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I can hear the mixture of voices in the room on this one. One half, the people liking my newest stuff, I hear gitty excitement. My other watchers I can hear an annoyed groan.. probably thinking how I could have used the effort taken to do this to do another cut-away of one of the other Irken Armada Ships. To those people I say sorry, I almost didn't draw this because I knew it'd only appeal to a few select people if any. But then I thought about what so many of you keep telling me, "draw what YOU wanna draw only." So I went ahead and did this..Honestly, I think since I was a little kid I always wondered how this thing operated..ever since I caught that brief 2 second glimpse of the moving parts and mechanics behind the crusher during the movie. However not till the advent of youtube these days was I able to go back and LOOK at those mechanics closer and see what was going on. I'm happy to say, whoever designed the crusher for the movie did it with practicality in mind and didn't just draw a bunch of moving gears that look cool. I tip my non-existent hat to you fine sir..
Essentially, and quite uniquely, the compactor works on clock-work mechanics, with gears and levers. I'm not sure weather that's ingenious or stupid.. it totally rules out having any hydraulics of any kind involved, depending more on sheer weight and force mostly. One thing I would like to point out, it was something I used to think as a kid so I figure many others would to. The large plume of ozone killing exhaust smoke coming out of the compactor IS'NT being expelled from the piston tube at the top of the device. But rather from a small smoke-stack in the power-plant area behind it. Since the compactor is almost always seen from the front however, it looks like it's coming from the top.
The biggest asset to doing this study here, like I mentioned before, was a short 2-3 second view of the background mechanics seen here: [link] Essentially the large crushing block, which has a connecting rod extending out the top, is repeatedly lifted by a > shaped lever system. The movement is controlled by a spinning windmill-shaped toothed cylinder which lifts and drops the block at regular intervals (4 compactions per revolution). This would mean that the actual crushing would have to rely entirely on the simple weight of the crushing block and the force of it being dropped.
**MOVIE SPOILER**
This is all well and good, but then I realized an inconsistency (one of many in the movie.. like the fact that the height of the compactor constantly changes as well as the layout of the conveyer belt). With this mechanic, as soon as the crushing block reached the top of it's lifting cycle and started down.. it would be going at free-fall speed with no mechanical intervention. This completely contradicts the end climax of the movie where the Toaster, by jamming the gears, causes the crushing block to staggeringly slow and stop just inches from crushing the Master's hand. [link]
This was probably just an oversight by the artists, also not counting on obsessives like me to think about it so hard.
This was done, as seen above, by creating a hollow area inside the crushing block, along with side-slits to allow movement. I introduced a gear-driven piston system mimicking the exact same mechanics as a piston in a combustion engine. This internal arm would supply downward pull when compacting rather then just using momentum which seems much more realistic. Cosmetically it also gives the gears along the sides of the device a purpose other then driving the conveyor belts.
For those in deep need of education who don't understand how a piston works.. take a look at this animation: [link]
So bringing it back to the issue of the shut down of the compactor climax. Those gears, with this system, not only drive the conveyer belts but the secondary drive of the whole compactor. I should point out that the primary and secondary drive mechanisms (the gear and lever system) are dependent on each-other and they're timed like clockwork (much like a real engine) so if one fails the other will too.
This description is getting long so I'll try and wrap this up. By focusing on these fine details I failed to leave room to explain the most important question. How does a device that flattens things into pancakes turn them into cubes? Well by design I see no room for any kind of secondary crushing device in the under parts of the compactor. So sadly, realistic or not, the only idea I have to go on is that the base of the compactor has a grate system.. similar to a tomato deicer. [link] The sheer force of the crushing motion not only flattens the vehicle but forces it through cubed channels at the bottom, reducing it into a collection of crushed metal cubes. There must be a channeling system that allows one cube out at a time as that's what's seen during the movie..with er.... 6.6; .. Pinky's remains.
