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Went with a more dinosaurian anatomy for this godzilla. Didnt want him to have those thunder-thighs either.Bottom, large sketch was basically seeing if I could make Godzilla using different parts of other dinosaurs. Sort of went Frankenstein there...
(not a fan of the spikes either)
Top design was made with a friend's input in mind. He's not a big fan of Godzilla's traditional look so I had him give me instructions on what his preferred Godzilla take would look like based on his aesthetics.
Middle right is of a more slim and fit Godzilla, one that's able to fight against Titans (AOT) and Evangelions with easy maneuverability while still being juuust powerful enough for them to be a challenge.
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Abelisaurid down the bottom. What species is that? It looks like an Eoabelisaurus, but I'm not too sure
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I think it's Majungasaurus.
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Nah, the nasals have to be more rounded, have a more pronounced parietal, a more pronounced midline crest and a bridge in the middle of the eye socket to be a Mujungasaurus. It looks way to basal, but I'm still not sure.
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Are you gonna do the other kaiju like Rodan, Anguirus, or Varan?
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Awesome! This is a great take on Godzilla!
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Well now I'm wondering what a scientifically plausible kaiju would look like,
one that could actually move about on land as well as in the water without the risk of suffocating under its own weight...
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Looks more like Zilla to me to be honest. :"3
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This is still my FAVORITE Godzilla design! A very cool Dinosaurian look (and love the spikes, reminds me of the 98 Godzilla spikes).
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ya know, before Legendary films made their version I always wanted a design of Godzilla that was honest to the original but still updated to look like a slim dinosaur (not like the '98 version) and honestly I would have loved to see this version on screen, you actually took a lot of research into making this one and it gives just the right image we would have loved to see c:
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I can live with this in my life! The removal of the thunder thighs makes him look way more mobile, which would be very helpful in his massive brawls. Excellent redesign!
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This sort of reminds me of the Godzilla design from Godzilla vs the Gryphon.
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Now that you think about it, it reminds me of that too.
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Nice!, I like how you draw the spikes on his back!
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In a way it invokes a lot of Marvel's Godzilla, actually. Very cool. To often Dinosaurian Godzilla's get lame because they can't seem to shake off making him a Tyrannosaur with plates. It's as if there's an entire world of Dinosaurs to work with.
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Not my personal favorite interpretation of Godzilla but this, especially the middle image, is probably my favorite take on this concept.
Sorry man, but you just can't beat the classics. Giant monsters are not meant to be scientific and realistic. Also the traditional Godzilla would obliterate the Titans and probably curbstomp and Eva or two as long as that special snowflake Unit 1 doesn't get involved.
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>giant monsters are not meant to be scientific and realistic
Legendary: Hold my beer.
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He's not realistic either. He's just more detailed than other versions of Godzilla. It's the same basic design. A creature of that size cannot feasibly exist, and that's the point.
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I'm just gonna put this right here.
markwitton-com.blogspot.com/20…
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The point I’m trying to make is that although some giant monsters might be more similar to animals than other does not mean we should bend their designs to the degree of making them blown up dinosaurs to accommodate scientific accuracy. I still hold that the classic Godzilla, as well as his 2014 incarnation, make more sense anatomically than any of these dinosaurian takes for creatures of that size, being more equipped for holding their wait. Some science can be applied to Kaiju, but we should not change these inherently impossible creatures from what they were to align with this. I am not hating on G14, but the next time I see a tyrannosaurus with spikes being passed off Godzilla, I doubt my argument will change all too much. Furthermore, getting mad that a movie from the 50s does not align with modern interpretations of dinosaur anatomy is kinda stupid, though I doubt it’s what many of these redesigners have in mind. No no, their focus is on being the next Godzilla Neo.
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Giant monsters arent meant to be scientific and realistic, but it shouldn't stop artists from trying out new ideas, regardless. Can't argue against preference, all cool.
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Ok, I understand. I didn't mean you couldn't make stuff like this, I was just stating my opinion. After all, it's not like you said that this is how Godzilla should be or anything, it's just your interpretation, and who am I to argue that.
Apologies if I came off as rude or whatever before. Like I said, this is actually probably my favorite take on the concept. I can't tell you how many generic spiked T-Rex's I've seen people try to pass of as Godzilla. This however, remains faithful in spite of it's scientific approach.
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All cool, and I agree, I personally cannot stand Rexes with fins all over DA.
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the topmost one kinda looks like if you crossed Indominus rex with a Komodo dragon 
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"one that's able to fight against Titans (AOT) and Evangelions"
I assume you not know much about the Godzilla series or AOT or Evangelion
Godzilla at his strongest is a dimension buster and on average a multi star buster
so I don't know what your implying from that statement
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If I may interject, the dimension buster statement is false. the most Godzilla has done is destroy a single planet, Earth,in the comic Godzilla in Hell, and that was with help from another monster. Hardly a dimension buster. Powerful for sure, but not on that level. Despite the "God" in his name Godzilla is not factually such.
