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Another Godzilla, but no Symbiote this time.Instead, The Hulk has decided to join the fight.
It's kinda one-sided though, unfortunately. I mean, The Hulk was created by radiation, making Godzilla's radioactive breath mostly useless. All he can really rely on is his brute strength and amazing stamina, with which the Hulk is no stranger. So, as much as I hate to admit it, I'm afraid the Hulk may well be the victor here.
Maybe Godzilla will get his re-match after he fuses with the Symbiote. Maybe I'll develop this into a full-fledged fanstory. But maybe not. Who knows.
One thing I do know is that this picture is nothing but a first draft. There will be a cleaned up version, but I don't know when.
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rakaru In reply to ??? [2012-11-28 05:38:12 +0000 UTC]
Godzilla's radioactive breath, when spread out, can erupt a few miles in flame. Linear logic would then dictate all that power into one force would be much stronger then spread out. Hulk's growth in power and faster healing aren't a problem since, as I said before, Hulk is weak towards other forms of radioactivity.
That is true, but if we watch the end of the Heisei Era, Godzilla Jr is the one who is standing. Linear logic would dictate, then, that he is the Godzilla of the millenium movies, and therefore the same being throughout.
If we were going off the comics this who Godzilla vs Hulk argument is flawed because Godzilla already beat him, I am not going off the comics. Also, your logic is flawed, here is why. If I have a top-of-the-line phone, it is top-of-the-line until someone makes a new one, does that mean the old top-of-the-line was never the best? No, it was the best. As Thor was at his best when Godzilla destroyed him. End of story, get back on topic.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-28 06:26:09 +0000 UTC]
Hulk isn't weak towards other forms of radioactivity. He has walked out of nuclear explosions unscathed.
No, none of the millenium movies treat each other as canon. There are plotholes that make them impossible to occur in sequence. Seriously. The Godzillas even look different between Final Wars and Godzilla vs Megaguirus. Osaka was the capital of Japan in Godzilla vs Megaguirus, and is a sequel to only the first movie, and NOT a prequel to Final Wars. You aren't using logic. Those are two separate beings.
NO, THOR WAS NOT AT HIS BEST WHEN GODZILLA FOUGHT HIM. You have not proved that point. You actually just proved my point. If something is top of the lin at it's point in time, that is everything up to that point in time, while the future holds capabilities of being more powerful. Yes, Thor is much, much more powerful in the future than he fought Godzilla. He surpassed the strength of his previous self. I can't make this any more clear. IF THOR WAS WRITTEN TO BE AT HIS STRONGEST UP UNTIL A CERTAIN POINT IN THE PAST, THE FUTURE STILL HOLDS OPPORTUNITY TO BE STRONGER. It has, and Thor is now much, much stronger than he was in the past. I don't get why you can't understand this. It's no different from beating your personal best score on something. You may set a record at a time, but in the future, you can easily become much better. I won't let you declare it as the end of story if your logic doesn't even make sense.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-28 14:43:57 +0000 UTC]
If you don't like facts you are in the wrong place, kiddo.
No, I disagree with you. But to say time, I will be using four different movies; Godzilla Final Wars, GMK, and Godzilla x MechaGodzilla, and Godzilla vs Megaguirus.
If Thor was at his peak FOR THAT TIME, that means Godzilla beat him at his peak FOR THAT TIME. Its like getting the high score on a game, someone coming along and beating it, then declaring yourself the winner because you can "easily get much better," that's not how it works but that's what you are saying, see the lack of logic in that?
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-28 15:57:43 +0000 UTC]
I do like facts. I am using them. You, however, are not using reasoning. Honestly, stating your ideas as facts isn't the same as them being facts, or using a logical line of reasoning based on those ideas. I pointed out your fallacies.
