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My little fox, I will miss you forever. You were the best companion that I could ever ask for. I'm so sorry that I couldn't have saved you. 'Till we meet again, Sabre. <3Yes Sabre was an arctic fox that I had as a 'pet' a few years back. I don't like using the term pet, he was more of a friend. I miss him so so much, I'll be posting more of him.
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He looks just beautiful..
You were lucky to have him, and I am very sorry for your loss, even if it was already some time ago.
Are you planning on getting another fox in the future and what do they require other than the enclosure?
I don't know anything about foxes as a pet exactly, just what they do in the wild, but yeah.
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These websites can help:
livingwithfoxes.weebly.com
www.foxfanatic.com
At least to understand everything since a domestic fox is a lot of work and can't be explained shortly. (Same with many pets.)
You may want to read this too maythefoxbewithyou.tumblr.com/… and scroll down her blog. She had a silver fox with an unfortunate/awful death, but you can find a lit of photos and information.
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Thank you very much for the informative links, these have been very interesting to read! : )
I can't understand the hate towards the responsible exotic (or any responsible!) pet owners..
Especially not hurting any living being unnecessarily/killing them. : l
Foxes are not available as pets where I live (or, you could buy a kit from fur farmers but here are no "pet lines" ) but not illegal either if you don't catch a wild one of course, but wolf dogs are and the hate (totally misinformed hate may I add ) towards them is unbelievable.
But aww it really sounds like getting a fox is not in anyway possible anytime soon since they can't live inside basically at all.
I had kinda thought that the enclosure is must because of their curious and destructive nature when left alone (ie having safe place for them when you are not supervising/keeping company), but I weren't aware of the marking, at least not it being that much and impossible to clean and for those same reasons high content wolf dogs are at least atm out of question for me since I want different things from a pet for now.
But this has been very interesting/informative, thank you! : )
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You're welcome!
In a way of saying, foxes and wolfdogs aren't domesticated "enough" so that they can live like most dogs do. Fear and ignorance leads to troubles for responsible owners who are innocent against the misinformed.
Ranch foxes are domestic, so if you have all the knowledge needed, more than enough money/time and the care for the fox, you can then go to an ethical fur farm and see if they'll sell you a fox. It's a short answer I'm writing, but there are people, even where I live, who brought a farmed fox.
Since all foxes are different, some will listen more than others. I'd like to have one someday, but I've been told to train with dogs from easy to hard. This means having a common dog breed and progressing toward the thougher breed such as husky, german shepheard and eventually wolfdog. It's an example given based on myself as the person knew what dogs I can handle better. You can base this with your own abilities. It ain't the same as a pet fox, still, at least you'll be able to have longer patience, tolerance and be used to destructive behavior in a way.
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I hope to one day have mid content wolfdog/s (and maybe foxes and cats) but as for now, only "dog enough" animals are suitable for my lifestyle.
I had earlier this image in my head that foxes could be kept as indoor pets too, probably just from the pictures and stories that I have seen on internet, I don't actually remember anyone telling me that.
I don't think that we have any ethical fur farms in my country, sadly. : /
All the ones I have ever visited are identical, having nervously pacing, stressed animals in cages smaller than what you can use for transportation for the dog of same size.
I haven't looked into the pet fox subject in years so I don't actually now if there has happened some huge change in my country but if there are any foxes as pets it is very much a secret then I guess.
I have had dogs since I was 9 years old (that's when I got my first own hunting dog) and now I have a laika/arctic type mutt & low content wolf dog.
So I am not totally unfamiliar what comes to high energy animals and the possibility of a destructive behavior (both of them have changed homes because of problem behavior as puppies and ended up here that way..) , but atm I live in an apartment and prefer animals that can be exercised off leash.
