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Published: 2012-07-08 17:39:44 +0000 UTC; Views: 32989; Favourites: 1088; Downloads: 707
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This base took at least an entire day, so you better like it!But seriously though, if you're going to be a critic in the comments, at least be respectful, and don't repeat what 5+ other people already said. (before anyone comments, I know the feet suck already) Thank yew! ^^
Rules: [link]
Some of the skin tones I used: [link] by GOD =Pinlicous-Bases
Original: [link] It's from a Japanese video game "The Idolm@ster" so no, there's no way for me to contact the original artist because even if I could find a twitter/myspace/etc. page from them, I can't speak Japanese.
I take no credit of the original artwork, I'm just trying to help artists who like using bases such as myself. I'm sorry if you don't agree with my morals as far as bases go, I'm trying to use art from this site and/or reference instead of trace.
*deep breath* Have a nice day... *dies*
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This is just what the kids need, more lessons of lazyness. I don't know , kids NEED to learn how to draw if they want to have their own characters or OC. And then are so many boys/girls who make bases from awesome works from others (real artists) and they claim for them self because 'they work so hard in their bases'.
I know you do this with good intentions. And sorry for this. But is what I think. I have friends with so many problems with this kind of 'kids' who make bases without permission. Girls/boys who maybe follow your example making bases.
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Your morals have nothing to do with it, this base breaks deviantART's terms and conditions. That is why people comment negatively. You are breaking devainART's rules and you will get in trouble for it. When you signed up for this website, and agreed to the "Terms of service," you agreed to follow this sites rules. When you posted this image, you broke the rules and the legal terms and conditions. You will have people report this image, it will be removed, and eventually, if you keep doing this or dA mods see your gallery, you will be banned from this website.
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If it's removed, then I learn my lesson, trace bases without permission aren't allowed, but there are still a lot more trace bases of anime screenshots that have gotten a heck of a lot more attention than this has. Just to name a few:
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If it's removed, I'll delete other trace bases without permission from the original artist before I get banned.
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Alright, but I'd just like to point out that just because other people do it and don't get caught, doesn't make it not against the rules. When deviantart clearly stats in their rules it is not okay to do this, pointing out that other people do it, so it must be okay, doesn't hold up.
Many people break the law, only some people get caught, does it still make breaking the law okay? Some people cheat, some people don't get caught cheating, does that still make it okay? Just because everyone else is breaking the rules, does it suddenly make the rule mean nothing? It doesn't. I'm not going to copy and paste all the reason's why bases are against the rules, so here: [link] You can read that.
DeviantART FAQs are the official word on the issue that they address, they are not written to trick you, they are not written by members, they are written by the people that run the website for people who want answer's to their questions. If you wonder why people are so bothered by bases, it's because most of the time people trace images that they have no right to trace. They violate copyrights that artist's have over their artwork, and that is not only against the rules, but against the law.
Yes, the reason dA has rules that say you have to have permission from the original artist, is because it is against the law to violate another person's copyright on an image. Screenshot's from anime violate a copy right that a company holds on said anime, and a company is far more likely to sue you than a random artist. But a random artist is far more likely to find their art on a website and report it and get you banned. People aren't making this stuff up, but a lot of people are misinformed about what is and isn't against the rules of deviantart. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm trying to explain why your image is against deviantart's rules and why people are upset. If you draw a picture of an original character all by yourself, you automatically have a copyright on that picture. No one but you can use that picture without permission /from you/ or they violate the copyright you hold on the image. It doesn't matter if you don't care if they use it, if they use it without asking permission /first/ they still violate the copyright on the image, unless it is clearly stated that the picture can be used by anyone, without asking. ((This is a very loose example that doesn't go into types of copyrights, if you want to know more about copyrights you can look it up.)) I'm just trying to make this clear for you.
All these people saying that it isn't against the rules are wrong, you did not have permission to trace over this image. You violated the rules, dA clearly stats that this is a rule violation, and it is a violation of the images copyright. I don't understand how all these people can read dA's rules and F.A.Q's, and still say it is okay, when it is clearly stated that is not okay.
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DeviantArt's rules clearly state you have to have written permission from the owner of the image to be able to reproduce it in any way, shape or form. This image was taken without premission, and posted on dA, it violates dA's rules and the original copyright on the image.
FAQ #8: What are violations of the deviantART copyright policy?
FAQ #306: Does "Crediting" let me use whatever I want?
