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That lovely moment after Harry snooped in Snape's pensieve.I can just picture Harry sitting little Al down and telling him of the great times he had with Snape.
"And there was this one time that Snape shook me violently then threw things at my face and screamed- I had just seen one of the most shattering moments of my life, seeing my parents in a horrible way. Snape was really sympathetic and acted like a real adult about it."
Snape is such a lovely person- I don't know why Lily went for James when there was Snape around. Sure, he was a
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lol! Since lot's of people have something to say when their Snape gets negative attention, here is my answer to you.
He's not a nice man.
He just isn't.
He did some brave things- but I will never think of him as a 'nice' person. He made his choices, and his choices were to be incredibly cruel to CHILDREN (like Harry, Ron, Hermione and Neville.)
I admire what all he did in the series, of course, because they were wild feats of bravery, and I just LOVED that whole 'look at me' thing. It was so sad and iconic!
Seeing his love for Lily was very moving.
HE'S STILL A JERK, though. He called Lily the Wizarding Equivalent of the n-word in front of everyone. He was too weak to reject the Deatheaters when he was younger- and that's when he had his chance with Lily. He squandered it until it was too late.
Why WOULD Lily choose him at the time? I certainly wouldn't.
James, for all his faults, grew OUT of his cruelty according to everyone. Yeah, he and Snape still occasionally did things to eachother, but to me there's a distinction in that James was a cocky teenage boy when he did his cruel things and obviously changed or Lily would not have been involved with him.
Snape, upon growing up, continued to be a cruel immature person (in fact he looks like he got worse)- and yet people look over that and jut think of him as a hero. Heroes can be jerks, guys.
Snape is no saint. He is an interesting hero BECAUSE he's not a nice person.
Some people will say: 'but-but Snape was awesome! How could you say such ironic things about him?!?!?!?!?!'
Lol. Get out the books and read some Snape scenes in book 1- remember how cruel he was to Harry (an 11 yr old orphan). Remember how cruel he was to Neville (and he KNEW what sort of life Nev was leading.) Remember how he mocked Hermione's appearance in book 4? ('I see no difference.'
and remember how he was always making Ron do things for that brat Malfoy in book 3?He is a petty man, who I don't think was ever mature enough or nice enough for Lily to want to have a relationship with.
Snape was a Hero. Snape was a total jerk. TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.
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Severus is an asshole. Where is the news?
But Dumbledore was the greater asshole who say "Severus teach the Boy you Hate." Its clear that this must fail.
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Yh. I mean Snape is not nice he is really immature but I couldn't say he's evil. About standing up to the Death Eaters, same as Pettigrew, a very human flaw. But yh a really pissy hero in my eyes.
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I will argue to my dying day against all the Snape fans out there. Β He is an interesting character, yes. Β However he is a terrible, terrible person and worse teacher. Β A few redeeming acts do not make up for a lifetime of choices. Β Also, his "love" for Lily was just creepy. Β It's not love, it's obsession.
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"and yet people look over that and jut think of him as a hero. Heroes can be jerks, guys."
Yep, that's exactly what I'm thinking of James Potter. Everybody overlook his attitude because he died on the right side of the war. *troll* BWAHAHAHAHA
Nice expression with the drawing
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And what of Lilly? She helped to shape the jerk, the murderer Snape became by turning her back on him all to run to James.
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though i am also pissed with her for leaving him, she had a point. rowling made it clear, i think, that lilly DID try to keep up her friendship with hi, but he wasn't courageous enough to make a final decision (her or his jerk friends), so she made it for him. i sort of hate her for it, but honestly, it was probably the wise choice. he wouldn't have changed for the better if she had stayed, i am fairly sure. it was only the shock of being responsible for her death that made him rethink.
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I agree that it most likely was the safest response.
But you are right that Snape was determind to go to the dark side of wizardry. I just wonder if he had ever thought of anything else?
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i think that's the problem with people- some of them only start to think of alternatives when they run out of options or are somehow "shocked" into a different view of the world. but i do believe that dumbledore might have helped a bit if he had not been so "forgiving" of the marauders misdeeds and ignorant of the consequences.
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Agreed! Lily would have been super pissed with Snape if she knew how he treated Harry just because he was James' son.