It has been a bit of a disappointment to learn about high content wolf dogs and foxes tho, since I had always this idea that if trained properly they could be kept off leash and I guess lately I have needed to bury my dream of getting one -at least until we have moved back to the countryside. :' )
(Because it is a bit difficult to express myself in English I want to point that I never -even as a kid- planned to get a fox or a mid content to an apartment or suburban house, but I had this misconception of them being 'fully domesticated' like a regular dog, that as long as they would have an enclosure for the time I got to school and work they would be fine and we could go for long walks them being off leash haha :' ) No that I know better it has moved the dream of getting those kinds of pets into family to the future )
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Well, I didn't mean to sort of kill your dream of having a pet fox one day. Mine has been crushed for the moment, but it can be worked out. Some foxes can live well indoor, if someone is at home, checking on them, but not all day. I wouldn't let the fox in the enclosure for too long if it's -30°C or +35°C outside.
Ah darn. I wish to go to several fur farms, visit, take photos and build proper information on my website. (If I make one.) Photos tell a lot more than words! When their page was up, two fox owners got their pets from an unethical fur farm as kits. I personally don't recommend it.
I understand. Foxes and wolfdogs need a leash if you go outside your property and also fences when in the backyard. You don't want them to flee or loose them by Animal controls. I don't know the laws at yours, but here, pets need a leash once we go outside of home.
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No no, information is always good, even if all the information is not as nice as I hoped for.
I think that it is better to maybe have a fox in the future when I could surely give it what it needs than get one being uneducated and making life miserable both for the fox and our current pack. :' )
And yeah, I understand. : /
And I can easily understand why you wouldn't recommend that. In my experience, pets from responsible breeders are the best choice, and especially with a species that I would unfamiliar with I would rather get a well socialized kit than a one from some fur farm that I wouldn't want to support anyway..
We actually don't have animal control.
And dogs can be kept off leash if they are under command/supervision -technically there are 'strict' laws about it at summer but just this week I was walking to town with my puppy off leash and police who saw us just smiled at us, so it's not very frowned upon.
Only time when I would be afraid for my dogs would be if we would visit at the northern part of our country since there has been few cases when wolf-hating hunters have been shooting pet huskies, hunting spitz and wolf dogs.
(We also don't have any stray animals basically and only animals that are a 'problem' what comes to abandoning are cats here).
So basically what would happen if one of my dogs would run away and someone would manage to catch them would be that I would be called if they would have their name tags on, and if not they would be the responsibility of the local "found animal house"
(haha that would be the literal translation, since all the translations referred to terms that have to do with animal rescue or rehoming, but what I am talking about mostly deals with found dogs and cats and returns them to their homes. Usually that same place has a business with taking care of peoples pets while they go on a vacation).
There their microchips would be read and my information would show up.
Then I would either get a call immediately and go get my dog/s or I would need to pay too much of money since what those places sometimes do is "hide" the dogs for few days to get some more payment, it's not a very good business for them otherwise.
(And that's also a reason why 9/10 people who would catch a dog running free would rather take it in and put something on facebook about a found dog than to do a shitty thing like that to the owner of the lost dog, heh)
Mine have never disappeared tho (same can't be said about my first dog.. ).
It's interesting how different the laws and customs considering pets are in different countries. : )
But yeah, with a fox or a wolf dog of higher content I couldn't live like I live now so I think I will save those dreams for when we have a big property and a different lifestyle.
Especially since without the off leash-running chance it is even more important imo that they would have big enough enclosures and I would have the funds and time to give them things to do.
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Ah, I see. Here the anti-cruelty laws are sort of good, depending on the situation. There are strict laws to avoid injuries and the like to people and other pets, just like wildlife. Cats are responsible for many species extinction, yet, it's not checked often where I live.
I think you're referring to Animal shelter and No-kill shelter? If a place would "hide" a pet in similar ways at yours, the workers can be fined and jailed if it happened too muh as it's seen as fraud. Here, it's better to hope that your lost pet landed on a No-kill shelter. One of these translate to the White Shepherd and when pets go there, they're either gased the same day or a week later.
Agree! I can get a wolfdog easily in my area if you compare to a fox. In both cases, I'll have to wait many years.
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We have few different laws that mention dogs in that way (considering letting them run free on the walks with you, -letting the dog run totally unsupervised anywhere around the town is illegal and it will be picked up, returned with scolding and if repeated on purpose you can be fined).
