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Published: 2017-08-22 12:15:34 +0000 UTC; Views: 14878; Favourites: 229; Downloads: 326
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When Axanar meets Discovery.I loved the look of Prelude to Axanar and wished this for a new TV Show. Axanar has shown how to modernize the TOS design to make it still TOS but bring it on a level for a today show. Im unsure if Discovery will create this feeling too, or whether it is not simply a JJ clone. We will see. As long as I have seen no episode, I will not set my opinion.
Rendered in 3d Max 10
Background Nebula painted in Paint Shop Pro 7
Post Work in Adobe After Effects CS6
Axanars USS Ares design by Sean Peter Tourangeau
Ares & Discovery 3d models by David Metlesits
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Bite late to this, although that's news to me actually. Where did you hear about the lead designer?
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The YouTube channel Midnight's Edge. I would recommend watching their videos on Discovery.
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I've seen their videos, though I'm not sure I remember hearing about the bit with the lead designer. Which of the videos was it?
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i think it is this one.Β
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5qVwβ¦
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Now that I hadn't seen before. Think the first video I saw Edge doing regarding STD was after the first trailer came out or something.
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the discovery looks like more a 25th century star ship than a pre TOS eraΒ
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You did a fantastic job with this image, but I will say that after seeing the trailers for STD, seeing the look of the technology, the Kelvin-style Klingons, and the blantant disregard for the fans by suing the Axanar team instead of working with them (I know Alec isn't innocent in that, he did some shady things); I have come to hate "Discovery".Β It is an attempt by the marketing and corporate types at CBS to have their cake and eat it too.Β Never mind the Progressive-SJW bullshit that is in it (I'm an actual Liberal so I hate that crap), the whole look of the show is repugnant.Β Roddenberry rejected Ralph McQuarrie's design because it didn't fit into his vision of Star Trek.Β They should have used Franz Joseph's designs from 1975 (the same time that McQuarrie made this design) as the basis for the discovery.Β There is so much Trek Material out there that CBS owns that they didn't need to use this design.Β
The Ares class from Axanar would be better as would ANY of the ship designs from the Axanar project since CBS can take any of that material since it is technically a work done for free of their property.Β Alec and his team have no intellectual property rights to anything that is a derivative of the works of Star Trek.Β That legal precedent was set decades ago with Star Wars and Battlestar galactica (Lucas won that legal battle).
Again, I'm not complaining at you. Euderion.Β You did a fantastic job here and I like this image.Β My beef is with CBS and this horrid project they are pushing.Β I will sit out STD because it is a pox on Star Trek's prime universe.Β It would not have even been that great in the JJ-verse due to the SJW message (which is now mainstream and not controversial at all).Β
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Hating the show before i even see the first episode is not my kind of thing. Yes, Discovery doesnt look like how it should be. In that case i like Axanar for what they done with the design. They show how to modernize the TOS style but let it still TOS.
I will watch the pilot-episode, and then i will decide, if i will give them a chance or better watch a rerun on TNG
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It's not so much hate as it is a feeling of "meh, another prequel" about events and a crew I really don't have time to give a darn about.
I think many people would give it a chance if it wasn't behind a pay-wall.Β That's one of the biggest turn-offs for most people.
Also, those of us who would like to have seen Axanar go where no Star Trek show has gone before (the 4-years war) was basically crushed by CBS/Paramount and that has created a schism as well between fans and CBS/Paramount.
Couple that with a general desire (as can be seen on the Trek BBs forums) for stories about Star Trek to go into the post-ST:TNG/DS9/Voyager era instead of the pre-TOS era and you can see why STD isn't being well received.
After watching the trailer and reading about all the SJW crap in STD, I'm giving it a wide berth.Β
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What I would like to know, is why the Discovery people insist on using a ship design that was rejected by Roddenberry himself over 40 years ago? It was originally created by Ralph McQuarrie for the aborted Star Trek: Phase II. (This grew up to become Star Trek The Motion Picture.)
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I dont know, why they want to use this design. It was ugly when the concept was made for phase 2, and it is ugly today. I mean just look at the Shenzhou, the second Starfleet ship we saw in the trailers. It looks good, very good in my opinion. So why not the Shenzhou as main hero ship? We will see in three weeks.
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"I loved the look of Prelude to Axanar and wished this for a new TV Show. Axanar has shown how toΒ modernize the TOS design to make it still TOS but bring it on a level for a today show."
^ This. A thousand times this!
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Sad thing is, the new ST show isn't allowed - technically - to use the style of the TOS era due to legalities.
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From what I've read Discovery reads like SGU: Edgy, pushing boundaries and more dramatic than typical ST programs. In other words won't last and particully will be cruel what with us non streamers getting a pilot episode then Β nothing afterwards. I expect it will be cancelled in two seasons just like SGU. At least Axanar has the varied writing style of previous STs. A pitty it's only fan funded though. Maybe somebody big with network power will take an interest in it. Though liklely they would buy it, re-brand it and lose all the awesome writing style that Axanar is so famous for 'accidently' only to put forth a similar idea a few years latter. <. <
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My greatest fear about Discovery is, that they make it like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead. Dark, gritty, with dieing characters every second episode.
But to this time i first want to watch the pilot before i made a opinion about.
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i'm not really a fan of the Discovery's design but... it's kinda grown on me
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Honestly, who IS a Fan of this design 
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To be fair, DS9 wasn't a human built station originally
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The thing to understand about why Discovery doesn't fit the Prime timeline, design-wise, is that it legally *can't.* Discovery is being produced by Paramount/Bad Robot under the license that they've got. That license includes the *names* of Prime timeline stuff, but not the visual designs. So they literally legally *can't* make a show that fits in the Prime continuity.