Lastly are the parts that look like eyes on the compactor. Originally in my first idea for this, they were to be joint locations for an internal hydraulic system. But now I think they serve a better function. They're air-channels that allow the flow of air in and out of the top of the crushing block cylinder.. this prevents a vacuum from forming inside the cylinder as the block raises and lowers inside. This is the ONLY thing I can suggest perhaps leads to the 'hissst'ing of steam sound that's heard while the device is operational. It could be bursts of air caused by a controlled release valve in these channels. Perhaps during the power stroke (crushing stroke) the pressurized trap air at the top of the cyclinder is used to assist in creating pounds of pressure in the crushing action. Then when raising back up the air is released.
Anyway, that's all.. I'm done rambling. I hope you enjoy this.
Ernie's Disposal, compactor (c) TBLT
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DMCguy12 [2016-08-18 05:06:55 +0000 UTC]
A while back I actually tried using this picture to make the compactor out of Legos (and make it work.) I couldn't quite get the mechanics down at the time and now its long gone. But I recently rediscovered this picture and tried my hand at making it again. You can see it here: imgur.com/a/IzRMF (And yes, it (although kind of poorly) works)
Keep in mind though, it's a heavy WIP, so some of the stuff isn't finished yet. Once I do finish it I might actually post it here instead of on imgur, but seeing as it's not done yet I didnt see a point in making a deviation for it.
Anyway, thanks for doing the research H-D, without it I probably wouldn't have taken such an interest in this thing
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DMCguy12 [2016-07-29 06:24:08 +0000 UTC]
Thanks to this picture I got really fascinated by how this thing is supposed to work and I actually made a semi-working model of it out of Legos quite a while back, but of course the thing wouldn't stay together so I dont have it anymore.
But my dad and I are working on a model railroad that is planned to be jam-packed full of movie references and other subtle joke details, so I'm hoping to eventually get around to making an HO-scale model of this thing outta some real materials and make it actually run.
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getsomeofitnow [2016-04-23 14:27:19 +0000 UTC]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjaBFB… I'm pretty sure it was based on this. It even looks similar, and has the same piston
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Half-dude In reply to getsomeofitnow [2016-04-24 04:01:13 +0000 UTC]
Well god damn how bout that!
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getsomeofitnow [2016-04-23 14:20:32 +0000 UTC]
I think it works similar to a steam drop forge hammer
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Oldiesfan017 [2015-08-07 14:41:55 +0000 UTC]
Awesome design on the Junkyard Crusher. You know, there's a machine called the Laminator from the "Bonkers" episode, "Gone Bonkers", and like you, I've been wondering how it works, too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFVBX3…
martysartandmodels.com/2d.html
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duallygirl178 [2014-07-25 19:54:32 +0000 UTC]
"Death to da crusha-aaaa ever body hit the floor" XD that was in a song I wrote
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Half-dude In reply to duallygirl178 [2014-07-26 11:33:39 +0000 UTC]
Makes me think of some kind of revolution, all the cars rebelling within Ernies. Maybe they topel the magnet in defiance. XD
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duallygirl178 In reply to Half-dude [2014-07-27 06:23:50 +0000 UTC]
XD a whole shadow person or shadow car can take it down with one swipe
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sonicdash759 [2014-03-23 03:41:16 +0000 UTC]
So you've grown to love the Pink car eh? With those namby-pamby comics you've made...she actually has a touching backstory....
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Half-dude In reply to sonicdash759 [2014-03-23 06:10:51 +0000 UTC]
Nambly-pamby huh? I'm having a hard time figuring if you're feedback is being positive or insulting.
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sonicdash759 In reply to Half-dude [2014-03-23 16:34:58 +0000 UTC]
positive. I just find it amazing how you can make an entire backstory for 1 car that had....6-10 seconds of screentime!
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Half-dude In reply to sonicdash759 [2014-03-25 10:00:21 +0000 UTC]
So am I.. o_o; Though I HAVE stories for the other cars... well mostly Bobby Lee and Andy. They're just.. only in my head at this point.
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sonicdash759 [2014-03-16 18:10:41 +0000 UTC]
I can just hear the *BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM* it makes!
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pmvarth [2013-06-19 01:44:36 +0000 UTC]
This. This you can consider my acknowledge of your existence though we were not talking nor did we really know each other. This is your claim to fame in my eyes, because it is the first piece of art I had ever seen from you. Funny I should meet you now. Small world, but in a good ways.
