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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-20 22:52:03 +0000 UTC]

Now that you mention it I can totally see it. Good eye, I wonder if that's intentional.
Universe 11's Destroyer and Angel are my favorite designs of all the gods of destructions and angels but still gotta root for U6!

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-21 17:54:40 +0000 UTC]

I'm much more rooting for either U11 or U7. U7 because main heroes or U11 because of Jiren. As we saw Jiren is basically the most powerful being there that can wipe out everyone if he has to (if everyone else from his team are down), the only time he had to do something was when Kale went berserk where Goku struggles in SSB form, he needed one blast. Also they have to move something forward with that clown. I mean, he's a clown, why he is the one, why he is God of destruction and is that how his race looks or is he just crazy god? They didn't gave him much screen time for now, but still there is something odd about it especially considering that logo and his very existence. I would be very disappointed if they make him as a clown just for shits and giggles considering Toriyama and Toyotaro both worked with this character.

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-21 19:26:05 +0000 UTC]

I like U11 but they're gonna have a hard time winning even with Jiren since they only have 3 fighters left. Jiren is strong but hasn't been helping his teammates and now they're currently in last place, so he needs to start sweeping everyone soon. But if Goku and Vegeta (or Freiza or Hit) team up, they might knock him out.

I honestly see U11 getting 3rd place, 2nd at best. Goku beating Jiren in a last man standing at the time limit or U6 wins by playing smart and keeping the most fighters on stage, maybe with Hit saving them with Time Skip like he did with Caulifla. If U7 wins Goku will probably wish back all the universes and ask Zeno to not destroy them again, but if U6 wins I can see Champa wishing his brother and their universe back.

I hope we see more with U11 races, like if his species just looks like clowns or he dresses that way. They did tease a Beerus/Champa - Dyspo connection so we might learn more about beings in U11. However with Toriyama I can easily see either him or Toyotaro just thinking it’d be really cool for one of the Gods of Destruction and Angel to be an homage to the Joker and Harley Quinn and just running with that. Hopefully they explore it more as the arc goes on.

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-21 23:07:06 +0000 UTC]

Toppo himself told Goku that if Goku is on the same level as Toppo then he has no chance winning against Jiren. Not just it will be harder to put down Jiren, no he clearly said that he has no real chance, that Jiren will destroy him. It's probably true, hell I don't even think that this new form will be more powerful than Jiren, it will be something that will let Goku fight with him as a equal and considering that Toppo finally decide to stop bitching around it will really be hard enough to even get to the Jiren. Rest of the universes still have more teammates, but U11 will now show something special considering how much that last guy knocked from their team protect Dyspo from falling down. Something is about to happen, I feel that.

Also wouldn't that be great if U6 actually lose? Before you call me monster think about how it could affect everyone. Beerus is still arguing and screaming at Champa, but he really cares about him. His erase also can affect VADOS at some point. Even though now she is joking about it, she might feel very hurt and hollow when he'll disappear. It might be really good to develop her character and her relationship with Champa. It could also bring some compassion from Whis toward his sister for her loss and how much he cares about his universe. So lost of U6 might not be that bad as it could be.

And for the clown from U11. You don't make someone look like a clown and not do something with it. That smile of his in the last episode looked too creepy to not get that something is wrong here. And I find him much more intimidating than twin Zenos and their maid (grand priest), they look too damn cute for me. And before you say fat Buu was the same, may I remind about bad half of Buu (who was true villain btw) Super Buu or Kid buu.  

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-22 00:33:22 +0000 UTC]

Rewatching the fight between Toppo and Goku I'd say Goku is probably stronger then Toppo rather than even. While Toppo took an Instant Kamehameha I'd say he only has a better defense/bulk then Goku. Goku seems stronger and much faster in general and that's before he used Kaio-ken Blue. As for Jiren, he one-shot Kale and if Whis was talking about him he is stronger than Beerus and his God of Destruction (Belmod/Vermouth or whatever it's going to be) so yeah I doubt Goku even with a new form can beat him one-on-one. Tag teaming or maybe fusion (although unlikely) are probably how Jiren will have to be taken down.

You monster . If U6 does get erased it would absolutely crush Beerus, he acts aloof to Champa but clearly he loves his brother. Vados seems to treat Champa like a project, like if she can just get to eat healthy and only destroy specific things that her universe would be ranked #1. If she lost him she might take it as a personal failure that she didn't train him well enough or pick a good enough team. Vegeta would lose his apprentice Cabba and Goku would lose a rival and friend(?) in Hit. Also the U6 sayains are my favorite new character in the show and I want to see more of them so I'm rooting for U6 or a Goku wish to un-erase them.

I don't think the clown is going to be doing much besides watching. I like him and his style a lot, he does have some great creepy looking shots especially in episode 101, but he reacts too scared to his guys getting knocked out to seem to have a plan beyond have Jiren win for him. Khai his Supreme Kai actually comes of more the schemer as he keep reassuring him and was also the one who had that secret meeting with the other Kais before the tournament to try and get it cancelled. However we probably have plenty of episodes to learn more, Jiren will be there up to the end so there's tons we could see.

If anyone has alternative plans though it does seem to be the Grand Priest, we just learned the Zenos can't see high speed fighting so I get the feeling that they aren't actually strong at all and just have access to one technique, Erasure, and the Grand Priest is manipulating them to further his goals. Maybe to eliminate warriors who could become stronger than him like Jiren or Goku?

