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Made this chart to assist me with various stuff.Please note that these are my interpretations of the sizes and that they will thus vary with other, official media. Those typically just do 'whatever' where sizes are concerned anyway, which means there IS no real size convention for any of the media apart from what's an average size. Those tend to be 'default to nearest average'-sizes though and are as such still random.
As far as I'm concerned these are the actual sizes based on logic, concerning character types I might use in my fancomic. Though I might adapt the ones here for logic sake as well (not for convenience) and would then run consistently with that. One example would be Micromasters with large altmodes: those might actually end up being slightly larger than Minibots to allow humans inside (even if cramped, the altmodes need a function).
CITYBOTS
Personally I don't think all Citybots are equal in size. Haven't even included them all in the chart (yet) since it'd get a bit cramped in the image on one hand and because I'm not fully determined to which size convention I'll use for them. For now, XII is a placeholder based on the G1 cartoon.
However, I'll share with you my logic on them and what they'll probably be:
Scorponok for example seems to be more along the lines of a Combiner to Guardian Robot due to his humanoid Headmaster.
However, Fortress Maximus would be a bit larger again (due to cerebros having a robot headmaster for head) and would probably end up on the Omega Supreme scale.
Alternatively, I could run with the Japanese variant of Headmasters and ignore the Nebulons and Rebirth (!), which means they'd be robots not organics; meaning I could scale Zarak to any size I'd want allowing me to use Scorponok on Fort Max size. If both have robots for heads I could make them even larger, but then the headmasters would have to be the size of Optimus or larger, which isn't my intention.
That leaves a few more citybots.
Sizing for Metroplex though would be independent of Metrotitan, as I'd base Metrotitan and Grandus around Micromasters. Metroplex and Trypticon could be based on regular size TFs, which would make them even bigger (note that this sizing would also affect some, but not all of their partners!). So yes, that'd mean Scorponok and Fort Max would not be the same size as Trypticon and Metroplex as each would be scaled on a different type of user. From this the following size comparison follows:
Humanoid race (Scorponok/Fort Max) -> Micromaster (Grandus/Metrotitan) -> Normal size (Metroplex/Trypticon).
Als note that Grandus will have no direct sizing relation to Star Convoy, even though the toy allows them to link up in 'vehicle mode'. IMO though a truck pulled aircraft carrier of humongous size is silly and wouldn't work. Grandus works better as a semi-subsurface base of operations.
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oswo In reply to ??? [2011-02-15 13:18:16 +0000 UTC]
Maybe because Unicron's feet 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
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oswo In reply to hansime [2011-02-15 15:13:22 +0000 UTC]
That's why peoples like me just need size charts xD
Like really really need...
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UnusualJuggernaut [2010-10-23 04:06:23 +0000 UTC]
hey thanks, this actually gives me a better idea in terms of my own drawings.
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hansime In reply to NimbusPrime [2010-06-29 08:54:55 +0000 UTC]
You're welcome! ^^ Still amazes me how many people look for this type of chart.
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NimbusPrime In reply to hansime [2010-06-29 20:21:20 +0000 UTC]
lol it's useful for darwing TF oc's and stuff
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hansime In reply to I-luv-FMA [2009-12-22 18:13:31 +0000 UTC]
A slight bit bigger than Bumblebee me thinks.
Kinda depends on which version one would be thinking off, but you could try extrapolating from the comics or cartoon using size references to heads or hands there.
For example, the Quintesson ship housing many Transformers is just a small fraction of his eye in the movie. So one option would be to first extrapolate the size of the ship, then of the eye and then of the head. I'd say that ship was probably comparable to Omega Supreme.
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I-luv-FMA In reply to hansime [2009-12-23 12:50:38 +0000 UTC]
AAAAAAH! He must be HUUUUGE! *faints*
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Commander5AM In reply to ??? [2009-12-05 17:02:21 +0000 UTC]
o.o Bout time someone did a chart to help with sizing... ^^' Although I kinda cheat and have my lot keep shrinkers on that make them III size It's much easier.