This is just amazing, that you would put the thought into it to really delve into the mechanics of the crusher really makes you someone I admire, as you are far more tech savvy than I am. You must have really studied the Worthless videos to get a sense of repetition enough to figure out compactions per revolution. The amount of work you must have put into this seems like hours or even days of research.
I like how you took an interesting route and geared away from the hydraulic system, but found a logical explanation for a hydraulic-type sound. I like the idea of the 'eyes' being air channels, it makes sense given the pounding sounds that the crusher makes.
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Half-dude In reply to pmvarth [2013-06-20 08:39:37 +0000 UTC]
Out of all the work that I had shown Jerry Rees, personally I'm kinda disappointed that this is the one that they decided to focus on actually. Though it wasn't Jerry's decision, it's his friend and fellow crew member that runs that blog. I guess it DID suit the point he was making, seeing as it is more then fan-art seeing as I had actually torn something down and analyzed it.. I just always felt like my character compilation pictures were more impressive is all. Like the B-Movie or Cutting Edge pictures.
I don't know where I got my mechanical knowledge from, I don't know if I can really call it knowledge as much as just instinct or a 'feel' for it. I can just look at how parts go together and how they move and figure out how they work from that.. I don't HAVE to see them at work. Maybe I learned partly from being a little Elmo St. Peters when I was a kid and taking poor old appliances apart to see how they worked... feel kinda bad about that now. Also my dad was very mechanically minded and drew me lots of diagrams and stuff which I loved to look at and study. Compactions per revolution was actually easy, you can see it in the picture, the big cog-wheel HAS 4 teeth on it.
Four teeth = four raises and drops per revolution.
Yeah, hydraulics don't typically move as fast as the crusher moves in that movie, that thing was going at like free-fall speed. Hydraulics are pretty slow and precise if you've ever watched a hydraulic press in action. (ie: the end of Terminator XD) Actually speaking of the T-800 even it operated on hydraulics, that's another thing about hydraulics they're pretty noisy too.
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pmvarth In reply to Half-dude [2013-06-23 20:58:49 +0000 UTC]
It's funny how that sort of thing works. But hey, at least Jerry appreciates your compilations and representations of the Worthless cars. I could only dream of having such compliments from people like that. I mean, I've had compliments from a producer and a couple of published authors but I have a weird complex about it.
I think you'd make a good engineer with knowledge like that. That's probably where you got it from. The guys I know who take things apart and put them back together ended up being mechanics.
My father is a big rig driver, and I actually work with hydraulic machinery like a brass press. Surprisingly, the brass press is hella fast for something ran on them. Most things I've seen with hydraulics are slow moving.
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Half-dude In reply to pmvarth [2013-06-26 11:25:54 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah, I'm definitely not complaining! Just, gah!
What kind of engineers? : /
Oh yeah? Well I guess it all comes down to the speed of the pump and the thickness of the fluid. But I think for something that'd be running all day like that you wouldn't want a pump running real fast and hard. That's why I thought the clockwork mechanics of it were so secretly genius it actually would be a good choice for repetitive long hour work like that, I mean look at.. clocks.
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Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-02 17:05:41 +0000 UTC]
Well, I did some research, and it turns out that this crusher is actually an old and modified forging press.
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-03 05:48:48 +0000 UTC]
Can I see your research? I'm not doubting you as it makes perfect sense.. but I'd like to see it none the less.
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-03 11:15:15 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's called a connecting rod mechanical press: [link] (manufacturer's site) and they actually sound like Ernie's compactor: [link] (video of the press working somewhere in China).
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-04 22:57:06 +0000 UTC]
It's pretty interesting, I don't know if it can really be said that's what it IS though because it actually is very different and the only similarities are basic shape and that it's a press. It isn't involved in forging so that makes it just a press, and the one at Ernie's isn't hydraulic which that one is. If my "study" is wrong I'd have to say it's either completely mechanical (gears/springs/motors) or maybe even steam-driven based on the sounds.
