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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to namdaubu12345 [2019-01-15 21:18:34 +0000 UTC]

Orrrr....you can accept...people can and will abort a bunch of cells for different, personal and basically 99.9% of the time good reasons  
No video is going to change my mind Like my stamp will not change yours. 

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PeteSeeger In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2019-03-12 05:52:52 +0000 UTC]

You say "A bunch of cells" as if it dehumanizes them. Everyone and every living thing is "a bunch of cells".

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to PeteSeeger [2019-03-12 21:34:47 +0000 UTC]

I use "A bunch of cells" more because before week 5/6, it is basically fuctionless. Think of it as more of a snap back to the 'it's a person!!" arguments when women have to have early abortions. 
Also probably because I dont have much respect for fetus's  

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PeteSeeger In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2019-03-12 21:37:30 +0000 UTC]

1) "Have to."

2) There is no scientific quantification of personhood.

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to PeteSeeger [2019-03-13 16:53:19 +0000 UTC]

Are
Are you complaining because I dared comment I called something without any brain activity and have no love for a bunch of cells??? Would you be offended if I called a rock a bunch of cells?? It has just as much brain activity for the fetus's month or so.

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PeteSeeger In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2019-03-13 17:19:45 +0000 UTC]

I understand that you snowflakes are unfamiliar with the concept of anyone else having opinion, but I'm presently arguing with you because I find your argument immoral and your reasoning nonexistent. I would be offended by you calling a rock a bunch of cells because it's not. Rocks are not living, therefore they are not made up of cells.

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to PeteSeeger [2019-03-13 21:51:42 +0000 UTC]

Now this is where you've lost me; you claim it's your opinion, yet all you've done is throw your twisted knickers into the air and claiming that calling fetuses a bunch of cells is dehumanizing, before backtracking and claiming everyone is? So you are complaining...because I called a fetus what everyone was and is? A bunch of cells? 
I understand that you need to rub your ego, hense the 'snowflake' rubbish which is hilarous to me, as it is simply a cheap way to rub yourself off, but alas you've proven nothing more then a moron. I am personally closing this conversation when you present more of an opinion, and not you simply backtracking and circling your comment before stating it's your 'opinion'. 

Have a good day

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KashmiraDragonGodess In reply to peveral424 [2018-02-28 17:27:08 +0000 UTC]

I would only find abortion to be  right if a woman got pregnant as the result of a rape. And if you do wish to abort it should be done before the fetus develops a  active nervous system because at that point it would be considered murder since the unborn infant can feel pain at that time.  I dont remember the amount of weeks into pregnancy this happens but I did take a child development class in school. 

Please mind that this is my personal opinion and view on the subject which can be backed up with what I learned in my course. I'm not sure how many people take child development classes so their opinions can differ based on that or the amount of actual knowledge they have of fetal development. I don't want hate. Just maybe enlightment on the subject as it can be sensitive or subjective. 

Thank you 

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to pootisman24 [2017-02-04 22:14:48 +0000 UTC]

Ikr
Some people like are so desperate to defend them like some will even say that pregnancy through rape is gods will
Like if god is like that then he can fuck himself

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pootisman24 In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2017-02-04 22:24:02 +0000 UTC]

'God' is disgusting, no matter which way you look at it.

The things he's done and some of the things he's created are fucked.

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to pootisman24 [2017-02-05 16:23:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, so much for "all loving"

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pootisman24 In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2017-02-05 16:30:02 +0000 UTC]

"All loving! Except for you, you and aaaaaall of you." -God

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to pootisman24 [2017-02-05 21:07:24 +0000 UTC]

Ye-

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KashmiraDragonGodess In reply to satyrbones [2018-02-28 17:31:48 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this comment whole heartedly. I also took a child development class in school so I learned about all the development process and everything. I couldn't remember how many weeks into pregnancy you had to be for the fetus to develop a nervous system and lungs and all that. There is a certain range in the womb where the fetus doesn't even feel pain or is aware of its own existence yet. That shpuld be the time to abort if necessary ( which I feel is only during a rape because adoption is another possibility)

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to satyrbones [2017-02-04 10:21:20 +0000 UTC]

This entire comment gave me aids-

"Miscarriage is NOT the same as abortion. Miscarriage is from natural causes."
"synonyms:spontaneous abortion". While Abortion is more medically done, it's still the same concept of losing a fetus.