No, none of those movies are canon with each other, besides two of them. If they were in the same timeline, there would be too many continuity errors for it to be possible. All Heisei Godzilla movies are canon with each other, and Showa ones are assumed to be (for the most part), but it is not true for the Millenium series. For example, Osaka was the capital in Godzilla vs Megaguirus, but Tokyo was in basically every other movie. GMK is a completely different plotline, because this Godzilla has a different backstory, as do all of the other monsters. Again, the only two movies that are within the same canon in that generation are Godzilla X MechaGodzilla and Tokyo SOS. THIS IS WHERE YOU BEGIN TO DENY FACTS. This isn't a matter of opinion, this is a matter of chronology; those movies are not canon with each other,
Okay, but if you are going to use that point, Thor was always at his peak pretty much all of the time, because he is a superhero who becomes progressively stronger! He has always been at his peak "for that time", so you have proved absolutely fucking nothing. The bottom line is that Thor is so much more powerful now than he was in the past, and a Marvel comics version of Godzilla beating him then doesn't mean shit, so congratulations for proving absolutely fucking nothing. You cannot prove that the strongest version of Godzilla would defeat the strongest version of Thor.
Thor has fought enemies like the Midgard Serpent, Galactus, and was able to break a Celestial's armor. He uses the Odin Force, and current Thor has unlimited power. He would DESTROY Godzilla in a fight.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-28 22:11:54 +0000 UTC]
And I corrected you, or just dropped them like a rational person would.
When do they say Osaka was the capital? And since when does the placement of the movie make it not continue with other movies in the timeline? If that was true, Planet Hulk and World War Hulk would be non-canon to each other nor any of the other comics that he was spawned from.
Are you retarded? I never set out to prove Godzilla could beat Thor, I set out to prove he could beat Hulk. And even if I had set out to prove that, I would be right. Godzilla KILLED Thor in their timeline, meaning that any Thor after would be non canon to that Thor, so congrats your proved nothing.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-29 03:49:56 +0000 UTC]
You did not correct me. You haven't proven anything. I addressed all of your claims. I showed you Hulk's feats and you tried pointing to arbitrary bullshit in order to prove Godzilla's prowess. Godzilla destroying a meteorite that is estimated to be the size of the Earth (which is debatable) and then killing two monsters doesn't show how strong that one feat is. Also, Godzilla hasn't suffered from any planet busting blasts, which the Hulk has.
Godzilla has had his hide pierced many, many times. This happened in Godzilla vs Gigan, GMK, Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla, etc. If you choose to consider all forms of Godzilla canon (which you don't have to; I don't), then Godzilla can be easily harmed.
At the beginning of Godzilla vs Megaguirus, it is stated that the capital was changed to Osaka after the first attack in 1954, placing it in a separate timeline from the other Millenium films. Also, the backstory for every monster is different in GMK, so his feats in that movie aren't the same as Final Wars Godzilla. Again, only two of the Millenium movies are canon with each other.
Also, prove to me how World War Hulk and Planet Hulk are not the same hero with the same feats.
You tried to use Godzilla's Marvel victory over Thor to prove me wrong, and now you are trying to change your claims to defend yourself. The bottom line is that Godzilla's previous victory has no relevance.
At this point, your shamelessly trying to rehash my criticisms of your arguments against me. At least try to be original.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-29 04:13:17 +0000 UTC]
No, you showed me Hulk's feats, I told you how Godzilla did better, then you started screaming about how the movies aren't all canon to each other. If me and you are in a race, you go around the track 2 times, I go around once plus fight off two guys, I would have more physical endurance. Like in Beowulf, when he raced Breca and lost but because he fought off monsters, same thing as this.
In GMK they had to get the little torpedo thing inside of him through his mouth, I don't see how that pierced his hide. In Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla, it doesn't show that, dont go off speculation.
Again, how does the capital make the films non-canon? Does the fact the Planet Hulk not happen on Earth make it noncanon to the rest? No.
I am just using your logic. All Millenium movies are not canon because they change the settings, Planet Hulk doesn't happen on Earth (where the rest of Hulk's story takes place) and so, through your logic, isn't canon.
No, I brought of the comics to tell you Godzilla has beaten Thor, not to introduce them as claims in this argument. To use an analogy, that is like me and you arguing about cars, then you suddenly bring up a boat, so I inform you that the car has already beaten the boat, and you take it as I said that car beat every version of that boat.
