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MSAAustin In reply to NicksterDagames [2018-07-03 03:54:59 +0000 UTC]

Speculation, Imagine you have powers light or dark, and you wonder what happens if i do this to that you mess around and see outcomes of your experimental curious actions, Seath must have been messing around with the dark arts to create a servent?(Speculation this is)

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emlan In reply to silver-haired-sadist [2017-08-31 14:57:58 +0000 UTC]

I don't really see anything plausible with this tbh, the idea that Filianore was actually holding a fertile egg in the first place even feels off...

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silver-haired-sadist In reply to emlan [2017-08-31 15:14:08 +0000 UTC]

Why would it not be plausible? She does have a dragon in the city with her:

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emlan In reply to silver-haired-sadist [2017-09-02 09:53:22 +0000 UTC]

Midir is not important enough character for his/their egg to be such a core part of the whole...ringed city "setup"...She might not even be holding an egg from an actual living creature since it's most likely just there for beautiful ~symbolism~ imagery.
There doesn't even seem to have been room inside the egg for anyone since at least half has some kinda material spilling out of it. It also gives the impression it was just now broken.

Would Midir even lay an egg since he's a male dragon? Did Filianore lay the egg then? It's feels silly.

Please link me the actual thread though I wanna see where they're coming from proper.

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silver-haired-sadist In reply to emlan [2017-09-05 14:02:58 +0000 UTC]

Took me a while to find it lol. Here's the link: www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/co…

Regarding your line of thinking, I don't think that we can count Midir out simply because he has regarded as just a simple dragon in a city. This theory could actually make him a very important character beyond a simple boss.

In some mythical legends dragons actually don't have a specific sex and are all capable of reproduction. I'm not saying the dragons in DS are like that, although we don't exactly get a biology lesson on them so who knows. Quite a few people believe that Gwynevere gave birth to Priscilla because either Seath experimented on her, or she willingly got frisky with him. Perhaps she had an egg too? The DS story is weird lol Especially Gwyn's family.

Personally I don't see how you can tell the egg was recently broken by looking at the goop inside. Also, I'm not saying Yorshka sprouted out of it fully grown Athena-style. She was most likely a baby once and she could very easily have fit inside that egg. I mean it is pretty huge, so it's not that far-fetched. The origin of the egg may be unknown but we know that the egg itself must have been important if a daughter of Gwyn is holding onto it.

There are also links to Irithyll that the author of the post didn't mention, like how the Spears of the Church are remarkably similar in function to the Blades of the Darkmoon. There are also statues eerily similar to the Silver Knight squire ones in Irithyll, carved into the Spears shrine outside of the church, only they have their heads missing.

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The NPCs summoned in the boss fight are also Painting Guardians, who guarded over the original Painted World in DS1 and we just so happen to find a set in Irithyll at Yorshkas Church. Also another funny coincidence is that Yorshka has a spear weapon associated with her. It's a sure sign that there is definitely a link between Irithyll and TRC, possibly a far deeper one than what can be seen on the surface.

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emlan In reply to silver-haired-sadist [2017-09-14 19:04:42 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for digging it out for me! Interesting read...
OP is basing a lot of their theory on the "Gwyndolin statues" being so prominent but that's a problem for me too since it feels to me Gwyndolin is the one who's been dressing like the statues and not the other way around...

I wish I could think about it in a more romantic way but for both the formerly mentioned statues and the squire/spear ones I'm leaning heavily into simple asset recycling and not tru lore. Still though, painting guardians and all other anor londo detailing might as well be due to Gwyn's old influence and nothing to do with Gwyndolin poking around later?
 
I've never liked the idea that Gwynevere is Priscilla's mom but I am actually onboard with the premise that dragons are sex/genderless. Midir producing an egg however...I don't think I'll ever be able to accept it as anything but a 100% beautiful and delicate prop.

