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That lovely moment after Harry snooped in Snape's pensieve.I can just picture Harry sitting little Al down and telling him of the great times he had with Snape.
"And there was this one time that Snape shook me violently then threw things at my face and screamed- I had just seen one of the most shattering moments of my life, seeing my parents in a horrible way. Snape was really sympathetic and acted like a real adult about it."
Snape is such a lovely person- I don't know why Lily went for James when there was Snape around. Sure, he was a
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lol! Since lot's of people have something to say when their Snape gets negative attention, here is my answer to you.
He's not a nice man.
He just isn't.
He did some brave things- but I will never think of him as a 'nice' person. He made his choices, and his choices were to be incredibly cruel to CHILDREN (like Harry, Ron, Hermione and Neville.)
I admire what all he did in the series, of course, because they were wild feats of bravery, and I just LOVED that whole 'look at me' thing. It was so sad and iconic!
Seeing his love for Lily was very moving.
HE'S STILL A JERK, though. He called Lily the Wizarding Equivalent of the n-word in front of everyone. He was too weak to reject the Deatheaters when he was younger- and that's when he had his chance with Lily. He squandered it until it was too late.
Why WOULD Lily choose him at the time? I certainly wouldn't.
James, for all his faults, grew OUT of his cruelty according to everyone. Yeah, he and Snape still occasionally did things to eachother, but to me there's a distinction in that James was a cocky teenage boy when he did his cruel things and obviously changed or Lily would not have been involved with him.
Snape, upon growing up, continued to be a cruel immature person (in fact he looks like he got worse)- and yet people look over that and jut think of him as a hero. Heroes can be jerks, guys.
Snape is no saint. He is an interesting hero BECAUSE he's not a nice person.
Some people will say: 'but-but Snape was awesome! How could you say such ironic things about him?!?!?!?!?!'
Lol. Get out the books and read some Snape scenes in book 1- remember how cruel he was to Harry (an 11 yr old orphan). Remember how cruel he was to Neville (and he KNEW what sort of life Nev was leading.) Remember how he mocked Hermione's appearance in book 4? ('I see no difference.'
and remember how he was always making Ron do things for that brat Malfoy in book 3?He is a petty man, who I don't think was ever mature enough or nice enough for Lily to want to have a relationship with.
Snape was a Hero. Snape was a total jerk. TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.
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I love Snape's face in your picture; his face is so full of expression and hilarious because he looks so damn mean!
And your artist's comment made me laugh a lot.
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I understand not everyone will like Snape, not at all.
but haven't YOU ever been in Snape's position in your childhood?The one who got ridiculed for what you liked and believed in, even lost your best friend and deepest crush to a very mean person.
or were you the James? The one who picked on anyone he could get his eyes on?
The fans of Snape can relate to him, so sorry if we offend you by liking him.
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totally agree with you. the reason he's a so-called "racist" is because he was treated horribly by his muggle dad just because he was a wizard. that would kinda leave a mark... plus, his powers are the only thing he has to be proud of, the rest of his life is one misery after another.
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I understand everyone says that just because he was mistreated doesn't mean he has to be angry towards everyone, but people act differently towards abuse.
Plus I bet he'd be nicer if he wasn't a death eater, I think the way he's acting is all a mask he has to have, plus if someone would see YOUR worst memory, I'm sure you'd be rather angry as well.
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i agree about the abuse... not everyone takes it with a spoon of suger. and he was abused again and again, in many different ways, those can leave ugly marks on a person's character.
he turned into a death eater 'cause he thought lily might find him cool and impressive if he actually became a real death eater, poor man.
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Yeah, only to find out she hates him for it.
I feel so bad because all he really wanted was for someone to like him >3>
Erg. . .I guess that's why I'm so fangirlish over Snarry.
