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Description Finally I watched "The Lion Guard", and I do not like it, Kion is not so bad but the story... The story is like a middling fancomic, where authors do not care about character's original personality and storyline... And I hate the design.

But anyway, it's not our case here. Now I watched it I can officially speak to you about "my" version of  Simba's cubs. =3

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Kopa: Kopa is the oldest, he is the cub seen in the end of TLK, he is born the same years as Kovu ( 295 ). Simba was very proud of his firstborn and had big project for him. Kopa was also friends with Nuka and Chuki, who was exiled with their mother. The three had a strong friendship, until Zira discover it and try to kill Kopa, he escaped thanks to Shule and her mate. He is presumed dead by his parents.

Shani : She is Kopa's young twin, she really looks like her mother, but had the temper of her father. She was with Kopa when Zira tried to kill them, the striped lioness hurt the little girl and she fall in the river. She is presumed dead by her parent, like her brother.

Kiara: Kiara is born from the second litter of Simba and Nala ( late 299, early 300 ) . She is the first of the litter. She grew as an adventurer and clumsy girl, but she was always nice and no one ever blame her. When her older siblings disappeared, ( no one told her how ) she is the next in line to be queen, and his father became overprotective, to her dismay...

Kion ( aka, Kiongozi ): Kion is the second cubs of Nala and Simba's second litter. He is a very VERY imaginative cub. He do not play very much with his siblings, preferring to play a game "lions guard" with his friend. He heard the story of the extinct " Guardian order" and imagine a whole story based on the second born to be a lion guard who protect the kingdom ( instead of the king), because of his need to reconnaissance. When troubles become more and more serious, Simba decide to sent him to Chaka's adoptive pride to protect him from Zira.

Chaka: Chaka is the third cub of the litter, and so the last cub of Simba and Nala. After his older cubs' "death" he became a little bit paranoid and to avoid any assassination attempt for his last son, he betrothed him to princess Timara, the daughter of one of his neighbor. Chaka was very close to Kiara, but had difficulties with Kion after his father send his brother to his new pride. He really adored his older siblings, particularly Shani.

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Here is their story as cubs, I will also do at as adults. 

Why I chose this story?

Kopa = Because I like the idea of a explanation to "Why Simba is so annoying in
TLK2". If he lost cubs because of Zira we can understand him. It ( for me ) explain why he became so different from the first movie.

Shani = In TLK2 first story line, Kiara did not exist, but Shani did. Her design and personality seem close to Simba's. So I made a Shani who is close to Simba, but with Nala's traits.

Kiara = Because she is a canon character. And I try to respect her nature.

Kion = I do not hate Kion. But I don't like "The Lion Guard". It does not make sense at all. It's like "hey, it's all magic! And I'm more important than the queen! Where was I in TLK2, oh yeah, I do not care! And Kiara is so serious, not like in TLK2! Scar tried to kill Mufasa but was still in the pride? ect..." It only can be possible for me to consider this show as canon if, and only if Kion is a very imaginative child, a little bit jealous of his sister and who want to be important for the pride. So he image he have magic powers and IS important, so important that his father trust him enough to load a cub to protect the prideland. He also imagine his sister is "a perfect little queen" and that he will become as "good" as her, when she is actualy a kind of trouble maker. Also in my comics, there will be the "order of guardians", ( I imagined it BEFORE TLG ) so I had it to Kion's case. He learned about it, and so he did a mix with all he knows for his imaginative world.  

Chaka: In the first story line of TLK2 Chaka was Shani's twin. I decide to create a Chaka as a twin for Kiara. A good guy who support his family, even if he is away from them.
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Comments: 25

RedGekkouga [2016-07-23 08:05:58 +0000 UTC]

Why is everyone calling Kion, Kiongozi?

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MeteorPawz In reply to RedGekkouga [2016-11-20 19:12:20 +0000 UTC]

because,Kiongozi means "lider" and Kion is a short version for Kiongozi

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RedGekkouga In reply to MeteorPawz [2016-11-22 00:38:38 +0000 UTC]

Well, they never said it in the show..