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-22 14:42:58 +0000 UTC]

For me U6 erase could really bring some emotional and tragic theme to this arc. Fights are great here, but story and character development is just bland and is not bringing any emotions in most part. Goku black arc did it MUCH better with us actually being scared about Future Trunks and his world and that moment when Mai was shooting at the sky out of rage at zamasu for killing everyone is one of the most powerful scenes in whole Dragon Ball franchise to me. Also I would love to see some backstory of some Pride Troopers. Something to show us why they exist, what is story behind Toppo, Jiren or Dyspo. What is making them so determined about protecting their universe. Also I felt a HUGE let down when I saw that none of the actually care about that they're taking part in killing BILLIONS of lives. It could be really interesting to see one of them to actually have some moral dilemma about what they're doing is right. It just feels emotionally flat in comparison to Goku Black arc that is for me best arc in the franchise. 

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-22 16:35:50 +0000 UTC]

We did get a little emotion in episode 99 where all the fighting stopped for the first few minutes as they realized the Zenos really were erasing the losers and than Gohan's reaction to having to knock out Obuni and let Obuni's family be erased to protect his. Gohan definitely looked shaken up and it might come into play later. It probably would have helped to have us explored all the competing universes before the tournament and show what they had to lose.

Thankfully we still have plenty of time for more emotion and character interaction in this arc, it seems like we're going to have maybe 10-20+ more episodes and as the weaker/filler fighters get knocked out they'll hopefully keep exploring relationship like Frieza and Frost or Goku and Toppo/Jiren.

I did really like the Goku Black arc too; Mai shooting at the sky was great! Probably Goku's original Super Sayian transformation after Krillin died or Gohan going SSJ2 after Cell killed 16 would be my favorite dramatic moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if Goku is okay with the erasures because he's planning on using the Super Dragon Balls to revive everyone since he has long been into the habit of just wishing back anyone who's died in an arc. That’s why the Future Trunks timeline always felt more dire to me, Trunks didn't have dragon balls to wish back the people killed by the Androids or Goku Black.

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-22 19:10:47 +0000 UTC]

As I said before most of it is bland. Action with Obuni was great, but look how long this arc goes on and that was just one scene, one episode and it did not left that much of an impact. Showing how Cus and Gohan react to their erase was good, but it's not that memorable because of how little they shown. Also I' really disappointed about lack of any interaction with Jiren and his group. Toppo sometimes will say something to him or they just mention that they need him, but it feels like they know he's there, but nothing more. I actually thought that maybe Jiren has train some Pride Troopers like Dyspo, I really like teacher/student relationships like Vegeta/Cabba and something like that could give some nice backstory for Jiren and Dyspo or show how Jiren met Toppo or let us see why they're Pride Troopers. Anything to make us actually care about someone else than our main cast and Sayians from U6 and past team from Tournament arc. They have good designs and some of them have their own character, but it still feels like a let down.

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-22 23:14:40 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't be surprised if they held onto Jiren's backstory until the last phase of the tournament in order to keep people speculating and talking about him. It is really odd he's only done two things so far, stopping Kale and preparing to destroy Ribrianne's love attack, but he didn't knock either of them out of the ring.

I do suspect Universe 2, 3, and 4 will get erased before the time limit on the tournament is up so we probably won't get to much info on any of their fighters we haven't met yet. But there might be a pleasant surprise like Obuni mixed in so one can hope for that.

Overall I'm enjoying the tournament and as it goes on hopefully the other universes and fighters will get their spotlight episodes.

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-23 15:59:06 +0000 UTC]

I think Jiren is just bored. So many fighters and most of them he can knock out in one blast. He just doesn't care. He'll wait until most of them will knock each other out and end rest of them with very little resistance (considering that most of them will be very hurted and exhausted). I just want to know more about any of those characters backstories. Maybe Jiren being an orphan who after seeing how kids can be hurted by others decide to join Pride Troopers to protect them or Toppo fighting with evil after big genocide of his race, something that can really made us look at this characters from different perspective. 

And funny thing. You should pay attention at how universes are placed in the ending (scene with blue fire). Universe 3 at the 3rd place, U2 at the secon place, and U11 at the first place, because one 1 is not enough, you have to know that they're on the first place. (1!)

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-23 17:07:00 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I think your right about Jiren being bored. It's a big risk and might cost him his universe if he were to be knocked out so he's probably also a bit arrogant, albeit justifiably, not at least assisting him teammates more. I'd say Hit is doing it right, mostly avoiding fights, like letting Goku challenge Jiren, but taking out threats when they appear like Narirama, Kunshi, and almost Dyspo (if not for the 2 saves he got). All the while he's saving his team members like Caulifla when he can. I could definitely see it being Goku vs Hit vs Jiren at the end of all of this.

Whatever Jiren's backstory, I do hope they use all the time they have for this arc to explore it and many of the other key fighters on the other teams.

You could be right about the ending, I know some people think the order the universe 7 fighter are shown in is the order they'll be eliminated in. The opening has no fighters from Universe 3 or 10 which might mean something. However Kale is also shown with the Pride Troopers and U9 was erased first so these could just be what the animators thought would make cool compositions.

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-23 23:06:00 +0000 UTC]

Obuni is in the ending in the distance and that thing about Kale is really interesting. Who knows maybe switching sides when Hit is knocked out with Caulifla and Kale. Temptations of our favorite clown god? It could be interesting twist considering how little they care about their universe considering how nonchalant Caulifla and Kale react to Universe erase thing.

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-23 23:40:50 +0000 UTC]

Well universes can apparently have fighters from other ones on there teams, like when Frieza offered to join U9. It would be a wild twist if someone switched sides mid battle, the Zenos might even allow it just cause it'd be exciting. Frieza and Frost did agree to work together so one or both might betray their teams.

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Robsonfenixv14 In reply to EpsilonTLOSdark4 [2017-08-24 19:14:19 +0000 UTC]

Let's hope they'll not screw it up.

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EpsilonTLOSdark4 In reply to Robsonfenixv14 [2017-08-24 21:19:14 +0000 UTC]

Yup!

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