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Published: 2008-03-26 13:08:52 +0000 UTC; Views: 86483; Favourites: 2830; Downloads: 5416
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Firstly let me explain, i'm not here to quarrel or blame someone.These days western world have a voice of "free tibet". Some of them even suggest to boycott the Beijing Olympic.
I see several quarrels on DA about it.
I just feel so bad for it.
I don't want to say agree or disagree here, i just want to say the truth.
By the way , I'm a selfish person, tibet problem is never my business. I just don't like people say dirty words to each other. DA is just a place for art and people who love art.
Here is what i know about Tibet.
The start is , a few people instigated the enmity , that caused tibet people (sorry i don't know how to translate it )killed some innocent passerby. Some foreigners faced the event, they can prove it true.
Again, i don't want to blame anyone, i just don't like violence.
That's all I want to say.
Why we don't just to choose a peace world? why fight?
Gossip means nothing, please use your own eyes.
I hope everyone can clam down, the "freers(i mean free + er...XD)",and our chinese.
Please make sure what's the truth.
And I don't know what's wrong with Olympic, it's just a sport game, i think it's pure, why don't just talk about sports?
You may be agree, thank you. You may disagree, that's all right.
I'm just here to say STOP quarreling on DA.
Please clam down.
1 year before, when i first registered here, it was a place that the only language was art.
I want to see the world again.
Thank you for reading.
ps. forget my horrible grammar plz, thank you XD
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Foreigners(ha ha I am one 
Anyway, you draw very sexy men! 
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Well... sometimes other countries ask for our help...
For examples, the US Marine Corps constantly does humanitarian jobs in many other countries...
And you have to understand, we get involved because there is money to be made, and relations to possibly gain.
I don't necessarily agree with the Westerners interjecting their "aid" to other countries, but at the same time, sometimes it is needed...
Sometimes, when the execution of the "aid" fails, then it reflects poorly upon the countries that aid.
Just some thought. ;D
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I agree with you!
Foreigners should stick to their own business because they usually don't know the other side of the story.
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you are exactly right. DA is a place for art, not for politics!
beautiful picture by the way ;D i really like the light effects in the sword!
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According to what we are hearing here in the west, the Tibetans have been protesting the way the Chinese rule over them and it went from peaceful to violent. The killings began and the media is painting a picture of the Chinese army as being oppressive and not letting the Tibetans speak out. (Aka jailing people who are involved and telling them no harm will come as long as they tell who else was out protesting with them) I agree that the whole thing is sad and the idea of "boycotting" the olympics is a dumb idea.
Also its really nice to hear the other side of the story. Thanks for posting about this topic. And, as always, your work is very beautiful and impressive.I love the red cape and how it draws my eyes across the piece.
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Yeah, I hate gossip. I'm sick of it. 
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ur right and the art is wat da is about not like this
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Wow. The art is breathtaking.
Plus you have a very good point about the argument about Tibet.
dA is a place for people to share art. C: Make art, not war. Ahaha
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...I understand it all but I really don't understand how someone who lives in China can say that he does not care about Tibet problem?
There's no peaceful world ... you can't just become a terrorist because you don't like what other people think it's ok ... that's what those idiots are trying to do ... I mean boycott Olympic WTF????
I live in Serbia there for I know all to well what people in your country may feel ... so I guess what I'm trying to say is ... it's WRONG.
+ that spirit sword looks ready to charge
...naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah don't mind me , i just hate all terrorists .
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That's highly ignorant of you to state you hate the entirety of one group. To them, it is *us* of the western world that terrorize them..so who is to say who is on the right side? Us just ...well because it's us?...or them...because they are "evil" as we've been led by our governments to believe? Often in war, especially in history, the winning side glorifies their victories as the right thing and the just thing...such as the 'civilizing' of the north american continent by the europeans against the native american indians.
Right, left? Left, wrong? Right, right?
Wrong.
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Terrorists are PLAGUE of todays world ... nothing good will come from killing and hurting innocent people.
So YEAH I hate 'em all ... or as you say ENTIRE GROUP .
I'm sorry if you find that offensive but that's the way I see it.
They want free Tibet???...well they can't have it just because they want to ... did you see what's going on on Kosovo? After killing and ethnic cleansing of Serbs they got their own country ! "YAY" for "FREEDOM" .
That will happen to Tibet if someone dose not say and do something about it .
Right thing?
Right thing is to look around you and see what your own goals are doing to other people...we all live in this world , you can't ignore the rules that make world exist in peace ... Amerika is breaking them and see what we have ... war after war ...
There's nothing wrong in hating killers , and that's what terrorists are.
I don't hate Tibet or people of Tibet , I just hate that group of people that thinks in the worst way possible.
But I see why you think the way you do , your country does not have the problems mine does.
I only hope you'll never understand this.
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You have very firm opinions, and saw nothing of what I wrote. That is too bad. Good day.
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You're right... no matter anyone's view on the Tibet situation. dA isn't the place for discussing it. This site is supposed to be for art, not politics.
And what awesome art you have here
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I don't care about Tibet either. I care about hotties, and you provide them. 