I WILL say that it's very likely whoever built the one at Ernie's based its design off of forging press schematics.. I'll go with you on that. I always felt like the crusher there looked very unconventional what with all it's open machinery and belts.. almost as it's some kind of custom made semi-experimental design.
It's likely that Ernie's is in contract with a local foundry, as the only use for turning the cars into cubes I can see is to melt them back down into sheet metal. So it could be that the crusher was designed and supplied by said foundry.. which again would support it being based off a forging press..
I always like over-analyzing like this, I like where this is going, let's keep throwing ideas around.
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-04 23:14:25 +0000 UTC]
I think it's a press with a hydraulic baler underneath it (because a frame of any vehicle is made from steel that's casted in one part, and to turn such steel in that teeny, tiny cube you'll need A LOT of force, and that's something that a conventional press is unable of doing).
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-05 02:49:08 +0000 UTC]
Believe me, it makes total sense to me too that there'd have to be a horizontal press under it. But if you look there's no ROOM to have one..
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-05 11:49:56 +0000 UTC]
Maybe it's inside that funnel which is directly under the press.
I don't know what he used to run the press, but it's definitely not a steam engine, because you'd see a huge flywheel on the side. He probably used ship's (like Napier Deltic, which was used in Britain to power trains and ships [link] ) or locomotive's engine to power that thing(like this EMD engine: [link] )
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-06 01:52:38 +0000 UTC]
Believe me, I'm well aware another set of presses is needed to form something into a cube, a horizontal and a vertical press.. 2 horizontal presses really.. But the big problem is that I can't see any way there could be another press under the crusher.. there's simply no housings or hydraulic tubes..anything to suggest there's anything inside that funnel. I even drew a pic real fast to show how it'd have to look probably:
I guess even with all the thinking they put into the crusher they just didn't think about that.. What's frustrating is the sound it makes even suggests there's an additional crusher in there somewhere.. I mean it's 'Boom CLANK Sssst' not just 'Boom Sssst'
: /
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-06 19:20:31 +0000 UTC]
Hmm...you wrote here that the "eyes" are air pressure vents, so it could be that the "clank ssst" comes from an air compressor which is powered by an hit-and-miss engine like this one: [link]
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-14 09:17:27 +0000 UTC]
I just noticed that I completely forgot to put the link in my last response. XD Here it is: [link]
I'm actually surprised anyone even noticed the pressure vents thing.. everyone seems to just say "they're EYES" and leaves it at that. 9.9 I wasn't sure if there was any kind of compressor, though that might make more sense. I simply meant that they were powered-valves. During the down stroke they open allowing air into the cylinder so that a vacuum isn't formed. Then as the piston starts raising again the valves open 'psssting' the air back out.
The engine in that video is a steam-engine, I thought you already said you didn't think the crusher was steam powered. -.O
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-14 12:42:11 +0000 UTC]
Steam engine? Oh no, the early diesels and gasoline engines had those flywheels too.
My point is that he probably used an old diesel to power the press, something like this here log splitter: [link]
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-14 22:39:54 +0000 UTC]
Yeah but my point was that the engine in the video was a steam/gas engine, the description says "This is engine #4477 built in 1909. Loaded up and ready to go to the 2008 Pawnee, Oklahoma steam and gas engine show."
I think they'd use whatever power method used the least energy if the thing ran all day every day. But yeah man, that's how I drew it in my picture.. having a giant diesel engine. The engine can't really be discussed can it? Since it chugs out plumes of black smoke it pretty much proves it's running on a fossil-fuel engine doesn't it?
Damn that splitter sure makes that job easy!
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-14 22:42:19 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, it's not fueled by solar energy, that's for sure.
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-15 06:20:38 +0000 UTC]
So no comment on that link I gave at all? XD
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-15 10:12:27 +0000 UTC]
Yes, a hydraulic baler is definitely missing from that scene...but hey, maybe there's an jaw crusher inside, like this stone crusher: [link]
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-16 07:30:26 +0000 UTC]
Where? It can't be inside the crusher piston.. it raises immediately as it comes down..
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-16 09:38:14 +0000 UTC]
Probably inside that funnel.