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well.. i really don't like fan-made pairings, but i can see they appeal to people.
everyone wants to see their character with a happy ending, and snape.... well, he never really got the happy ending he deserved.
yeah, all he wanted was lily, and she never knew how much she meant to him. i don't have anything against her, but really, holding a lifelong grudge against a friend for a slip of the toungue is not very mature, when you think about it.
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Not at all.
But I still support Snape/Lily >3> and as long as I can make my Snape couples and not get bitched about it I'll continue to love my Snape.
then again, I loved him so much in the book but I really started obsessing when I found out Alan Rickman played him in the movies <3
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LOL yeah, rickman's awesome, did you know that j.k. handpicked him to play snape's part in the movies? he is a really talented actor, and she's an amazing writer. SUPER AWESOME COMBO!!! XD
and i do really like snape/lily pieces.. i mean, i don't really consider it as a fanfic pairing because j.k. meant for snape to fall in love with her from the beggining, so i don't mind seeing people put them together. hell, i make fanart of them all the time, i just don't have the guts to put them on here, i always think someone might steal my pics, it happened before *pissed*
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It's alright.
I personally like to do all sorts of pairings with Snape, I lied, only three xD I only really go crazy over Snape/Harry, Snape/Lily. and sometimes I like Young Snape/Young James.
I know all that .w. I'm a big fangirl of the man, I'm working on watching all his movies.
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be sure to watch inglorious bastards,if you haven't seen it, alan's work in that fic is hilarious. its ten times funnier when i imagine him as snape in that movie.
"YAXLEY! I'M GONNA CUT YOUR HEART OUT WITH A SPOON!!!!"
genius XD
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Lool
I will, I promise. <3
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lols, have fun ^^
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I will, gonna watch How to Train your Dragon first though.
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haven't heard of it; sounds good though. i'll check it out
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It's out in theaters, my icon is from that movie >w<
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oooh, animated movie with rickmans voice, this is gonna be good ^^
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No, Not with Rickman D:
DUDE THAT WOULD BE SO FUCKING COOL IF IT DID!
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aww man, quit bursting my bubble!
yes lols, anything with rickman in it would be cool.
wow, i sound like such a fangirl XD
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I am one >w> No denying that xDDD
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he he.. we should track rickman down and clone him so we have one of each of the rickmans *evil grin*
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MMMMMMMMMMMMM <3
Sounds like a plan
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I have been in his position- which is why I don't much like him. It's quite easy to give into hard circumstances and let them morph you into someone unpleasant who picks on children (Neville being a prime example), using slurs against others, joins a gang set for killing others... He's an interesting character- and I am not offended that you like him. I'm just saying, he's a bit of a jerk. So is James. They both were bullies- James when he was young- Snape when he was grown.
I like how passionate you are- but dislike how you basically said I must have been a bully of some sort because 'I don't relate to him.' You know nothing about me, except my view on a fictional character, it seems- and I don't appreciate your judging my personal character over a character from a book. I love HP, as is obvious from my large amount of HP art, but there is no reason to get personal over it. 9_9 Sheesh.
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I didn't say you were a bully, i was asking if you were ever in his position and if you were Severus or James. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
I don't normally get so personal over characters but I also don't like a character unless I relate to them and Severus is so far the one character I have the most in common.
I apologize if I offended you without meaning to.
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Haha, this is a SnapeΒ΄s personality forum
My contribution to it:
I do not consider myself to be a fanatic of the series of Harry Potter (much less the movies) because I see that it is really a novel to which it lacks many things with regard to the personality of the characters, it is, nevertheless, a good beginning to develop what can manage to be a wonderful fantasy. Having in it counts this, I believe that Snape is the most real personage of the books, he is the most human in every sense and because of it I identify more with him that with others apart from the fact that I would not have the same attitude in the same situations but still.
So I suppose that what I want to say is that I agree completely with you
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JAMES IS THE BEST CHARACTER!!!!!!!! LILY DIDNT LOVE SNAPE! SNAPE WAS EVIL BACK THEN!