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haha he was always a greasy old bastard wasnt he? im not sure why i still like him, but im one of those snape fan girls who recognises him for what he is- and you are most defenately right.
he just isnt the nicest guy.
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Remember how he went absolutely nuts when he found Sirius in the Shrieking Shack and then went into a screaming raging fit because he didn't get to watch the Dementors eat Sirius' soul? I sure remember that. He also supplied Voldemort with the first half of the prophecy and that led to Lily's death. The woman he loved. Makes me wonder what he'd do to someone he hates if he thought he could get away with it. Wait. I do know. He'd feed their souls to dementors, a fate worse than death.
Such a nice man, yeah?
Calling Snape "nice" is a delusion that confounds me every time I see it. It's so far removed from reality it isn't even funny.
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LOL I love How you did Harry's "Oh Shi-" face. XD
Now I'm not trying to defend Snape or make excuses for the terrible things he did and said...After all he was borderline abusive to Harry and Neville.
But based on what JK Rowling said about Lily and how she had a gift at seeing the good in people, and based on your observation that Lily would NEVER have married James if he hadn't let some of the air out of his head, Can't we also assume that Lily wouldn't have been best friends with someone who was excessively cruel and evil? Or even a jerk? Maybe he wasn't so bad when he was a kid...Its almost like James and Severus followed opposite paths. James grew OUT of his cruelty while Severus grew IN to it.
I really wish Rowling would do a separate story on Snape, I would love too see him through a different perspective other than just Harry's. After all there were quite a few people who thought highly of Snape (who weren't evil). I think Harry and Neville brought out the worst in him because of his past associations to bad experiences, and thats the main side we got to read about in the books.
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O.O
that was actaully.. really cool. i agree with everything you said there. thas just...
i really have nothing to say, you covered it all
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Ok, this picture is awesome, but your words? I agree with every single one. This is what I'm always saying to the Snily shippers!
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Finally, someone who sees Snape clearly! People act like her was either a flawless hero or a down right bad guy, but he was a bit of both. He was complex. That's what makes Snape the character that he is!
Great picture btw
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I think all his fans love him so much (like me, but I know he was a git), because he is HUMAN. He grew up in a problematic household, Merlin only knows what his father did to his mother and Severus himself (beatings, etc.) and even if he did make lots of mistakes, he did do the right thing at the end. He did things that NO ONE would have dared to do, and all because he loved Lily, and wanted to in some way, try and pay back for what he did. Also his fans love him because he is not a perfect, well-to-do, never-breaks-a-plate kind of guy like a lot of others...he makes mistakes and that makes him more human. Now for the child-cruelty thing, I agree, but what do you expect from a person that was neglected (by his very own parents), bullied by James (who even if he was a good man was arrogant and a BULLY), and probably even beat up at home?
Severus suffered a lot, and Lily was the ONLY person who believed in him, loved him, and had a warm relationship with him. The day James and Co. decided to pull that horrible "prank" on him, Severus ended up humiliated, and everyone at school thought it was awesome...when Lily came, he was so tired of the constant bullying that Lily was unfortunately the one that got the full blast of it when Severus said the M-word to her.
When he became a Death Eater, Severus wanted to get a share of the power Voldemort was having and wanted to be part of something bigger than others would have thought of him. He was very much like Barty Crouch Jr., who wanted to please Voldemort in order to gain his trust and maybe even have the father he never had.
Severus became cold and calculating later in life because that was his way of protecting himself from being hurt again and intimidating others in order to avoid being the victim again, and treated the children the way he did because he did not know any better.
In the end he died being a victim of circumstances, just like Voldemort, Barty Crouch Jr., and even Harry...
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Yes,by that I love him because he is very complex. For me is an antihero.
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I think Al should be happy that he's Al and not Sev. >.<
What you say is true. To be sure, Snape was a git in many ways. He did do heroic, and on the rare occasion, even decent things. But he just had to make a shitload of stupid, stupid mistakes before that. It is true that it makes him an interesting character, it does give him that sort of realistic dimension that we need more of in characters these days.