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I wish there was a way to push all of the bad art off of the front page
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Yeah, like a dislike button or something
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"Help?" I already did a paper on how bases DON'T help and got a good grade on it and had sound research. In no way, shape, or form do bases "help" artists. They only make them worse and lazy. Furthermore, traced bases are even words for their poor dimensions and poor perspectives. Heads are not gargantuan and one's butt does not protrude that far. You've dug yourself into one heck of a hell by simply stealing the original piece. You also demanded that we like this piece even though you, in fact not theory, stole this. Things that take an entire day should be original and your own work, not someone else's. This website should be ashamed for allowing such theft. It even disturbs me that this got to the front page instead of a piece that deserves to be there.
Don't even try and argue with me because I will pull up my paper and give a link to a website containing the copyright laws.
Bases are an insult to art and do nothing but cause trouble.
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Just because you got a good grade on a debating paper, doesn't mean your opinion is correct. Someone could write a paper on how "_____ was a good president", "_____ should be banned" and still get a good grade, yet a handful of people would disagree with you. "Don't even try and argue with me"? What's the freaking point of commenting then. xD
Oh and fyi, using and making bases can helped me a little. Compare this old piece of crap of mine [link] to one of my newer works. [link] While the second isn't a great piece of work, it's FABULOUS compared to the other one.
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It wasn't a debate paper. It was a research paper, one of those that you have to find evidence to prove your statement. Bases don't help on the grounds that they teach abosolutely nothing about different styles, folds in clothing, shading, light sources, how the body moves, and how hair moves. The only thing these teach is laziness and that effort isn't important. 99% of bases are made in the anime/manga style and a great majority of them look the same therefore not teaching originality as well. After a while of seeing the same thing over and over again it gets annoying and boring, drawing attention away from the original piece. They do mothing to help the artist. If one artist were to try and get into an art school and told the administration they used bases they would thrown out and their application not accepted but their money happily taken. They would do that because they believe bases and tracing are an insult to art as many other artists do. It's one thing to see a child trace because that what a lot of young children, below the age of ten, do but to see teens and maybbe adults trace and say it's good art is an insult to the art community. We have copyright laws in place for a reason but deviantART very rarely follows through on it. If dA had the exact same filter ElfWood does this website would have 0% bases and 100% originality I only left that website because it took too long for me to upload anything. Now that I have better internet it'll probably be better to go back where this problem doesn't exist.
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To be honest, if you can't contact the original artist to ask for permission, you shouldn't be tracing their work for a base. I know you said you can't speak Japanese, but that doesn't mean their work is up for grabs to be traced. You should either find a way to translate and ask the person, or not use their work at all and stick to tracing pieces that English speaking artists have made so that you can ask them for permission PRIOR to making the base from their work. That way, you're not getting all this heat from people about stealing and whatnot.
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Even so, she's still giving credit to the original artist anyway and is taking NO credit herself. :/ That's still MUCH better than stealing, and any personal morality problems with that are either personal problems of the viewer or something that should be dealt with only between the base artist and the original artist.
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I agree that it's good that she's giving credit to the original artist. But what if the original artist didn't want a base made of their work? That's kind of the issue here, because the base artist never asked to use the work in the first place.(This seems to happen a lot, which one reason I don't think dA should even allow traced bases.) Even if she gives credit, it's not enough because permission was never given to use it.
And this would be, as you said, something that should be dealt with between the base artist and original artist, but the problem is that it has NOT been dealt with.
Think of it this way. A stranger walks into someone's house to take a bag of flour because they need it to make a cake. The stranger's friends like the cake, so the stranger says, "Thanks, but I couldn't have done it without so-and-so's flour! It's all thanks to so-and-so!" Does that make it okay, because the stranger clarified that he borrowed from someone else? No, because he took something that didn't belong to him from someone he doesn't know without even bothering to ask.
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True, but again, here we are dealing with what should be going on only between what should be just between the stranger who made the cake and the person who had the flour. If the original artist has a problem despite being credited, then they should be completely allowed to raise as much stink about it as they want, English or Japanese. If they don't, who are we to give beef to the other? :/
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Yes, they should. But from what I can tell, the original artist doesn't know, which is unfair to him/her. And you're right that if the original artist doesn't mind, then no one else should either. But the problem is that no one knows if s/he does or does not mind. I'm well aware that this is something that should be going on between the original and the base artist but obviously nothing has happened due to the language barrier or whatever else. I dunno about you, but I'd have a problem with someone tracing my work without my knowledge, and that's why so many people are making a big deal out of this -- to argue for the original artist who is probably still in the dark.
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But again, the only way you're going to resolve the issue is if you decide to get involved in their affairs and notify the original artist yourself. Then from there what happens will happen because again, that's meant to be dealt between the original and the tracer. That's the best thing you can do, because that way the original is aware and a proper decision can be made about the art. I don't know about you, but if someone traced my art but still credited me, permission or no permission, I'd be fine. In fact, I'd be honored because I consider copying to be a form of flattery. It's like, someone liked something I drew so much they wanted to use that art for themselves as well. Artists shouldn't be so competitive and vicious towards each other to the point they can't learn and recreate from each other, like how iron sharpens iron.
