you just don't say that..being called a fag can't be hurtful to some.anyway what's next god don't like the internet.last week I was watching a report on molester and why they act like that.how come a man is drive up to rape a woman..guess what they started to blame the internet....GOD...it's people ..people, not the internet.just like guns don't kill people ..it's people who kills peoples( thanks to american dad)
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People. Thats the problem, I agree. How about we stop blaming something and see where the fingers pointing to once in a while. Geez. XD Humans need to learn how to own up just a bit more ^^
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my brother his gay and I love him so very fucking much and geuss what I'm the only one in the family who still talk to him ...do you know why they don't wanna talk to him anymore, because god(the christian one)says it's wrong to be gay.the even tried to cure him.his mother told him that it is impossible for two man to fall in love this is only physical...what the fuck!!!so sorry for the sarcasm I was mocking my father...
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first of all...not all religions have the same set of beliefs...you are making 'god' out to be this all inclusive thing when in reality nobody that is truly religious has any agreement on who or what god is or what god wants us to do with our lives.
gay people can be religious too, it isn't all religions that bans being gay...only some. and even then it depends on the interpretation of said religion...some people feel the Bible bans being gay outright while others feel that it is and always has been the concept of gay marriage that should be banned...some people feel that god was actually speaking metaphorically and that perhaps he doesn't ban gay people from being together at all...we just misunderstood his original message.
so you should really learn a little bit, study up on what you're talking about...you know...if you're going to say that something doesn't make sense, you should make sure that what you're saying DOES so that you don't end up sounding silly and offending people for no reason.......much like exactly what you did here.
so yea, basically what im telling you is that you don't know anything about religion or what is in any religious belief system because you don't ascribe to any religion...so knowing that don't go spouting off like you do know...because you have proven you don't, and you really did offend some people and you have no right to get offended when someone else points out the offense in your words....mostly because your words made less sense than the photo they were about AND because it was insulting towards anyone and everyone that follows any religion because you lumped all belief systems together into one.....
way to offend EVERYONE THAT ISN'T YOU in one fowl swoop my friend.
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just FOR THE FUCKING RECORDS...that's a fucking catholics on the picture and second of best I ain't your friend and will never be.thank you...by the way my father a preacher thanks you very fucking much...tu veux que je fasse du sens ma en faire du sens grosse vache.viens me dire que je connais rien a la religion asti je parlais du catholisisme et non pas de la religion en general..parceque oui les catholics on reprimer les gay pendant des annees et oui les gay on ete massacrer comme le reste du monde..mais t'es trop cone pour savoir ca en asti de connasse de merde...sa y est asti tu ma fait peter ma coche .pis anyway va dont demander a un musulman ce qui'il en pense des gay il va te dire qu'il sont mieux mort.pis c pas mon avis c leirs avis a eux c eux qui font pas de sens pas moi.
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honestly was that all needed?...If you feel strongly against something as major as religion must you voice your opinion so that it is aimed to offend, the fact that your an atheist tells me you don't really know what you want to be (as far as religion goes), your general believe is turning into religion, so by the simple statement that you don't believe in god you have put yourself in one of the saddest religions yet, the atheists. I refuse to be the one meandering on about religion as i don't fully know what i support, but i know there is something out there....dunno what it is but its out there...
i apologize if i offended you, was not my intention...
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no offense there ..but YOU PUT ME in that class of religion .for my self I don't believe anything from it.but anyway my point was ...and still is ...religion made us live in lies.anyway if you think my vision of life in general is sad because I think there is nothing after death ..well you're the one who's wrong.when I'll die all that made me goes back to the earth and that's the way it is .life is death death is life...so being eternal it's being selfish..selfish like any catholic priest who swear on the bible to live in poverty...ever been to rome?? the owl place is made of gold ....now you feel offended well I'm the one who's offended by the way I had to grow up...did you ever wonder if you would be able to eat anything tomorrow or the day after or the day after that..then days becomes weeks ..weeks becomes months...ever wonder why a lil 6 years old girl had been found .rape and murdered for no good reason...don't tell me it's satan ...'cause guess what it's your so called god that created him....the all so mighty that knows every answer to any questions.Well if he does exist his a fucking idiot.'cause me and many many more parents out there wouldn't let there children die in such horrible ways.NUFF SAID CHUUCH!!!
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well i will have to say that was a lengthy and unneeded rant, i am not in anyway really religious as i do not know what is after life, i do believe in the soul though, and i do believe we have something higher then ourselves...i do think its evil of man to do demonic things such as rape, but then again i believe murder to be moral to some extent...i grew up in Detroit...lived on the streets dealin so i could just get food, my father was a drunk and i had to deal with being beaten every time i went home, my mother was ether high or not home most of my life, that's why i grew to be who i am, i grew up and earned a family of my own, and I'm trying my hardest to be everything to them, and not to make the mistakes of my father, so to make a long story short, yes i know how it feels to not have a meal, or not have cloths, or not have anything to look forward to, but then again...if i didn't have faith that something better was out there...whether its religion or just hope, then i would have killed myself along time ago and i never would have gotten to see my beautiful daughter...
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well rings a lot of bells...and me too I rely on hope ..hope that something better is there for me and if I wasn't an artist ..well I would have kill my self too.see I believe more in philosophy that religion..I think the buddist are very close to the truth.(sorry all of you who believe in jesus)jesus had a great message actually be us(man)we adjust is message so we can control the people minds.I think for my self that humans is a very stupid race(myself include of course)and that we are some how drive to selfdestruct.
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honestly i believe you, we chose to use freewill to destroy humanity, that is a slight bit of justice for the things we chose to do, the priests that have done things with the young boys, the corrupt politicians, the pervert kid-napping kids....its sick I hate this world for what it is,and i hate most of the people in it, they have destroyed the moral fabric of society. made it hard to even have a kid n be happy without people going "that ain't yo baby" or other stupid things all the time...humans as a whole are a flawed speicis, we don't understand our own mortality till we grow old (for the most part), maybe if something would happen...decimate humans...destroy a country...show that we are in fact mortal and we are not whole...show that in the end nothing will save us, and let them all meet there gods!!!
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