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MeteorPawz In reply to RedGekkouga [2016-11-22 00:39:19 +0000 UTC]

yeah,but,people call him like that,because,Kion doesn´t have a meaning

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RedGekkouga In reply to MeteorPawz [2016-11-22 03:20:15 +0000 UTC]

Ok.

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RedGekkouga [2016-07-23 08:05:00 +0000 UTC]

I don't get the numbers?

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Keznen [2016-02-05 16:28:48 +0000 UTC]

I'm the same way about Kion. I don't hate him, but I hate TLG.

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CAMINUSA [2015-11-29 14:35:26 +0000 UTC]

Aww ils sont trop chou ! Ca fait du bien de voir des lionceaux qui tiennent un peu de Nala !!
Et perso j'ai plutôt bien aimé The Lion Guard...Après oui, pour "les vieux fans" certains trucs passent juste pas...Moi perso ce qui m'a le plus gênée, c'est Simba et Kiara...Enfin Kiara, même pas son changement de caractère, mais genre quand elle balance Kion, j'étais franchement surprise...

Après y'avait des trucs ça gagnait tellement à être développé, genre dans la chanson de Kion le "Deep down maybe I knew, it was way too good to be true" ça sous-entend pas mal de trucs intéressants sur un complexe d'infériorité mais...bwah, c'est pas tellement exploré quoi, dommage...

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Gemini30 In reply to CAMINUSA [2015-12-01 13:16:25 +0000 UTC]

A mon avis c'est pas une question de vieux ou jeune fan XD C'est une question de logique, les plus jeunes ne voient pas ce qui ne colle pas avec TLK ou TLK2. Alors que nous autres, nous les voyons. 

Y a pas que du mauvais, mais je trouve que le manque de continuité et de cohérence gâche tout. Et puis la série veux se donner un coté sérieux, comme les films. Le problème c'est que le film est sérieux et que la série ne l'est pas. Des bébé animaux qui protègent la terre des lions, c'est pas très sérieux... 

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CAMINUSA In reply to Gemini30 [2015-12-01 20:24:29 +0000 UTC]

Oui voilà...Après du coup je me demande comment ils vont adapter les dangers auquel Prideland va faire face, parce que c'est clair que voir une bande de petits animaux braver de gros dangers heu...
Enfin après c'est d'ailleurs un problème que j'ai eu avec Fuli, autant son côté un peu hautain ça passe, ça sera très certainement développé...Autant, bien que ce soit en effet un animal très rapide, je suis pas si une jeune guéparde est réellement "la plus rapide" o_o

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BKtheGrumpyCat [2015-11-28 22:21:10 +0000 UTC]

Tes idées sont vraiment intéressantes!

Je n'ai vu que quelques extraits de TLG (j'ai pas trouvé de lien pour tout voir, j'dois pas être bien douée) mais déjà l'animation ne me plait pas du tout...

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Gemini30 In reply to BKtheGrumpyCat [2015-11-29 08:44:36 +0000 UTC]

Merci =3

Je suis du même avis, je trouve l'animation horrible, même les jeux vidéos sont mieux animé. 

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BKtheGrumpyCat In reply to Gemini30 [2015-11-29 19:32:24 +0000 UTC]

J'ai regardé TLG (encore merci pour le lien) et verdict.... Je n'aime pas vraiment
Kiara qui devient la petite fille modèle, qui va même jusqu'à rapporter le comportement de son frère

Ce n'est que mon avis mais les personnages ne sont pas assez introduit tout comme l'histoire. J'ai eu du mal à accrocher avec sa bande de copain et Bongo (je ne suis pas sûre du nom) m’insupporte au plus haut point ._. Et j'ai l'impression que ce film-ci et beaucoup plus enfantin et moins "sérieux" après c'est peut être moi qui ai grandis ou qui suis à côté de la plaque

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Gemini30 In reply to BKtheGrumpyCat [2015-12-01 13:11:36 +0000 UTC]

Moi tout pareil =S
Ce qui me choque c'est que ça colle pas avec TLK2 du tout, quand KIara est adulte dans le 2, elle est toujours insouciante et empoté, pas comme dans TLG...
Et j'accroche pas aux nouveaux personnages, le seul qui ne me pose pas problème, c'est Kion. 