I am not rehashing, I am trying to debate with you but you keep 1) making this an ad hominem argument and 2) bringing up Thor, whom I don't even care about.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-29 04:27:07 +0000 UTC]
First of all, screaming? How is that possible over the internet? lol. There are other feats to prove Hulk's physical endurance. The problem is that you are trying to compare physical endurance to hitting power. There is definitely something to be said for physical endurance, but it's like arguing that a deadlifter is faster than Usain Bolt because he can lift more.
Godzilla bleeds whilst fighting MechaGodzilla in either Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla or Terror of MechaGodzilla. This did happen.
The capital makes it noncanon because the capital of Japan is and always has been Tokyo in pretty much every Godzilla movie besides Godzilla vs Megaguirus. Hence, it is a parallel universe. Planet Hulk is canon because it's the same Earth, Hulk is just sent to a new planet. That's why these two scenarios are much different. You don't seem to understand my logic whatsoever. It's not a matter of physical setting; it's a matter of historical events that do not coincide with each other. Don't try to tell me what my own arguments are.
I said that both Hulk and Thor could beat Godzilla, and you addressed that with the idea that Godzilla already beat Thor, however, I responded saying that it wouldn't be the case now. You responded to my argument as if to combat it, and now you are trying to back away. If you don't care about Thor, then you should have never brought him up. If you wish to drop Thor from this debate, then Thor can defeat Godzilla.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-29 04:42:55 +0000 UTC]
Would you rather I said "bitching"? I am comparing what Godzilla's body can take, a black hole, to what the Hulk's body can take, at most a super nova. Black hole beats a super nova, thus Godzilla has more physical endurance.
My mistake.
Where does it say in any of the movies after Megaguirus that the capital is Tokyo? In Final Wars and Godzilla x MechaGodzilla they don't address it, so you are just assuming it switches back after that movie.
Mostly, you are right. I didn't combat it though, I restated I dont know how many times that Godzilla beat Thor at his peak for the time, and you kept coming back with some nonsense about not being his best ever. That is what I kept trying to get you to understand. I do not know any of Thor's current powers, which is why I never compared the two, so I can't say one why or the other.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-29 04:57:40 +0000 UTC]
Christ, I'm not bitching at all, lol. You picked this fight. As I stated previously, Godzilla from Godzilla vs Megaguirus is not canon with the other Millenium Godzillas.
Tokyo was referenced as the capital in the following movies. Also, Godzilla's appearance is different in Final Wars and GMK are much different from the other Millenium movies. Godzilla vs Megaguirus is within its own timeline (as is GMK). Actually, it's pretty much the same case with Final Wars. Also, notice how none of the events or concepts pretty much in any of the millenium movies are referenced in each other. That only happens with Godzilla X MechaGodzilla and Tokyo SOS. However, references between films and linked continuity were a thing during Showa and the Heisei Era. The attempts to create a timeline for the Millenium Era are all fanmade and are riddled with errors. There is so much imbalanced continuity for it even to be argued.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-29 05:33:30 +0000 UTC]
This fight was dead like several months ago, you restarted an old argument, good job kiddo.
No, it wasn't, you just assumed, and you should never assume. I don't understand why you keep bringing up GMK, since I haven't used any examples from that film at all, hell, I don't see why this continuity thing is still such a big issue after I specifically named the three or four movies I would use as reference.
I also love how you slowly stopped talking about Godzilla vs Hulk and made this a whole argument over continuity and some other stupid debate, good on ya.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-29 05:44:27 +0000 UTC]
You're saying that I am making assumptions? You are assuming that all of the films flow into one canon. By believing that they are all one coherent story, you are making an assumption. Godzilla vs Megaguirus and Final Wars are not in the same canon, as I said, only two Millenium films are. Tokyo SOS treats Tokyo as the capital of Japan, as it would be. Why are you trying to arbitrarily connect two films in order to have your preferred version of Godzilla? Continuity isn't up for fans to decide.
Understanding the continuity is essential to understanding Godzilla as a character and what he can do. This is a sub argument. It often occurs in a debate. I haven't lost sight of my original idea.
The point is, the Hulk's feats outdo Godzilla. Godzilla hasn't lifted, destroyed, resisted, or regenerated as well as the Hulk has. You are trying to make the argument that Godzilla had the energy to fight multiple monsters while the Hulk only destroyed one meteor, however, the Hulk pretty much never tires. I've seen Godzilla flee battle more times than I've seen Hulk tire.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-29 05:58:58 +0000 UTC]
If one movie says its the capita and no movies after that deny it or even reference it, logic would reason that it is still the capital. You are assuming that, because it never references it again, the capital just goes back to being Tokyo.