It was when Lily died that he finally came to his senses!
Lily and James are the cutest couple....that's just my opinion ofcourse
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uhmm.... just wondering, have you read the HP series?
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then may i ask you why you think that "SNAPE WAS EVIL BACK THEN"?
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Well, there was a period where he was genuinely bad--he did join the Death Eaters and there's no indication he was forced.
Even though there aren't any specific crimes we can pin on him (unlike Frank and Alice with the Lestranges), being part of the organization means aiding and abetting at the very least.
(Given how he heals curse-inflicted injuries as a teacher, he could have healed injured Death Eaters and sent them back into battle. And then there's Sectumsempra.)
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Ah, I see your view.
Yeah, he did join, but he joined when the Death Eaters weren't especially evil, they were rather known a gang somewhat. They weren't against muggle-borns either back then; we know Voldie tried recruiting Lily twice. Seeing as he had a terrible home life and no real support, the thought of having something bigger to belong to must have seemed quite welcoming to him - He probably joined and then figured out he couldn't get out.
About Sectumsempra, we don't know whether he actually invented it or just copied it onto his book for reference. Harry wonders 'what the prince was thinking, copying such a spell into his book'. Also, there were no signs of editing and perfection of the spell as there were with his other self-invented ones. He probably noted it down like we note down website links or reminders onto stuff.
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I can understand why he joined and that motivation makes sense. But he still joined a terrorist organization.
Voldemort trying to recruit Lily only makes sense if he was also trying to get James--many Muggleborns are a danger (or so someone like Voldemort would think), but one Muggleborn is a pet.
And I'm not objecting to Sectumsempra--had I been in his position (bullied by the popular kids, a half-blood in a house obsessed with blood purity), I'd have no problems devising it and using it (defensively of course).
My point was that if his skill with a very useful war-spell was known, Voldemort would probably deploy him in battle or have him teach it to other Death Eaters, who would deploy it in battle. That means he's likely to have participated in terrorist attacks or helped others who did instead of say, staying back at the ranch and brewing potions.
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"Voldemort trying to recruit Lily only makes sense if he was also trying to get James"
He WAS trying to get James. He as trying to recruit both of them in the early days of the Death Eaters.
However, I do see your point about Snape's talents in spell-casting and his inventions.
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I meant that he was offering to accept Lily as essentially bait to lure James in, since the Potters were a wealthy Pureblood family and Voldemort already had the Malfoys, the Blacks, and other such families under his thumb.
After all, he probably figured James wouldn't ditch Lily, so if he wanted to get his hands on James, it might be prudent to make a tactical concession.
Think the Nazis retaining the services of people who had more Jewish ancestry than they would ordinarily tolerate because they had useful skills--Heydrich, for starters.
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I see what you mean, though I don't see Snape as truly evil. This is what I believe, concerning Snape's joining the Death Eaters:[link]
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Thanks for the link. I've read this essay before in order to defend Snape against the more extreme critics I've encountered online (one of whom insists Snape is a sociopath, despite Rowling's claim he loved Lily--sociopaths cannot love anyone) and this looks like it was updated, since it includes stuff pertained to Beetle the Bard and the postcard-prequel, which were published relatively recently.
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Welcome.
Snape isn't a sociopath, sociopaths are usually not right in the head and need professional help. Snape was perfectly sane, a little troubled, but certainly in his senses.
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I don't disagree with you. I brought up one of the most irritating anti-Snape arguments, largely because the person who made it is otherwise an "interviews are canon" stalwart.
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Oh, I see now. It's cool then, never mind.
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Ooo!! I like this a lot!! Actually...I LOVE it! This is fantastic! I love the expressions and the detail and...all of it!! Very well done!!