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hansime In reply to Commander5AM [2009-12-05 21:59:58 +0000 UTC]
Hehe, well hopefully it'll be helpful for you - of course you should use it the way you feel most comfortable with for your own artworks.
It's just a rough guide afterall, you can interpret it how you want to!
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Commander5AM In reply to hansime [2009-12-05 23:19:55 +0000 UTC]
^^ It will be very helpful when showing how tall or small my mechs are! Especially the sparklings o-o because they're kinda tiny but some at bigger now. And Cannonball Some people don't realise how big he actually is.
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ironscythe In reply to ??? [2008-11-09 16:20:56 +0000 UTC]
I understand the need for a scale that Brainmasters fit into, but they never come out of their shells!
Also, I think they may actually fit into the normal human sizerange, since Star Saber's Brainmaster form fits comfortably in his jet-mode's cockpit, which we've also seen accomodates Jan with about the same amount of extra space.
So here's my beef with Brainmasters: Star Saber takes Jan to a school, and stays in his "normal" robot form while interacting with the nun. He even says he'll have HQ send a reduction of his signature for the paperwork. Again, why doesn't he just get out of his Transtector and save everyone the trouble?
I think he has some issues about his true size.
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hansime In reply to ironscythe [2008-11-09 17:13:27 +0000 UTC]
Compensation.
If you'll browse my gallery, you'll find some plans for my version of the Brainmasters. I do intend to use them a bit once my fancomic-that's-been-on-halt-for-eons gets along quite a bit further...
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metalformer [2008-10-21 18:23:23 +0000 UTC]
That's a very ambitious work and is turning out good. I wish an official scale chart is made to see how tall they should actually be, but I guess this is the best we shall ever get.
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hansime In reply to metalformer [2008-10-21 18:32:55 +0000 UTC]
Official charts are quite hopeless.
To be honest, it's probably far too late for that by now. :/ They should have had one back in 84 when they first started, but they've never really seemed to have thought about it. It's probably one of the reasons why there's constant size changing in the cartoons and comics, especially when new artists/writers came on.
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metalformer In reply to hansime [2008-10-22 04:11:51 +0000 UTC]
I guess I am a hopeless fanboy then. But you're right. It should have been done in the beginning. And you have a very good point there. Staff changes tend to affect things in every level, including that one.
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Yung-Reg88 [2008-10-15 20:38:52 +0000 UTC]
Wouldn't Metroplex and Metrotitan be the same height? I mean, they do share the same mold and all...
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hansime In reply to Yung-Reg88 [2008-10-15 22:39:48 +0000 UTC]
Not if they're designed and built by/for a different size robot user.
*coughs*...which might or might not occur in my fancomic. *coughs*
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Yung-Reg88 In reply to hansime [2008-10-16 03:38:37 +0000 UTC]
That's cool. Then do what U do my friend.
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mightybluespider [2008-10-09 23:13:48 +0000 UTC]
Good chart.
Of course not counting the minibots and the leaders and the Decepticons, there were two, I think, different normal sizes to the Autobots.
I have no idea why Wheeljack was smaller than, ah, I think Ratchet and Prowl, but I can't recall all the examples.
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hansime In reply to mightybluespider [2008-10-10 10:50:39 +0000 UTC]
Well I only put in some average heights with the bots for quick reference at a glance. Actual sizes might be a bit bigger or smaller depending on the character.
One could probably make a similar chart size for each individual class of robots afterall as well.
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mightybluespider In reply to hansime [2008-10-15 17:46:14 +0000 UTC]
I think that would be cool.
Of course, size-changing, folding, collapsing, has to be assumed when one sees a Concorde transforming into a robot only as tall as Optimus Prime or a construction vehicles transforming into robots somewhere around the heights of a standard Decepticon. Even that the Decepticon Jets are only as tall as Optimus Prime and not taller indicates something.