But, yes, it is royally irritating to see fans who worship the ground he walks on and believe that James should suffer for being a moron at age 15. One of the hugest running themes in Potter is the choices people make. That is the determining factor in a lot of situations presented throughout the series. Snape made some pretty bad choices throughout his life, even while having Lily as a sort of moral guide. It was his fault that she died, technically, so the fact that he got a spine and decided to help protect her son is indicative of his guilt and acceptance of the fact.
Had he not been such a jerkass, things may have been much different for him... 
Hmm...on Neville. I read a theory somewhere that the reason Snape hates the poor boy so much is because the prophecy could've meant him instead of Harry, and if it had been Neville, Lily might have lived... It is rather disturbing and irrational, but I suppose it makes some sort of sense. It does not make it right by any sort of means, of course.
*sigh* I wanna close this off on a not-so-serious note. Therefore:
Snape. Snape. Severus Snape. Dumbledore!
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WOW. REALLY WELL SAID IN THE DESCRIPTION! I've been trying to tell people that forever but never found the right words that hit me like that...you're just great!
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haha wow there are a lot of opinions on here! i think i personally agree with the artist, i think snape and james were both jerks; james picked mercilessly on a poor kid who had no self-confidence and was abused at home, which was horrible and inexcusable. i'll never understand why dumbledore made him head boy. but snape... he joined the death eaters, knowing that he was supporting the MURDER of innocent people... people like lily! he continued to be a member - presumably actively, so he must have done some torturing and murdering too - and even when he switched over to the good side, it was only for lily and he pretty much always said he wouldn't have given a crap about harry's - or anyone's - welfare if voldy hadn't killed lily. dumbledore hit the nail on the head when he said that snapes love for lily was the best part of him, because it's all that stopped him from being one of the bad guys. yet with james, his victimisation of snape was the worst part of him and apart from that he was a brilliant guy; he supported remus, which a lot of people wouldnt have, he was obviously a good husband and father and remember that he 'thrice defied' voldy? he was actively fighting for the good side. james is just a better character in terms of morals and, you know, goodness. of COURSE lily picked him. snape is effed up in the head. that said, he has his moments of heroism and he does some great stuff and i love and empathise with him as a character, but in real life i probably wouldn't like him much. ok, rant over
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I totally agree with you on Snape! Everyone is such a Snape lover, I'm so glad I'm not alone! Ever since PoA I basically thought he was evil. He got some redemption with me after DH, but I'll never think he deserved Lily, and he'll never be a likeable character for me.
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I never understood (well I understand a little but to me it's not right/not fair) that he picked on Harry (who was basically like him, neglected, abused) and backed Draco, who is the cocky bastard that James was back in the day.
Also when I say "likeable" I do like his character (I also love to draw him) but whenever I read the book, I, like Harry, always jumped to him being the perpetrator first just because I know he is a nasty jerk-face.
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snape is an anti hero. i loved how she played his character bcuz it really went with the whole theme of how love makes ppl do these things and such. personally, i thought snape did have some good qualities and he wasnt nice but i sort of get why he hates harry since harry is the offspring of the woman he loved and man he hated (not that its right...but it'd be hard not to...) the seventh book was so touching with this one sided love story!!!!
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I so agree. Of course Snape was a hero, BUT. James was a bully as KID, and grew up, Snape was a bully as an ADULT
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AMEN TO THAT.