A sub argument doesn't over shadow the main one, which you made it do.
All of that doesn't matter because Godzilla would beat the Hulk. World War Hulk was beaten by lasers, Godzilla is stronger then lasers, logic would dictate Godzilla is stronger, and would be, the Hulk. You can be stronger then me, in better shape then me, but if I have a gun and you don't I win. Hulk is weak to other forms of Radioactivity, Godzilla isn't. That right there means Godzilla wins.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-29 06:15:04 +0000 UTC]
No, I am assuming that based on the difference in appearance of Godzilla and the lack of references to happenings or concepts in previous films that there is no continuity between them. You are taking more of a stretch by assuming that they all must have the same story because you are linking them together. You are taking an arbitrary leap of faith, not me.
I already proved that Hulk can resist radiation, as he survived nuclear and gamma radiation bombs. Thus, he should be resistant to Godzilla's attacks. This is a point that I have already stated.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-29 22:36:12 +0000 UTC]
When one thing happens over and over, the people generally stop talking about it, like when people on Death row die that doesn't effect the other inmates. As a being grows, its physical appearance changes, some times drastically, sometimes less. Differing appearances with years between them proves nothing for the continuity.
And as I have already stated Hulk IS weak toward other forms of radiation. On top of that, once Godzilla absorbs all the gamma radiation the Hulk has he reverts back to Bruce.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-29 23:26:57 +0000 UTC]
None of the themes/concepts/events/monsters recur in any of the Millenium films. This, plus the change in appearance, plus the fact that none of them acknowledge the original continuity (Godzilla vs Megaguirus is basically incompatible with every movie before it besides the first movie), works as confounding evidence. When confounding evidence accumulates, it creates a picture of what the truth actually is. There is no reason for there to be any linked continuity in the Millenium films, and there are many reasons for it to not be. Even if you say that it doesn't prove it, the reasonable assumption is on my side, not yours. Basically, you are trying to link all of the films into one continuity, though they are not officially acknowledged to be.
The Hulk's powers aren't relative to the gamma radiation within him. He's already been altered genetically, that is the source of his power. How do you explain the Hulk surviving nuclear and gamma ray bombs? Those give off radiation, but he tanked them and survived the aftermath. You keep on saying that he is weak to it simply because of the cartoon, but in the comics (which are generally acknowledged to be more accurate, as it is the source of the character) he was able to survive radiation based weapons.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-30 00:03:34 +0000 UTC]
They all have the same theme, the concept may change but that is true for even the Hulk comics every time they got a new writer, copying the events over and over would make the movies boring and predictable, and why would they all have the same monster if Godzilla kills it in the end? Is Iron Man 1 not a continuity to Iron Man 2 because they never show the bigger Iron man the bad guy used? Change in appearance is something that happens naturally, that point is useless. original continuity? Again, the same thing happens whenever the Hulk gets a new writer.
When Hulk fought the silver surfer, the Silver Surfer absorbed all the Hulks Gamma radiation and the Hulk reverted. That was in the comic. The shows are canon, proof of this is She-Hulk herself who was spawned because of the show.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-30 00:35:19 +0000 UTC]
Iron Man 2 references events that happened in Iron Man 1. Don't even try to use that example. There is a reason to believe that many Hulk comics are canonical (besides parallel universe comics and such), but Godzilla movies are completely different. Stop trying to fight it. Here, even read the wikipedia page for the millenium series:
[link] (daikaiju_eiga)
"Unlike the Heisei era and, to a lesser extent, the Shōwa era, the Godzilla films of this series do not fall within a single timeline. Godzilla: Tokyo SOS is a direct sequel to Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla, but otherwise the films are unrelated with one another and include only Shōwa era daikaiju eiga in their individual chronologies, often only the original 1954 Godzilla,"
Yeah, so the Millenium series is not canon with each other, CASE CLOSED. Thus, the feats in this series cannot be attributed to the same Godzilla.
