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Noneroner In reply to Leona-Rory [2019-03-26 12:53:37 +0000 UTC]

I don't like being told what I find sexual or inappropriate, though. Just because something is sexual/attractive to someone, doesn't make it inappropriate or offensive. Breasts are not inherently sexual organs, nor have anything to do with reproduction. They have the sole purpose of feeding the young. Anything beyond that is subjective conjecture. Some people find them attractive/sexual, and some don't. Same way some people find feet attractive/sexual (many, actually), and some don't.

The only way for something to be "offensive" or "inappropriate" is for people to be put off by it, but to be put off by something is the opposite of being attracted to it. I find some boobs off-putting because they look the OPPOSITE of attractive. Man boobs for one thing. If anything, THAT is the shit that needs to be covered up. People don't wanna see that. There's more reason for people to wanna see a woman's breasts. Our society has it bass-ackwards where we cover up what's generally seen as attractive and allow what many consider off-putting to be on display.

But again, it's subjective. Breasts are in no way sexual by nature. That's how they've been treated and advertised in our society. The reason why they're so sought after or sexualized is because they're treated as taboo and covered up to begin with. People are always drawn to the "forbidden fruit". It's a sexualized mindset that people are inherently groomed to have, but there's quite a few who don't look at breasts that way.

The ones who especially don't look at breasts that way are those who live in societies where both male and female toplessness is equally fine and very common. They're used to the exposure, so the sight of breasts doesn't affect them, especially because their society doesn't unnecessarily sexualize them. They're not advertised or treated like sexual objects, so they're pretty much regarded the same way a male chest is regarded. For them, the thought of seeing breasts the way we're told to see them in our society never even crosses their minds. It has nothing to do with the breasts themselves, but how a society molds people to think/feel, which is the reason why female nipples are treated differently than male nipples, even though they're physically the same fucking thing.

Speaking of which, there's lots of women who do find the male chest attractive/sexual. There's people who have a fetish for a lot of body parts, some parts more than others. That in no way makes them sexual by nature. The only explicitly sexual parts we have are between our legs. Everything else is purely subjective, and which parts we want/like to play with in the bedroom is completely up to us, but does NOT make those parts any more sexual than other parts that we don't find attractive while others do.

What I'm saying is, society and the way it and the media has treated breasts are what made them appear sexual. But we are not a hive mind. Not everyone thinks that way. Even so, finding them attractive or arousing is no more reason to say they should be covered up than saying an attractive face should be covered up. It's a dangerous slope, one that follows the same line of thinking that forces Muslim women to wear hijabs because "their entire body is sexual and otherwise the men cannot control themselves". That line of thinking is wrong and unfair to women.

Does that mean I don't find breasts attractive? No. I definitely do. It's not the only part of a woman I find attractive, though, and it's silly that only that non-sexual body part has to be covered while I have parts that women generally find attractive that I don't have to cover up. Breasts are nice to look at. Nothing offensive about them at all. Quite the opposite, really. If I saw them more often (as in, if they weren't treated as taboo), I'd get more used to them and probably think nothing of them. I'd still find them attractive, but I'd be anesthetized to the sight of them. I wouldn't have trouble controlling myself around the sight of boobs. Even if so, that would be MY problem to deal with, because not everyone sees them the same way.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't be tempted to give a nipple twister or nipple pinch, but I do that to guy friends too in the same spirit of... well I just like messing with people. I'm all for giving equal rights, equal treatment, equal opportunity, and equal inherent respect for all races, sexes, and orientations. The best way to break down barriers and build bridges between different groups is to not treat them differently or act weird about it, so I'd just as soon pinch/twist a girl's nipple if she had them exposed as I would a guy's. If girls would have to cover up because of that, then guys should have had to cover up long ago. It's all in good harmless fun.

It's all about context. Certain actions can be either sexual or playful/non sexual, depending on the context. You can't just look at the actions themselves. Taking context away changes EVERYTHING. Breasts CAN be sexual, in the context of being played with during sex. In that context, a person's entire body becomes sexual, because it's being used for sex. You can't just say "People like them and play with them during sex, so they're sexual" and call it a day. Functionality-wise, that is NOT what breasts are for, not how everyone treats/sees them as all the time, and not the only exclusive non-sexual body part that can be/is sexualized by people.