However, I do NOT agree with no credit being given or with claiming it is another's when it isn't. That is wrong no matter what. The Permission issue is debatable, but again, all that can be done is to contact the original artist. Slapping the other artist on the wrist and telling them to take down their art is actually really rude to the tracing artist if you're not the original creator, because you don't have the original artist's intentions at heart. They might be fine with it and it would make an annoying and careless hassle to the tracer for no reason.
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Sure, why the hell not. Just went out of my freaking way to shoot a message to the original artist on that site. If the tracer had taken about an extra two seconds to click on the link to the original's user name, they would have seen that a message option was available, so there's no reason the tracer couldn't have asked in the first place to avoid problems. If the tracer actually respected the artist, they should have either gotten permission or not used it. That's not about artists being vicious towards each other -- that's about having respect for other people's wishes. IMO, that's not too much to ask. If you consider copying to be flattering, cool. Whatever floats your boat. But not everyone feels that way, so it's safer to make sure rather than just assume it'll be okay for everyone else just because it's okay for you.
Of course you can't deny the original artist credit if you're using their work. However, asking for permission is not a debatable issue. If the original explicitly says that anyone can use/trace/copy/share their work, then that's fine. If not, you need to either get permission first or not use it at all.
And for the record, I never said anything disrespectful to the tracer nor did I tell her to take the piece down. What I said was that she should find a way to get permission before using it. Though seeing her attitude towards others who have told her that, she obviously has no intention to. And when I went to PM the original artist, I didn't see anything on their page or pics saying that they were free to use/share/trace.
Yes, you're right - the original artist still may not mind at all. But not all artists will feel that way. That's why you. need. permission. Pretty sure that's right in dA's ToS somewhere. Like, right here. [link] So basically, even if crediting/permission was 'debatable' morally, it's against dA's policies, and the tracer needs to do something about it.
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YOUR chest is screwed up. tumut
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USED IT, for a kinda refrence, its just lineart, but I'm going to color it in 
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I think people here are FAR too touchy about things that matter little. Great work, and I hope you do more
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I'm proof that is false. I draw myself, but I sometimes use bases when I'm lazy or when I can't get a pose out right the way I see it in my head. It's a good TOOL. Yes, some people are terrible using them but it helps them learn.
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I completely disagree with ~pikira , her point was ridiculous and incorrect. Why are you in a French store if you don't speak french? You disclaimed the picture, she needs to get over herself.
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You took my analogy literally. And in all retrospect, why are you tracing a japanese picture if you cant speak japanese? Idk, not looking to argue with you. So if you respond, dont expect me to anymore.
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I see where you're coming from, but there was no harm, she did disclaim the picture.
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I agree with ~pikira ; Why was she on a Japanese website if she can't read Japanese? And in real life you can isolate yourself to a different language to learn the language a lot faster than you can in classes if you wanted a "real world" analogy. It's the same thing.
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She found the image and liked it. She didn't have to know Japanese. Some browser's will translate webpages to English.
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Because it was on a site that had anime pictures, it was English speaking there.
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That's a good point, lol.
Oh well, controversy is everywhere.
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Hey all you people, it's a base. It's not meant to be perfect, because people edit bases. That is their main purpose. I love the base. Awesome work ") Once I get an art tool on my computer I will most likely be experimenting with this one "D
Haters gon' hate :3 xD
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This is actually a really cool base. Good work on tracing it & stuff... I might try using this sometime...
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Yeeah it's kind of a grey area with these base things, but I have to agree with ~pikira on this. When I'm in doubt I try to consider it from the other point of view, and if I saw my work used without my knowledge I'd feel pretty cheated. The language barrier just makes it worse; even if the artist found this it would look like you just copied the idea into base-form and didn't credit at all.
I know it wasn't your intention and I hope I don't sound rude. Taking it down would be silly as it's already made the front page so the damage has been done. Maybe just consider it in the future.
Have a good evening, congratulations on a popular piece.
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I have considered it. This is probably going to be one of my last trace bases in which I would make it not being able to contact the original artist. I wish I could, I'm trying my best, but I digress.
But thanks anyway.
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Don't feel discouraged, I've seen you around a few times and you seem to accept criticism a lot better than most base artists. A lot of the ones I've seen just flip a shit about being "attacked" for being asked about crediting their sources. At least you're trying, that goes a long way with most people.
You do a good job. Keep at it
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of that, and they aren't even good bases sometimes O.o Oh well, nothing I can do about it. I'll still try and make bases, and I'm trying to reference instead of trace, but either way, there's going to be controversy.
