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That lovely moment after Harry snooped in Snape's pensieve.I can just picture Harry sitting little Al down and telling him of the great times he had with Snape.
"And there was this one time that Snape shook me violently then threw things at my face and screamed- I had just seen one of the most shattering moments of my life, seeing my parents in a horrible way. Snape was really sympathetic and acted like a real adult about it."
Snape is such a lovely person- I don't know why Lily went for James when there was Snape around. Sure, he was a
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lol! Since lot's of people have something to say when their Snape gets negative attention, here is my answer to you.
He's not a nice man.
He just isn't.
He did some brave things- but I will never think of him as a 'nice' person. He made his choices, and his choices were to be incredibly cruel to CHILDREN (like Harry, Ron, Hermione and Neville.)
I admire what all he did in the series, of course, because they were wild feats of bravery, and I just LOVED that whole 'look at me' thing. It was so sad and iconic!
Seeing his love for Lily was very moving.
HE'S STILL A JERK, though. He called Lily the Wizarding Equivalent of the n-word in front of everyone. He was too weak to reject the Deatheaters when he was younger- and that's when he had his chance with Lily. He squandered it until it was too late.
Why WOULD Lily choose him at the time? I certainly wouldn't.
James, for all his faults, grew OUT of his cruelty according to everyone. Yeah, he and Snape still occasionally did things to eachother, but to me there's a distinction in that James was a cocky teenage boy when he did his cruel things and obviously changed or Lily would not have been involved with him.
Snape, upon growing up, continued to be a cruel immature person (in fact he looks like he got worse)- and yet people look over that and jut think of him as a hero. Heroes can be jerks, guys.
Snape is no saint. He is an interesting hero BECAUSE he's not a nice person.
Some people will say: 'but-but Snape was awesome! How could you say such ironic things about him?!?!?!?!?!'
Lol. Get out the books and read some Snape scenes in book 1- remember how cruel he was to Harry (an 11 yr old orphan). Remember how cruel he was to Neville (and he KNEW what sort of life Nev was leading.) Remember how he mocked Hermione's appearance in book 4? ('I see no difference.'
and remember how he was always making Ron do things for that brat Malfoy in book 3?He is a petty man, who I don't think was ever mature enough or nice enough for Lily to want to have a relationship with.
Snape was a Hero. Snape was a total jerk. TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.
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haha your comments are so true! I love Snape but it's so annoying when people forget how much of a jerk he is! Though I think he could be better person after some therapy or something XD
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I agree, Snape needed therapy and probably some anti-depressants. He was probably such a jerk partly because he was depressed (depression can show as irritability and general unpleasantness, especially in men.) Actually,Β most of the characters needed therapy especially Harry during the end of his 4th/5th year, he witnessed the murder of a classmate, a dark psychotic wizard come back to life and torture and try to control his mind and yet no one did anythingΒ about it; he was showing signs of depression and PTSD all over the place, poor guy. Unfortunately wizards apparently don't have therapy or have any knowledge of psychology so no one gets any help, which is probably why there are so many screwed up wizards/witches running around.
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i completely agre. snape was a good guy and did some great stuff, but he was still such a jerkface! this is excellent,LOVE harry's expression!
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He was a jerk, I agree. But on one hand, he had to act that way. He was under cover. He was a Death Eater and Head of Slytherin House? What do you expect? Rainbows and puppies?
An 11 year old orphan, Harry? And Neville? WHY would Snape feel bad for him if he went through WORSE things? He had a terrible childhood. He had a terrible entire LIFE. Harry was famous, had friends, had love, had his parent's love and his friend's love. Snape had no one. His parents were cruel and careless and he was alone because of the bullying he received from James and Sirius (who tried to kill him) in school.
How would YOU turn out if your life was like that? I agree. He was a JERK and a complete BASTARD sometimes, but really, now. xD There was a reason why he turned out that way. James had great parents, a great life, friends, looks, of course he would grow up to be cocky but he had no reason to bully someone who had nothing of what he had.