"The child can feel pain from as young as 6 weeks. It's developed teeth and lungs. "
What rubbish. Even if it's true abortion usually happens a couple of weeks in. Not a month or so.

"It's not her body. It's the baby's body. When you're in your car, you aren't part of your car."
No it's not the baby's body and I'm gonna use your own little sentence to explain it. The mother is the car, the baby is the driver. Poof. Not the baby's body.

"If a woman is raped, how does it make sense that you should punish the most innocent one in that affair? The baby has done nothing wrong."
Why is it her duty then to carry a child she will hate? Or, even if she loves it, will never be able to answer the question of "Where's dad?" or "How did you and dad meet?"
She can't even give it to adoption because not only will she have bills, there's a high likelyhood it'll not get adopted. And sadly orphaned kids are more likely to get into crimes then ones with parents.

"If a condom breaks, it's still the couple's fault for even engaging in intercourse without Natural Family Planning and marriage."
This may be shocking to you but married couples still use condoms and sometimes they simply don't have the money for the baby. Why bring in a child if you can't even look after yourself?

"If you don't care when an innocent child is killed, you're sick."
Oh but I do. Just not fetus's as they're cells. You lose many cells everyday, do you weep for them?

"It doesn't matter WHEN the fetus is alive. What matters is that the fetus IS going to be a life. And you're taking away it's chance at ever living. People who abort are honestly selfish. Now, I'm not like those people who stand in front of an abortion clinic shouting at the mothers to kill themselves. A mother needs support and needs to hear that the fetus is a life, and in all honesty, she has no right to destroy a life."

You're selfish for not thinking of what the lasting effects of a child may lead; mentally disturbed mothers, struggling poor families, life of crimes where the child was given up but oh nooooo a bunch of cells "MUST BE SAVED!11!"
What a joke.

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satyrbones In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2017-02-04 19:15:17 +0000 UTC]

1. Abortions happen well after a baby has developed it's first signs of being truly human. Proof shows that babies feel every single thing that happens during an abortion- especially the pain of literally being sucked into a tube from it's own mother.

2. The mother is the driver of her OWN body. The baby is a passenger. When a mother aborts, she's pretty much crashing her car into a ditch with a baby inside.

3. So you'd rather just kill an innocent life then give it a chance in foster homes or adoption. Plenty of children who were given up for adoption have lived good lives- just read the back of a Wendy's cup.
There's also no 'bills' or adoption- however there are tons for abortion. You have to have healthcare if something goes wrong, they only accept certain kinds- don't forget that abortion is just a doctor's money grab.

4. A couple without money shouldn't be having sex in the first place. There's this little thing called 'Natural Family Planning.' Have sex when you want a kiddo. If not, don't take the risk. 

5. So we're all cells. Does that mean if I went out and murdered my parents it'd be fine, since we're all just lumps of cells? Yes. During the first two weeks, babies can be classified as 'lumps of cells', but if I had the chutzpah to take a bunch of bird eggs and smash them all, that'd be pretty sick. Not because the birds inside are, by definition, alive, but because they were going to be. And I didn't give them a chance.

6. You know what other kinds of families have kids who grow up troubled? Gay families. I don't see you complaining there, though. I also think you're doubting mothers a bit. Just because they were raped, doesn't mean they can't turn it around and raise their kid. And not all rape victims choose to abort.

"After my rape, I found out I was pregnant. At first, I was set on abortion. But the nice people at the clinic convinced me there was a better way. I decided to look at the baby in new light. I no longer saw it as an awful burden and a consequence of someone's sick crime, but a good thing amidst all my turmoil. I've been raising Felix very happily now. Sure, it has been a struggle, and I don't look forward to explaining where he came from, but it's a journey I've been happy to take."

-Stacey Bowrey, a 22 year old rape victim from Ontario, Canada. 

