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Oye22 In reply to SillyOlBear1989 [2013-11-10 20:13:46 +0000 UTC]

She's... Twilight XD

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SillyOlBear1989 In reply to Oye22 [2013-11-10 21:39:24 +0000 UTC]

Yep.

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Oye22 In reply to SillyOlBear1989 [2013-11-10 21:41:07 +0000 UTC]

lol XD

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ExplosiveGent In reply to gdpr-16812140 [2012-01-16 03:38:45 +0000 UTC]

Well... I also told you I don't know why you find something like to be funny >_>

Never was able to understand that concept but hey, to each their own. I kept them all together because having them all together was kind of the whole point of the piece.

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gdpr-16812140 In reply to ExplosiveGent [2012-03-24 17:01:56 +0000 UTC]

Well... I also told you I don't know why you find something like to be funny >_>

Some recent events reminded me about this little conversation of ours and I'd like to clarify what I meant. I guess we both know each other well enough to understand it has nothing to do with racism, right, haha? I'm one of the last person on Earth that ares about ethnic/racial differences.

See, the main point is that when you do your humanizations (there is accent here), you follow your own artistic interpretation of the character -- which being shaped by your own experience and knowledge -- and this interpretation, vision of yours is way too rationale, reasonable. Grounded. I'm not a telepath and I won't pretend I know what are you thinking about but I assume that your associative sequence/array follows the idea/concept that the Princess is a mere human and thus you are playing usual human traits in her portrayal. People with dark, tanned skin color usually being called as "People of the Sun", because they are literally spent most of their time under the sun rays, sunlight and thus we know why their skin dark (to absorb the energy). Princess Celestia represents the sun and, as I mentioned already, you play this resemblance, symbolism in a bit grounded, reasonable way - you portray her as a person with black skin color which supposed to give the viewer the right idea/association.

And here is the difference between us and the reason why I'm not really fond of such interpretation - it is way too far way from the show's concept, its idea. You see, MLP:FiM is a fantasy, and when I say "fantasy" I don't simply mean the genre (as many casual people use this word), but rather the concept of a fantasy, of a fairy tale itself. It is not always sane and reasonable, it is quite often based on some symbolism and even simple thing may have some sacral meaning. Princess Celestia controls the sun, she represent the sun itself, and her whole design and color scheme, the character itself resembles such connection: white coat, "aurora borealis" mane (guess, I don't need to tell you how this beautiful thing being formed from "solar wind" and often can be seen during very early morning), golden outfit, pure, innocent, motherish, caring and wise personality, deep and calming voice. See, the symbolism and associative order being played in a bit different way (that's why Luna has dark color scheme and corresponding design), in a fantasy way, which quite appeals to me. It has no boundaries, it gives the artist/author pure creativity freedom, the way to create his own rules, follow his own genuine vision. This is one of the reason why original concept from Lauren appeals to me so much (so01ep01-02) and the reason why I see the Sun Princess mostly like a deity, an elemental (you know what "elemental" is, right?) that as much pure and light as the sun, part of the its power, representing it in every possible way. For me she is more like an angelic figure, the ascended one.

Sorry for the grammar and typos and broken englesh in general, I have terrible migraines and headache at the moment, but I had to write this down before I forgot.

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ExplosiveGent In reply to gdpr-16812140 [2012-03-24 20:18:36 +0000 UTC]

We're both rational people here, I knew you weren't being racist.

I appreciate your concern, and I think I understand now what you're coming from. That being said, allow me to clarify a few of my own viewpoints.

You state that my humanized version of Celestia seems "too rationale and reasonable" and contradicts with the fantasy element of the show. Now, could the same not be said of ALL humanized fanart? The show is a "fantasy" because it's based on sentient, brightly colored, equine characters living in a world inhabited by mythological creatures. Most of what happens in the show obviously does not directly relate to real life, and we know that as we let ourselves become lost in the illusion. As soon as you make them out to be "mere humans," shouldn't that break all ties to the "fantasy" element? They've been made to look like one of the most recognizable things in our lives, how do you get more "grounded" than that? I thought the reason we made them out to be humans in the first place was because we wanted to break them away from that obvious fantasy element in order to bring them over to our basic level of association. So you see, I simply don't see the logic behind your idea of a "black" human Celestia breaking the fantasy illusion any more than a "white" human Celestia would.

You portray her as a person with black skin color which is supposed to give the viewer the right idea/association.

Yes. That is exactly what I did. If I want to humanize something, I want to breathe its personality, background, and behavior into that of a human spirit. When I remove Celestia's exterior appearance and break her down to her core characteristics, I basically get: A wise and caring figure of divine influence who has walked the Earth beneath the sun for thousands of years, raising and lowering it at her will. I want to represent these same qualities in human Celestia, but since appearances can't be defined by divinty, kindness or intelligence, what can I do to help translate these qualities? What if I were drawing it for a viewer who has never seen the show, how can I represent her as a human yet still have the viewer be able see and understand who the character is, what they do, and how they act? What if the viewer was brought up from a culture where they do not view the color white as symbolic of purity, innocence, or "angelic" divinity as you yourself said you do? In a lot of cultures the color white is associated with death and mourning, which couldn't be farther from what I'm trying to present. What I want is a universal visual aid that can get the message across because, after all, is it not in my best interest as an artist to represent the message in a way everyone can understand?

I think the real main difference here is that your viewpoint could be a product of your own cultural upbringing, while mine just seeks to be more universal. We both have reasonable explanations for seeing Celestia as we do, and I think it's good to discuss these things so that we can both learn and appreciate the differences behind our lines of reasoning.

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gdpr-16812140 In reply to ExplosiveGent [2012-01-16 03:41:58 +0000 UTC]

Oh yeah, I figured out that they all are part of the composition and idea (it is plainly and heavily implied). I just mentioned it would be cool to have that piece separated,that is.

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ExplosiveGent In reply to gdpr-16812140 [2012-01-16 03:47:54 +0000 UTC]

Hehe, I'm just messing with you. Maybe I could make them separate in the future, and then file them under the scrapbook. It is definitely something to consider.

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