So most characters are as tall or big as the character archetypes require. Otherwise a Giant made up of automobiles and a tractor-trailer couldn't be pounding on a giant made up of jet figher planes.
Mind you, in the Marvel Comics they used two scales. One I saw in Transformers #2 comparing Buster's height to Optimus's.
The other I saw when Megatron blasted Shockwave out of Mount St. Hillary (in Transformers #6, I believe) and next we saw him walking across a parking lot with tiny humans. That was the scale generally seen when Wheeljack was talking to the earth kids stranded on the Ark in the issues in the thirties. That was also the scale, most of the time, during Marvel UK, (I think) comparing Ultra Magnus to his love interest.
I guess as long as it works in story, I guess.
I'm not sure why Grand Maximus was so much smaller than Fortress Maximus in the anime, given the identical body forms.
Ah, so much cool fodder for nerd discussion!
So little time!
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hansime In reply to mightybluespider [2008-10-15 19:11:53 +0000 UTC]
Indeed.
The most silly size thing to me seems to be things such as Omega Supreme in Marvel comics (...they just couldn't make up their minds, could they?) and another was the giant Ravage in one other Marvel colouring book, which was outright ridiculous (Ravage as tall as a house).
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mightybluespider In reply to hansime [2008-10-15 20:40:29 +0000 UTC]
Or when he basically killed five of the deadliest Decepticons in his first appearance but in issue 50 he was taken out of the fight by Laserbeak!?
I liked Budiansky's writing but I never entirely cared for the character choices for emphasis. In fact the biggest reason I preferred UK was 52 issues a year meant approximately double the page count per year, and more stories with more characters.
I prefer Budiansky's atmosphere to Furman's in so many ways, but three issues of Skids? One issue of Circuit Breaker teamed with disassembled Autobots?
Trypticon versus Dinobots is cool.
No Metroplex is not cool.
Generally the Marve Comics did not have what the Sunbow cartoon delivered in spades. A series of moments where giant robots had to encounter a robot that was as giant to them as they are to us puny fleshlings!
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hansime In reply to mightybluespider [2008-10-15 22:42:37 +0000 UTC]
(Buzzsaw )
None of the Marvel writers (nor artists actually) has been able to capture them the way I'd like them to see. In terms of writing, it's rarely been done. :/ Kinda like the way TF Victory was written, but in terms of art only the newer comics of the past years are really interesting (Don Figueroa and a few others in particular that didn't draw them all bubbly like Rob Ruffolo and Pat Lee).
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ToonQueen In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 20:16:33 +0000 UTC]
Nice chart! I must pass it along to a friend thats starting to draw Transformer art.
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Iggwilv [2008-10-09 19:20:29 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for making the chart. I always found these type of charts helpful on more than on occasion.
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GlauG In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 19:18:44 +0000 UTC]
Useful as a general scale for people, anyway. Thanks for sharing this.
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TM2DB [2008-10-09 18:21:06 +0000 UTC]
I think your Cassettacons are a bit on the large size.
Why do I feel like I'm staring at the same robot over and over again? oh wait, i am!
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hansime In reply to TM2DB [2008-10-09 18:37:56 +0000 UTC]
Possibly. They'd be on the small end. I wanted 'm to be a tad larger than humanoid masters.
They'd be on the lower end of the scale in group IV though (Note that the bot shown in each one is an average size, not the smallest size and that there is some overlap possible!).
They're not that important to my continuity though, as I'm likely to ignore questionmark-cases anyway.
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yamis In reply to hansime [2008-10-09 18:15:16 +0000 UTC]
haha i kid, i kid.
i just think its amusing due to the blatant misuse of scale throughout the franchise. i think i remember reading somewhere that if G1 had been kept to scale, Bumbleebee would have been as tall or taller than Prowl.
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TGping In reply to ??? [2008-10-09 17:01:27 +0000 UTC]
this is very cool, and helpful. I may have to make one of these for Beast Wars/Beast Machines...
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