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---TRIGGER WARNING---
Mentions of CP, sex
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---UPDATE---
Some new info to add here, just for clarity!
So four years ago, as was revealed to me by a friend last night, one of the peckers who harassed me for my Spynder art actually made a callout post on Tumblr about me, wrote a fucking novel with like 20 pics of screenshots and other various shit, tryina make a point that i drew CP.
One person cared
But that isn't the point.
While i was skimming this nonsense and sticking my tongue out like a 5yo, i saw they brought up that in my original arguments in that art's comments section, i kept referring to "mature" characters, without ever using the word "adult" until much later.
They, reading between the lines as best as possible, took that for me being unspecific, and assumed i was talking about characters being "mature minors."
This is a fair criticism (minus the assumptions made putting words in my mouth and interpreting my meaning to try and continue to paint me as a villain), and the ambiguity can be troubling, so because this is the internet, i shall specify.
For the record, i would like to be totally transparent in that when i said "mature," i was referring to adults and adult content.
I understand the point they were making about "mature minors" and "Spyro being mature for his age" (that last one makes me feel sick because that is legit pedo talk and, again, something i literally never said lmao), but that was not what i was referring to.
I was operating under the scope of "mature content," "mature entertainment," etc, as in, things being rated M/R, X-rated, "adults only."
To my mind that was implied, because i was genuinely -- and you gotta believe me when i say this -- NOT thinking about mature minors *pukes into my mouth* ...
To my mind, no one is physically "mature" until they're at LEAST 20, and even if their mind is mature-ish, but they're still underaged, that's no excuse to treat them like a sexual partner (this is a real-world take, FYI).
This has been an update.
If you would like further clarification about anything, please feel free to ask!
Thank you.
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So a friend of mine unintentionally re-opened a mostly-closed wound of mine (which i'm not upset about, obviously I needed to retouch on this).
Some of you may remember when I posted my first Spyro NSFW pic, and I was barraged by a handful of idiots who had the nerve to accuse me of being a pedo artist because I "aged up child characters so they could have sex and me not get in trouble for it."
And then I ended up writing this, which explains exactly why they're wrong:
www.deviantart.com/foxdragonlo…
Fun fact: exactly one year ago yesterday was when this happened.
I'm a little startled by that because I didn't even realize it, but I definitely remember that this happened soon before my move and this was when tension was really getting high in my personal life.
So I know it's literally been a solid year, and that my friends and watchers are intelligent and get why that bs was bs, and I have no more need to defend myself because we all know how I feel about pedos and predators in general.
But my god, in case SOMEONE out there missed it, I think I need to touch base with this a little more.
Despite all this time and the mulling over I've done with it, it still fucks me up and I am still really fucking mad.
So for starters, idk if you've seen Spyro porn, but it is atrocious.
TLK porn is even worse, but I digress.
Spyro and Cynder are ALWAYS depicted as children, having sex.
They're always fresh out of the third game, which means they're only 13.
Everyone's argument is "well they're animals--"
Shut the fuck up.
If you're going to anthropomorphize something by giving it morals, standards and human minds/feelings, then it needs to have the same sexual standards and standards of basic law.
You can't have your pedo cake and eat it, too.
But I also see Spyro and Cynder having sex with the Guardians, and have seen a handful of drawings depicting them being raped by Malefor.
Pleasant, I know.
I've also seen Classic!Spyro art of child Spyro having sex with the HATCHLINGS in the third game.
It's fucking disgusting.
(---!!!UPDAAAAAAATE!!!---
Some of my views with this have changed a bit.
I still do not like the art i described above, by any means, but just because it makes me uncomfortable doesn't give me the right to harass people.
The stuff i saw were also on 18+ only sites, but i do not remember if they were tagged properly, etc, as even without having accounts or being a member of those sites, i was able to access the images.
Easy access to content that sensitive needs to be difficult for the general public to get to.
I'm copy/pasting a recent comment i made here, so you can see my changed view:
"Coming back to this, i will say that my opinions have changed a small bit on the notion that it's harmful for someone to write or illustrate literally anything, depending on the circumstances, but a person needs to be responsible with where they put it, who they share it with, and how they treat it.
It's better things be explored safely in fiction with trusted peers, as opposed to actually going around and, say, harming minors.
At the end of the day, no one can change what they like, but there are good ways to maintain a healthy lifestyle and be morally correct...and this is also why psychological treatment needs to free, just like healthcare.
I think a lot of IRL disasters could be prevented by people exploring things in private.
It's not a "sin" to think a thought; it's about the action.")
I'm telling you all of this because if I have ever seen adult art of Spynder, I physically cannot remember it.
I can't remember a time where I saw literally one drawing of them being older than fucking 13, mating.
As far as I know, i'm the only artist who has drawn them 18+, which is really scary.