One is for the wildlife -dogs and cats should not be let out to disturb wildlife (especially birds) when they are having their offspring from spring to end of the summer. It's actually tomorrow or day after that when the 'leashing-time' here ends.
Then there is a law considering mostly towns and cities (and market-areas + stadiums and such crowded places) that says that your dog is not allowed to cause any harm there -this is mostly about not letting dogs and cats poop around everywhere etc.
Dog under 6 months of age is allowed to be free almost anywhere.
For dogs older than that the law says that it needs to be either on leash or 'to be immediately leashed and under command' otherwise.
They could be fined here too, but people really are reluctant about taking a matter like that to police since it's hard to prove.
and not exactly.. We have no 'No-Kill shelters' (and very few animal shelters anyway, the place taking in found animals is not in a way shelter but a person who has gotten that job from town).
Every place that takes animals is allowed to, and if needed, willing to euthanize pets if the owner is not found and the pet is not suitable for new home (this usually has to do with being very sick, or seriously aggressive or afraid and already older and it has needed to be there for at least 15 days without the owner been found and if it has a chip or ear tattoo they would try to still find the owner).
There are very few actual animal shelters in here and when someone actually abandons their animals it's always huge news since it doesn't happen that often.
People usually take care of the unwanted animal by themselves, and the breeders are in most cases extremely interested in their dogs, ie. if you need to give up your dog, they'll take it back and rehome it.
And then there is a strong culture with pure-bred dogs, and with dogs overall. Our kennel club is stepping it's boundaries with peoples privacy and freedom sometimes but at least it has a strong grip on media and does good job educating people about dogs constantly.
Cats are not that lucky and the reason with that is pretty clear; cats are free or very cheap. Dogs are expensive or very expensive. : /
When people with no money and no real interest in the animal they are getting, get cats they let them run outside and breed.
We still have no stray cats actually, but cats are the ones needing shelters.
There are usually 5-50 cats in a towns shelter, while 0-4 dogs. And dogs are usually just hunting dogs who have ended up in another towns area after the prey...
No one would ever kill a dog that is not _seriously_ injured if it makes it to the shelter.
Police can sometimes shoot a dog that has been hit by a car tho, they are not that educated about whether the dog is seriously injured or just having its leg broken (which is not a reason to shoot it right there).
I am so sorry for all the places/people living there that have that kind of a problem with unwanted animals that there are places "just killing everything". : /
It would be really scary for me to live like that, because even if I would leash my dogs at all times, 10-15 years is a long time, it's almost sure that during a dogs lifetime it can escape at some point/get scared while on its own backyard and jump over the fence (we had that happen at new years eve with our belgian shepherd some years ago)..
It would be just heart-breaking to lose a pet for such a stupid reason.
Here the biggest fear would be if the dog is hit by a car but since they have their reflective vests and collars and there are very few roads it's not a big risk (not to mention they have never tried to run away).
No one would put a dog down even if it would bite a person who tries to catch it, since people understand that dogs are animals and their behavior while being interacting with strangers is not the core of their personality otherwise.
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Dogs aren't allowed in any public places (shops, mall centers, restaurants, etc) unless they're service/guide dogs (like mine) or tht the shop allows them. If a shop doesn't have the "dogs are forbidden sign" then technically, they're allowed. Restaurants are the exception.
I get how hard it is to prove to the police. It's better to have common breeders instead of backyard breeders and puppy mills. Well, at least you seem not to see many abandonned pets, guessing from your rely. Here, non-human animals are part of the family for many yet, an object/commodity for many others. They may love their pets, but the treatment is less than desirable. If these people move to a new home, a lot will abandon their pets. There are groups fighting to have pets of all type allowed in every apartments and home buildings.
I don't mind pure breed dogs as they're nice, though I like responsible mixed breeds. Whether it's a pure or a hybrid, I prefer the person who values health and happiness before money. Cats are known to e the "easiest" of pets (not for everyone!) and yea, dogs an be expensive. My service one is expensive due to vet bills. A lot of people don't do all vaccines and spay/neuter. Like, take the base when it's done. Shelters are full of unwanted pets or pets that were bought on a wimp.
