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ORIGINAL FOR COMPARISON:* i.imgur.com/vQowX.jpg
* tompreston.deviantart.com/jour…
This one I pooped out really quickly, and I'm being deliberately abrasive with it. The original piece just bugs the hell out of me, so I just want to underline how ridiculous the piss poor "It's different, so it's bad" logic sounds. Regular Tom's journal on Egoraptor's Sequelitis video concerning Ocarina of Time really pushed me towards drawing this piece.
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In particular, these lines from Regular Tom's journal bothered me (emphasis mine):
* "I’ve always said that Ocarina of Time has been unduly placed upon a pedestal by fans of the Zelda franchise"
* "Ocarina of Time is a great game, but I’ve never felt it deserved the amount of praise that fans have lavished upon it over the years"
The only Zelda game I played in my youth was A Link to the Past, and that did a lot to set the standards for what I consider to be an "entertaining" Zelda game. I never did get around to investing significant playtime in Ocarina of Time until I bought the 3DS version. With that in mind... I have a hard time getting through the OoT-style 3D Zelda games. The transition from 2D to 3D changed a lot of what the core traits are for a "Zelda" game, and so the OoT-style games don't feel "natural" for me to play. On the other hand, Zelda games like the Oracle series and the Minish Cap were more entertaining to me. I admit I'm kind of a nostalgiafag in that respect.
BUT that leads into my main point: if I'm allowed to be a "nostalgiafag" by considering the LttP-style** more entertaining than the OoT-style, then that means other Zelda fans are allowed to be "nostalgiafags" for the OoT-style games. Therefore, OoT's placement as "the best Zelda game" is no more "unduly" than my high placement of LttP. And, while OoT is not my thing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that it is not "[deserving of] the amount of praise" OoT fans have given it, nor do I even care to try to validate my opinions of "LttP is the best! OoT sucks!". Especially since one could levy the same number of legitimate criticisms against LttP.
TL;DR: we've all reached our opinions on Zelda games based on any number of---let's face it---stupid reasons***; how is one stupid reason more or less valid than another?
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(** I say "LttP-style" when it really should be "NES LoZ-style"... but LttP added a lot to the 2D Zelda games which is now considered standard to them since. Plus I find the NES LoZ game extremely hard to play... but that's another story for another time.)
(*** "It's just fun!" is maybe the least stupid reason of them all, but how can one quantify that for the purposes of objective debate? Unless you're the kind of jerk who thinks "fun is a buzzword"...)
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To this day, scientists of the world are still baffled by the petty hatred Preston has for any tiny change in his favorite vidya, especially if it's absolutely normal
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I've yet to play Link to the Past. (Ironic since I played the first two Zeldas, and the others except the Oracle games, FSA and Phantom Hourglass (Played it for a brief moment))
And I remembered Arin's video and I had to say that I'm not that impressed with his arguments against OoT being rather weak. The worst would be his irrelevant slam against Skyward Sword. (He claims everything is handed to you, yet is okay with Link Between Worlds where you can flipping buy ALL the items and Rupees is very easy to get.)
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Yeah, I admit, I STILL think Link to the Past was the best Zelda game ever made.
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I must be some sort of weird freak of nature then because I enjoy all the Zelda games I've played regardless of the style being 2d or 3D. I've been playing games for decades and I'm glad that even after that long I've not become entirely jaded by the medium modern direction nor do I have nostalgia for a preferred game play style of old. You also hear this regarding Resident Evil and how part 4 marked a "before and after" for the entire series.
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Well, there was a before/after to Zelda when it made the shift from 2D to 3D... but that's certainly not a bad thing!
I think, in the end, the only thing that matters is if someone has fun playing a video game. Because that's what games are all about: having fun. If someone didn't have fun with a game... ok, fine, but move on to the next one. Don't spend your life talking about how un-fun a game it.
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Never played a Zelda game in my life, but I think having a grudge of Link's hair color (and the rest of the original tompreston comic) is the most pettiest thing to have a hissy fit over.
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There are bigger things in life to strive for than Link's hair color, or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, etc.
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TomP has such a bug up his butt over Zelda, it's so weird. I mean, the Zelda games are my all-time favorite video games, but it's not like I attack people for their preferences. That's just dumb. Each game has its merits. And like a lot of other comments have said, it's kind of hard to compare the 2D and 3D games, they're very different in tons of ways.
The best thing about TomP and Zelda is still his hissyfits about Link's hair, though. The way he insists on drawing newer blonde Link with the older style of brown hair is so hilariously childish. Wasn't he also the one who was convinced Link was supposed to have pink hair in a 2D game, rather than it just being a graphical limitation?
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I grew up with the Legend of Zelda and Mario cartoons as well, and--admittedly--accepted "brown hair" (or "dirty blonde" at lightest) Link as the norm. But I also accepted "Princess Toadstool" and Mario was from Brooklyn and wore red overalls with either a brown or blue shirt:
* www.nes-snes-sprites.com/Image…
When the day came that Link was specifically blonde, Princess Toadstool became "Princess Peach" and Mario was just a Mushroom Kingdomite with blue overalls and a red shirt... I was all "...ok. Thats it then."
The day may come when Princess Peach turns into "Queen Peach" (after marrying "King Mario") and Link is permanently turned into a Samurai or whatever. So be it. They arent my characters, and even if they make up a part of my childhood, change is just a part of life. You either learn to accept it, or waste the rest of your life complaining about it.