Also, when Darwin evolved to absorb radiation in WWH, he discovered that there is actually no end to the amount of gamma radiation that the Hulk holds.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-30 00:57:24 +0000 UTC]
Ok, but since I already said I wouldn't hold all the Millenium series as proof, and I even pointed out the four movies I would use, this whole sub argument is POINTLESS.
The whole Darwin thing just goes to show the inconstancy within the Hulk comics.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-30 03:35:37 +0000 UTC]
You used multiple millenium movies as proof of different feats. Honestly, I think the most average, most often used and most consistent version of Godzilla is Heisei. The Showa series is full of chronological confusions (expectedly, because that's when it was all about fun), the Heisei seems to tell the most linear story without any continuity errors, and the Millenium series is just a series of disconnected reboots. Even Showa, with all of its absurdity has more flow than Shinsei.
There is something to be said though about Hulk's resilience. The vast majority of the time, radiation doesn't really seem to affect him, and his reserves are incredibly high. Also, if you consider all of the beings within the Marvel Universe and compare it to the Godzilla universe, the Marvel Universe definitely has a lot more powerful characters to scale against in order to compare strengths. Nobody in the Godzilla universe compares to beings like Celestials, Galactus, Thanos (with the Infinity Gauntlet, of course), etc.
Godzilla is basically the strongest character within his own franchise, and there isn't really anything that can prove that he is a planet buster or anything of that sort, since he's never been pitted against that kind of thing. Hell, even in DBZ, it's easy to tell how strong characters are with the use of power levels, and if one character can outmatch a character able to destroy planets.
I would argue that there is less uniformity for Godzilla than for many Superheroes, including Superman, who is one of the most broken characters of all.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-30 04:23:02 +0000 UTC]
In the argument between you and me I only used Final Wars and Godzilla vs Megaguirus, that's all I got in before you started this whole sub argument.
I don't recalled saying Godzilla (or any Kaiju) could stand up to them, but alright.
Godzilla is the strongest in a lot of franchises, comic books just not being one. There is stuff the proves he is a planet buster, since he is basically a moving, sentient A-bomb. On top of that he has beaten monsters, like King Ghidorah, who are planet conquering monsters.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-30 05:07:22 +0000 UTC]
Neither Godzilla vs Megaguirus nor Final Wars are canon with each other.
Godzilla is a part of his own franchise only. Being an A-bomb does not make you a planet buster. That makes you a city-buster. King Ghidorah has conquered planets, but not physically destroyed them. No details were given on the status of the civilizations on those planets, so Ghidorah is not a planet buster.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-30 05:15:34 +0000 UTC]
I don't recall saying they where in that previous comment.
Being an A-bomb that never runs out of power, he has the potential to destroy every city on earth which would equal a planet buster. On top of that, it was shown in Godzilla v Destroyah that after Godzilla absorbs enough radiation be becomes a bomb that will envelope the world. That makes him a planet buster.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-30 06:15:07 +0000 UTC]
Being a planet buster means that one has the ability to destroy an entire planet within a few moves, and the entire planet, not all cities on the planet. Godzilla is not a planet buster for this very reason. A character like Frieza from DBZ is a planet buster, because he can blow up planets easily, within one attack. When people say "busting" relative to the abilities of a character's powers, it's what they can do in a limited series of moves. It would take Godzilla time to destroy a planet. See the difference?
Also, Godzilla becoming Burning Godzilla is different because when he explodes he dies. It's a suicidal attack. Also, the Hulk with the ability to jump outside of the atmosphere, can leap into orbit, and reenter Earth after the damage is done. Thus, if Godzilla went into his burning form, Hulk actually has more of a chance at survival.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-30 22:11:40 +0000 UTC]
It would take Frieza time too, it would take anyone from any series time, notice how you never actually see Frieza blow up any planets besides flashbacks.
When Godzilla absorbs that much energy, he lights the atmosphere on fire. I don't see how jumping into the atmosphere would help, plus Hulk would have to know the exact time Godzilla would blow for which there is no indication, plus never change back into Bruce (because the planet would be radioactive). But yeah, I guess if he made up for those he could survive XD
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-30 23:01:48 +0000 UTC]
You do see Frieza blow up planets. He did it in the Bardock movie.
