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It seemed to me that more and more so lately, I'm noticing disharmony between artists here on dev relating to the critique system. I don't think it's that artists don't want honest critques, I think it stems more from miscommunication and perhaps not everyone understanding how to give a helpful critque. In any case, I didn't think it would hurt to throw this guide together and just maybe, it might help improve communication between each other.Now, I don't want to sound preachy, either. These are just thoughts and techniques I have found work well for me. Like any other tutorial, you may find some work for you and some don't. Just take from it what you like and leave the rest behind
*Edit 3/13/05: re *tigrin 's suggestion, I went back and added some general and brief definitions for the formal elements.
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Critique. It’s one of those words that society has taken into one of the most negative connotations, and yet, it’s not meant to be a negative at all. In the art world, the idea of a critique is to examine the formal elements of a particular piece of art. It has absolutely nothing to do with passing judgment or assessing its validity, it is just a way to look beyond the obvious. It is an invaluable process within the artistic community and the responsibility to handle it properly should not be taken lightly.
Now, personally, I was introduced to the process at a very young age. Back in grade school, we had a woman that would come in once a month and we would go over several pieces and review the formal elements involved. Of course, my level of understanding at that age was not what it is now, but still, I knew the basics and if asked, how to approach a proper critique.
It has come to my attention that many people were not likewise exposed and are relatively new to the concept of critiquing the works of others. There seems to be a bit of high tension lately as some people are presenting things in a less than tactful way, upsetting artists, and in turn, getting upset and thinking that the artist does not want an honest critique. Well, I can’t speak for everyone, but I know for myself personally that is not the case. I do want an honest critique, but I also appreciate one done properly that shows respect for the work at the same time as examining it.
As many people do not understand the difference between those two concepts and many have not yet been exposed to the proper way to give a critique, I thought a little guide might be helpful. This is especially important here on devArt as if you are going to participate in the critiquing/commenting process, it’s best to do so with a full understanding of what is and is not considered good form.
First and foremost, the formal elements of art I mentioned include but are not limited
to:
Theme – the idea, emotion, or motif behind the piece.
Expression – how the theme is carried out in a piece on a technical level. What elements are employed to express the theme and how well does it read.
Line – how lines are used in the piece, both in the literal lines you can see and in the implied ones created by objects and directional movement.
Color – how color is used, including, but not limited to the tonal palate (warm tones like reds, oranges, browns versus cool tones like blues and greens), use of contrast and complimentary, and also how the color has been used to render and draw focus.
Form – how the artist has used rendering techniques to create a dimensional feel and how those forms then register and relate to each other.
Repetition – how shapes, colors, and lines can be repeated throughout a piece to create unity, pattern, balance, and/or rhythm.
Composition – how the different elements of the piece are arranged to give and specific effect or mood. The actual staging of a piece.
Balance – a more surreal term, does the piece feel balanced and well grounded where it is? Are the objects centered, or all to one side? Does one side seem to feel more pull than another?
Direction – somewhat related to balance, how the elements combine to create a pull to a common point in space.
Movement – similar to energy, but also including literal movement within a piece. How alive a piece feels, both for abstract and representational works.
Energy – the dynamics of a piece. Do the different elements like color, line, and pattern create a calm state or a more energetic one.
Rhythm – how elements like pattern, repetition, and flow work together to create an overall unified feel.
Flow – how the eye moves around the piece and how well the different elements relate to each other.
Focus – how the artist has used to formal elements to guide the viewer to a main subject area.
Depth of Field – how the literal focus has been adjusted to create depth in the piece, i.e., objects at a closer range are more/less in focus than those at a distance.
Emotion – also related to theme, but the emotional level or idea in a piece. Also the emotional response it elicits from the viewer.
Symbolism – elements of the piece that involve a subtext beyond their outward appearance. They are what they appear to be at first glance, but they may also be representational of an idea, a person, or an emotion.
Iconography – a type of symbolism related to specific images or objects the viewer should use to understand a piece. For instance, placing a heart over a person’s head would be an iconographic reference to love.