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Lokitheg0d In reply to Leona-Rory [2018-07-06 16:57:40 +0000 UTC]

Hey did ya even think about gay guys I get turned by the male form especially the chest so yeah maybe you should think about more than your cisgendered heterosexual fantasy world.

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Leona-Rory In reply to Lokitheg0d [2018-07-20 15:39:33 +0000 UTC]

I know guy gays do, but I'm not talking about just finding something attractive in a sexual way. I mean something that causes sexual arousal, or reminds you of sex in a sense. Or, you could even say, is only observed in a sexually mature adult, thus showcasing it causes shame. Guys have their flat tits all their life, and they can have abs if they train as a kid pre-puberty. Breasts, however, are only something women have developed after they've sexually matured. Notice how no one cares if they see a 10-year-old girl with a bare chest, for example.

And men and women do have genitalia since their birth, obviously, but it's only when its reached its mature form that it becomes a problem. Again, parents have no issue bathing their small child and seeing their privates. Once they've become teenagers, though, they refuse to do it.

Plus, even if gay guy men did see a bear male chest in the same way heterosexual men see breasts, then that would only be valid for 3-10% of the population (or maybe less than that, since I believe that percentage includes lesbians). That's not exactly comparable to the number of prepubescent boys and straight men that would get inappropriately turned on by tits, so it's a bit of a mute point.

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FynihiArcana In reply to Shinobody [2018-02-01 23:56:59 +0000 UTC]

Why are people on deviantart when they're supposed to be working? Sounds like we're catering to the wrong side of the argument. As for the kids, there are ways for parents to monitor and block the sites they visit. If they don't take that initiative then that's their own fault.

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Shinobody In reply to FynihiArcana [2018-02-03 05:12:25 +0000 UTC]

First, many office jobs are extremely boring and involve a lot of downtime when there's nothing to do but you're still on the clock, and you might as well browse the internet. Seriously, you've never heard the expression "not safe for work" before?

And second, yeah, the Mature rating is one of those ways. Imagine a kid who likes to draw and share art on DeviantArt (they have Mature deviations disabled), but their parents catch him looking at art depicting naked people despite no Mature rating, and decide to ban the kid from using DeviantArt, so they no longer have a place to share and browse art.

Does anyone want something like that happening?

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Shibasaur In reply to Shinobody [2018-02-18 01:42:24 +0000 UTC]

Also like

If your kids young enough or if your that uptight to ban ur kid for looking at a titty you need to check out the website before letting them see it

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Shibasaur In reply to Shinobody [2018-02-18 01:41:31 +0000 UTC]

You do realise schools go on field trips to art muesams that have lots of nudity of both males and females..right?

Either way, artists shouldnt have to be forced to restrict themselves because some kid or some adult MIGHT get in trouble.

Your at work/a kid and you see a thumbnail that shows nudity and you STILL click it? Thats your own fault.

If your not old enough to realise theres a time and a place get the fuck off the internet.

This IS a political issue, so many people getting so fucking butthurt by female nipples meanwhile a blob of a man can walk around with mcfucking bootyshorts on and no one blinks?

Bitch the fuck??

Either i can show my tiddies or draw them and not have people ride my dick or none of yall can ya cunt.

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Shinobody In reply to Shibasaur [2018-02-20 11:38:14 +0000 UTC]

You realize that not all views of DA use thumbnails? Some availible views use simply titles of the deviations...

Also how is this 'political'? You don't seriously believe that putting handful of naked pictures of the internet will result in any serious political change? Like maybe if this was e.g. TV or public spaces, but noone is going to care about internet.

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Shibasaur In reply to Shinobody [2018-02-20 11:41:44 +0000 UTC]

Lmao i never said putting naked pictures is political did i? Dont undermine what i actually said bud. If a man can be shirtless in public media or outside without people flipping out so should a woman, ours are no more sexual than mens.

Also, your point is? If you dont want to risk seeing something less than ideal dont go onto an *art* website. Period.

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Ailions-Ephesians In reply to Bomi-Bun [2017-09-03 21:44:01 +0000 UTC]

Huh? Wait are you saying you think this artist is a feminist? 😄

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Bomi-Bun In reply to Ailions-Ephesians [2017-09-03 22:12:02 +0000 UTC]

More than likely, based on this ridiculous ideology. 