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Well about the Peach/Toadstool thing, In Japan she was always called Princess Peach ever since the first game. It was the American version that renamed her Toadstool. They later started using her Japanese name! That is why we have the Toadstool/Peach thing.
legendsoflocalization.com/supe…
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I think my personal opinion says Link to the Past as a better game, but Ocarina of Time is damn good too.
I think comparing the two is like comparing Apples to Oranges though! It's really a matter of if you prefer the 3-D style of the Nintendo 64 or the overhead classic of old!
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There was definitely a split between the 2D and 3D games, and what is expected of each game. This difference is a fact of life, and complaining about it won't change anything.
At the time I hated it (which is why I never owned an N64 at the time)... but I've long since accepted---nay, embraced---it, once I realize that the 3D-style games of Mario, Zelda, etc, won't change what makes the 2D-style games of said franchises so great. The 2D-styles withstood the test of time, and the 3D-styles don't replace them as much as complement them.
In other words: neither 2D- and 3D-style games are "better" than one another... instead, they are equal partners.
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The only Zelda's games I've played are :
Four Swords(on GameCube)
Wind Waker (NGC)
Ocarina of Time
My favorites are
Wind Waker, because of how free you can be.
I took almost 2/3 of the time I've played simply to discover new islands unrelated to the quests.
And Four Swords, no delay to when you use your sword and I loved the puzzles where you had to team up.
Bosses with Shadow Links were my favorites(especially with the music)
The thing Arin, Dobson and others don't get is most LoZ are about you(as Link) exploring, fighting and surviving to either rescue Zelda or the Kingdom.
Each games have simply a different way to make yourself be one with Link and his sudden change of life.
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>> Each games have simply a different way to make yourself be one with Link and his sudden change of life.
I honestly.... honestly... I really like that line. It really justifies the differences in each game...!
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I've had the patience to beat every Zelda game except for The Adventure of Link (too hard), Link's Awakening (constantly reequipping items), and A Link to the Past (generally uninteresting). A Link Between Worlds is one of my new favorites, but that's because the sense of freedom it gives you is much closer to the original Legend of Zelda.
But my first Zelda game was Four Swords Adventures, and I played it when I was 13, so what does that say about me?
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I think it says youre a fairly dedicated fan of the Zelda games!
We can have our favorite games, and we may disagree with one another on what those games may be... but for anyone to start trying to claim that any one of the games are objectively better or worse than any other games... now thats just silly.
I say, if youre having fun, thats all that matters. If youre NOT, then try a different game.
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I love how tompreston raises non-issues as issues. What a casual
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Everything about the original was a nonissue, absolutely.
I argue that some of the things he didn't like (as mentioned in his comic) was nothing more than a natural progression of the series. Especially seeing non-Pig Ganon(dorf); LttP clearly stated that he was corrupted into his pig form... meaning he had to have been a human. Thus "Human Ganondorf". Sheesh...!
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>doesn't like Gorons
>doesn't like Zoras
>doesn't like based Ganondorf
>spoilers: Ganondorf turned into a pig in the final battle
>"I don't leik Blondes guys"
>Navi didn't even talk that much and was the only sidekick
You already pointed out how Lttp was already fucking up the timeline.
Takes for giving me a migraine about shit opinions.
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* Gorons seemed like a natural evolution of Hyrule; no different than the peaceful Zoras in LttP
* No, see, Zoras are supposed to look UGLY. Not the handsome ones from OoT. BLASPHEMY!
* Man... LttP clearly states that Ganondorf was corrupted into his pig form, Ganon. That means he had a non-corrupted form: a human. Again, OoT's Ganondorf is just a natural evolution of the story.
* Link's hair has always been "dirty blonde" to me. And even if the original Link had straight-up dark brown hair, it's a different Link. They all look kinda different. This is a non-issue.
* Navi, at least when I played 3DS OoT, was hardly annoying at all. No more annoying than when Sahasrahla would contact me out of nowhere in LttP.
The gameplay of OoT is one thing, but the story is something that I can't believe someone would be so shitty to want to reject.
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* The handsum Zoras start grew on me, especially during MM. Who isn't to say the Zoras got uglier after Ganondorf fucked up their population after the whole freezing thing. [There is properly incest involved.]
*Several Zelda gaemes have been guilty of continuity issues and unresolved plots. I never knew if OoT/MM Link ever found Navi.
Bonus for using Egoraptor just to circlejerk on your DA journal. Don't you find it funny that Ego keeps bitching about vidya even when in his WW playthough he can't even find the shield and took an hour to get off the island?
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"This famous guy agrees with me, so that means I'm absolutely right!"
Appeal to Celebrity fallacy by any other name.
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This is why I don't get too involved with video games, TV shows, book or movie franchises
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I generally dont either. The only real position I take is "I enjoy XXXX only because its entertaining to me"... and only jackasses try to argue against that.
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Not to mention that they discontinued the great character of Gwonam, for reasons I cannot imagine.
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Dont forget Error was well!
Seriously though; I would love to be able to revise those CDi games so that theyre completely playable.
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They probably felt that he must be used in moderation otherwise his charm and appeal would wear off. He'll be back in the next Zelda, mark my works.
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I read his retarded journal and stopped the moment he said "the brilliance that is Link to the past". It just shows the irony of him insulting OoT fans when he treats LttP like perfection.
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Look, I enjoyed LttP, but I will readily admit its flaws, which are numerous. For me to treat it as flawless---nay, "brilliant"---would be me being completely delusional.
Regular Toms attitude on that Sequelitis is more "See? Im not saying that I am right about OoT, but I am right about OoT" than anything else.
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"Someone famous said something about OoT, let me talk about that to support my old bullshit"
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