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Awesome rendition. I love Sev's face and the gray-scale was a great idea! ^_^
As for Sev himself, I can understand not calling him "nice", he wasn't, I agree, but frankly Lily was just as much of a jerk for holding a grudge for the rest of her freakin' life over one slip of the tongue. How obvious does Snape have to make it that he regretted saying that one word that one time for the rest of his life? The fact she never went back, never considered accepting an apology is just cruel. The only reason I'd want her to be with Severus is for his happiness, he's had it miserable enough due to his own temporary stupidity. I mean come on, he was a kid, just like James was, so neither of them should be held to what they did as high schoolers. If a friend of mine got pissed at me and called me a c*** I'd be pissed, but I'd still talk to them again after a few days. It's all silly to me. I personally sympathize with Snape too much to agree fully with you, maybe not "nice", but he didn't deserve what he got.
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frankly Lily was just as much of a jerk for holding a grudge for the rest of her freakin' life over one slip of the tongue. How obvious does Snape have to make it that he regretted saying that one word that one time for the rest of his life?
I don't believe that we're supposed to interpret it that she held a grudge over ONE slip of the tongue. It was the final straw for her.
Snape was hanging out with lots of 'racists'- was on his way to becoming a death eater- people who kill people like her and her parents and sister- you can only put up with that for so long- it's like a black girl hanging out with a white dude who is friends with KKK members, and him treating ALL black people horrible except her, and he is supposedly becoming a KKK member soon. Friendship can't last through that if he is unwilling to change his ways-
Yes, he was trapped in Slytherin, but still, if he had sucked it up and put aside his 'racism', he probably would have been with Lily instead of James- unfortunately Snape didn't find his bravery until it was too late.
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Maybe Iβm just an elitist and ignorant snob (scratch that, I am definitely an elitist snob); maybe Iβm completely misinterpreting everything about death eater ideology. But I don't see hating mudbloods as racist, I see it as elitist.
It's been a while since I've read the books, but Iβm sure itβs been said that the death eaters dislike muggleborns because they don't want wizard and muggle culture to mix further.
So to convert this to real world ideas, I replace 'wizard' with 'the noblesse' and 'muggle' with 'commoner'. It's hard to understand unless you are the noblesse. But I really, really resent the fact that good blood counts for less nowadays (though our clan still gets recognition as 'unofficial nobility'.
I advocate class. I wouldn't kill for it, because I have morals, but Voldemort was supposed to be very charismatic and persuasive, knowing what the person wants, and offering it up to them.. And if I remember correctly from the first book, at the mirror of erised when Harry had the sorcerers stone, voldemort offered to him something about seeing his parents or power (i dont remember? i could be completely wrong) and harry hesitated for a moment, like he was almost going to go along with it.
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Speaking as a person who comes from a very 'snobby family' where we have family portraits that are national treasures and a gran who claims our family can be traced all the way back to Charlemagne, I can't imagine holding the attitude today that 'blood should count.' Looking at how useless many of my family members are because they were pampered and never had to work, but now the money has run out and they can't manage to do anything... gawd. It's ridiculous how out of touch they are, and how they think they are somehow 'better' than others because of their family... It's patently ridiculous! Accomplishments and who you are as a person are much more important than what family you come from- and I'm glad that 'good blood' is becoming less and less important! The entitlement I'm seeing displayed really is mind-boggling.
To me one person's 'elitism' is another one's racism.
What you were describing is classism- but that is different from racism.
Though both have 'elitism' in common- and really BOTH were combined by JKR in her world- but I think that we see the difference in say Malfoy's disdain for Weasleys (purebloods, but poor and 'radical'
Races would be the bigger group, with classes being a smaller group within that, by my reckoning.
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Uh, that's really weird. Yeah, noblemen who are unable to hold respectable jobs have no right to act elitist. I think it's fine if they choose not to work since they don't have to, but could if necessary. Like in Malfoy's case, he's top of the class after Hermione (I think?), so it's all good, he could get a nice job.
Charlemagne, really? Impressive.
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Aaaand someone didn't really listen to the points I made.
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Snape: YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE! THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL YOU!!!
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