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Ailions-Ephesians In reply to Bomi-Bun [2017-09-03 22:33:34 +0000 UTC]

You should read the discription before making such a claim cuz shes not. This is a jokingly lighthearted response to people flipping out at a photo of hers. Its poking fun at people who feel the need to sensor everthing about the body because of fetishes making things more perverted than they are (like feet) and kids roaming around sites they aren't even supposed to be on. No feminazies here man. Fuki isn't even from the USA or caught up in the mess going on here 👍

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Bomi-Bun In reply to Ailions-Ephesians [2017-09-03 23:37:38 +0000 UTC]

Im actually referring to the nipple portion. The message is very clear. She's essentially mocking how it's morally fine to display male nipples, but not female ones. Also, she's from Poland. It's part of the west.

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Ailions-Ephesians In reply to Bomi-Bun [2017-09-04 00:03:38 +0000 UTC]

Well besides women's breasts having somewhat different tissue and our nipples secreting milk when were pregnant there really isn't a difference. And we have boobs to feed babies not have sex with so seeing them as a sexual item is more personal preference than anything else. Theres nothing morally wrong or overly sexual about a topless girl compared to a topless guy. Genitals are another topic, and the artist already stated there is no vagina showing in the original picture. Also the man nipples part is an obvious joke.

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Bomi-Bun In reply to Ailions-Ephesians [2017-09-04 00:38:56 +0000 UTC]

Yes, but breasts still are a factor that represent a woman's fertility, so there is an element of sexuality to them. To topple this off, men are far more visual than women. Men on the other hand? Just flat nothings.. The best you can get out of them are pecs.

Trying to treat the two things as though they are equal is mute.

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Ailions-Ephesians In reply to Bomi-Bun [2017-09-04 01:44:28 +0000 UTC]

Lol sorry but I've seen men with bigger moobs than my boobs man! 😆
I get what you're saying but at the same time itd be easy to counter that with the argument that because mens chests are (usually) flat they should be sensored for being so "abnormal" compared to womans. Both chest differences relate to the opposite gender so saying one is more sexual to the other doesn't exactly work either. Im not a feminist, (they tend to piss me off) but I do see how its easy to flip flop statements like this one.
I do understand what you mean in the sexuality aspect though. The way many men see boobs is the same way many woman see a mans crotch bulge. Its something we don't have so we are more inclined to be curious, interested, and aroused by it as well as develope standards to the general "ideal". In the same way its also less recognized for the whole of its function like boobs too, because men must use their penis for urinating as well as a sexual organ and its often only associated with the latter in conversation. I even remember learning about sex as a kiddo and being disgusted about it for a long while because it was like "What!? Eew but you pee out of that, pee is grose! I don't want that in me!" Over time of course we develope an understanding of the enjoyable and even sensual side of it as we get older and yadda, yada, I'm sure you know. 👍
Im general I feel like there are a lot of things that we as a species need to get over about the opposite sex. I cant help that I have boobs as much as a man can't help that he has a penis and thats that for me. Their both things that kinda "stand out" and we can't control that so the only reason I see to cover them up besides personal choice and being a very modest person is to cater to the fading idea that our difference in basic appearances is somehow harmful to the other gender dispite there being a lot of good to learn from it and appreciate about eachother, like the old age Idea that woman shouldn't show anything above the ankles because it was seen as sexual at the time. I understand the protection of the weaker aspect I've seen talked about a lot too of becase as a 5'2" 125lb female I know my chances of fighting off almost any man bigger than me are slimmer even if I had self defense training. But if its a 100 degree day and a man has the right to take off his shirt but I don't I do feel there is a bit of a problem there. To me nipples are nipples and sex bits are sex bits. Censoring should all come down to how someone is using poses and ect to visualize their intention for the figure and really thats all this person is trying to say.
Also sorry for the looooong ass reply! Im horrible at getting into long deep discussions when writing comments. 😆

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WaningZane In reply to Ailions-Ephesians [2017-10-12 13:39:27 +0000 UTC]

i wish i could upvote comments on this site but i can't, so i'll just leave you this.
 

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Ailions-Ephesians In reply to WaningZane [2017-10-12 20:22:44 +0000 UTC]

Haha thank you. Hes so happy looking. Made my day😂

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WaningZane In reply to Ailions-Ephesians [2017-10-16 06:50:16 +0000 UTC]

haha, he is! and no problem!

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