How an artist has chosen to use these elements should be the central issue, not whether or not you care for the particular subject, style, etc… What follows are some tips on how to keep that focus.
1) A critique is not just about what is ‘wrong’ with a piece. This is an unfortunate misunderstanding that I have seen perpetrated all too often. Simply pointing out each and every thing you consider to be a flaw in a piece of art is not a good critique. A good critique is balanced and addresses many if not all of the formal elements, expressing both good and bad, what you feel works, and what doesn’t. This may seem to be an overly ‘pc’ approach to some, but if you focus on the negative, the person you are trying to help is likely to tune you out without taking in your meaning which accomplishes nothing for either of you. Remember, this is something the person has likely poured hours of work into and understandably, they may be rather attached to it and if all you have to say is negative and they see some good, they may discredit your perfectly valid points. A balanced evaluation is the best and most proper approach. Try to address the elements you think were carried out well in addition to the one’s you felt maybe could use some work.
2) Remember to leave your personal tastes behind. If you are going to evaluate a piece of art, you have to be able to approach it from a totally neutral perspective. If you don’t care for a particular genre or style, to give a good critique, that needs to be left out of it. That is not to say you are not entitled to that opinion, but I’m sure the artist is well aware that there are those that will not care for the style/genre of their work and there is no need to say so again. As mentioned before, you want the person to be receptive to what you have to say and if you start out with an obvious prejudice, they will likely discredit anything else you may have written. Again, this is of no help to anyone and defeats the purpose of the critique.
3) Be constructive with your criticisms. Unfortunately, this is a very ambiguous area. How do you say something bad in a good way? Well, to start out with, saying something is ‘ugly,’ ‘annoying,’ and/or ‘bad’ is not constructive. It gives the artist nothing to help them improve. Again, your ultimate goal is to help the person you are lending your time to and if all you do is slander their hard work, they are unlikely to listen. If per say you find something lacking in a piece, it is far better to try to focus on why you find it lacking and express it that way. Saying a color feels a bit too bright is far more helpful than saying it is ugly or wrong. By focusing on the source of your gut instinct, you are both helping the artist because it is much harder if not impossible for them to try to guess why you had a certain reaction.
4) Similarly, do try to be honest. It’s all well and good to be polite, but also not to the point where you are being untruthful. Don’t hold back your opinion, just try to keep in mind how you would like it expressed to you if it was your own artwork being commented on.
5) Also important specifically here on devART is the level of critique the person has indicated they desire. Obviously, if they say ‘do not critique,’ they do not want it critiqued for many possible reasons. If they ask for an ‘advanced critique,’ then fire away, but still keep in mind that you want to be respectful in doing so. More ambiguous is the ‘critique welcome’ option. Keep in mind, this is the only middle ground deviantART has set up. While the person is not asking you to refrain from a more in-depth look at the work, they are also not specifically requesting it, so try to keep that in mind.
6) Use maturity and tact in your comments. Of course, this may fluctuate depending on the age of the artist that produced the work, but if you are evaluating a serious nude, then it is not generally good form to make jokes about body parts, etc. Understandably, one of the most natural responses in people when they are nervous or uncomfortable about something is to make a joke, but think first about whether it is appropriate or not. If not, it might be better to say nothing.
7) Saying nothing is perfectly alright. If you really just don’t like a genre like anime, or abstract expressionism, or portraiture and do not think you can comment without those prejudices influencing you, it is perfectly alright to say nothing at all about the piece. To have an opinion does not mean it has to be expressed at every opportunity. As mentioned before, the artist already knows that there are those that do not share their same interests. Simply telling them again with no consideration for the formal elements of the work does not help them at all and isn’t the end goal to help the artist?
8) Be prepared that the artist may not agree with you. That does not mean that they do not respect your opinion, but just as you do not necessarily agree with the choices they made, they might not agree with yours. In the end, art is very subjective and each person will have their own taste. You can offer a suggestion, but don’t take it personally if the artist decides against it. It is not that they are unwilling to hear criticism, they just don’t happen to agree with that particular suggestion. Remember, all you are offering is an opinion. It may be an opinion shared by many, but in the end, it is only an opinion and the artist is the one with the end say.