The bottom line is, Godzilla is NOT a planet buster. He is definitely a city buster, but not a planet buster.
Hulk would jump OUT of the atmosphere. Also, the Hulk has survived explosions that are more intense than fire and has had his skin burn off and regrow quickly after being burned.
The Hulk, with all of his strength, could lift Godzilla (considering that he was able to lift a mountain) and toss him into space. If Godzilla doesn't die from being in space, he at least won't be able to function and retreat to Earth. If it was Burning Godzilla, then he would simply explode outside of Earth when his time came.
Just for the record, if the Hulk ever goes into space, he has survived reentry back to Earth.
The Hulk, even when enraged, is a hell of a lot more intelligent than Godzilla as well.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-11-30 23:15:01 +0000 UTC]
And movies are generally considered to be canon for anime characters? No, they aren't.
IF he could time it just perfectly right, given no warning not even the orange spots glowing more, IF he managed to do it then he would live, until he fell back to radioactive Earth, reverted back to Banner and died.
Godzilla has survived on planets with no oxygen. and I doubt Godzilla would stand in one spot, not blow fire or use a nuclear pulse, well being lifted into the air.
Being intelligent has nothing to do with it. Godzilla has beaten aliens who are a hell of a lot smarter than humans, and Hulk is stupid compared to humans.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-11-30 23:28:41 +0000 UTC]
The Bardock movie actually coincides with the plot for DBZ perfectly. Bardock is referenced as a character in DBZ, and the movie is his backstory. Toriyama even monitored the making of the movie. It is definitely a lot more canon than any of the Godzilla movies are with each other.
Well, we've seen how the Hulk deals with nuclear energy. Besides, if he can pick godzilla up at the right moment, he could do it. Also, if Godzilla blew up in space, then it would no longer matter.
Intelligence is a factor, because written intelligence isn't the same as displayed intelligence. If any alien isn't able to see through any sort of potential weakness on their own side, then they aren't intelligent.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-12-01 00:18:02 +0000 UTC]
That does not make it canon. Unless officially stated as canon, it is not canon. That's what you said about the Godzilla movies, right?
He would eventually revert back to Banner, humans are not immune to radioactivity, that means Hulk would die. That's assuming the Hulk would somehow know when Godzilla was about to blow.
Humans are smarter then the Hulk, the aliens are smarter then humans, Godzilla beat the smarter aliens. Intelligence isn't a deciding factor in this fight.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-12-01 00:29:58 +0000 UTC]
That's not what I said. There have to be references linking stories together to make one, coherent over arcing story for something to be canon, so no, that's not what I said for Godzilla movies. Also, in the Dragon Ball Z manga, you see Frieza destroy Planet Vegeta, and that being the original source of the story takes all precedence. The bottom line is that Godzilla is not a planet buster.
The Hulk wouldn't die if Godzilla exploded in space.
The intransitive property doesn't mater, and you completely missed everything that I said. Written intelligence is pretty much the same as written strength. Stating that a character is smart is like stating that your character is strong. You have to have feats to show how strong a character actually is. Also, if the aliens were that smart but were defeated by Godzilla, there is clearly some factor of their intelligence (whether it be engineering or just plain competence) that is lacking. This is the second time that I have explained this.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-12-01 00:42:34 +0000 UTC]
In a flashback, but its all another argument I do not care about.
Yeah, if Hulk can look at Godzilla and somehow tell he was about to blow up, then picked him up without Godzilla noticing, then threw him with enough time for Godzilla to exit the atmosphere before going off, Hulk wouldn't die. But how would he make up for all those "if"s?
The aliens, Xilians (I don't know if I spelled that right), they conquered space travel, and developed ships that where as tall as a 4 story building that could house giant monsters. That is intelligent, right? Humans made everything, obviously, but have not mastered space travel nor made a compartment that can hold many times it's physical size. Hulk has not done anything close to match the humans; therefor, Xilians > humans > Hulk. Godzilla defeated Xilians, intelligence is not a factor.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-12-01 00:55:56 +0000 UTC]
A flashback, but a canonical one. It is a memory of an event that happened, so yeah, it happened.