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Not to mention he also fought against space Godzilla within the heisei Godzilla manga series which throughout the entire series, all the monsters were powered scaled up tremendously
such as space Godzilla being able to survive Super Nova and even stronger explosions and Destoryah was even more powerful
also "If I may interject" its a public comment thread so yay you don't need to say that
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I haven't read the mangas so I was not aware.
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they are hard to find and I had my father have a fellow co worker look around for copies when he had gone to japan 2 years ago. They are really good btw
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The statement is implying exactly how it sounds. Godzilla's been done over and over again, with powers and durability ranging from low to high. I'm just referring to his body proportions, being dexterous and fast enough to fight said adversaries rather than being the incredibly slow and chubby tank he's normally portrayed as.
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Well that would really matter based upon
Durability and Weaponry
Godzilla at his weakest (I'm not referring to 1954 cause 1998 is no longer legally an incarnation) Godzilla can survive a dozens of nuclear bombs
Also the only times Godzilla could he considered chubby are
1954
1994-1995
2001
20014
9 incarnations
And shin Godzilla
That would exclude
1955 - 1975
1999 - 2000
2002 - 2004
20 whole other incarnations
Not to mention the various comic depictions that almost are no where close to chubby
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I understand his durability and weaponry in the past. But since he's a character in a constant state of change, one could easily bring those stats down for the sake of the story and/or new enemies. Characters like G & Superman get boring after being seemingly indestructible for so long. I'd like to see him more vulnerable to up the risk and stakes. More entertaining to me in my honest opinion.
Almost all are chub and overly lumpy, idk what you're referring to as "no where close to chubby". Link some images, I'd like to see what you're referring to. The only time I can recall where he wasnt a fat tank was in 1998 (and if you can count the Stan Winston concept in 94).
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understand his durability and weaponry in the past. But since he's a character in a constant state of change, one could easily bring those stats down for the sake of the story and/or new enemies"
slippery slope fallacy also a designer would lower that state to be unable to take a nuclear blast or radiation cause by that point he would be devoid of what he represents
even then if he was downscaled that wouldn't matter cause if your comparing characters at their strongest but not doing it for the other character is inept and makes no sense
- which is what death battle actually - if you rewatch goku vs superman you'll see that they actually messed up numbers and multipliers for goku
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DealmC… shown here as reference
Superman get boring after being seemingly indestructible for so long. I'd like to see him more vulnerable to up the risk and stakes. More entertaining to me in my honest opinion."
funny enough superman has gone from a character that stood for something and was written to be a god like alien that is unable to relate to humanity but now he's like every other character
also here are instances of Godzilla that aren't chubby
and once again 1998 isn't legally Godzilla anymore
1955
www.kaijukits.com/library/pao/…
2005
vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/t…
here are 2 for example
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Not seeing how it's a slippery slope argument. One could easily rewrite Godzilla's origin to fit the story. It's been done several times, from his evolution from a dinosaur, to his awakening of the 1954 bombing, to him being powered by the souls of old Japanese warriors (iirc). I wouldn't bother using the "it's not what it originally represented" argument since Toho themselves have done it before (remember, they gave Ronald Emmerich the thumbs up during production in 1998).
Rewriting and taking complete creative control over his origin and physiology can help create new stories and take the character into different directions that haven't been explored before. Not like Toho themselves haven't done it prior.
And a 'slippery slope fallacy is "a consequentialist logical device in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related effects culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect. As such, the core of the slippery slope argument is that a specific decision under debate is likely to result in unintended consequences."
This isn't politics, this is story writing, we have control over what happens. No 'unintended consequences'...which makes me wonder how this 'downscaling' wouldn't matter. I understand your example of the whole SM v DBZ example, but rewriting a character and making it another reincarnation helps solve that problem by separating it from the original or other renditions (which has been done over and over) rather than sifting through decades of source material that ScrewAttack & SethTheProgrammer had to do. Starting from scratch helps rewrite the character and its limits, just as every new Godzilla seems to get bigger and stronger every time, the knife cuts both ways by lowering the character's size and strength.
These Godzilla's you sent are indeed slimmer compared to those like Hensei's, but still, their thighs are disgusting. Still needs slimming there, at least in my preference.
Zilla isnt Godzilla legally anymore, I know, but he was still a redesign whether he has the same name now or not. Can't rewrite history.