We don't know enough about Snape OR James to say such things without an open mind. xD They're characters. We know what we read, and not a bit more. Lily and Snape got along very well. Remember when they would talk? They became very good friends. Until they went to Hogwarts and Snape was sorted into Slytherin and Lily was Gryffindor and met James and the Marauders. That's when the problems started. They grew apart and he loved her and she left him and that was just too much for him, I guess. His only friend? It's sad. It really is. He was still a jerk, like I said, I agree, but you can't say that he was like that because he chose to. Maybe his heart or whatever wasn't strong enough to deal with the things he went through and hence developed a very strong and bitter defense mechanism: insults. Wow. That was long. o_O Sorry. Uhhh. I really like this work of yours, anyway. Hehe. I like their robes and Harry's expression.
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Defense against Neville? 11 year olds? Seriously- I don't care how bad a person's childhood is- no reason to be a jerk to defenseless students- Neville never did a THING to Snape. Harry didn't act out at him either, really. He was a good kid.
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They were both good kids. I never said Snape had any defense to be a jerk. Harry always did suspect Snape, though. In the first movie/book when he looked at him for the first time, remember? And ever since then Harry was a bit off-ish towards Snape which only grew with Snape's own attitude. But still. I mean, they were just kids, but I guess I'd be bitter if I were Snape too but maybe I wouldn't be that cruel. It would have been extremely difficult for him to look at Harry everyday but he didn't have to act so cruel. That's the difficult thing about Snape's character. He's so complex. He's both good and bad. He's in the middle. ;D I just find him so interesting because of both him evil side and cruelty and his heroism and need and want for redemption.
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snape is scary but has lovely robes.
isn't sirius worse than james, like he didn't grow up? i get upset when he called harry james
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I think the calling Harry James thing is only in the movies, but in the books, Molly accuses Sirius of acting like Harry is James, while I think Hermione says Sirius is encouraging them to make trouble for Umbridge because that's what he'd do if he were stilla s tudent.
BTW, I like your comments on the shoelaces scene. LOL.
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very nice hit with the demented face of Severus. Me liky...
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Okay, i love all your work but i had to comment this.
YOUR OPINION OF SNAPE IS PERFECT.
Literally, it is the exact same thing that i think and that everyone gets on my case for thinking.
Yes, he was a hero and blah blah blah.
Im not taking away from that and i also think he added depth to the story and was an interesting character.
He was also an immature prick who took pleasure out of antagonizing (sp?) children and couldn't let go of a grudge to save his life.
And people are always like "no way! he totally cared about harry enough to risk his life for him!"
Newsflash people, HE HATED HARRY.
he only cared about one person (lily) and even then he didnt care enough about her to change his ways until it was too late.
The only reason he "turned good" (Which he didnt; he turned to the good side. He did not become a good person.) was to try to get back in lily's good graces even though he was the reason she died and he also made her son's life a helll of a lot harder than it needed to be.
Also, i just want to point out that yes, i totally love james because he actually grows as a person and tries to make himself better. (AND HE'S HOT! but i didn't say that...)
so in conclusion, you rock. (and so does harry potter.)
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great pic, and i totally agree with you about snape
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Very nice picture. And LOL at your comment. Something tells me Harry won't be getting too specific with his reminiscing.
I have to say, Snape's one of my two favorite characters from the series (the other being Lupin), but his being a complete bastard is part of why I love him. When he made fun of Hermione, I just bust up laughing, because what an awful thing for a teacher to do to a student, in front of other students.
But I do think he was tragic and heartbreaking, and deserved better than the crappy death he got. Yes, he made some horrible mistakes as a teenager, but he tried to make up for them, in probably the only way he knew how to. And I don't think he was likely as cruel to all the other children. I think he seems crueler primarily because of who we're seeing the story from. He hated Harry because Harry was James's son, and the physical proof that James got Lily and not him. He hated Hermione and Ron for being Harry's Remus and Sirius. And, I think, he treated Neville so horribly because if Voldemort had gone after Neville instead of Harry, Lily wouldn't have died. Not that any of those things are the kids' fault, of course, or even that they'd have changed them if they could. "Don't take it personally, Nevile. He just really wishes you'd been murdered as an infant."
Yeah, Snape's a bastard, but I love him anyway.
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I know this is crazy old, but this is possibly the best line I've ever read concerning Snape's attitude towards Neville. "Don't take it personally, Nevile. He just really wishes you'd been murdered as an infant." It's hilarious yet morbid, and spot on!