Which is what irritates me with them saying it's 10 years before TOS; they're implying that it fits into the Prime continuity when it's very, very obvious that it doesn't -- and can't.
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Even so, I feel somewhat that the Kelvin timeline films managed to incorporate better designs for the era than what we're seeing now...
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I have to disagree with you there. The argument I hear most often is, "Well, you can't use 1960s design aesthetics!"
Actually, you can -- *if* you're clever about it. Guys like Vektor and MadKoiFish prove that you can take the basic Jeffries design and update it for HD -- beautifully. If they can do that with the old lady, there's no reason why that same "classic updated" motif can't be part of the design lineage between Enterprise and TOS -- including Discovery. Well, no reason other than the licensing issue.
So when CBS proposes Discovery as "10 years before Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise", what they're proposing is the science fiction equivalent of a "period piece". That's the challenge they're setting before themselves -- and they're selling us on the idea that they're clever enough to surmount that challenge. Then we get things like Star Trek: Enterprise, the JJ films, and now Discovery, in which the designs reveal: "Haha, just kidding, we weren't even going to try." The licensing quagmire is the only reason I can forgive them for not meeting the challenge. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm happy about them bragging that they're going to try when we know they're legally prohibited against it.
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Really sweet!!! Do you like the look of the new ship so far, in what you have seen? Looks ok to me in the so called leaked clip that's been out. I wish they would stop going retro, and do a seriesΒ with a TNG era and beyond! JMHO.....
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I cannot say, i like the Discovery design. I like the fact, that someone at CBS had enough love for Star Trek to explore the old concepts made in that day, but that dont change the fact, that is a ugly design. I think it will grow on us, but i would prefer the USS Shenzhou as Hero Ship.
For me, i dont understand why Paramount and CBS always going back in time since ST: Enterprise. What we need is a new show placed in the 25th or even 26th Century. There you have no more problems with canon, because everything is new, and you could do whatever you like as a scriptwriter.
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I see them doing all these prequels-that-aren't-prequels as just cynical (and frankly callous or even rude) marketing to grab people with the nostalgia hook.
I don't mind that they're not giving us proper prequels -- I *do* mind that they're stepping on productions that try to, like Axanar -- but what *really* burns my biscuits is that they keep selling us something they have no intention to deliver.
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I think the Axanar design is superior.Β It still holds true to the TOS ship designs, even if it's modified.Β The Discovery looks like something Ralph McQuarrie designed.Β I should know because I saw some sketches of that design in the book "The Art of Star Trek".
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Yes, feel the same. The Ares is the much better looking ship.
The Discovery IS a design by Ralph McQuarrie, made for the Phase2 of Star Trek, before The Motion Picture, when they tryed a new series.
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The bottom ship is a superior design. I hate the Discovery's design. It's better than what it was when they first showed it but it's still too triangular and front heavy.
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Yep, the Discovery lacks the typical style of Starfleet Ships with more round hull designs. I like the Ares much more.
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Great ! Hope the new series is good , i'm not a fan of the JJ movies.
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Im no fan of the JJ movies neither. Absolutly terrible storywriting. I can live with a new look, but Discovery had to be good and deeper meaning stories.
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Ya the new ship looks ok and I think some of the writers of DS9 and TNG are involved in the new series ! Plus I like the actor playing Surak, he was awesome in True Blood !Β
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Thank you very much!
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Excellent work of art 
not sure why they couldn't have just recruited the Axanar team and funded their work, it would have benefited CBS & Paramount big time... plus provided paying jobs to a group of people who deserve to have their shot at the big chance...
it would have also given the fans what we all wanted...Β
but it just said to me that CBS and Paramount are more focused on profit than providing fans with desired shows... I mean what they dont understand is, you make the fans happy, you get more profit... you dont make us happy we dont buy into their stuffΒ
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Apparently the head of CBS sees Star Trek as nothing more than a merchandising license... which is funny because ST
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yeah I had the pleasure of building one of their Marqui Raiders...Β
tbf I must say I am not even looking forward to Discovery, despite being a fan since I watched my first TNG episode...Β
I loved every trek since, even the JJ movies, which in my opinion brought more realistic feel to the table, and sure the lens flare is a bit annoying at times but hey the rest of it I enjoyed so much i can ignore it or at least learn to lol
but their decision to do what they did to Axanar instead of supporting them and profiting from the success, and instead give us something which I honestly would not be surprised if it flopped right out the doorΒ
their methods for the new show goes against everything Roddenberry stood for... and I highly doubt they will blame themselves when it goes tits up, I got a feeling they will blame piracy or some other ridiculous thing 
which is such a shame cos the moment i heard that there was gonna be a new trek I eagerly awaited any info, I now wish i hadn't, however The Orvill looks really good
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Oh, the excuse is already prepared - They're going to say Trek fans (out of ALL fandoms) are just misogynists and racists (remember, this is fans of STAR TREK they will say this about.)
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so very very trueΒ
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Yeah, I heard he doesn't have very much interest or respect for science fiction or anything fantasy based? Think I'd heard that somewhere in a discussion video from Midnight's Edge about a week and a half ago, something like that?
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Yep.Β Midnight's Edge was where I heard about CBS' handling of the franchise (though the AMT model was something I looked up for myself - Nothing Discovery-related.)
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With the shot of the lower warp nacelles, I'm betting that there will be another pair to be flipped to be added to the ship's design.
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