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to satyrbones [2017-02-04 21:44:03 +0000 UTC]

Oh my god are you still replying. After this I aint bothering because people like you are brick fucking walls.

"1. Abortions happen well after a baby has developed it's first signs of being truly human. Proof shows that babies feel every single thing that happens during an abortion- especially the pain of literally being sucked into a tube from it's own mother."
Only time that is ever true is during late pregnancies. Where the mother choices abortion or death. Usually they prefer abortion. And I do not believe it is actually painful at all.

"2. The mother is the driver of her OWN body. The baby is a passenger. When a mother aborts, she's pretty much crashing her car into a ditch with a baby inside."
So the woman does own her body. Not some parasite. 

"3. So you'd rather just kill an innocent life then give it a chance in foster homes or adoption. Plenty of children who were given up for adoption have lived good lives- just read the back of a Wendy's cup. There's also no 'bills' or adoption- however there are tons for abortion. You have to have healthcare if something goes wrong, they only accept certain kinds- don't forget that abortion is just a doctor's money grab."
Oh my god you fucking idiot; thousands are Not adopted. Some go mental. Some struggle to even live normally! Just because what, 100 or less or more get adopted doesn't mean they all fucking do.
In america you are charged for healthcare. And it's usually very expensive. Abortion may just be under the experience and you're free from pain of childbirth
Lol oh look lovely source; a fucking cup.

"4. A couple without money shouldn't be having sex in the first place. There's this little thing called 'Natural Family Planning.' Have sex when you want a kiddo. If not, don't take the risk. "
Sex is for pleasure you fucking moron.

"5. So we're all cells. Does that mean if I went out and murdered my parents it'd be fine, since we're all just lumps of cells? Yes. During the first two weeks, babies can be classified as 'lumps of cells', but if I had the chutzpah to take a bunch of bird eggs and smash them all, that'd be pretty sick. Not because the birds inside are, by definition, alive, but because they were going to be. And I didn't give them a chance."
No because after 6 months (I think. Or less) the fetus is classified as alive. It's nothing but a fertilized egg who can't do fuck all. 
I also take it by your little smashing eggs part that you don't eat chicken eggs? Those, by your definition, are babies too.

"6. You know what other kinds of families have kids who grow up troubled? Gay families. I don't see you complaining there, though. I also think you're doubting mothers a bit. Just because they were raped, doesn't mean they can't turn it around and raise their kid. And not all rape victims choose to abort."
I personally know someone who has a lesbian family and he has grown fine. In fact when he mentioned it there was barely a battered eyelid about it. No laughs no problem. Just acceptance. You think fetus's are babies but yet can't think children with gay families are fine? You're a fucking moron.
Not all choose to get rid of it but they should have the choice to. Some would abuse the child. 

Now I am bored and fed up with talking to a brick wall so I am done. Have a nice day and I hope a rusty nail get's stuck in your foot.

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KashmiraDragonGodess In reply to TheWingedSkeleton [2018-02-28 17:41:10 +0000 UTC]

Okay I took a child development class in high school. I don't think very many people do or have the option based on their school.my school happened to have one.

I learned a lot of stuff necessary from raising an infant to watching the full development process of a fetus in the womb.  Each video was backed up with research from multiple sources. It showed the development process and stated how many weeks of pregnancy certain things happen in the womb. I believe at around six weeks of pregnancy the child develops lungs and a nervous system and can definitely feel pain at this time.

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to TheWingedSkeleton [2015-07-18 10:28:27 +0000 UTC]

I haven't read that they have however I haven't read that they dont either...I think that's a tricky one 8o 

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to HelloThere9999 [2015-05-26 22:58:31 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow XD 

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to Bonbon88 [2014-06-19 14:33:22 +0000 UTC]

It's funny how men who have no idea about pregnancy try to say females can't. To me, the only males that should talk to you about abortion is a doctor or a lover (Deciding if you want to keep it and if you dont, then talk about meeting an abortionist)

Though sadly I have heard of some cases of people who get tricked into fake abortion clinics and tied to a chair/table and forced to agree not to go though the abortion because they have their pants taken away. If they dont they leave naked. 