I love your very last paragraph. The moment a dog bites someone, especially a child, there's an 85% chance of being put to death. The stigma on large breed, such as german shepherd and pit bulls for examples, don't help these beings. I understand breeds being raised for a purpose, even if it's an agressive one.
Do you live near farm lands or in the middle of a sky scrapper city? I'm in the city. People's reaction toward dogs, cats, parrots and foxes are different in the two places. If I was to walk a fox on the street I currently live, police might be called. A lot don't know/understand domestic foxes and often have irrational fears. The sad reality of fox ownership...
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You have it very different then where you live.
What I described is what it is here 'overall' so in my country the attitude doesn't change much from cities to small towns to countryside to the north. It's all the same laws everywhere.
But I live in the south -this is the most crowded area in our country-, at the border of a small town. Fields start behind our apartment building, I have a one bedroom apartment with a balcony on the second store. : )
(Neighbors are super friendly so occasional barking and howling doesn't bother anyone haha)
But even tho people are 'more educated' here in the cities/towns/south, in the north I think the attitude towards dogs is more allowing, they are more understood.
I am starting to see here the weird attitude about dog never being allowed to bark/growl/bite, even if it is a human who is provoking/mistreating it.
When I was a child my grandfathers Finnish Spitz bit me on the face when I went to literally dive in it's food bowl...
No one considered it even a option to put down a beloved, good hunting dog. I was instead scolded for going there especially since I had been told NO multiple times, heh..
We have near to none puppy mills. Most of our puppy mill-pups are from the poor neighboring countries and illegally brought here..
(I think that the biggest reason why we don't have puppy mills is that it is illegal to sell cats and dogs in pet stores, the second biggest reason is our Kennel Club -it does it's best to label every breeder who breeds mixed breeds to have a puppy mill....
I like responsible mixed breed breeders best, i'm not gonna have any purebred dogs myself - expect if we some day want a shiba and find a good breeder -or if there is some 'rescue' case that is one of the few breeds we could consider.)
Of course sometimes it is found out that someone has a puppy mill in their basement or something, but it's maybe one or two cases in 5 years..
Backyard breeders are a thing here too, but they are so frowned upon that they are not that common.
Also 'dog people' here wont consider unregistered dog to actually even be purebred and you can't go to the dog shows with it so that is another thing encouraging people to buy from certified breeders.
We also have next to no actual kennels 10-20 in the whole country), every dog breeder here is just a dog owner who also has litter or two per year.
same with cats, no big 'kennels'.
"Here, non-human animals are part of the family for many yet, an object/commodity for many others. They may love their pets, but the treatment is less than desirable. "
This is true in my country too, just gladly not the abandoning part.
It is not very easy to abandon your pet here, police is gonna be after the pet owner quickly since it is animal abuse to abandon an animal.
Only junkies who move to 'nowhere' "can" do that, since when you have your official address change done someone would contact you about the animal anyway.
Here many people wont spay/neuter their dogs -including me.. I will spay Puppy either when she is older or when she has had her puppies (if she is gonna have good health results). Dog is not gonna be neutered if it doesn't have any medical reason to be..
Also spaying/neutering dog puppies is considered cruel and I personally am not selling my puppies to anyone who will spay/neuter as a puppy (but not to anyone who is gonna breed them carelessly either).
What comes to neutering over +2 years old dogs i'm indifferent about it when it is other peoples dogs, I just don't want to do it to my own dogs, even if it would make it easier for me especially now that we have one bitch in heat and one intact male here and they can't be taken to run at the same time and need to be kept separated almost all times.
But vaccinations and worm medicine are things that almost everyone takes care of.
If someone doesn't give their dogs vaccinations they are gonna get lots of scolding from basically anyone.
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I don't have a lot to write.
The spay/neuter, breeding, shelters, vet care and attitude differ a lot from your place to mine, therefore, I guess it's because of populations, stigmas and knowledge about non-human animals. Yours seem to have better understanding of domestic species' behavior and care. I do see that the public value human more than other species, to the point of degrading them. It's quite normal to like your own more than others, but to an extant. If we speak of cats and dogs, the former is viewed as insensitive while the latter is seen as loyal and emotional. A lot buy pets without knowing how to take care of them, as you and I wrote earlier, and I feel that pet stereotypes, stigmas against one and the needed knowledge about theses species is lacking due to a dense population that...doesn't know.