No, you can create whatever you want, but if you can conquer space but not defeat a monster, it doesn't show intelligence, it shows bad writing. If anything, it shows that Xilians lack practical intelligence, as opposed to technical intelligence. In many ways, it is a factor, because invention is what killed Godzilla in the first movie.
The bottom line is that the Hulk is pretty much resistant to Godzilla's rays and can pack quite the punch, with both throwing and hitting strength. He was also fast enough to catch a punch of the Iron Fist, and may I remind you that Godzilla is an incredibly slow monster. Don't try to deny that. The Hulk could accomplish a lot before Godzilla could really do much. Actually, the Hulk's size would serve to his advantage, because his hitting power is greater than that of most kaiju but he would next to be impossible for Godzilla to strike, and if so, it would do next to nothing.
The Hulk has fought enemies a lot more varied than Godzilla, and overall has more fighting experience. With this, his speed, lifting strength, striking ability, durability, and overall resistance he could beat Godzilla.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-12-01 01:08:27 +0000 UTC]
"No, you can create whatever you want, but if you can conquer space but not defeat a monster, it doesn't show intelligence"
Yeah, because interstellar space travel is elementary, right? That's just foolish. Intelligence is intelligence, Xialian > human > hulk. Intelligence is not a factor.
Hitting strength? That would be the "Godzilla got hit by a black hole" part, yes? Unless Hulk's punch can kill a star, not an asteroid, it wont faze Godzilla. Godzilla doesn't need to be fast to stop an ant from picking him up. For example, if I grab your arm and start to swing you around, you have plenty of time to hit me even if you are slower, and that chance goes up because of the Nuclear Pulse.
Godzilla has fought monsters more varied then the Hulk, and always remains on top. The only hope Hulk has is if Godzilla does go into critical mass and blows up, but even then there is more of a chance of the Hulk dying too.
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to rakaru [2012-12-01 05:15:48 +0000 UTC]
I explained this multiple times, but you are being really, really dense. If they aren't able to defeat the monster, then that's showing a lack of pragmatic intelligence. As I have explained, they have displayed engineering intelligence, but not the intelligence necessary to win a fight. It's written intelligence that is plot constructed, not obvious intelligence that one would use.
Why would the Hulk's punch need to kill a star? Godzilla has been fazed by attacks by other monsters in many other movies, and none of them were able to kill a star, or even an asteroid twice the size of the Earth.
This all depends on how Godzilla is picked up. His arms and his leg girth give him limited mobility. He couldn't really reach behind him if he were picked up by one of his dorsal spines.
No, compare every monster that Godzilla has faced to every enemy that the Hulk has ever faced since the beginning of his publication. The Hulk definitely has more variety amongst his enemies and more experience. Think of all of the powers that Hulk has had to face in the Marvel Universe, and think of how little variation there is in Godzilla's enemies in terms of forms of attack. A lot of monsters that he has fought don't even have any powers or abilities.
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rakaru In reply to SamuraiBrosnya [2012-12-01 05:38:06 +0000 UTC]
Dude, do you consider the human race intelligent? Since you must, you must also look at how many wars we have won and lost, even against ourselves. There is proof that intelligence is not always a factor in battles, the Vietnam war were U.S. had superior intelligence but we still lost.
Black holes kill stars, black hole ≥ Godzilla's durability. And the Hulk has been hurt by radioactivity, which is Godzilla's main weapon.
Nuclear Pulse is Godzilla releasing radioactive energy from every pour on his body, its basically a sphere of his nuclear breath around him.
More varied then Hulk, not Hulk's enemies. Like MechaGodzilla III had way more attacks then Hulk, thats what I meant.
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VALMAR3000 In reply to ??? [2012-03-02 18:17:21 +0000 UTC]
The same goes to superman. Superman and Hulk would both lose to GODZILLA! Don't fuck with GODZILLA!!!!!!!!!!
Or their will be a riot.
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KeiHeartU In reply to VALMAR3000 [2012-09-04 21:57:11 +0000 UTC]
I don't remember hearing anywhere that Supes gives out radiation.
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mdizzle999872 [2011-02-21 06:52:50 +0000 UTC]
Ah but Godzilla feeds on radiation. Why do you think you never see him eat anything?
