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Exifia In reply to Jewel-Wing [2018-03-17 22:28:57 +0000 UTC]

You are so right about that! It always bothers me a bit when I see a dragon skeleton and the wings are just glued on the spine. How would they ever move those wings without a joint? There's more to it than simpy glue wings on it.

Also, good question! The wing scapula's are horizontally, so the humerus can move from backwars (with folded in wings) to forward (spread wings). Those are not limited in any way. The front paw scapula's are placed vertically on the sides of the ribs. The muscles will connect, but the front paw scapula's will not clash into the wing scapula's. The only movement that can be limited is an upward movement of the front paws above the head, since the wing clavicles will be in the way. So it will have to lower it's head if it wants to 'wash' their head like a cat. But it will have enough range to run and be able to grab things (like a squirrel).

Also yes, it was certainly a tricky job to get them right haha!

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Jewel-Wing In reply to Exifia [2018-03-18 21:25:39 +0000 UTC]

I know right? I'm also not sure about the ones that have one scapula with both arm and wing joints on it, it seems like something odd would happen there like the arms and wings having to move together... but I don't know enough about anatomy to know if it would work or not xD

Thanks for the detailed description! It's good to hear that the movement isn't restricted, not being able to raise the arms high doesn't seem like a big handicap, especially since I don't think dogs are capable of raising their arms very high either (just based on my experience asking my dog to give paw). On a side note, a squirrel-dragon sounds so cute

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Exifia In reply to Jewel-Wing [2018-03-19 18:19:00 +0000 UTC]

No, it would just not move good at all! That's like two fists in one bowl. They will be totally in the way of each other Also the attachment of the muscles would be very wrong. Somebody recommend the book "the Resurrectionist" to me after seeing this dragon. It is about from somebody who tried to 'prove' that mythical figures could have lived or something like that. With anatomical drawings. So I am quite curious about that book!

Also that's true! The movement will be the same as a dog. What kind of dog you you have? A squirrel-dragon could become a real cute drawing

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Jewel-Wing In reply to Exifia [2018-03-20 00:48:47 +0000 UTC]

Usually it's one scapula with a socket on either end of it so at least they won't be grinding around together like two fists in a bowl but yeah I don't think the muscles will work very well!
That book looks interesting, the illustrations sure look pretty! I'll put it on my wishlist so a family member might hopefully get it for me for my birthday

He's an English cocker spaniel called Cody! He's very well trained since my sister works as a dog trainer so he's a pretty good dancer as a result Next time I draw a dragon I may just use a squirrel as a pose reference!

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Exifia In reply to Jewel-Wing [2018-03-22 12:29:34 +0000 UTC]

Oops, in that case I misunderstood you! One scapula with two sockets, fairly intersting.. That would be indeed a two in one movement, since the scapula moces a lot while running/flying.

Also aww, that's so cute!! I have trained my own dog the simple tricks like paw and lie down and as 'highlight' to stand on two legs too, but dancing? Haha! That is absolutely amazing!!

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Exifia In reply to maryssoftmounts [2018-03-17 18:38:46 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!! And now you mention it, it indeed looks like it!

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maryssoftmounts In reply to Exifia [2018-03-18 15:40:16 +0000 UTC]

Welcomes!

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