If we knew/shared more about their behavior and attitude, maybe then the need to spay/neuter, abandonment, unethical shelters and stray pets will have lower rates. I have no idea, yet it's worth thinking. You say that spaying/neutering puppies is considered cruel at yours and I understand. I'd agree if I lived in a well-managed place, but currently, it's better that people here spay/neuter them as shelters are full, too many stays and a lot more pets are euthanized than adopted. More people don't take full care of their dogs, so they may flee to mate which can worsen the problem.
Not everyone is like this of course. I'm speaking in a general/global view.
One question: What do you mean by "bitch" when you say we have one bitch in heat and one intact male here? This term is more known as a degrading insult, but I've seen it being used often by dog breeders and I don't quite understand.
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The cat/dog 'stereotype', where I live it is also a common view that dogs are 'better' and more 'loyal' and loving, even if the two species are just different, neither one of being 'better' than the other (well, of course for certain purposes/types of work the other is better than other but in general).
I agree that in a place where there are lots of homeless/stray animals the neutering and spaying is a very important and necessary part of taking care of the problem.
Ah, I'm aware that the word 'bitch' is an insult too, but it's very commonly used when talking about dogs (at least all the dog breeders that I have been speaking English with when buying a dog/talking about dogs have used the word for their female dogs and it is common on kennels websites too).
So that is what I was referring to, sorry for any possible offense or misunderstanding. :' )
So yeah our puppy is in her first heat and naturally our other dog is very restless about it. At these moments I sometimes hope that he would be neutered but then again, I have my own morals about it and he will only be neutered if it is necessary for his health.
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Agree with you!
You can even compare dogs breed used for different purposes, such as service/guide, farm, police, etc.
No worry, you didn't say anything hurtful. I ain't used to see this word in that sense. Same can be said for "this is a schizophrenic situation" in which few pages say what it means. This one is an example.
Hope your dogs will go fine.
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Poor little guy. He looks adorable here, the tip of his tongue is even sticking out. I can imagine him trying to catch snow flakes.
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Thank you, and I agree. He absolutely loved playing around in the snow
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No problem, you are welcome!!!
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He was sooo cute !
Sorry for you. But he will be always alive, in your heart.
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Thank you and he sure was :3
He was the best little guy, I'll never forget him. I cant wait to get some more pictures up
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aawww she was such a cutie!! sorry for your loss, Fray
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I miss him so much, after all this time, and it still hurts. He was truly the best fox in the world. <3
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awww 
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Oh what a little cutie she was! You can just tell that she has a lot of sweetness in her.
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Sabre was actually a he. But yeah he did, he was like my little baby and he would jump into my arms and was just the sweetest thing in the world. I miss him so much <3
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Oh I'm so sorry, Sweetie! How did you acquire her?
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Its totally alright. I got him from Dave (hes the breeder that like 90% of the mountable ranch foxes come from on here XD) But hes also pretty popular in the pet fox world too, his website it Tiny Tracks
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Oh my! I live about 3 hours North of him in Valparaiso, Indiana! My two poms are old (12 and 13 years) and I have seriously thought about getting a kit once they pass on. I met an arctic fox named 'Blue' when I camped at a campground in Michigan (he was the owner's pet). He came out and greeted me, wagging his tail just like a dog! Of all the different foxes Tiny Tracks have, do you think the arctics can adjust to domestic life a little more easily than the reds?
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How awesome! I wish I lived that close XD And thats awesome that you got to meet one
From what I hear reds are easier to litter train and have in the house. Regardless both reds and arctics MUST have an encloser. The worst thing about foxes is that they smell awful regardless if red or arctic. I always hear of breeders saying that there favorites are grays. and there less stinky lol
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Thanks for the info! I am a retired agoraphobic, so I am home most of the time with my pets. I knew about the enclosure, but I thought that only the un-neutered ones had a musky smell!
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Yes, several years back. I miss him so much, he was my little baby <3
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