Oh, also, nice picture! Snape's rage is really great, as is Harry's total befuddlement/fear/imminent freakout. Anyway, I still dislike James, and think Snape's awesome, but they were both total jerkfaces through the majority of their characterizations. I'll leave the reasoning and debate to others. I've got my own analysis. My take on it? Like who you like, fictional characters really don't care.
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agreed word for word, you are my hero.
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This artwork had been featured in my journal, I hope you don't mind! [link]
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Oh, I like!! FAV'd. Like so much of your Snape stuff. I also really like Harry in this one, I think you got him spot on.
Oh and AGREED on the artist's comments. I freaking love Snape (a little too much, probably XD), but...
HALLELUJAH.
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Disagree with the James Potter apologia (Snape's nastiness as a teacher would merit reprimands; the Marauders' assaults would merit criminal charges), but I do like your depiction of Snape in this image.
Snape looks like he's about to have an aneurysm.
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I'm a total Snape Fangirl, but totally agree with everything you said! he's a jerk, that's why everyone loves him. because he's human, and made a bunch of mistakes. I also agree with ~only4sesshomaru, that all he needs is someone to teach him better than that, like Lily or Hermione, Or *coughs*Andromeda Tonks*coughs* srry, that was an inside joke, lol. The pic is awesome, i love it, especially their expressions!
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Amazing you can really link it to the book Excellent
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Love the piece, have slightly different opinion about things you mentioned in your comment.
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A nicely dramatic piece there, Hillary. I love Snape's expression.
It always struck me that those who viciously defend Snape are the sort of people who like getting slapped around by their significants
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Like J.D. (from Scrubs), Snape would probably be his favorite HP character because he reminds him of Dr. Cox. He'd be like, "I love Professor Snape, he's like Dr. Cox. I don't know whatΒ yourΒ problem is Harry,Β names like idiot and dunderhead are terms of endearment, it means he loves and cares about you. It's when he stops insulting and yelling you that you have to worry." (I've been watching old Scrubs episodes on Netflix, it's hilarious and J.D. is adorable.)
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This is a great piece. It really catches Harry's panic and Snape's furious anger.
And your explanation of Snape is AMAZING. Truly, I was never one of those fans who claimed to know all along that Snape was a good guy, and I had to be convinced pre-DH. The ONLY point I actually felt the major sympathy/liked him (as many people felt for him from early on) was when he was a child and friends with Lily, BEFORE he insulted her.
I have nothing to add to your description of Snape. I feel it fits JK's characterization to the T.
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I just want to say thank you for this. Personally, I like the character of Snape -but that doesn't mean I like who he is. Snape is not a nice person. Snape was a full-on Death Eater who was one of the Inner Circle before he happened to realise the one muggleborn he actually cared about was going to be exposed to very certain death.
And even then, he was completely prepared to throw her son and husband to the wolves without a second thought.
Yes, James was a jerk. He also grew up. Snape, by contrast, spent the vast majority of Harry's life punishing him for the sins of his father. His dead father. From twenty years ago.
More importantly, do any of the pro-Snapers even read the parts where he interacts with Neville? What did Neville ever do to him, other than being not brilliant and nervous?
Snape is not a nice guy. And this picture portrays that awesomely.
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Ah, Snapefen.
I agree with your explanations 100%. Great picture, love how expressive their faces and posture are.
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I still love your comments. I agree that Snape was a Hero and a very very brave man, but I defo agree with you. Lol. Great picture! And screw the people giving you shit about your comments, it's your art and your opinion, say whatever the hell you want.
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The drawing is beautiful. Love the shading.
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HAHA, Snape IS a jerk! : D And your horrified Harry and fullofrage Snape have awesome expressions 
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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. I first read Harry Potter in the age of 8 and I actually was afraid of Snape. He used to freak me out! Then I grew up and got to like him because he was INTERESTING, while NOT NICE.
Nice pic, btw. It reminds me of good old Snape before people made him a saint. He's creepy here, the way I pictured him when I was younger
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wow i did that too!
i read the first book when i was almost 8 and used to think he was a super-villan, almost as bad as Voldie!
we learn that he does have a heart somewhere, neatly kept in a jar in his refrigerator, but he was still a jerk.
who says it has to be black or white? even he is black (hair, eyes, robes) AND white (skin, etc..)
and isn't he simply more interesting this way?