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-16 12:08:11 +0000 UTC]
You can't compare a machine that crushes rock with a machine that crushes metal. Metal is not going to crumble through vibrating teeth like that.. if anything it's just gotta bend and lodge itself inside. It definitely wouldn't come out as a perfectly shaped cube that's for sure.
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Hrodwulf123 In reply to Half-dude [2012-01-16 13:09:20 +0000 UTC]
Well, maybe there's something similar in that funnel.
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Half-dude In reply to Hrodwulf123 [2012-01-17 05:51:01 +0000 UTC]
That's my POINT man, it can't be similar.. at least in any way to that.. where it just vibrates together. If it doesn't just vibrate then we're still stuck on the same issue that I drew the picture for.. there is no space around that funnel for a compressor wall to slide through and no hydraulics.
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Thesquarewave [2012-01-02 06:15:14 +0000 UTC]
Looks like you're going to build one you're self! HA HA! Nice work! I like how you figured out what parts may do in such. Making a cut away PERIOD to me is impressive.
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Half-dude In reply to Thesquarewave [2012-01-02 07:31:57 +0000 UTC]
Oh this is by no way my FIRST cut-away. I've made cut-aways of almost all the Irken armada ships from Invader Zim too.. they're in my IZ folder here on DA.
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phychoticsilence [2011-12-14 05:45:52 +0000 UTC]
Now here's dedicated fan. Kudos, man! But I wonder if the toaster could have avoided his "death" by thinking to somehow cut the belts that make the gears turn. I would have of doing that while the cars were singing.
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Half-dude In reply to phychoticsilence [2011-12-14 13:24:05 +0000 UTC]
Thanks heh, I'm known for over-analyzing stuff a lot. If you ever dig into my Invader Zim stuff you'll see obessive space-ship cut-aways I made for the ships seen in the show. XD
Well actually it's probably a good thing he didn't cut the belts. Because if he'd done that the press probably would have just free-fell down on the Master's hand. That is unless the piston was at the very top position at the time.. unlikely though.
OMG I know, that song is so sad once you've seen the movie once. Knowing that those cars could have been saved (at least temporarily) if someone had just tossed a piece of scrap into those gears! >< But I guess that's what makes Ernie's so sad, it's the dead-end for those cars and nothing is gonna stop them from death.. not even shutting down the crusher. Because you know that eventually they will have got it back up and running again.
Cars at Ernie's have it even worse though, no chance at all. Unlike smaller auto-yards where people could come in and look for cars to either buy or scavenge parts from. Ernie's looked like it was the type that didn't allow people inside (hence the Master was trespassing) and was strictly a scrapping yard. The place just seemed to be too hazardous looking to risk allowing civies to just wander around there. Hell most of those junk-piles looked unstable as hell. XD
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phychoticsilence In reply to Half-dude [2011-12-14 18:35:14 +0000 UTC]
Attention to detail makes an artist. Good for concept art definitely.
Wait, was Rob really trespassing? They seemed to drive in fine.
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Half-dude In reply to phychoticsilence [2011-12-15 05:02:48 +0000 UTC]
I suppose it does, and actually conceptual art is what I'd like to get into more then anything else. Not really sure what kind of job posting to look for for such a job though!
Well no, it wasn't expressly saying they were or weren't. I'm just saying, from the appearance of the place it looked a bit too dangerous to want people coming in. I just assumed the gate was left open to allow the dump-trucks to drive in and out.
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phychoticsilence In reply to Half-dude [2011-12-15 15:58:41 +0000 UTC]
I've had a portfolio class where we had to make business cards, resumes, a flatbook (which is escentially a book with pictures of the best works you've done as an artist), demo reels, and research companies. The best advice I heard for conceptual artists was to think with your pencil. Don't just stop with a few character sketches and say you're done. Think about the universe they live in. How would clothing, furniture, machinery, appliances, cars, etc, look in the world they come from? How would these things function and look if you made 3D models of them? How do they move, connect to other pieces, disassemble, etc?
Ever since this movie, I've always wanted to go to junkyard and find scraps to make something out of them. There's actually a sculptor that does this. [link] He has some pretty sweet stuff. Also reminds me of Dean, the junkyard caretaker, from The Iron Giant.
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