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LOL Your comment made so laugh! XD
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they are thinking of cancling the beijing olympics? why? that dosent make any sense...
and the killing in tibet? i hate violence but was there a specific reason for such crime? i wouldnt think so...
and the drama? its just little kids coming and going here but i dont blame them cause im also in a drama but its just a personal thing with another friend who i care so much but never understood... but she'll get over it ... hopefully soon.
lol its ok i cant spell very well and sometimes i eat my words when im typing ( i accidentally skip over the word and write the next one thinking that i already typed the word i ran over) XD
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very nice on the detail and design i love it!
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You're very right. DA is for art and for discussion about art. Politics should be discussed in other place, like some BBS and other places. There are many places to discuss China-Tibet issues, but DA is the best place to discuss art, so let's not spoil it!
By the way, it is always a pleasure to see new arts coming from you! I wish I could see it bigger (at least his face, because the face you paint is the best!)! Isn't his resting arm a bit unfinished, though? It seems less detailed... Anyway, his hair is very beautiful, I loved that braid! I wait eagerly for your new updates!
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That all said a lot of art is wrapped up in politics, and art is often produced as a result of politics. It's been that way for centuries, at least. To say otherwise is ignorant. Art is integral to politics, and vice versa. You don't have to agree with the art, but you have to acknowledge its influence.
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Even though it's related, it's not like discussing politics in here (DA specifically) will influence the art. Politics is a background, can be a theme, can influence the aesthetic ideal (in a longer time range). But everything in the world will influence art too. So, there's no point of discussing China situation when one's art is not being influenced about it. If it's pointless, it's void of purpose. Here is a art community, so we should discuss things related to art itself and to things that influence our art (if my art was a result of politics, I'd want to discuss politics). If it's just to discuss nowadays situation for the sake of discussing it, we can do it in many places (at least, I'm oversaturated of information and discussion about it coming from everywhere).
By the way, I just agreed with the feimo's point of view, and she was the one who brought up the fact that people are quarreling about all of this while this was supposed to be an art community. So why answer ~me~?
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I disagree, DA is a public forum, it even has a "politics" section....
And there is ALWAYS a reason to be informed about the rest of the world. It doesn't matter that this is an art community, but it is also a public place for people to express themselves in a public manner, which I assume that you know "freedom of expression" is limited in China, and that is an issue.
People are angered about this, your freedom of speech is also considered a art. Without freedom of expression, you cannot express your art.
It is some what related to the art community.
Yes, we do not need to attack each other, but it is fine that we discuss matters other than art... why should we limit our ideals, which DO affect our art.
If someone feels the need to discuss something in their journal, or in the "politics" thread, then why should we stop them?
Why should we limit their freedom of speech and expression?
And even though it is an art community, Feimo also brought this topic up in her comments...
Of course it'll trigger a response.
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But DA is not the only place to discuss things. There are other places, so it's not like the artists in here are being alienated or will not be able to have freedom of speech, or like they don't care. It just isn't proper. It's not because the situation in China is like this that it needs to be discussed in every chance, everytime, everywhere.Talking about non-art related stuff is just as flooding or flaming, or posting "fotolog-like" pictures like DA was some simple kind of image host.
What I mean is, it's OK to discuss it in the politics thread, or to express the thoughts on the personal journal, but just let's not exagerate and forget what DA is meant for.
But naturally, I shouldn't even have answered this, since the only ones who are complaining have much more forum posts than art submitted.
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"But naturally, I shouldn't even have answered this, since the only ones who are complaining have much more forum posts than art submitted."
How petty.
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But, you say so much that politics is important to art, but I haven't seen anything political in your gallery. If politics is so important to art (of course it is also, but if ~you~ want to defend this point of view), shouldn't you express it FIRST through your art? Discussing politics with words is a lot more unrelated to art than discussing it with your very own art.
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What? No! Not in the least? What sort of argument is that?
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What difference does it make whether I, personally, express myself through art? How do you know I don't? I have precious few pieces on this site, after all.
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This is being defined by you? Who are you to speak for the entirety of the community of DA? Of course there are other places to talk about anything anywhere...i can go in the john now and talk about the queen's hairy chin or hitler's pointy elbows. If you looked a lot on the browse section of DA you would find a lot of photomanips, a lot of photographs and drawings and designs to do with politics and political messages. In university politics is often paired with fine arts; humanites.
Deviant art is about showcasing art, your expression and yourself...how is that separate from what DA is about if you are expressing your feelings towards a particular event in your life, or others' lives, through what you were thinking of when designing your art?
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First of all, of course it is my opinion, so I say what I see.
Second, reading other people's comments on this very same post, a lot of people are saying the same thing: that DA is for art, not for discussing politics.
...So why bother answering me?
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The people who say DA is just for art, not for discussing politics, are ignorants who don't understand reality. It does not matter that they are in the majority in the least, in fact it shows how few people are actually cognizant.
I have no interest in getting into a discussion with you about it. I don't have the time or the energy. You can have your opinion, wrong as it is. It's just an opinion--I argue from facts. It is enough to say that politics are important to people, people express themselves with the means they have at hand, ergo people express their politics through art. Art is hand in hand with politics. To say otherwise ignores a large part of human history.