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Your gmk origin isn't his origins that's the 1954 Godzilla that was resurrected so his origins remain it's only an explanation to why he returned
Also your bottom statement just said even if the monster isn't related to Godzilla is a incarnations of Godzilla anymore despite Toho stating this multiple times it's still Godzilla, yay Zilla is his own monster and Toho staff have gone on to say that the creature in the 1998 film was Godzilla. Stating it was a redesign only made sense when that was still true back in 2000 when Toho bought the rights to the design and rebranded the character
Also actually no Toho did not ok 1998 Toho actually
- gave the writers a list of attributes that Godzilla needed which included
Atomic origins
Breath
Indestructible
Can't eat people
And a few others I can list of the top of my head
Emmerich actually bucked the system and gave Toho the ultimatum that if he didn't get more authority in the creative process then they would have to find someone else for the project which Sony and Toho did not have the time for
Not to mention the original design for 1998 was a redesign Heisei version that emmerich showed Toho to placate them then scrapped it for his own design
Also actually there are not that many Godzillas in the time line
2 from 1954 - 1975
2 new incarnations from 1984 - 1995
4 from 1999 - 2004
And 2014 and 2016
Not to mention the 1954 Godzilla cares over each incarnation with a different story and only altercations to the origin but all stemming form the same Idea of atomic origins
However rewriting and separating from the original becomes a problem when only done for one character which was done and they even messed that up
Also i must ask have you actually seen a Godzilla suit upclose and seen that the thighs are designed so they are padded so people don't break anything inside the suits I mean when your getting onto plastic models that is gonna hurt without proper padding
Not to mention when the suits got slimmed down 3 suit actors broke something inside the suits
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Lol, it's not hard to follow dude, Zilla, whether he's his own character now or not, was still intended initially during it's creation to be a redesign of Godzilla. That was the reason he was made in the first place. Legal names cant erase that fact.
Except they did accept TriStar's design, if they didnt then the creators would've gone back to the drawing board.
"Tatopoulos and Emmerich attended the meeting to pitch their Godzilla to then Toho chairman Isao Matsuoka, Godzilla film producer Shogo Tomiyama, and Godzilla special effects director Koichi Kawakita."
Wikipedia page, Production section, last paragraph:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla…
Never heard of this 'list' you're referring to. In all honesty it sounds like something too convenient for fans who would bring it up instantly in an argument to keep their beloved Toho from looking bad. Got a link for this 'list', I'd like to read that 'cuz I dont see it on the Wiki page.
Again, you can easily rewrite his origins, while keeping the atomic origin, and still come out with a stronger or weaker rendition of Godzilla. The writer has the power to do so. Just because someone tried it before and failed, doesn't mean someone else cant try it themselves.
No, I haven't seen the suit up close. I understand the technical aspect of performer constraints and assistance, but they don't need to look bloated to where it looks like his leg muscles are about to burst, similar to the Michelin Man. I can see the argument working for the earlier suits, since they were made from scratch, but around the 2000 era, you'd think they'd fix it by then. Could've been smoother like the 2014. And even with Shin Gojira, Toho still seems keen on sticking with thunder thighs. Which I still don't like.
All in all, I see no issue with my ideas presented initially. They could still be pulled off. Besides, one of them are actually being worked on as we speak (Godzilla vs Evangelion).
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(Godzilla vs Evangelion) I don't think that is happening
Also this also tangent still doesn't change the fact that Godzilla could fight the titans or angels
"Except they did accept TriStar's design, if they didnt then the creators would've gone back to the drawing board.
"Tatopoulos and Emmerich attended the meeting to pitch their Godzilla to then Toho chairman Isao Matsuoka, Godzilla film producer Shogo Tomiyama, and Godzilla special effects director Koichi Kawakita."
Wikipedia page, Production section, last paragraph"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCDHN… watch this series it covers interviews and goes far more into detail then a wiki article. Also yay people can add and detract from a wiki page.
2014 - that CGi so I don't see that applying
Shin Gojira- supposed to look like keloid scar victim that is mutated and the bare resemblance to the 1954 suit which had larger thighs anyway
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Seems like they will be making a GvE movie. At least that's the word so far.
otakumode.com/news/56ff3307382… !
The video series you linked
"Also yay people can add and detract from a wiki page."
Because, you know, that's where most of the official information *is*. So yeah, I'll use Wikipedia as a source, because they actually give source links to their statements, not linking a random YouTube guy rambling things that you have no way of knowing are true or not.
But to my surprise, he did have a decent source, a massive 4 part story book. I read through the article about where Sony screwed up. Not surprised, Sony is famous for screwing up everything. BUT it's not how you've explained it at all...
"Not to mention the original design for 1998 was a redesign Heisei version that emmerich showed Toho to placate them then scrapped it for his own design".
No no, Emmerich didn't scheme or plot a trick to fool Toho into doing what he wanted to do. They showed the Zilla design sketches, paintings and even the full maquette that Tatopoulos made. Your source does not match your previous statement, therefore making you sound a bit biased.