the picture is great nonetheless, and I especially love Harry's face. you are an excellent artist
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Although I love the drawing, I personally think that you do not understand the complex character of Snape. You are just seeing black and white (ie: "he was a jerk but he was brave") how does that sum up anybody?! If you actually looked at his character more in detail you would actually find that In the Prince's tale he was a very good friend to Lily and reassured her that being a Which was nothing strange and actually encouraged her to embrace her magical ability. Furthermore Sirius and James were horrible to Snape as soon as he set foot on the hogwarts express, they didn't know him then and they were simply judging him and bullying him because of "the way he looked". So your excuse of James being a "cocky 15years old" is invalid because obviously he was mean to Snape at the age of 11. Yes, Snape did call Lily a mudblood which is totally unacceptable, but Snape was feeling extremely vulnerable at that point and, being a 15 year old boy, wanted to show he could defend himself by his own. Yes, he should not have done it but if you are so willing to accept that James' years of bulling was just a "cocky stage" he was going through, how come you are not willing to accept that what Snape said was a big mistake that he obviously regretted immensely? After that moment I think the character of Snape changed completed, now that he didn't have Lily I think he felt the need to "belong" and therefore joined the deatheathers. Another decision that he regretted quite alot. As for his behaviour towards the "children", i'd like to say that here again you are seeing black and white. Snape was by that time a wartorn, heartbroken man, you just felt like being nice was unnecessary. I still see Snape as the weird little boy who was adorable to lily way before they went to hogwarts. In my opinion that is the real Snape and i think why is character seems so mean by the end is not down to him as a person but through what he has been through, what he has lost, his regrets and the people that made him like that and believe it or not, if it wasn't for James Potter, Snape would have have been a much nicer character. I am in no way trying to change your opinion of him i am just showing you how much deeper of a character he is.
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I never thought he was not a deep character. I just don't think his emotions justify his actions.
He wasn't just mean in one moment to Lily and saying Mudblood, he was in a gang of people who would like to see her, and her kind, exterminated. He was practicing dark magic. He made bad choices to associate with muggle-haters long before the final incident between him and Lily.
James was a total jerk- but to me it's something you see at every school- cocky handsome jocks. Snape was part of something much darker and worse. He was taking place in all sorts of behavior that went beyond being just a jerk.
And Snape treated children, not 'children', horribly. There is no excuse in my book for that. So what if he had a crummy life? Get over it.
I feel Snape is idealized as nothing but noble and wonderful- but alas, he made a few choices that weren't his fault- he is not responsible for his behavior because he had a bad childhood, because he was bullied, because he was heartbroken, because he had regrets etc. etc.
I get why people are intrigued by Snape. He's an interesting layered character. I see why they empathize with him, and like his character. I love his scenes in the books.
He's still an jerk. I feel sad for his character, and think he has lots of moving and interesting moments. I never implied he isn't deep.
His depth is what makes him interesting.
He's still an jerk.
Sure there are reasons that he is an jerk, but he's an jerk nonetheless.
I think people just love characters so much, they idealize them. I think you idealize him quite a lot.
Do I condemn him? Not completely. He's just an jerk, who made his jerky bed, and then had to lie in it.
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woah *bleep* tht part kinda scared me in the book hahahaha nice job btw
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You are totally right. But i still love him.
He is quite dark thats why that little light in him shine so bright.
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Even though you posted this comment in June, I just wanted to say that that phrase suddenly made me understand why people like Snape so much "He is dark thats why the little light in him shines so brightly." Honestly I'm just saying it's fantastic
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Why thanks! And thanks for the grammar correction too.
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You're welcome 
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Holy Crap.... That is just an AWESOME drawing, i was flipping through Pictures/drawing, and There it was...
nearly fell out of my chair
the Expression on Snape's face is amazing, and Scary, and Harry looks afraid for his life,
Awesome Artwork
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Ok, I LOVE this drawing, but one of the only reasons I favorited was 'cause of your rant about Snape. It's totally true and amazing.
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Thank you! I completely agree about Snape. People definitely idolize him way too much. I watched an interview where JKR was all, "Um, he's not a good guy...he's a terrible person even though he's very brave."
Anyway. Great picture. You're very good with expressions!
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OH THANK MERLIN!!! I am not the only one in the world who thinks this too!!!! Snape was a total douche and despite the cockyness James was cool and grew out of his immaturity. We don't see James picking on orphans because of their parentage now do we?!
After that rant - LOVE the expressions! especially on Harry's face!
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Agreed. He's a total dick.
But for some reason we love him anyways.
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I like Snape's rage and Harry's shock. Good facial expressions.
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I just realized these points have been made many times in the comments, in a much more succinct way 
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU for that tirade, because it summed everything up perfectly! I don't get it when people are all like...oh, poor Sev, poor guy, such a good person, James was such an asshole, blah blah blah...how does everyone forget that he wouldn't have minded if Lily's husband and child had died, as long as it meant he could have her?? That he was attracted to such horrible, dark things, and thought he could win Lily over through power, proof that he never understood her goodness?...that whole smile when Mrs. Norris was petrified, etc. etc. The fact that he was always prejudiced against Remus JUST because he was a werewolf? "Don't ask me how a werewolf's mind works..."