If you have seen them as grownups doing it, LINK ME.
Prove me wrong, give me a little sliver of hope.
And why did I draw them as adults having sex?
Because they're adults with libidos, and it's part of life.
We grow up, we mature, we mate.
The fucking end.
People stress out that others draw beloved child characters as adults getting freaky, but in some franchises, such as The Lion King, the characters we see and love as children canonically grow up, have SEXUAL MOMENTS, and have children...
Which means they had sex.
So how the fucking fuck is it any different when fans draw characters they have known as children, growing up, and DOING MATURE THINGS?!
They're not going to be celibate forever, you vacuous grated chunk of smegma.
And when that moment happened in TLK, people thought it to be sexy.
Is it?
Yes!
That's the fucking point!
It was MORE than implied that Nala was attracted to Simba and wanted the D.
So here's another point: when you love adult canon characters that are mature and known to have sexual interactions, are you suddenly a pedophile if you think about their childhood, story, habits, upbringing, etc?
Just turn that around on its head for a second.
Or if you have sex with someone, then see their kid/baby pictures, are you a pedophile bc you think their childhood pics are cute, and you continue to have sex with that adult partner?
It's literally the exact.
Same.
THING.
Like I've said before, characters can have children, but as long as you don't think about how they MADE that child it's all dandy, right?
No.
That's like knowing someone got raped, but as long as you don't think about the details it's not so bad.
NO.
If you're going to be mad about the action, shouldn't you be mad about the result?
I.e., canon children of canon characters = canon characters had sex.
If you're mad at me for drawing two characters who are the same age, canonically partners (not that the canon part even really matters), grew up together, are both consenting adults having sex and making children, then shouldn't you be mad at people who don't draw the sex, but design what their kids look like?
Once more, you can't have your cake and eat it, too.
Unless of course, you're a titanic hypocrite, which you fucking are.
If you're designing Spynder children for their story, then they had sex in your story.
You can't get around it, they mated.
Whether you think about it or not, and whether you find it hot or are aroused by it or not, there is literally nothing wrong with that.
And no, i'm not one of those people who thinks that fiction is a harmless outlet; it's not.
You have to be responsible with it.
This shit matters.
And yes, I am certain beyond a doubt that there are hundreds, possibly thousands of depraved shit-snorklers who find child characters attractive and do age them up to have sex so they don't get in trouble, and it's sick.
Unfortunately they're the exception, not the rule, and despite my wishes I cannot Thanos-snap them out of existence as I so wish I could.
There are two sides to every coin, and even though my coin has a bad side, I do what I do for my own benefit and to hopefully lead an example of how to go about things the morally correct, natural, acceptable way.
Something the first accuser pointed out to me in my first Spynder nsfw art was that they didn't "look like adults."
When i looked back at the pic, I totally understood what they meant.
Cynder's horns were kinda short, and Spyro didn't have any facial fins or anything.
They didn't look how I ACTUALLY draw them as kids with having the thin necks and stuff, but I get where they were coming from, which actually helped propel me into taking the time to think about how Spyro's face will actually look as a fully pubescent adult, and makes me more careful about making Cynder's horns longer.
I literally draw them as children so often I sometimes forget about how they will differ as adults; it was an innocent mistake.
That being pointed out to me is definitely something I was very grateful for.
I think i covered everything, I really anticipate comments/conversations.
I realize I could possibly be opening myself up for a fight but I am more than in a mood to throw down over this right now, I am still so furious.
Idk when or how i'll get over it, and maybe I never will, because it shook me to my core and still messes with me.
It made me question my integrity and my mentality as an individual.
That in and of itself wasn't a bad thing, I guess, and since I can't change the past i'm just gonna walk away with the lessons I learned and how it forced me into personal growth.
I hope this is helpful to someone else and I pray someone -- or lots of people -- comment.
Also, please spread this.
It's so damn important.
Thank you for reading, sorry for bringing this back up, but I had to get it out.
Have a good day, my lovelies.
---DO NOT STEAL MY STUFF!!! I DO NOT OWN TLK OR TLOS BUT I DO OWN THE ONE FAN ART---
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Nom1boo [2025-01-12 02:02:32 +0000 UTC]
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SarahSpyborg259 [2019-08-14 05:22:02 +0000 UTC]
Though I don’t And will never draw porn art, you do make good points about what’s the difference between making future art of mature characters loving each other which is a normal part of life, and straight up evil and vile pedophillia, and which ones to call out on.
And dear lord, what are these sick pedos thinking putting CHILD characters having it up with either each other, adults or even BABIES, aged ONLY for that reason or not!?
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FaeBelowDeck In reply to SarahSpyborg259 [2019-08-15 14:23:21 +0000 UTC]
Thank you, thank you AND FUCKING THANK YOU.