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Bonbon88 In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2014-06-25 16:17:55 +0000 UTC]

I thought about something smart to say to this...
but I have no words.
It's horrible.. unspeakable actions taken by people who can't even begin to understand what this MEANS for a female person.
I hope someday people like this will receive suitable punishment for this.

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LazyCatLady In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2014-06-19 20:37:34 +0000 UTC]

some people dont believe in god dumb ass. also scientific studies show that a fetus isnt alive. its like a yoke from a chicken egg or smnthing

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satyrbones In reply to LazyCatLady [2017-02-04 00:55:51 +0000 UTC]

Actually, science proves that the fetus is in fact a life at stages before the stage sutible for abortion. And what does it matter? It is GOING to be a life. And you're taking that away from it before it even has a chance.

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LazyCatLady In reply to satyrbones [2017-02-04 15:38:30 +0000 UTC]

Lmfao what a fucking joke. 
Also what about in the case of rape? 
We're over populated as it is, so you'll force a mother to carry a child she didn't want only to reject it and give that child a rough life? 
Once it has a heartbeat I'll consider it life. But while it's forming and the woman or girl still has the option to abort for medical reasons or because they were raped, they should be allowed to. There are different reasons to get an abortion, you know
 

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satyrbones In reply to LazyCatLady [2017-02-04 18:59:30 +0000 UTC]

Of course there are other reasons. The whole 'what about rape????' argument is just a knee jerk reaction y'all have. Only an extremely low amount of unwanted pregnancies are the cause of rape. In those cases there are plenty of places a mother can go where she can get help and supplies, OR put the child up for adoption instead of spending hundreds on an abortion. 

And just fyi, the baby has a heartbeat at four weeks.

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LazyCatLady In reply to satyrbones [2017-02-06 19:12:46 +0000 UTC]

well shit sex ed lied then. Also, I am on the fence about abortion. A woman or girl shouldn't be forced to have her life come to a halt and forced to give birth if she was raped or has health issues. 
Those are the cases that should be allowed to have an abortion. 
Also giving birth and the supplies needed during pregnancy are more costly than an abortion. 
Then again, those are the cases that make up the reasons why women get abortions in the first place.
Also since I'm a bit of an asshole and seeing your shit arguments that you just keep repeating; I'll just say this:

You're asserting that giving birth is the "responsible" choice in the event of a pregnancy, but that's just your opinion . I'd argue that if a mother knows she won't be able to provide for her child, it's actually more responsible to have an abortion, and in doing so prevent a whole lot of undue suffering and misery.

But let's look at this argument a bit further. If you think getting an abortion is "avoiding responsibility," that implies that it's a woman's responsibility to bear a child if she chooses to have sex. That sounds suspiciously like you're dictating what a woman's role and purpose is, and a lot less like you're making an argument about the life of a child. 

"Adoption"?

This implies that the only reason a woman would want to get an abortion is to avoid raising a child, and that isn't the case. Depending on the circumstances, the mere act of having a child in a hospital  can cost between $3,000 and $37,000 in the United States. Giving birth is dangerous, too: In the United States, pregnancy complications are the sixth most common cause of death  for women between the ages of 20 and 34.

Even before birth, there are costs to pregnancy. In addition to the whole "carrying another human being around in your stomach for nine months" thing, many women, particularly teens, are shunned and shamed  for their pregnancies — not only by friends, families , employers, and classmates, but also by advertisements in the subway . There's also the risk of violent retribution from abusive partners and parents.

In short, there are a lot of reasons a woman might seek an abortion. Adoption doesn't address all of them.

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Kheelaia In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2014-06-12 13:07:45 +0000 UTC]

Nope, nope, nope.

It's not murder, that's first.

Killing three years old girl is wrong, because she feels it and her fqamily is actualy attached to her, and they'll miss her.
Killing unborn child is even BLESSING to it, as if their mother doesn't want it, they won't have a happy childhood, and it causes WHOLE LIFE sad and feeling worthless.
Also unborn child doesn't feel when it's aborted ;-;

Oh, maybe you don't accept capital punishment (death sentence) then?