Both Filianore and Yorshka has very elfish designs compared to other characters, so if anything I'd say that would be the biggest "proof", hehehe

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silver-haired-sadist In reply to emlan [2017-09-18 08:54:53 +0000 UTC]

Gwyndolin dressing like the statues? That doesn't make any sense since he's been the only one wearing the moonlight set and those statues are depicting him not someone else.  We also only see those statues in Dark Souls 3. They were never in DS1. 

I saw someone mention reused assets in a video on Youtube about this theory. The main problem with that, is that there are far less confusing statues they could have used. The Gwyn statue in Anor Londo for example could have been used on the doors instead if they didn't want to imply anything deeper. But they specifically chose to use the Gwyndolin statue instead. That definitely means something. 

Like I said, we only ever see these new statues in DS3. Gwyndolin never had any statues of himself in DS1 Anor Londo, yet in DS3 they are everywhere. We also know Gwyn didn't think too highly of his last son. So it doesn't make any sense lore wise or timeline wise that Gwyn would put statues of his lastborn son on the front of Filianores chapel. Statues that only appeared in DS3 mind you.

The theory that guy wrote did say how Gwyndolin had claimed the title of King of the Gods in DS3, which is confirmed in the Japanese version of the game, so when the giant talks about "the Kings Decree" he could very well be referring to Gwyndolin, given all the connections to Irithyll, a city ruled by the moon god.

As for the egg, I firmly believe it is linked to Yorshka. Filianore is a daughter of Gwyn, so it has to have been important. 

Dragons being gender-less and/or capable of asexual reproduction has been a theme around quite a few fictional books and shows. It is really interesting to think the dragons in DS could be like that, but then again we don't know.

Personally for me, this theory is pretty solid. I never did actually stop to look at my surroundings in the TRC until I read it xD

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emlan In reply to silver-haired-sadist [2017-09-21 08:45:48 +0000 UTC]

We never visit the Irithyll area in DS1 so ofc the statues aren't seen, DS3 is also adding a whole bunch of lore that they didn't even consider back when making DS1 originally so DS1 appearabnces or not is a moot point.

The idea I'm getting at is that "gwyndolin's robes" are actually a garb for high status moon appreciates in general so it's given he's wearing one too. Makes perfect sense! Well, I say this but I guess it really is more likely they depict him as he seem to have been more of an "known" figure for real now later on.

Gwyn not liking Gwyndolin I thought only was "confirmed" as fanon, what proof is there outside of him not having statues in Anor Londo again? Since Gwyndolin hates his appearance it's possible he's the one who didn't want his form seen all over.

If 'Dolin has been visiting TRC to doll it up with his own likeness why is there no Gwynevere statues too since he seem to have held her in extremely high regard?

Furthermore Shira only mentions Gwyn as the True God and she's seem to have been around forever, if Gwyndolin really wanted to truly make himself known or even overshine Gwyn why isn't she hinting at such an offense? You can argue that Gwyndolin still wants to honor his father since he was very devoted in DS1 and that's why Gwyn should still be regarded as top dog by people like Shira, but then why isn't there more statues of him too?

DS3 overall is very sloppy with it's lore with multiple conflicting info on various elements, the idea that they didn't 100% think about the implication reusing or making statue assets is sadly a very real possibility.

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silver-haired-sadist In reply to emlan [2017-09-21 11:37:53 +0000 UTC]

Irithyll didn't exist in DS1. That much is pretty clear. So the statues never existed back then. I agree DS3 has added some new lore that kind of calls DS1 into question, like Gwyndolin being Gwyn's last child, but it's clear that there were never any statues of the former at all in DS1 Anor Londo.

I don't think I've ever heard of the Moonlight robes being a ceremonial article of clothing for moon-worshippers. That seems a little bit far-reaching since we've never heard of anything like that in all three games. We never see anyone else wearing it and the description of his robes don't allude to them being some sort of universal dress code for high-profile moon worshippers. It wouldn't make sense either seeing how Gwyndolin basically WAS the moon and a god, like how Gwyn was the sun. 