Mad respect and thank you for giving me the time of day as well as spreading the word, it means a lot to me
There are sadly just some sick, sick people out there, man...
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NemesisXProject [2019-08-13 01:44:41 +0000 UTC]
I read your whole message you have made a strong argument. There are a load of cringy art out there that I don't want to think about, and those that create it in a more subtle & acceptable way.
There are those that are at a loss to the very point of not seeing the obvious for what it is and then seeing the obvious and reacting to it negatively. Which you think they would react just as negatively for the less obvious ones.
It's kinda jarring when they start throwing words which they don't quite understand completely. Saying it without looking up the words to understand what the word actually means.
Then you have to understand one thing about those kinds of people... They must be sheltered people that have been sheltered from these kinds of things, and you have to forgive them for being that sheltered kind that are at a loss for these kinds of adult things that they do not understand. It's sad really...
P.S.
I think I know at least one who had done a 18+ as them being adults.
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FaeBelowDeck In reply to NemesisXProject [2021-09-02 13:20:47 +0000 UTC]
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Tijopi11 [2019-08-11 02:02:51 +0000 UTC]
Ugh. I have a lot of opinions on this subject but no energy to even get into it anymore xD
My take is, I've grown tired of how sexuality is treated and I just wish people would chill about the whole subject. Adults having sex isn't gross or ungodly or dirty or sinful or naughty or WHATEVER. It simply is what it is. Like you said, it's a part of life, most everyone partakes in it and it's what you make of it. It can be naughty, it can be the height of human love and experience if you want it to be, or it could be reproduction because people have libidos. That being said, obviously I understand why it's protected and treated as a shady subject. Kids shouldn't be introduced to that side of sexuality so young and made to believe it's normal to be doing at that age.
Children and teens is where it gets a lot more iffy. So I'll just state my personal opinion that again, sex is what you make of it. Teenagers and even young kids have libidos, it feels wrong to me to assume they dont or are incapable of understanding sexuality or sexual experiences. There is, of course, a line though. Children have sexualities, but sexualizing kids is not a good idea. But I still almost wished it was acknowledged? Intense, obviously ADULT sex scene depictions is obviously not something I'd want to see, but preteens and teens are allowed to have libidos and to show interest in that world. There's a way to depict that without going full-ham inappropriately sexual about it. But the way sexuality is depicted now is at least just as damaging imo. It's grossly misinformative and treats sex as the dirty side of a loving relationship at the best of times, if not treating them as separate entities, as if sex and physical touch is the climactic sinful secondary that inevitably comes after you seek out the wanted and pure primary that is a crush. It makes sex look like a rebellious unexplored world where looking for real information on how to navigate it is like asking for spells to the dark arts, and you're just better off learning by some weird secondary source...ugh, I don't even want to get into it.
My point is, the topic is sensitive but it really shouldn't have to be. The line where morals end and start should be obvious and simple: don't sexualize children, that's gross. But don't treat sex and love and the need for physical touch as ooh this big nasty adult thing that's like Pandora's box, that more or less gets grouped in drugs and violence because it's treated as this secret naughty pleasure. If sex was more normalized and treated with kindness, while still acknowledging the dangers it can pose of course, but still acknowledged as this thing people naturally want that is usually fine and healthy under positive circumstances, then there'd probably be a lot less dangers attached to it. Less unsafe sex, less sporadic understanding of what is and isn't okay to do or draw. As usual, people just need to chill
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FaeBelowDeck In reply to Tijopi11 [2019-08-15 14:20:56 +0000 UTC]
THANK YOU, JESUS GOD. FUCK
SHIT
DAMB
SAY IT LOUDER!
i also wish people acknowledged that kids have libidos, ok i can barely remember a time in my life when I wasn’t trying to touch myself and i learned to masturbate when i was 11 or 12.
Children need to be informed that when they do that, it’s okay as long as they’re alone and private about it, but that it’s normal.
I’m so fed up with children and teens alike being fucking shamed for masturbating... *nukes religion for this very reason*
It’s natural, it’s healthy.
GET OVER IT.