9) Do not try to pass judgment on the ‘validity’ of someone’s chosen means of expression. There many different forms of art out there, some I like and some I don’t, but if it is of no harm to others, then I have no right to say what is and isn’t ‘art.’ Someone else might choose a different means of expression than I would, but that does not make those feelings they are expressing any less valid.
10) Try to look at the age and level of the artist. On devART, there are many different ages and skill levels. The scale ranges from professionals to amateurs to hobbyists. You may want to be a bit less harsh with a 12 year old or someone that is just doing art for fun than with an aspiring professional that is trying to hone their skills to break into the field.
11) Be willing to put your money where your mouth is. It is not a necessity, but a very nice addition if you can see that the person offering suggestions understands what they are talking about and can demonstrate it in their own work. As I said, this is not a necessity, but I’ve always found I’m far more receptive to taking suggestions from professors and other artists whose work I respect. It shows that they understand what they are saying on both a theoretical and practical level.
12) Do not, I repeat do not use the critique/comment area for promoting your own work. That is extremely bad form. That’s like coming into someone else’s gallery show with fliers for your own or coming to someone’s wedding and trying to upstage the bride, it’s just not done. Mentioning that you have dealt with a similar theme/character and even comparing and contrasting the two is generally accepted, but to use the space to link up your own work is very disrespectful. Obviously, if the artist is interested (and I would hope they are as I’m always interested in seeing how different artists have approached the same subject), they can come over and find it in your gallery, but it is impolite to impose.
13) If you are going to ask a question, be respectful of the artist’s time and read the description first. Nine times out of ten, the question has already been answered there. After all, they were nice enough to take the time to provide all of the information you might need to properly understand a particular piece, if you ignore it, then you are showing disrespect for that original time spent and the time they now must spend answering it again.
Now, in the end, these are only suggestion to help both you and the person who you are critiquing. Just like with a critique, you might agree with some or none of these and ultimately, how you approach it is up to you. These are just my own observations and things I have found help me from both ends in terms of understanding where someone else is coming from in offering a critique and helping them understand where I’m coming from when I am offering one. Maybe these tips will prove useful for you and maybe they won’t, but it’s something to think about in anycase.
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Comments: 567
brotherpanda In reply to ??? [2006-03-17 09:04:28 +0000 UTC]
I don't smoke, I have bad asthma. It's bad fer you dude. Maybe that's why you're skinny. I'm like my mom is all. I haven't gained weight since 9 or 10th grade; 3 or 4 years ago.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-17 19:58:57 +0000 UTC]
lol. no i havent gained weight since 8th grade. i didnt start smoking until the end of ninth. and actually, im that skinny, because i have unnaturally high metabolism. it kinda sux, cuz i gotta eat more than other people and look like a pig, or else my stomach will start digesting itsself. (said while eating chocolate and caramel cookies. lol)
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-17 23:42:32 +0000 UTC]
You shoulda not started any ways. Kids these days...( I say it for olda people too)...It smells terrible, looks dumb, makes your skin and teeth ugly...I don't get it.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-18 04:28:17 +0000 UTC]
what i dont get is people smoking to be cool. i know i have the cliche reason, "that i needed a release", but really. my father was in rehab AGAIN, my mom was currently hating the world, my stepmom kept telling me that she wanted me to die, my sister kept trying to commit suicide, and the list goes on. so i had plenty of reasons to "need release". im not proud that i smoke. i dont like smoking, its just that i have an extremely addictive personality, and i smoke too much to quit anyways. i mean hell, i cant even cut down. ive tried. god knows ive tried. but i just smoke because i smoke now. dont really have a reason. i just smoke to smoke.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-18 08:57:16 +0000 UTC]
Dude, sounds like you need Extreme Makeover your family. I think "needing a release" is a different type of running away from problems. I've done that literally before, but now I think I should take life as it is, no matter how or how much it sucks. It may be as hard as wrasslin' yerself an angry buffalo, but at least you try to live it.