Yes, his love (bordering on obsession) for Lily was touching, and he saved himself slightly by his loyalty, and in that way, he deserves a little sympathy, but not the whole beat about how he was an angel.
And James? The guy learned to be an Animagus so he could keep company to his werewolf friend. Lily Evans loved him so much that her patronus matched him. Would she have loved a total jerk? He's Harry Potter's dad, and I doubt his looks were all he passed to Harry. The fact that one 15-year-old hormonal episode against someone who he knew to be a dark arts master, the kind who would join Moldyshorts, makes everyone forget about all of the rest of the clearly amazing signs about James never ceases to amaze me.
Yeah, I'm done. Hehe. Love the picture though...poor Harry.
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So the fact Snape would join Voldemort later makes bullying him earlier justified?
Riight...
Plus DH showed James and company were being punks to him at age 11, on the train. Prior to James deflating his head, he was a little Draco Malfoy.
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So true!! I've always thought of James as a Gryffindor version of Draco Malfoy
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I didn't say he was justified in bullying him, and I'm sorry it came across that way. He wasn't justified for that incident, and it was wrong. My tirade was more about the fact that people use that reason to vilify the entire character. He was wrong to do it, but it doesn't make him a horrible person. Everyone has horrible moments. My problem with Snape (and I'm not as angry as I was in September, because that comment was posted after reading a string of really irrational James-hate posts, so if it offends you, I apologize), is everything I mentioned above. Basically, if I had a kid, I would not want someone who used to be my best friend when I was a kid to hate him and make his life miserable at 11, just because I had him with someone else and he happened to be in love with me. I would be forever grateful and in debt if he sacrificed himself to save the child, but I would not love that he only did that for me, and if it weren't for that circumstance, he would hate the kid.
And I don't think taking the mickey out of someone for wanting to be in Slytherin is equivalent to sauntering around with two bodyguard-sized people who I don't really think of as friends and then trying to sic them on to the people I don't like and trying to steal their stuff. I've never bought into the Draco Malfoy argument.
But anyway, I would love to hear your take on the thing, so if you want to, let me know what you think, yeah? And if the artist of this post minds (I'm sorry for the spam!!), feel free to post a comment on my page, if you want to go into this. If not, no problem.
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relle great work!! thiss is the snape i like to see lol....but i have to say, ur judgments are a bit harsh....most of the examples u use of snape being against harry and children etc. are all examples of the post-lily's-death snape, not a deranged lunatic. the guy was very sensible and even pretty guarded at times...but i mean he lost the love of his life. and now that harry's @ hogwarts, he has to b reminded of lily every time he looks at the kids eyes? and also reminded of the guy he hated, the guy who "stole" her away from him (remember, they were childhood friends and JK wrote that there was a "greed" in snapes eyes for her, even then), when he looked at harry's untidy hair, face, or even glasses (<-- sounds lame but tru!) just some different perspectives
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What about his cruelty towards Neville? Hermione? Ron?
I'm sorry, but 'omg he is reminded' just doesn't fly for me. He is an ADULT. They are his responsibility as TEACHER to not treat like this. They are CHILDREN. No matter what your personal angst is, it is horrid how he treated them, immature, selfish, and there isn't an excuse that makes it ok for someone to do that. It's unprofessional, mean, and that makes him a jerk. If you had a child treated like that, or if you were the child, would you be so cool about the child/yourself being treated so cruelly. He was openly mocking children, calling them names, refusing to help them in class, treating them unfairly- I doubt you'd be forgiving of such behavior in a real person. I treat characters in a book like real people- and if he was real, I'd give him a piece of my mind. He did some heroic things, and had some tragedy- but he still was atrocious to CHILDREN. I take that very seriously.
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Guh, it's all well ad good to read about in the books, or to have a seriously toned down version in the movies, but having Snape bullying you (especially if you're 11) would be terribly frightening in the real world.
I think you captured this perfectly. Well done!
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this is AMAZINGLY drawn. I absolutely love this picture =] awesome job!!!
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