Yes, but killing of a different kind.

Because it's act of killing, not murder.

God doesn't exist deal with it.

Nope. Not okay.

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coconut-eater In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2014-02-28 12:29:47 +0000 UTC]

 “But I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking. If all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, and why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of what pro-life is.”

-Sister Joan Chittister

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Ethereal-Paper In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2014-02-25 21:43:38 +0000 UTC]

If they were aborted, the mother obviously had a good reason.

Possible reasons:

Oh wait, I shouldn't have to list these because it is none of your damn business.

Get your nose out of other peoples' business, and stop trying to spread the 'word of god'. I have a multitude of religious friends that do support abortion. You know why? They know that people have their reasons. If your God truly didn't want these things happening, don't you think he would have stopped it a long time ago? Just like he should have stopped those wars in Iraq, or should have stopped those murders happening everywhere in the world.

But no, you believe that a creature without a brain, heartbeat, or any other ability to call it human, is worth more than the youthful lives it could save.

Get your head out of your ass, and open your shit-encrusted eyes, you poor soul. 

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DaniiRoo In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2013-12-21 18:56:00 +0000 UTC]

Woah, woah. Calm down. Please.

This stamp is in no way forcing opinions onto others, but your reaction certainly is. Okay, so you may view abortion as murder - but, please, refrain from screaming about that. Some of us are okay with abortion and don't appreciate those who try and shove it down our throats that abortion is morally wrong.

Oh, leave God out of this, please. Those are your views; not God's, don't blame your strong opinions on whoever God is. And mother's abort their unborn foetus for many reasons. If you really want to involve God and his views in this- think of the quality of life. What if the mother and family cannot provide for the child once it's born? What if it's in the mother's and unborn foetus' best interest for it to be aborted for, say, health reasons? Surely this God that you speak of values quality of life enough to make abortion acceptable in some cases?

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MADZchickenFreak In reply to DaniiRoo [2013-12-21 19:00:43 +0000 UTC]

They are God's views too. 

Ever hear of "Tho shall not murder" ?    

But honestly, I'm done here.

No one will listen to me so why waste my breath.

Bye.

And please don't say God doesn't exist like that other person did.

Although, all that does is draw me closer to Him.   

I'm finished.

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coconut-eater In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2014-02-28 12:18:16 +0000 UTC]

would God rather the children suffer or go straight to heaven because they have never sinned 

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DaniiRoo In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2013-12-21 19:14:02 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I am aware of that commandment. However, not everyone views abortion as murder. Perhaps nobody is listening because of the way you're putting yourself across... Instead of taking on board how others feel on the topic, you appear to have this idea that your opinion is the right way. Which is wrong. We're all human, we're all entitled to varied opinions on things and we shouldn't try to force our beliefs on others - it's not fair.

I am neither saying that God does or does not exist, again, that is a personal belief.

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MADZchickenFreak In reply to DaniiRoo [2013-12-21 19:16:47 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for everything.

 I must go.

There's a lotta people I'm going to have to think about tonight. 

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DaniiRoo In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2013-12-21 19:21:55 +0000 UTC]

Mm, you're welcome?

I apologise that we had to argue, I just felt that it was unfair of you to react like that; I have nothing against your religion or the fact that you oppose abortion, I just didn't agree with how you put those views across.

Thank you.

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MADZchickenFreak In reply to DaniiRoo [2013-12-21 19:22:53 +0000 UTC]

You are a very patient person and I am grateful for that.  

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to MADZchickenFreak [2013-12-21 17:55:28 +0000 UTC]

I'm in the uk.

It's not killing a baby. It's a fetus. Therefore, not human. It's like getting an egg that's meant to be eaten and calling it a chicken.

God doesn't exist, sweetie

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littlemouseplz In reply to Ellen-the-Liepard [2014-01-01 20:26:38 +0000 UTC]

I find this funny.    Fetus is actually the Latin word for baby.   

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Ellen-the-Liepard In reply to littlemouseplz [2014-01-01 20:34:14 +0000 UTC]

And they were eaten in China! c:

Besides, they're parasites :/

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