And I thought having an addictive personality meant people easily become your friend/ get attached to hanging around you? I saw it that way in a fortune cookie once.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-19 05:45:32 +0000 UTC]
technically yes, it is running away, but in a different sort of way...since cigarettes are a narcotic AND stimulant, it takes your mind off things
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-19 05:57:36 +0000 UTC]
I don't like how it kills you AND makes you feel good. That's what Satan does I guess, but I can't get into that...
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-19 06:10:40 +0000 UTC]
hey, i hate to be an asshole, or put people down, but im a satanist and i take offense to that.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-23 09:42:40 +0000 UTC]
I don't get it, why would people love Satan? Just because he was the most beautiful angel before? Or because they dig his rebellion-ing nature? Hmm... I wonder about those witches and vampire people too.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-24 05:05:29 +0000 UTC]
now im sure that when you think of satanists and witches and vampires, you think of all the normal stereotypes, dont you? lets go over them, shall we?
stereotypes:
satanists: worship the devil. hate people. kill people. have ritualistic sacrifices of animals, i.e. goats and cats.
witches: ugly. no friends. hate people. evil.
vampires: pale. sensitive to the sun. love blood. need blood to live. more sexually active then it is really healthy to be.
truth:
satanists: just your average everyday person. we do worship the devil, yes. we dont hate people, i have an uncountable amount of friends from many different cultures of society. my friend tyler and i usually put other people before ourselves. i have never killed anyone, and i dont plan to. i have never ritualistically sacrificed anything, because thats just digusting.
witches: just your average everyday person. my sister is a witch. she is not ugly by any means. i think she is as beautiful as a brother can think of his sister without being creepy. my sister has alot more friends than i do. and thats really saying something. and evil? bullshit. theres a rule about witchcraft. everything you do comes back three times. you make someone lose a finger, you lose three. you make someone lose a third of their hair, you lose all of it. you cause someone to make a hundred dollars, you make three hundred.
vampires: i have 2 friends who are vampires. both of which are very nicely tanned. no sensitivity to the sun whatsoever. yes, both of them like blood, but have you ever tasted someone elses blood? it tastes good! neither of which need blood to survive. they only drink it if a RELLY good friend around them is bleeding, and if it is with their consent. and sex? forget it! theyre both virgins!
i suggest you read up on this stuff. really i do. and dont go believing all of the hollywood bullshit. hollywood is the reason for most of the bullshit stereotypes.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-24 05:36:36 +0000 UTC]
I didn't mean it the way stereotypical...I know a witch girl here at school and I get along pretty well. It's just, well, do you really want to go to Hell or whatever? I don't believe it's all fire and crap, but I think it's not a good place for people. Eternal solitary confinement, with no one there to be a friend sounds too scary lonely for me.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-24 05:54:08 +0000 UTC]
i dont think of hell as fire and brimstone either. i think (and my friend tyler thinks im wrong for this) that hell is all of your personal fears, and satan doesnt really have anything to do with it. my greatest fear is absolute silence. i have a blind friend who had one of those silence chambers that he slept in and he bet me that i couldnt stay in there for one hour. i came out screaming after about 15 minutes. therefore, that would be hell for me. total and utter silence. my life revolves around sound. my band. the computer. work. tv. without sound (besides the computer) all of these things are meaningless.
i think it is god who condemns you to hell if you do not follow him the way it says in the bible. case in point, if you dont follow god, he cant condemn you. if you do, and dont follow to the specifications of the bible, he can and most likely will.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-24 07:15:53 +0000 UTC]
No, it's not like that. Anybody can go to Heaven as long as you care for other people, treat them well as you treat yourself, love and honor your parents even if it's so hard...Basic stuff. he justs wants the world to stop fighting over stupid stuff. He probably could change it Himself, but he wants to see how good we are. And not in the guinea pig way either. He doesn't randomly kill off people... because humans have a choice to die or not.