"Emmerich actually bucked the system...etc". Doesn't say they hadn't the time for it, but they were very persistent in having America make a film (despite having multiple great concepts prior to 1998, though those were mostly Sony's fault). That wasn't cheating the system necessarily, that was luck on Emmerich's part. Remember, they approved Tatopoulos' design. That was Toho's decision. Same with the 'list' of design requirements (at least for the design list. Doesn't say anywhere about Emmerich deceiving Toho in their direction of the film). Tatopoulus wasn't given the list, despite him winning them over with his original design anyway... Also something to remember, Toho gave the previous concepts a lot of tight restrictions and shit, but yet when 1998's design was shown at the meeting, they accepted it with only two minor changes.
Toho's response after the design leaked:
As the bad buzz grew, Toho attempted to assuage fans’ fears about the upcoming film. “We have heard stories about the interest in the new design for Godzilla,” Toho publicist Masahiko Suzuki stated. “TriStar has shown Toho the final design and received approval. We think TriStar knows its American viewers and what will make them happy. Out of respect they consulted with Toho, so we could see what they were doing with their design.”
Toho's response after 1998's negative critisism:
But Toho called these critcisms unfair, claiming that Japanese moviegoers and reviewers who had previously been dismissive of the Godzilla series were suddenly embracing the monster as their own in the face of the American film. “Hollywood realised the sophisticated computer graphics and other technically impossible things here in Japan,” argued Masahiko Suzuki. “The film is enjoyable even for long-time Godzilla fans.”
Also a good read:
On December 14, 1998 Toho surprised Godzilla fans with the announcement that they would begin production of GODZILLA: MILLENNIUM (eventually known as GODZILLA 2000 ) for a Christmas 1999 release in Japan. The news spurred rumors that Toho had pulled the Godzilla license from TriStar in anger over the studio’s ‘mistreatment’ of the character, rumors repeated by those unaware of — or ignoring — the fact that Toho had fully approved Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin’s plans for Godzilla. In truth, Toho was simply exercising a clause in their 1992 contract with Sony Pictures that allowed them to make their own Japanese Godzilla movies, separate from TriStar’s. Toho currently has a similar agreement with Warner Bros. and Legendary, and new Japanese and American Godzilla movies are both now in development.
Also a good read:
While the monster goes unnamed in the film itself, Toho’s GODZILLA: FINAL WARS promotional materials identify it as “Zilla”. This led some fans to declare that Toho had ‘disavowed’ the TriStar movie and officially changed the name and copyright for the 1998 film and creature from “Godzilla” to “Zilla”. But this mistaken belief ignored both the terms of the 1992 contract and Toho’s long history of creating multiple versions of their monster characters.
I guess it seems Toho isn't the great noble company who can do no wrong that I've seen many fanboys argue. More so enjoyed the wealth of information on just how much back story there is to Godzilla getting into Hollywood back in the 80's and 90's. I knew they had multiple iterations that were scrapped but had no idea it was that in-depth. Pity they weren't put on the big screen. I actually understand the direction the 1998 went with more too, shame the script was still trash.
"2014 - that CGi so I don't see that applying"
It still applies because it's how the outer skin and muscle is shown/designed. You could probably implement what 2014 did with smoother muscle definition and apply it to a suit, though that's just the price you have to pay when using a suit rather than a hand-drawn or CG model. The anime coming up seems to be doing so, just too straight now it seems.
I know Shin's design reasoning but I was referring to the legs, not the skin texture. The thighs are still unfavorable and ridiculous looking to me, which is why I also don't see Toho making a better design in the future (could be wrong with Godzilla: Monster Planet). The thighs to me are a huge turn off, so I avoid them as much as I can.
And this convo is taking way too long. Dont like carrying on with these for more than a day or two. May or may not respond back, though I do thank you for the SciFi Japan link through the (lame, tbh) YT series. That was a good read.
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that image was confirmed not be confirming a film it was to sell and promote merchandise that was GvE related
www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news…
also referring to shin look at the 54 design and shin's and they are pretty much the same.
Not to mention your thanks aren't needed.
and ive been less trusting of Sci-Fi japan seeing as they have been known to take great deals to change articles which Keith Ed and Bob have stated before
And I have better things to do currently then continue this
and my original point still stands which has been lost through this whole thing
Also a good read:
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Characters in nearly every kind of media face some form of reboot or "refresh" to their older designs, as Fred mentioned earlier, Superman has been through many himself, from being barely able to lift a bus to being able to drag planets to going back down in power to something much less over the top. Character design and powerset tends to change per writer, this too Godzilla (Or Gojira) is included and has been shown countless times in regards to his size and even his durability, hell at one point being able to fly which are done for the sake of the plot or "wow" factor.
Its all down to the story telling in most cases.
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You say "not to mention" a lot.
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