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CougarHearted [2015-11-28 20:01:55 +0000 UTC]

Looking at this got me in the mood to watch TLG on my DVR. But here's the catch-- someone deleted it from there! D8 T_T

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Gemini30 In reply to CougarHearted [2015-11-28 21:02:05 +0000 UTC]

I will give you the link for streaming it  

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CougarHearted In reply to Gemini30 [2015-11-28 21:40:22 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow! That was immensely kind of you. Thankyou so much!!!

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Gemini30 In reply to CougarHearted [2015-11-29 07:57:55 +0000 UTC]

Oh, that's nothing, I'm glad to help . You're welcome. 

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MauEvig [2015-11-28 19:34:54 +0000 UTC]

I see your points but I always figured the reason Simba was so paranoid in the second Lion King is due to him having PTSD after seeing his own father die and being blamed for it. He's a bit protective of Kion after all but probably knows that he's a more responsible cub over all (he doesn't go into the Outlands like his sister Kiara does.)

I do think Kion is jealous of Kiara though. But the magic stuff doesn't really bother me all that much. ^^ Like some other fans people think the Roar of the Elders is more Spiritual than Magic, and there's plenty of Spirituality with Rafiki as he communes with Mufasa's spirit and Mufasa comes before Simba. ^^

Also I figured as an older lion, Kion would be fighting the hyenas while Simba and the rest of the Pridelanders are fighting the Outlander lions on different fronts. Nuka does mention something about the "hyenas running off" after all. ^^

Though as far as Scar goes...yeah that part doesn't make much sense. Why wasn't he banished? The only thing I can think of is...Mufasa just didn't know about it. But there has to be a reason Mufasa shows hostility toward Scar at the beginning of the movie and an explanation for what happened to Scar's Guard. (One of Scar's guard could probably now conveniently be the father of Nala now. ^^)

I think yours works though. It is a valid theory that Kion is just making everything up,and it makes sense he would be sent to another pride for protection. Kiara wouldn't be sent to the other pride because Simba still needs her there.

I'm not sure what to do with Kopa, Shani or Chaka. I might exclude them, but I could probably also have them born after SP...and go along with an old plot I had where Kiara and Kovu had trouble conceiving...so Kiara taught Kopa to be the next King (maybe Kion is just not interested in being next in line at that point) but then when their daughter Leelou is born, Kopa runs away out of jealousy.

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Gemini30 In reply to MauEvig [2015-11-28 20:50:25 +0000 UTC]

Simba as adult in TLK do not act the same way as he did in TLK 2. A PTSD appear after the "trigger" he did not take long before the symptoms appear. It's why I use Kopa, because I'm not satisfied with the PTSD, but I accept your theory and I know many people use it ^^.
I don't agree with you on TLG point, Simba is not protective at all in TLG. He let his cub alone, Kiara OR Kion, when in SP Kiara is constantly supervised, even when she is an adult! . His personality is neither like in TLK nor TLK 2. Add to that he clearly favor Kiara.

When it's well done, I have nothing against magic. In TLK we can doubt about the "magic" stuff, because it could be spiritual. Like Mufasa who speak to Simba, Simba could have "dream" his father. But in TLK it's like:
<< But, what... It's no sens... I... >>
<< Oh, Shut up! That's magic! That's all!>>
In TLG we can't have this doubt, it's not spiritual at all. The "Roar" is real and Kion doesn't know Mufasa, but here he saw him ( with a clear vision, not a gosht vision like Simba saw). 

Well, I admit Kion could not be here for a few time, but not the whole movie, mostly if the pridelanders need help. Zazu could fly and ask Kion for help very quickly. Prideland is not so immense, above all for a bird who can see very very far.

If Mufasa did not know about it, who could possibly can? Be serious "He tries to kill the king, and killed his guard with the roar, and lost it. But no one told it to Mufasa, after all it's not because his brother try to killed him that he will try ahain, uh? "
And I don't think, if he killed his guards ( and try to kill him), Mufasa would only be hostile to Scar. He would have banished him, or killed him, or anything, but not just be cold with him... Or Mufasa is an idiot. And I don't think he is.