And God could condemn anybody any time. He condemned Satan for thinking he was better than Him or something like that... But God made Lucifer the best angel, so that might have been the reason... I still don't get it all, but I'm not givng up because I'd be weaksauce.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-24 07:23:27 +0000 UTC]
hey, this is what i believe. im telling you youre wrong or anything like that, so dont tell me i'm wrong. and the "humans have a choice to die or not" thing? bullsh*t. my best friend andrew was killed in a car accident over a year ago by a drunk driver driving a semitruck who ran a red light. my grandmother had a heart attack. my great grandfather died of old age, and my great granmother is soon to follow. the only time death is by choice it is suicide. my sisters friend was shot in the head in iraq.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-24 07:34:21 +0000 UTC]
Because OTHER people chose or accidentally chose to kill them. And suicide is running away again. You aren't wrong, I think the silence is scary too. It's like living in the coal box in prison, but way quieter and forever. That would drive you more than crazy. I see why you're a satanist now a little. Because so much has happened to you that you hate God for taking it all way. Will you forgive?
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-24 08:15:21 +0000 UTC]
i never forgive. i never forget. i take everything in stride. i take the leash thats leading me. cant stop wont stop to save my soul, because theres nothing more to be saved. i am the beast that feeds the beast. i am caught under the pains of man. i have been forsaken by human and god alike, and i take no bullshit from any of either of them. i listen until i am told a new path, and then i walk away, still stuck in my ways. immovable, i am condemned.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-24 08:55:16 +0000 UTC]
If you're the beast that feeds the beast, why do you have to wait to be told?And who said salvation of the soul needed stopping? It's not a cheeseburger...There's too many contradictions. Make me confused as well as sound confused yourself. Other than all the things you've experience, you seem as lost in the world as the it is lost in its sinful nature. If I really don't have a God, do YOU have a devil? And can you prove that he's there for you, or are you just alone? Why put your soul into someone who won't share with you?
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-24 18:51:16 +0000 UTC]
did i not just say that im not stopping you from worshipping what you want? as soon as i said i was a satanist, i knew, JUST knew that i would end up having this conversation with you. if it were anyone else on DA that i would have told, they wouldve taken it in stride then forgotten about it. but no. not you. you just seem to have to continue on trying to get me out of my ways. newsflash: BULLSHIT. you cant change people.
and by the way, i went to your page, and you seem to be stuck up and full of yourself with everyone, not just me. take into consideration what other people believe. that girl setsuna? who cares if shes not asian. my ex girlfriends psuedonym was senobee, and she was as white as you can get!! and if she doesnt want you calling her "dude", then you shouldnt, because dude is actually a guy term.
now please. get off my ass about being a satanist. stop trying to change me because you are fighting a losing battle, if not a war. you cannot change the world, and if ever you do, ill shoot myself in the balls. you are too much of a stuck up, snot nosed prick whose trying to stop the world from doing things that you dont believe in, and you need to get over yourself.
and i never said that you dont have a god, boy. i think he's there alright. just not doing what you think he's doing. i think hes just standing there and laughing at all the bullshit going on in this world.
now, boy. do me a favor and get off my ass. i dont need you, among so many other people screaming "repent!! REPENT!! FLOSS OFTEN!!" in my ear, alright, boy? get. off. my. ass. find yourself a new ass to fuck.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-24 19:57:27 +0000 UTC]
I never said I wanted to change anyone, I was just wondering why you do it. I never even said I wanted to change the world. The world will change whatever way it wants to. I never said Setsuna was a bad name, I just have never spoken to a person who'd change their name because they dislike their real one. And I've already stopped with the dude. And it wasn't totally my fault we started talking about this stuff. It was fine before the smoking thig turned into a Satan thing. I'm sorry it turned out this way, but that's what happened, and we can't go back and erase it. And you don't have to say everything's a bunch of bullshit if you already know our world sucks. And I never floss. So I'm a sinful person too.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-25 04:37:38 +0000 UTC]
well, go back and read your last reply. you said i was wrong. this is my belief, and to me it is as right as it should ever be.
i call myself lukiber. my real name is isaac. i hate my name. its a biblical name, and therefore it is against my religion. so i call myself lukiber. i know thats a name of some dude from a game thats really old, but i started calling myself that long before i knew about that game. i made the name lukiber after i realized how someone with a really thick german accent would pronounce lucifer. bam. there you go.
i usually live by the lyrics of the song "i am hated" by slipknot. mainly the line, "everything sucks and i can prove it, everyone dies, shuffle on remove it, individuals, indespensable, im the paradox deity vessel. before you go, you should know youre breaking down, you'll be rotten by the time youre underground!"
im sorry it turned out this way too. it couldve been better, but this is the way the world works, isnt it?