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It's not like politics should be ignored. It's not like politics are meant for politicians and not for us. And it's not like I ignore politics. But there are many places to express ourselves, not only DA. So why not discuss it elsewhere? At work, at class, at our real community, or in places specific for this kind of discussion?
Of course politics can be mentioned in here DA, but the thing I'm complaining is about over-discussing it (or anything non-art related) and forget about the main reason for DA to exist.
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I don't see the "main reason for DA to exist" (check your English) disappearing. 
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*people express what is important to themselves
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Why bother responding 
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Well, that's true. It's just that I only expressed one personal opinion, but so many people cared to answer and disagree like it mattered to change my opinion or to prove me wrong. It is really bothersome, as it was just one harmless commentary intended to be read and then forgotten and left alone.
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If that is how you feel then perhaps you should consider not leaving a comment at all? It is, after all, a community, and we all are, after all, a part of it with views and opinions of our own. Don't wanna be heard then don't speak
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Well, but a lot of people said the same thing as me and no one discussed with them. I wanted to say how I felt to feimo, since it was her post. And I didn't expect posts to be used as a forum for people to discuss.
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then there is no need for u to respond now is there? i'm not trying to silent you or anything.
look appearently ur post has attracted alot of attension partcially because ur post intrigued me and ur replys just attract more attension. of course u have the freedom to express ur self, but if ur wondering why epople are specificly commenting on you, i just told u why.
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So? I don't like keeping all my art online because some of the things are embarrassing, or I have not completed anything new due to a terrible art slump.
Please, do not assume that I am a troll, or anything.
I know I have commented about three thousand times on OTHER people's art works. I'm sorry that I don't have over two thousand pieces of artwork on my page, but I don't feel the need to post unless it is something I deem decent, naturally. A rather pretentious assumption.
I am not complaining. I am just merely stating.
How is it not proper?
A community should not express it's opinion just because it is a art community? Even though most people (like Feimo) posted about the situation.
Did she not expect to have responses to her contradicting message about Beijing?
Naturally if you're going to bring it up in your journal, artist's comments, and/or the forum, you are BOUND to have opinions.
You have to realize, DA is a community of many many people, and they have a RIGHT to express whatever they want to, as long as it is no libel, defamation, or something that violates another's rights. They can do it almost where ever they please, and DA has simply allowed that. It is mostly on other people's journals (when the OP talks about Tibet), and in the forums.
It IS proper because politics is an important part of life (whether you participate in it or not). And if you do not care about the issues at hand, you simply have the choice of not responding, and clocking the "X" in the upper right hand corner, or click another link.
It is not being discussed everywhere. That is an exaggeration, do you see random blow ups about China on many random pages, that are simply unprovoked? I highly doubt it.
And if your definition of spamming on DA is talking about non-art related things, then convos between people on their pages is spam, and my main page consists of a lot of spam because my friends may leave me random messages that are completely unrelated to art.
The definition of art is also relative, some people really find their "photo log-like pictures" to be artistic, or have some meaning. That's the same as saying "I think anime is like spam, and uses DA like an image host because there are tons of really terrible quality, and horrible looking pictures on it".
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Well, there are things that you see that you know that weren't meant to be artistic, while some other things, even if they have bad quality, you know the person had the effort to express it as art.
And well, I have heard for years about the China-Tibet issue, and have known for years about China repressing free opinion. Now that the thing exploded, everyone is talking about it, but the conflict just heated, but the problem existed for a long time and people were not discussing about it so frantically before.
And I'm not saying people don't have the right to express themselves on DA, I just think that they should focus on art discussion. It's just my opinion, so I think there wasn't the necessity to discuss this with me. My opinion can't be so revolting, since it's not like I'm saying "YOU! stop talking about non-art related stuff!", I'm just saying that it would be better if people focused on art.
It's not even like I was the one who brought this up, since I was just agreeing with feimo (about what is better to discuss on DA, not about political views). So you could have posted on the reply to the art's post, and not to my comment. I was just agreeing, why discuss with me?
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I do see your point, and I do understand. I sort of think that it is GOOD that more people are becoming aware of what is happening in China.
But you see, that is where politics comes in, the Olympics is important to many people and is on the line, and the politics as well. Once an issue gets sensational like that, of course people will become concerned.
I can see that you're not an idiot, and informed very well, so I know that I don't need to explain it.
I know you won't be surprised if I say that "There are plenty of Americans that probably didn't know much about the situation in China". When there is rampant news coverage on it, and the Olympics is mentioned, it perks ears.
Oh, don't worry, I didn't single you out or anything. I was just sort of had time, and decided to reply to you because you were on the first page, and if I replied to everyone else that posted later on, it would be redundant.
Lol, your opinion is not revolting at all. It's refreshing to see someone reply with some sort of reasoning.
I discussed with you because I felt that I could share a perspective, and you would give me a rebuttal that would help me gain some perspective as well.
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he's amazing! he looks like alive ^^
great colours...
respect ^^
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ahh if only peace were that simple
but i applaud your concern for the quarrels on DA
anyways, awesome work on the artwork :>
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