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Just because you cant contact an artist, doesn't make it okay to reference their picture. If I was in a french furniture store, does it make it okay to steal because I cant speak french? Besides, that artist has a pixiv and their name is in the url for you're link to the original picture. People can be messaged on pixiv, even if you use google translate and its not that great, it would still get the point across. Many artists will actually even let you. and if you aren't willing to go through the effort to do that, that doesnt make it okay to trace the picture.
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I...can't find the person on pixiv, and I didn't know I could message them on there.
Yeah, but I'm not stealing, I making it into something different for other people to use.
And sometimes, google translate doesn't get the point across. In one video I watched on YouTube, the dialogue was translated into Japanese with google translate, then translated back to English. For example "SHUT UP!"(original) was made into "NO WHY?!" "We're going to watch Veggie Tales" was made into "The story is a vegetarian!" See what I mean?
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well, that doesn't make it okay to use the picture. You're ignoring the fact that just because you cant contact the person, doesn't make it okay. Making it "different" for other people to use, doesnt make it any less yours. Im done talking now.
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You are technically stealing it. Just because it's not physically in your hand doesn't mean it's okay. Just because you're changing it doesn't mean you're not stealing it. If we're still using the furniture store analogy, that's like stealing a nice wooden chair, painting it a different colour, and sanding the armrests into a slightly different shape and claiming that it's not stealing because you made it into something different. The fact is, you're using copyrighted material, tracing over it, and posting it on a website which automatically copyrights the material to you. See that area next to the category that says ©2012 ~HeartedPixels? That means it's copyrighted to you.
In the end, it doesn't matter that you said that you take no credit for the original artwork. It's still not allowed unless you get permission. So you should make an effort to ask permission before posting these things. go to google translate right now and try and write out a message. If you want to make sure you're writing the right thing, copy all japanese that was translated, change the translation to "japanese to english," and read what comes out. If it's not right, try phrasing it differently.
Sorry if that last section was a bit hard to understand, haha. I'm not telling you all this because I hate bases or because I hate you or something. I don't mind if someone makes the decision to use a base, even if I disagree with that decision. I'm just telling you this out of respect for the original artist. This entire "traced bases" category is misleading to everyone who uses it, and is teaching aspiring artists that it's okay to trace over copyrighted material.
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I'm not stealing the art, I made a copy of it, and I'm not claiming it as my own.
I. Can't. Find. The. Freaking. Artist. I'm trying the best I can to find him/her.
Either way, I don't think we're going to change each other's minds. Sorry if I seem ignorant, sorry if you don't agree with my morals, but
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You... Ignored everything I said about DeviantArt automatically copyrighting it to you... Please don't ignore my points. I am merely trying to explain. But again, the fact that DA copyrights the material to you discounts the fact that you aren't claiming it as your own, because you are, if only because of that copyright. Spoiler alert; Copying it is stealing it. When I say stealing it, I don't mean only art theft (the act of claiming the original piece as your own), I mean any act of art plagiarism, including tracing. I apologize if I was unclear. We have it pounded into our brains that plagiarism of literature is wrong in school, so let's use that as an example. Literary plagiarism is, in the words of ~datenshikurai , "taking the original ideas in another's work and reproducing it with the intent of mimicking the original. This isn't just "tracing"--or, in the literary sense, copying word-for-word another's work, even when wording is rearranged or changed slightly." In other words, just because you copy out a piece of copyrighted literature and change a few words, does not make it any less of a plagiarized piece. That is silliness. It's just same with art. Just because you copy the entire composition of the works and changing the characters doesn't discount it as plagiarism.
Can't find the artist? This wouldn't be a problem if you'd asked for permission before posting it. It's been said already, but just because you can't find the artists doesn't give you an excuse.
I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, I am just trying to explain the law to you. This is not a question of morality. It's a question of legality.
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the name is in the tags, no the url. sorry
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I usually don't comment on bases since they're usually not on the front page, but this one is, so I might as well.
I do like the poses... the line art is a little chunky though. I think you should take your time more and make it smoother/curvier.
The hands in particular look like you used a straight line tool to create. That's not attractive! D: The hand of the girl on the very far right is incorrect... Even when you're tracing a base, you can still use references. : D If you practice your anatomy without a base, you'll become better at this too.
Anyway.. basically, I recommend practicing free handing your bases and using a reference on things you know don't look right. Good luck with your future bases.
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Thanks for the critique, I'll try to pay attention to curvy-ness in hands.
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*sees tiltle* omfg P!ATD? clicks on picture favorites right away
But all silliness aside i didnt just favourite it for P!ATD it is really nice i could never make this
P.S. the feet dont suck
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