None of Simba's cub really look like Nala, in my universe Shani and Shaka look like their mother. It maybe do not satisfy you, but like them and will put them in the story. ^^

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Aspi-Galou [2015-11-28 19:27:32 +0000 UTC]

J'aime beaucoup tes théories ! ^^
J'ai personnellement bien aimé The Lion Guard, même si c'est pas un chef d'oeuvre. J'ai trouvé ça mignon et pour les enfants ça va être sympa. Et faut dire que Disney a eu du mal avec la venue de MLP !

Coup de coeur sur Shani !

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Gemini30 In reply to Aspi-Galou [2015-11-28 21:00:45 +0000 UTC]

Merci <3

Moi c'est pas que j'ai détesté, je pense que ça aurait pu être bien pour les enfants, mais là y a trop de couac... Déjà l'animation est très mal fichu je trouve, ces espèces d'image de synthèse bizarre j'ai l'impression que ça vide complètement les personnages de leurs âmes ( et OMG quand ils se déplacent...) Et les proportions, beurk! 
Les décors étaient par contre pas mal, ça m'a même fait marrer par ce qu'ils sont beaucoup plus réussi que les personnages! XD 

Après, l'histoire colle pas, ça fait à la fois trop sérieux pour des enfants ( quand j'étais petite y avait des dessins animé où les enfants "pensaient" sauver le monde, et ils vivaient des aventures et tout, mais c'était dans leurs imaginations ) et trop bébé pour un public plus vieux. 
Je ne parlerais même pas de Simba qui favorise Kiara ( genre il a rien retenu de l'histoire SCAR/MUFASA ) ou du fait que celle-ci soit l'opposé même de la Kiara de TLK2, et encore moins de l'histoire de Scar qui était un lion guard mais il a voulut tuer tout le monde, on est au courant, mais on l'a laissé surveiller Simba et rester dans la tribu. 

Non, trop de couac pour que j'apprécie cette série. 

Par contre, le personnage de Kion m'a légèrement surpris, je n'ai rien contre son design, qui est tout à fait convenable, et bien qu'il ne fasse pas grand chose dans le film, il passe assez bien comme héros jeunesse. Rien à dire sur lui, c'est peut être le meilleur personnage. ^^ 
Par contre la moitié de son équipe ne sert à rien. =S 

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Aspi-Galou In reply to Gemini30 [2015-11-29 19:12:30 +0000 UTC]

C'est sûr, il y a beaucoup d'incohérences...Et c'est vrai que Simba était un rien connard avec Kion.

Quant à Kiara je l'ai beaucoup apprécié ! Elle me rappelle VRAIMENT Nala, alors qu'elle était complètement vide et presque insipide dans TLK2. Le fait d'avoir un petit frère lui donne un côté pimenté, ça me plaît !
Et j'aime beaucoup leur relation fraternelle, conflictuelle, mais on sent quand même qu'ils s'apprécient l'un l'autre même s'ils se disputent.
Frère/soeurs quoi ! XD

Mais le coup de la Lion Guard de Scar...Meh

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Gemini30 In reply to Aspi-Galou [2015-12-01 13:21:44 +0000 UTC]

Sur, il est pas sympa du tout du tout avec lui. 

Bah moi ce qui me gène c'est justement ce changement de caractère soudain, ce n'est plus le même personnage. ( Exemple: Même adulte elle a des problèmes pour chasser, car trop dissipé dans TLK. Mais là elle sait super bien chasser en temps que lionceau dans TLG ). 

Par contre leur relation passe bien, d'où ma théorie que Kion se sent inférieur à sa soeur, et c'est pour ça qu'il joue au "lion guard" où il tient un rôle plus important que la future reine que tout le monde applaudi, même si en vérité Kiara est indiscipliné et insouciante.

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Aspi-Galou In reply to Gemini30 [2015-12-04 21:54:03 +0000 UTC]

Surtout quand on sait qu'il a été quand même élevé par un phacochère et un suricate ! 
C'était pas des lions ! XD

Enfin, malgré ses défauts assez gênants, j'ai trouvé ça regardable. Et il y aura la série aussi. Sans doute aurons-nous des surprises. ^^

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