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-25 19:21:58 +0000 UTC]
Just because Issac is in the Bible doesn't mean you don't need that name. Issac's the protagonist of Golden Sun, and he's not from the Bible. He's from a video game too. And has earth powers, so that's cool. When I saw that word Lukiber, I thought of an 8-foot, sentient zucchini...
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-26 05:26:54 +0000 UTC]
wow. as soon as i saw "8 foot, sentient zicchini", i laughed for about 7 minutes straight. you just made my day, man. good job. lol
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-26 05:31:34 +0000 UTC]
Well, I don't like Satan, but he has some weird confusing names... Beezle-Bub could just be a big booger nose dressed hillbilly style...
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-26 05:40:09 +0000 UTC]
lol. what i want to know, is why do we have so many names for senor diablo, when the only name for god is...god?
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-26 05:49:04 +0000 UTC]
Well, there's the Trinity of God, so Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's mostly names for Jesus and Him I guess. Prince of Peace, Redeemer, Savior, Almighty Lord, Yahweh (I heard that Jewish can't say it), I Am, Good Shepherd, The Saving Grace, The Creator, The Word, Great Judge, Messiah, The Lamb...Oww, I can't think of any more off the top of my head. I don't read the Bible too much, even though a buncha church people say its better for me. I only get the jist of most of it. Because I was in Christian parochial school for like 12 years or so... almost 3/4 my life, which is fine with me now I guess. Left for public HS because it felt kinda sheltered from 'the world' and all.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-26 06:09:01 +0000 UTC]
yea. i have a few friends that went to a catholic school. they went to regular high school and felt so out of place...lol.
the other day i was at wal*mart and some lady walked up to me, gave me a copy of the 23rd psalm and said "god bless you". now, i dont know what anyone else might think about that, but i got slightly upset and said "im sorry ma'am," i gave the paper back, "but im a satanist." she pulled holy water out of her purse and threw it at me and then ran away like i was gonna call senor satan on her or something.
i laughed for about 45 minutes because of the look on her face.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-26 06:16:11 +0000 UTC]
Well, that's crazy. If I saw you for real and you said that if I did that, I'd prolly just say, "That's nice to know, deary." ...If I was an old lady...
It's not that I felt outta place in HS. But I hung out with the girls I knew, and seemed to talk to girls more, so the guys thought I was gay or just weird in the beginning.
I never understood holy water, but you know how many dirty hands touch that stuff?
Glad I never had to use it.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-26 06:31:44 +0000 UTC]
lol. but yeah. that group of cathiolic kids...you couldnt even consider it a group...it was 6 people. and they were siblings. lol
alot of people think im gay cuz alot of my friends are girls, and the fact that i move kinda like a gay guy would, but thats cuz im skinny, flexible and i move with fluid motion. also maybe because im bi, too. lol
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-26 07:01:03 +0000 UTC]
Oh, the "typical" gay guy saunter? Not me. And I don't plan on doin' anything or anybody 'till I get married, which I don't plan to do for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time. I don't even want a girlfriend really, because I cause people problems and get in unlucky situations sometimes that I get hurt in. But I've heard there were people with crushes on me a while back. I don't get why, though. I'm not the 'hottest guy' or even the typical guy-looking guy because of my big ponytail... But people say I was popular with girls in elementary school because I was a cute little boy or something... Mom said a saleslady wanted me to be a kid male model...crap like that.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-26 20:26:58 +0000 UTC]
lol. yeah. im over relationships in general. every girlfriend ive had cheated on me, or lied to me, or something along those lines. so yea, im over relationships.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-27 02:30:43 +0000 UTC]
The sad part is that happens with 12 year olds now. They seriously don't know what it's about... And have you heard about the divorce rate? Scary, it's like Hollywood around the US now...