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Exactly! I don't understand why everybody started to believe he was a saint after DH! Okay, he was in "our" side, but this doesn't mean he was not a jerk, etc. And he's definitely one of the most interesting and "whole" characters in Harry Potter, just because of this.
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are you quoting from my soul or something?
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i very much agree with u... i luv snape with all of my heart but he is a mean person... thats y he NEEDS a nice girl like lily or... *caugh* hermione *caugh* so that he can learn from them!
btw i luv this picture for sum weird reason it amuses me!
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Never heard it put better! ^___^
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Great pic! Terrific expressions
and word to your comments.
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Name calling is behond yourself. Why do it?
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Aw, thanks! 
I'm glad you like the art!
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LOVE! Perfect, what could I say? I love the contrasts and lighting and the way you captured the expressions.
I also agree with you about Snape. Yes, his childhood was awful, however, I do believe that no matter what happens to us, we are responsible for our own choices and behaviour; at some point we have to stop blaming our past for own decisions.
I do love how wonderfully complex the character of Snape is, especially in books 6/7. I think this piece really reflects the emotions of that complexity nicely. This picture is truly worth a thousand words!
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lol, the expressions are great. I love Harry's look of "Please don't kill me"; fabulous. XD (And is Snape foaming at the mouth? I can't tell.)
Omigosh: someone FINALLY gets is. Sure, Snape was a hero and did some very brave things, but he still wasn't a nice man. (lol PARADOX)
And I don't really buy the Freudian excuse. Sure, his childhood was pretty sucky, but even so, he always had a choice. Take Harry for example: ten years of his life were pretty much devoid of love, and he suffered a lot of emotional abuse (not to mention all that Voldemort stuff he had to deal with.) Or Neville, who grew up basically an orphan, with people all around him being very critical of what he did because his parents were so amazing before they were driven insane, in a rather heroic fashion, may I add; talk about pressure. And don't forget Luna, who saw her mother die right before her eyes. And yet they turned out to be very good people. (Luna was kinda loopy, but we have Xenophilius to blame *COUGH*thank*COUGH* for that.)
His past factored in who he was, yes; but he could have risen above it. It's very tragic, yet makes him rather human.
Sorry. 
Anyways: picture's amazing. XD
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I love the expressions and your comments! the expressions have wonderful details and I do agree with you about the whole Snape thing... I mean, in the end.. he did a good thing... but he wasn't the best person ever... he's a very interesting and tragic hero
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I quite agree with your opinion on Snape- don't be harsh on her guys, she's just stating her opinion..
It's always great to hear some James support, he doesn't get much, considering the army of Snape fangirls who fail to realize he was in fact a heroic jerk-off who basically only protected Harry as a last tribute to Lily.
Harry looks traumatized here- excellent, exactly how I pictured him to look. Snape looks something between an enraged bull and a rabid dog, once again, hitting the nail on the head. Love the flash of white light, very dramatic. Overall awesome, as always!
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Beautiful work! I absolutely agree with your analysis of Severus, though, he will still remain my favorite character forever! No matter how petty he may have been.
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He is a super awesome character and deserves to be people's faves! He's probably one of if not THE most interesting character in the series!
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He is super awesome. Although, I must admit prefer people who have always thought that as opposed to people who only thought that after the seventh book.
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You're fabulous at expressions, ya know!
Wonderful comments about James and Snape! Snape was a hero. But, no, he was not a nice guy. I hate when people dump on James just b/c he was a bit of a turd when he was teenager. He grew up and matured, and became the man that Lily truly loved and had a child with. So, thank you for your comments, dear, I agree with your perspective totally.
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LOL, yeah I can totally see Harry talking to Al about Snape. That would be hilarious.
I agree that Snape has his good points and bad. Like the Coin!
:nods: it's all good.
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It's so nice and unusual to see people sticking up for James. Thanks.
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Whoa, ouch. I got the irony, but still, ouch. Then again, as a Snape fan myself I suppose I should have an appreciation for cutting sarcasm.
Love the art! You're quite right, he's totally not "a mature adult" here, but that's one of the things that makes this scene so powerful and dynamic. Severus's expression is wonderful.
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