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The-Kamidio In reply to ??? [2011-02-06 00:38:31 +0000 UTC]
However, Godzilla was created by radiation as well, and has a who gang of monsters to help destroy Hulk.
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rainman0187 In reply to ??? [2011-01-22 04:33:35 +0000 UTC]
Hulk is 8 Feet tall or about 7 foot 5 inches. He looks too big in Godzillas mouth. But dont get me wrong it is absolutely fantastic work. Only Hulk should be like the size of one of its teeth considering godzilla is a 100 feet tall lizard or 150. But Hulk at time would be able to stop the Godzilla from stomping. His mental anger and rage causes him to augment his strength level more. So Hulk will push away the big godzilla arahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
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XxHXCLIONxX In reply to ??? [2010-12-23 06:54:28 +0000 UTC]
p.s. awesome artwork btw! only thing bugging me though is the hulk is really big! the hulk is usually under 9 ft. even ang lee's hulk wasn't this big! lol well anyways keep up the epic paintings bro! XD
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XxHXCLIONxX In reply to ??? [2010-12-23 06:45:35 +0000 UTC]
ok im a huge fan of both. they both basically have the same powers.
but what people dont understand is godzilla is exactly like the hulk (a mutation from radiation, has fast regeneration that makes him immortal, and gets stronger as he gets angrier). but the difference is hulk is a radioactive human when godzilla is an over 300ft tall radioactive beam spewing dinosaur (not lizard like the stupid weak american godzilla. YES they are different)
also you have to count this in too:
1. godzilla feeds upon energy and his favorite type of energy is radioactivity! so if hes able to suck hulks energy... goodbye the hulk!
2. godzilla has fought many foes bigger and stronger than hulk.
3. godzilla has killed planet destroyers like King Ghidorah
4. godzilla has killed or defeated Gods/demons like King Caesar, Mothra, Megalon, and the 3 spirit gods in the movie GMK (i brought this up becuz some hulk fans are like "hulk can kill entities" well so can godzilla!)
5. godzilla has withstood nukes, armor piercing missiles, laser beams, ice beams, lava (hes lived in a volcano and swam in the earths crush), survived a meteor that him directly, survived a man made black hole, and he can breath without oxygen (seen when he fights the planet destroyer king ghidorah on planet X, sleeping countless years in water, and years in lava) so even if the hulk blew up the planet godzilla would still live. lol
im not saying godzilla can kill hulk 100% either though... (only way possible is if he sucks out the radiation than yes he maybe kill bruce) but he sure can beat up the tiny dude in my opinion. hulk would have to learn to walk away! lol
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SamuraiBrosnya In reply to XxHXCLIONxX [2012-11-27 16:52:10 +0000 UTC]
Godzilla's feats are NOTHING in comparison to the Hulk, though:
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1Wolfman In reply to ??? [2010-12-09 05:22:39 +0000 UTC]
HAHA I don't know, Hulk is the product of when a HUMAN exposed to radiation, Godzilla however is on a whole new level of nuclear-roid rage plus Godzilla's "healing factor" makes Wolverine's look like hello kitty band-aids
Hulk may be able to crack the wold in half, but G-man could melt it.
I guess I'm just too pro Godzilla.
Still it would be EPIC. Good Work
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dbzfan001 In reply to ??? [2010-10-03 23:36:49 +0000 UTC]
but my friend when maestro(who is basically future hulk) goes to the past in ground zero of the gamma bomb that created him he was anihilated so tat means godzilla's breath would work on hulk and if not godzilla could absorb the radiation inside him.
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Kaptain-Kefiah In reply to ??? [2009-11-08 16:21:11 +0000 UTC]
mmmh...
-Hulk got his power from gamma radiations...nuclear radiations...and 'God' is able to absorb radiations, draining Hulk's power and making him return Bruce Banner and so crush him.
-already said about 'God'' s atomic ray.
-'God' is not only stronger and bigger than Hulk, but even more intelligent.
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tarbano In reply to ??? [2009-07-18 03:20:47 +0000 UTC]
Considering Hulk's current position and big G's heat beam, I think where are going to have a king size green roast if you know what I mean
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