What proof is there that Gwyn didn't like Gwyndolin? Raising him as a daughter is one piece of evidence. I've seen people say "Oh it's because he's affiliated with the moon which is inherently female, so Gwyn had no choice" which just doesn't make sense since by that logic Gwynevere, who is affiliated with sunlight would have been raised as a boy. So that could imply Gwyn considered his son so weak he might as well be a girl, using the moon as an excuse. The appearance of the reversal ring also backs this up heavily since it clearly shows he wasn't inherently feminine. The lore also says he considered himself repulsive but possesses (or at least DID posses) a deep adoration of the sun (i.e; Gwyn) and like you said, he never had any statues dedicated to him.

You also have to ask why Gwyndolin even thought of himself as repulsive in the first place. That has to come from somewhere. His family also don't appear to have done much to dissuade his low opinion of himself either. Seems like a classic case of a neglected/abused child to me. The Reversal Ring description also said he behaved like a sullen, brooding goddess. Sullen and brooding aren't signs of a happy person and this was in his youth as well apparently, when the Age of the Gods was still going.

For me at least, it seems pretty clear that Gwyndolin was the black sheep of the family and was treated as such. I did like your short comic of it where Gwyn just shoots down his last son even though he got an A on his report xD Poor Gwyndolin.

Did Gwyndolin hold Gwynevere in high regard? I haven't personally seen any lore that gives us a little insight into what exactly the two thought of each-other. That's pretty much the case with all the god siblings, apart from Yorshka. Maybe I'm wrong, but the most evidence you could put towards that, is his use of Gwynevere's image in DS1 to trick mortals into thinking the gods were still in charge, but I think that's more to do with the fact that he just didn't want to show his own face and his brother had already been banished from Anor Londo so he couldn't use his image. Perhaps the fact that there are no Gwynevere statues means the opposite. Like I said, the relationship between Gwyn's children is practically unknown apart from Yorshka.

Why does Shira mention Gwyn as being the true god? I honestly don't know xD Like you said, DS3 just dribbles lore onto the floor, but we try and piece together whatever we can.

The reusing assets thing I still find to be a very slippery-slope. If we can dismiss certain things as "reused assets" how could we possibly know if anything is true? Where is the line drawn between reused assets and purposely used assets? People could dismiss the whole game story with that logic. Since there would be no time/effort difference between using a Gwyn or Gwyndolin statue in TRC, I personally believe they consciously chose to use the latters image for a reason.

I get where you are coming from 100% though. Scepticism is what makes discussions like this interesting.

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silver-haired-sadist In reply to scigz17 [2017-08-31 14:33:10 +0000 UTC]

I'd find that dounin funny, if there wasn't incorrect lore in it.

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emlan In reply to scigz17 [2017-08-29 14:34:12 +0000 UTC]

your boner is clouding your judgment friend

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scigz17 In reply to emlan [2017-08-30 13:21:45 +0000 UTC]

Nothing is clouded about my judgement here, aside from the "entertainment" I appreciate the line-work and occasionally the touchingly sweet and/or stories I sometimes find whenever I delve into the wonderful and terrifying realm of doujins.

Sure most are what you expect from doujins, but then there are those that bring out some laughs I can't help but treasure it, especially when it feature characters from a series I like.

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emlan In reply to scigz17 [2017-08-30 19:22:31 +0000 UTC]

I liked Mildred too I was referring to seeing an egg pop made you think about boobs popping, the strips aren't really close at all in atmosphere or punch and also the poor judgment of posting lewd artwork to strangers unsolicited lol

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scigz17 In reply to emlan [2017-09-01 11:40:53 +0000 UTC]

Ahhh, I see... sorry for my poor judgement then.

The only connecting factor for me was Gwyndolin, and my mind instantly went with "Shenanigans with Gwyndolin"

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