But also agreed, without a doubt, children SHOULD NOT BE SEXUALIZED.
ahhhh Tij, i always love your input
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Tijopi11 In reply to FaeBelowDeck [2019-08-17 01:50:53 +0000 UTC]
I'mma come back in here and mention that I now completely identify as asexual. I have a libido but I don't, and have never been, even remotely physically attracted to anyone in my life. For this reason I find this topic really hard to discuss and explore in any other way than assumptions because it took me this long to realize that sexual attraction is an experience I've just never had...(I mean I've always known that but didn't really want to accept it completely?) I'd love to go into detail on that particular topic but to stay on track here, I feel I might be too out of my element to discuss this topic in depth but I feel even I have something to bring to the table when discussing the acceptance of sexuality and it's place in society. The fact is it's here, it's perfectly healthy, and beneficial, and can certainly be unsafe and lead to consequences but that's exactly why it should be discussed overtly for what it is. I hate how sex and sexuality continues to always, in every circumstance, be treated as either a negative or a secret pleasure like Eve taking a bite out of that apple. I've always been sex-repulsed, I'm not in any way advocating blatant porn on billboards and detailed open discussion of personal stories or any such thing, but I'm absolutely gushy about acts of love and the power of physical touch. Oddly enough, my odd relationship with sex is probably why this is so important to me. Sex imagined as this raw, animalistic, physical-only mindless engagement that's supposed to be fun BECAUSE it's mindless and gross is a vision of sex that causes me a lot of discomfort and repulsion. An image of sex that is loving, expressive, and a powerful moment shared between lovers which enhances the quality of their relationship is a vision of sex that I can support and enjoy.
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HaloLune [2019-08-09 11:40:14 +0000 UTC]
God i hate Pedos. But drawing characters as adults having sex is nothing wrong with honestly. You made a good point
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ErrorVittra [2019-08-08 20:02:29 +0000 UTC]
I live for your insults, you're so creative I love them!
And yes I agree with you
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FaeBelowDeck In reply to ErrorVittra [2019-08-15 14:55:26 +0000 UTC]
LMFAO thank you so much! I live to dish OUT insults
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MusicalBloodDrop [2019-08-08 18:24:40 +0000 UTC]
My favourite *cough cough* side that I see to this argument is the people who are like "You can't age them up just to have sex, you just did that so you can sexualize them!" but then turn Right back around and are like "You can't headcanon that child character as asexual wtf is wrong with you deciding their sexuality at an age like that!"
Like
What in the entire hell are you talking about
They wouldn't be having this issue if I headcanon'd that character as gay and having same sex crushes, and probably wouldn't even have that many issues with any other sexuality, but as soon as I even say the possibility that this Child Character might not be attracted to people from their hips down, it's suddenly a problem because?? I literally don't know why????? Plus they could see have a romanticism, the split model of attraction still allows for hand holding and blushes and crushes, I literally don't understand
I've literally seen that argument and had to block someone over it lol, it was just the absolute coldest take I had ever heard in my life
Personally I like exploring lots of aspects of adult life - jobs, family, sexuality, mid life crises, all sorts of fun things that through the specific lens of my favourite characters makes me love them more. Putting a stamp of "Never Touch" on an explorative aspect of getting to know my faves better is very dumb, especially if that's the only thing people take umbrage with but will never bat an eye to violence, death, anything that'll get you crying without feeling Uncomfy that those characters might be doing some Safe Sane and Consensual with someone they like, what a goshdang crime. Ugh, lol, I've just seen this argument a lot and I've always found it very misguided. Death of the author exists so that I can decide what I want the story to mean, and if the author didn't explicitly give me permission to think more about their story after the fact, well that kind of defeats the purpose of a story, doesn't it
Also some of the underage characters that I've seen this being whinged about are well into their teens. Yes, they're minors, and they shouldn't be depicted underage with a character of age, or anything like that, but guess what, libido can start considerably younger than 18! Gah lol, I'm so salty about it haha
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AngelGashapon [2019-08-08 18:17:05 +0000 UTC]
I was recently called out on public record for "being a pedophile" bcuz i draw aged up art SOMETIMES.
i was accused of housing TONS of the stuff which first of all- i dont DRAW that much NSFW; let alone of THAT.
and second of all, as a CSA survivor.... why in the HELL would i NOT draw EXCLUSIVELY adults.
im not joking. people need to STOP throwing the word "pedophile" around like it has new meaning, or so that it no longer HAS meaning.
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Claire-Cooper In reply to AngelGashapon [2019-08-08 21:26:31 +0000 UTC]
You should stay away from the MLP Verse then xD
People age up younger characters to date certain characters and they're labelled as pedophiles for it. Regardless if they aged them or not. It's bullshit.
But I do like what you said people do need to stop throwing that word around.
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BlackDragonOfDeath-3 [2019-08-08 18:11:46 +0000 UTC]
Ah this old static. Yeah unfortunately there’s still a small handful of annoying turds that thinks this. I’ve already dealt with them once, as have a few other artists out there. They just don’t seem to really get it.
As for TLoS porn. It’s actually pretty fairly mixed. Lots of actual adult depictions, weird situations, and when they were young teens (btw, majority of fans believe them to be 15 in DoTD).
But yeah, it’s not perfect. Far from it. But lewd artists in this fandom actually do the lewds for the right reasons. Like yourself, Foxy. Don’t let the bad ones get you down. *hug*
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