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-27 04:07:04 +0000 UTC]
i know right? a very close friend of mine lives in new york and she tells me ALL of her problems because ive always been there for her, yknow? so she calls me one night crying and tells me that her boyfriend called her up and said, "ive got some bad news. i cheated on you and now im a father." and hung up. shes 15. hes 14.
last i knew, the divorce rate was at about 50%. this tells me exactly what ive known all my life; people dont think about what theyre doing when they need to the most.
i hate hollywood anyways. always spreading lies and discord based on the beliefs of the ignorant. (i write the lyrics in my band. can you tell? lol)
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-03-27 07:04:59 +0000 UTC]
Eww, don't say that, my little sister is around that old, and she has a "boyfriend" now too. I know they aren't doing anything, but if they did, I'd march my skinny Chinese butt over to that boy's house and beat him not an inch from death, but .0000001 millimeters.
I'm not much of a lyricist, but people say I sing pretty well. I skipped out on a church musical coming this next month because I was busy, and this guy said the guy's side would 'die' without me...weird...
I used to like to make Shel Silverstien-like poems. Can't remember any right now.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-03-27 15:10:55 +0000 UTC]
i love the poet carl sandburg. my favorite is the one entitled "fog"
"the fog comes on little cat feet.
sit on silent haunches,
and then moves on."
i dont know why its my favorite, but i love it. huh.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-04-01 03:31:55 +0000 UTC]
Ya know, it just so happens my 12th grade teacher last year used that exact same poem in a simile/metaphor recap lecture we had.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-04-27 07:24:47 +0000 UTC]
Hey, I made a demon werewolf head drawing back in 11th grade, you want it? I'll put it my scraps eventually so you can use it. It's got a pentagram on his head for some reason, don't know why i felt like putting it then...
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-04-27 18:48:39 +0000 UTC]
hey that would be awesome!! and the pentagram? thats friggin shweet!!
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-04-28 00:03:01 +0000 UTC]
Weird that i started it at church to. Well, then anyways.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-04-28 18:22:36 +0000 UTC]
lol. yes thats wierd...i did alot of drawings when my mom took me to church with her to try and "save" me.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-04-29 05:10:02 +0000 UTC]
Well does your mom still bug you about it? You're your own person now, legally and all. But it's nice she tried, in...a relative sense.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-05-15 16:46:01 +0000 UTC]
no, she knows that i cant be saved and am eternally condemned to hell, so shes stopped trying. she still prays, though, which i am grateful for, but i dont think that praying alone will save me.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-05-15 20:16:46 +0000 UTC]
It wouldn't, because you'd have to do something about it or want to do something about it, but since you don't, it don't mahtah anyhoo.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-05-22 15:22:42 +0000 UTC]
well thank you. at least you see the truth of the fact that it doesnt matter....unlike many other people i know...
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-05-24 04:56:01 +0000 UTC]
Heeeeey.... Quiet yoooooou....
Don't hate your mother, just don't worry about it...
Oh! I have to still post that wolf thing. I'll get to that later. It'll be in my scraps later so you can use it, 'kay dude?
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-05-27 00:25:58 +0000 UTC]
cool. ill be looking for it!!
and dont worry, i dont hate my mother...i just think that sometimes she can be a little......eccentric. thats all.
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-05-27 05:50:19 +0000 UTC]
Just give her a break, she still loves you as a mother is all, then. Everyone's got some sorta ideosyncracies right? Or whatever it is...
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-06-09 22:34:44 +0000 UTC]
yeah i know. ive moved out, but i still talk to her and see her once in a while...not enough, but some...
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brotherpanda In reply to demonwerewolf110 [2006-06-18 05:37:08 +0000 UTC]
Wow, I still live with mine, but I guess I'm just a "girly mahn" like Governator Ahnold says. I need to work this summer. 'Builds character'.
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demonwerewolf110 In reply to brotherpanda [2006-06-20 19:18:23 +0000 UTC]
lol. ive been roofing with my roommates dad...i am so sunburned....ugh. every time i touch something, or something touches me, it feels like needles going into my skin...painful...
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